YTSEJAM Digest 2830
Today's Topics:
1) Roland Virtual SoundCanvas
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
2) ATTENTION MICHIGAN JAMMERS
by JE78674@ltu.edu
3) Dagger in my nose
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
4) You Not Me bullshit Copyright Lars Hellsten, Steffen etc.
by "Mark Fitchett" <mafit@msn.com>
5) Re: It sucks!
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
6) YNM
by Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
7) COMEON MARYLANDERS DAMMIT
by Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com>
8) radio friendly songs
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
9) Bombs away, and Twilight zone
by caber1@concentric.net
10) Too much to Support
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2825
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
12) Dream Theater fans ?
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
13) comments
by hagai sadot <"winkle@internet-zahav.net"@parker.inter.net.il>
14) Your right!
by Jon <budda@PioneerPlanet.infi.net>
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 19:03:17 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Roland Virtual SoundCanvas
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970806170317.0066cb94@mail.telepac.pt>
I recently downloaded from the net an excelent program called
VSC-55 Roland Virtual SoundCanvas, but duration of play is limited
in 50 seconds.
Does anyone have the complete program or some sort of crack?
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:09:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: ATTENTION MICHIGAN JAMMERS
Message-ID: <01IM4EMMR2NM934U2W@LTU.EDU>
If any Ytsejammers here in Michigan plan on attending the Fates Warning
show on the 14th at the Mosquito Club, e-mail me privately and let me
know. Let's try and arrange a Ytse-Crowd for the guys =]
Thanks,
Jeff E.
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:10:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dagger in my nose
Message-ID: <199708061810.NAA22321@enteract.com>
> Now, I don't want to single anybody out
Just say it. It's a catharsis... Chris Ptacek IS SWINE!
Don't hate me because Kevin Shirley produced me. Don't hate me because Desmond Child
wrote me. Don't love me because JOHN PETRUCCI IS GOD. Don't unsubscribe from the jam because
FUCK YOU YOU WILL DIE DIE DIE DIE Farber sucks.
Just hate me because I'm beautiful.
- Madsman
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 97 21:42:42 UT
From: "Mark Fitchett" <mafit@msn.com>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You Not Me bullshit Copyright Lars Hellsten, Steffen etc.
Message-ID: <UPMAIL06.199708061814010300@msn.com>
Well, I have to say how dissapointed I am with a few people on this list and
their stupid posts about "You Not Me". Some of the reasoning and logic used
has been quite amazing.
YNM is possibly the most radio friendly song DT have done agreed. But the
whole problem DT have suffered as regards the media (and a lot of us rightly
moan about) is that they are very hard to categorise because as has been
pointed out you cannot judge ANY of their albums by a particular song.
Examples : WDADU - Status Seeker, Afterlife - both non-progressive radio
friendly songs
I&W - Another Day, Surrounded, WFS - all non-progressive radio songs
Awake - Innocence Faded (Minus the instr. end "tagged on"), LSOAD, Lie - all
radio friendly songs
Whats the diff with YNM - the diff is its the best radio friendly song they
have written so there is more of a chance of it doing well on radio and then
SHOCK HORROR more people are exposed to DT and buy their records, more people
hear all the different sides of DT - radio, Progressive, Heavy etc. A few wont
get into it and wont listen to the CD again but many more fans will be gained
aswell. Dont we all want DT to sell loads of records? Dont we want them to be
successful? Quite rightly a lot of people on the Jam moan about the state of
chart based music and the hype that unjustly surrounds it and yet when DT
finally look like they might make inroads suddenly peoples attitudes change.
DT is not owned by you or me (!) but by five guys we all know and some people
seem devoid of this fact and become obsessive to the fact any little change is
a sell-out - "How dare they meddle with "OUR" music". It seems like some jam
members want DT to be their "Little secret" so that they can moan and bitch
how they should be bigger, well I WANT them to be bigger. That takes
compromise from both sides. Has anyone ever got a job and you then just dont
conform one bit, do it completely how you like, not listening to your
superiors? No I didnt think so, because you wouldnt have that job very long,
we all have to compromise in lots of ways in life and DT are not exempt.
What do you reckon Steffen ? perhaps Lines in the Sand should be the first
single, a nice easy to listen to track, 13 mins long, plenty of time changes -
its bound to get everyone's attention! LITS is my fav new song but it is not
the "Commercial" DT side the record company is likely to try and sell this
record on is it?
Lars : However brilliant Metropolis is (and it is) I doubt I&W would have sold
what it did if that had been the first Single/Video, do you? Lets be honest!
and sales do matter no matter what anyone says unless you are Paul McCartney
or the like and then Record Companies might give you free licence to record
what you want. Otherwise you get dropped no matter how good the material is -
ie. Kings X.
As one of the weaklings who succumbed to the Fix for 96 bootlegs I can safely
say none of the new songs remotely sound like each other yet you have certain
Bubbleheads chanting "Woe is Me, the end is nigh for DT" basing it on 4 1/2
mins of a CD which is nearly 80 minutes long. I used to hold the mistaken
belief that I was among people who were flexible in their musical beliefs,
didnt pigeon hole bands and liked what they liked because it was GOOD music
and didnt deride it because it was 5 mins long, simple and with a good chorus
(YNM) or 23 minutes long and with more time changes than British Rail (ACOS)
and didnt condemn a style of music because it didnt fit their rigid musical
beliefs (in this case DT can't make Radio friendly songs and cant be
successful because all their songs should be over 10 minutes and require the
mental capacity of Steven Hawking). Seems I was wrong.
All the new stuff I have heard is quite superb and varied as usual and I have
no doubts it will rival I&W as my all time Fav CD.
Long live Dream Theater, lets hope their time has come. I for one will be
mighty pleased when it does, they have earned it.
P.s. If that twat who called MP a liar ever comes to England I will personally
organise a lynch mob, what an ungrateful b*****d you must be. MP goes out of
his way for us and he doesnt have to. Thanks Mike.
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:27:17 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: It sucks!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970806142717.0099fa90@pophost.fore.com>
>coupla thoughts.....I thought Desmond Child WAS in Bon Jovi? lessee, Jon
>bon jovi, Tico Torres (i think that's his name), richie sambora....forget
>the last two, but I thought one was Child.....
Nope. Desmond Child was definitely NOT in Bon Jovi. The members of Bon
Jovi, were JBJ, Richie Sambora, Tico Torres, Dave Bryan, Alec John Such.
What I have noticed is that nobody mentioned that Desmond Child has
written/co-written some of Kiss' biggest tunes in the 80's.
KAI
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:39:04 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YNM
Message-ID: <33E8C4C8.1E321C6E@shaw.wave.ca>
> I can totally hear Derek, the snare doesn't sound loud... what kind of
>
> speakers are you using? the little white ones that you got with your
> puter?
> granted, I don't have the best speakers, they are some Jensen's taken
> off
Yes, I'm playing it through the little 4-watt speakers that came with my
computer. I actually think those speakers sound pretty good. I also
took my computer back to the store and had them put Windows 95 on it,
and it brought my desktop to life! Thank god we have such high quality
products like Win95... I can't imagine a computer without it! And to
think, they use Unix operating systems on the space shuttles, but
they'ev never used Win95...geez, the government really sucks. There's
no way the sound quality would be poor on such a kick-ass system.
Anyway, these little white speakers sound so good I sold the speakers on
my stereo, and I now have my CD player hooked up to my 4-watt computer
speakers! Everything just sounds so much better now. When I turn the
volume and bass up real loud, I can't feel it shaking the floor
anymore. A couple of times that scared the shit outta me... I thought
it was a fucking earthquake!
> Beavis & Butthead. At long last another classic goes the way of Karen
> Duffy, Remote Control, Aeon Flux, and Street Party. *sigh*
>
I'm sorry to say, but B&B sucked! That show was trash compared to Ren &
Stimpy.
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:54:37 -0400
From: Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: COMEON MARYLANDERS DAMMIT
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970806185437.006abd00@pop.mindspring.com>
ok, im going to post this again... i NEED to get into a progressive band,
playing guitar or keys, i dont care which, but i need to.. before i explode.
so anyone in Maryland pleeeeeeease email me if you are in a band that could
use me, or know of a band that could use me. or i will be forced to come
knockin down your door! =]
Rocky Dean
iban@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~iban
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 15:00:50 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: radio friendly songs
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970806150050.00f1a100@pophost.fore.com>
>Examples : WDADU - Status Seeker, Afterlife - both non-progressive radio
>friendly songs
>I&W - Another Day, Surrounded, WFS - all non-progressive radio songs
>Awake - Innocence Faded (Minus the instr. end "tagged on"), LSOAD, Lie - all
>radio friendly songs
Surrounded is 6 minutes long, and primarily in 9/8 time signature - that's
hardly non-progressive radio friendly. Wait for Sleep, although a
beautiful song, I don't think is radio friendly. Of all the songs you
mention, you skip the 2 obvious ones. Pull Me Under (even though I never
would have classified it as radio friendly) received quite a bit of
airplay, and is the sole reason many of us bought I&W, and subsequently
joined this list. The other one is The Silent Man. It boggles me that
Atco/East West didn't push Another Day and The Silent Man. But I guess if
they did, we would have heard a lot of bitching about pushing the radio
friendly song...ala You Not Me. I don't get it - we all want DT to be
successful, and continue putting out albums. Would any of you have bitched
if AD or TSM crashed the top ten? Will you bitch if YNM crashes the top
ten? I certainly won't.
KAI
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 14:49:23 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bombs away, and Twilight zone
Message-ID: <33EA42AC.11B5@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
> Subject: DIE, YTSEJAMMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sometimes I wished I had a mail bomb program...
___
Okay, I forget who was talking about posers who only like radio
Metallica songs. But, I had the exact opposite happen to me. I was
reminded by that Ler interview in Guitar School. :)
Okay, I gave this tape of more obscure stuff to a guitarist in a local
band. He said he was into Jimi Henidix, and, was just getting into
Yngwie and fast guitarists. So, I started bringing up Eric Johnson,
Steve Vai, etc. He never heard of them. This puzzled me. Anyway, I made
he a tape of guitar stuff on one side and prog-metal on the other side.
When I talked to him a couple of days later. He said he got to the
fourth song, thought the singer sounded like Manson, and, quickly
stopped the tape. So, I asked him well what were the other instruments
doing. He answers with I wasn't listening for the other instruments. I
shake my head, and, think what was the fourth song. It was FW! He
thought that part2 of APSoG sounded like MM!?! I just said well what was
before it. He answers with this really long solo type song. Before Part2
I dubbed Met part1. He said he thought that song was cool. I swear I
hate it when people think Ray Alder is MM. :)
ARGH!!!
John McCabe
caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:15:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Too much to Support
Message-ID: <199708062015.PAA16260@enteract.com>
> From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
> Subject: DIE, YTSEJAMMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MOON WEASELS!!!! HE'S BACK!!! :) Joy.
> SIGNED: George Farber reencarnation (I'm ya woist nightmare)
Hey Fuckball. It's ReINcarnation. :) But that's okay. We still love you.
> I'm posting my response to this on the jam for all you newbies out
> there. Anything directed at Chris P. with fuck or asshole, will either
> be one of two things. One this person is cool and just playing around.
> And my favorite is the other. The other being Chris is going to make
> someone look like a complete fool! :) And I'll give the answer to the
> above example. One. :)
You give me far too much credit. Besides which, I'd love to meet a Ytsejammer who
would actually kick my ass in real life. I'm positive most of the jammers on this list could
pummel me (especially those over 14 years old), but I would get such a kick out of seeing
someone get THAT upset about something simple I said on the jam.
> From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
> Subject: You don't know me anymore
What a dick. Egotistical too... always talks about himself. I hear he's a sexist pig
too. That Swine!
> Yeah! Get a rope! Come one Ytsejammers! Let's get em'!
^^^
He can't type either. That should have been "on"
> Try holding down the shift key when you click on the download link with your modem.
> Just a little tip from your friend the monkeymaster.
Argh! He must be answering too many retarded ISP tech support questions, or he has
one of those "Modem Mouse" crossbreeds. That should have been when you click on the download
link with your MOUSE. What a dick.
MoneyMaster O G Nate Doggz in da house, mofukka, wiffa gat!
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 22:43:39 +0200
From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2825
Message-ID: <33E8E1FA.8018F98B@algonet.se>
> From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il
> Subject: reply to mr. mike
>
> the little and annoying mike wrote:
>
I bet you hurt him...that's BAD...
> > Omeraron wrote...
> >
> > >well hello there ytsejamers...
> > >this is your massenger from israel talking,
> > >i have few things to say to you guys so listen up:
> >
> > I'm not even going to touch this one... I might burn myself! :)
>
> well,well,well,i write something about DT that people maybe find
> intresting,
it's probably because you're not putting spaces after commas, you don't
capitalize your I's, and additionally, you're being a dick [sorry,
intellegent flaming sucks, not that I'm flaming the poor guy...]
> and a ZILLION years
apparently, you live in another dimension, which might explain some
things...
> later somebody replay on that fucking israel thing?
patience, you're giving Israel a bad name...bridges fall because of lack
of patience...
> oh mike you're good!
>
sick, sick, sick...
> anyway,does somebody else have a proplem with the mp3 of you not me?
yeah, I have a HUGE proplem with the mp3...but first, I need to find out
what is a proplem...
> please help me!! i gotta hear the damn song! i listen to the same 4
> album they do have
they have 5 albums, and a video...
> for the 11,243,456.11 times and that's getting a
> little annoying...
>
and you call yourself a fan...
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:57:36 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The ungrateful maggots Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dream Theater fans ?
Message-ID: <01BCA2BC.A03F8500@Spock.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Skadz wrote :
> No fuck you's
> No dies
>
> is this reall the ytsejam?
"I was blinded by a pair of DIE!!!'s" :-)
_____
Chris Ptacek wrote :
> Anyone ever notice that Ytsejammers seem to be the bitchiest most
> whining little ungrateful maggots ever to walk the earth?
Yup, all the time :-) With any other band/artist an .MP3 of a new
song would do wonders for the mailinglist. What do the Ytsejammers
do ? They turn the list into a fucking warzone. Makes ya real proud
to be a 'Jammer, doesn't it ? Everyone, stop yer fuckin' whinin' :P
Here's something I posted three weeks ago :
> One thing I *DO* know... When the new CD hits the stores, the shit
> is going to hit the fan... We'll get lotsa crappy posts from people
> bitching about Derek, or because the cd is too heavy or too mellow,
> not 'proggy' enough, because the artwork 'sucks', because *this* or
> *that* song is not on it, because the songs were 'better' when they
> played them live in which case we'll get lotsa 'fuck kevin shirley'
> posts, because the Ytsejammers are not mentioned in the booklet, or
> just because they feel like bitching about SOMETHING and the new CD
> is IT. Hmmm... Mebbe I'll unsub when "FII" is released and get back
> on when everything is back to 'normal' (relatively speaking). :-)
This is one of those times I wished I wasn't right :-(
Just a few random bitch-posts and bitchy responses :
Steffen Barabasch wrote :
> Subject: KEVIN SHIRLEY SUCKS!
And you loved it, didn't ya ? Betcha kept singing "Pull me Under".
> The moment you've been waiting for: The first Shirley-sucks post.
Just as I predicted.
> Why? I just heard the MP3 of "You Not Me" and it sucks.
Vacuum cleaners suck, Spice Girls suck... MP3's and songs do not.
> Maybe some of you remember or even recorded the demo version during
> one of the clinics some time ago. Listen to this "old" version again,
> then to the studio version, and hear the difference. The original
> version was a kick-ass, groovy, heavy song.
Lemme guess...
"Kevin Shirley is fuckin' TRASH. You'd put him in a trash can." ?
Arash Ashouriha wrote :
> Now I don't like MP anymore.
Awww *sniff* You seem like you need a hug.
> On the IRC Chat he said, they have only major changes on "Lines
> In The Sand". He is really a liar.
Liar, liar, pants on fire !
> P.S. Has anybody Trial Of Tears as mp3 ?
Yeah, please put it up on a webpage... We need more bitching.
Mike Blevins wrote :
> Quite simply - and I know this is only a 22khz recording, but still -
> the production SUCKS. Sounds just like every "hot" song right now.
Lemme guess... Shirley sucks and Dream Theater sold out ?
Lars Hellsten wrote :
> YNM is so bad that even if the remaining 10% was the second coming of
> 7:30-8:00 of Metropolis, the song would still suck.
Vacuum cleaners suck, Spice Girls suck... MP3's and songs do not.
Ok, you suck too Hellsten.
> And don't think it's only Grunge Theatre (Oops, did I write that? That
> should draw some flames... :)
Well, since you're expecting it. Lars, you are a goddamn motherfucking
cock sucking bastard... and you are being a dick too (as usual). :-P
> I recall a lot of whining when Queensryche released HitNF...
'Jammers like to whine. Get used to it.
> and if FII is as bad as HitNF,
Then both of them are brilliant.
> you better unsubscribe for a few weeks when it comes out.
Take your own advice and leave us the fuck alone.
(nothing personal)
> Anyway, this doesn't change the fact that this is mostly Kevin
> Shirley's fault. I'd put Kevin Shirley in a fucking Trash Can.
> The only good thing he did here was make Myung sound awesome.
Go suck a stiff cock
tail with me.
> From: Scarred1@aol.com
> Subject: subscribe
>
> subscribe
Are you sure ? I mean... are you REALLY sure ?
Sorry about the negativity...
I just thought you guys were fans too. My mistake.
Mark
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They are fuckin' TRASH. I'd put them in a trash can. FUCK YOU !!! DIE !!!
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 00:25:29 -0700
From: hagai sadot <"winkle@internet-zahav.net"@parker.inter.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: comments
Message-ID: <199708062122.AAA00427@parker.inter.net.il>
Hi there everybody!!!
to whoever said he's been to Israel and the new Dt is out in a week: NO WAY !!!
but anyway thanx for answering :-)
whoever said that MNY is just one song from FII and all of us jammers should shut up
and till' sep. 23rd, you're right! very right!
the whole digest is full of shit about one song which represents the entire cd although
it might b entierly different!
we're better off just wait and c (hear, actually).
anyway that's all...
may the schwartz b with u
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1981 17:48:09 -0800
From: Jon <budda@PioneerPlanet.infi.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Your right!
Message-ID: <15293CD9.1437@PioneerPlanet.infi.net>
Jon, Yes I did bring up your 180 thingy in my post but I forgot
that you brought it up. So yeah it wasen't directed towards your post.
It was just me bringin stuff up that these people don't get. So yeah
your cool. I've heard alot of the new stuff people have you? It all
rock's it's great. I mean Why? Why on earth can you sit here and bring
up all this crap about this little song, that is so much of a non-factor.
Have you heard the other songs? Thats my question to all you Cavemen
minus John. I'm sure if you have, it would put your worries to rest.
Forget about YNM if you hate it. Remember it if you like it. Cuz the
rest of the album is very much different. Like MP said to my ears and to
everyone I know's who Ive played the new stuff too ear's it's a mixture
of I&W and Awake. Thats what it sounds like. I would like to hear what
all these Cavemen have to say about the new songs Minus YNM? ALL YOU
PEOPLE THAT HATE YNM HAVE YOU HEARD THE OTHER NEW MUSIC? AND IF YOU HAVE
DO YOU LIKE IT? AND IF YOU DO THEN SHUT UP! IF YOU HAVEN"T HEARD IT
SHUT UP! AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT WELL THEN YOUR A CAVEMAN! Can someone
else here agree with what I say. Who ever has heard the other stuff come
out and say what you think about it cuz I'm curious to know what you
think. I'm pretty sure you say you like it so just tell these YNM
bombers to take a pill and chill.
Jon
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