YTSEJAM Digest 2829
Today's Topics:
1) Desmond Child, YNM
by Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
2) RE: Desmond Child, YNM
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
3) Lyrics...
by Hein Vandenabeele
4) holy hairball, batman
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
5) Re: Unclassified: Re: YNM
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
6) Re: Trevor/Love Lies Bleeding
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
7) DIE, YTSEJAMMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
8) What was I talking about, and, some much need humor
by caber1@concentric.net
9) Lars answer to my private post.
by Christian Albert Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com>
10) Re: http://www.dreamtheater.com
by Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com>
11) Oh my!
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
12) Trends..
by NightCast <nightcast@usa.net>
13) Re: Trends..
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) It sucks!
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
15) Dream Theater's sixth member
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
16) Do you feel
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
17) You don't know me anymore
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:53:12 -0400
From: Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Desmond Child, YNM
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Commonwealth_Equ%l=MAIL_SERVER-970806125312Z-4977@mail_server.comequity.com>
Hey peoples.
Two things:
1) Desmond Child, for those of you who are wondering, has written songs
for EVERYONE. A few years ago, he decided to put out a CD of all these
songs that he helped write for people and give it to them all for
Christmas. The CD had something like a 36-song tracklist with no
duplicate artists, and they were all HUGE names, like Bon Jovi, Madonna,
Cher, Michael Bolton (gag), etc. Maybe people here don't like him, but
the man knows his shit about writing pop songs.
2) I listened to YNM last night on my shittier-than-thou machine, and I
really don't see what all the fuss is about, apart from the annoying
guitar tone in the beginning (I'm not a fan of the wah, though, so
that's just IMHO). I can't really comment on the production of it,
because my computer is so old it could barely run the thing, much less
handle it in stereo (and it still skipped) and my soundcard blows dogs,
but my general gist of it, not having heard ANY of the Fix for 96 stuff,
is that a) Kevin Shirley didn't do that bad a job; b) as a bass player,
I'm dick-so-hard that I can hear Myung; and c) DT wrote a SONG.
Let me say that again. Dream Theater wrote a SONG. ***What is so wrong
with that***?
(/me adds heat sinks to his computer in anticipation of the flames to
come)
-Nicholas (Mogus on IRC)
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 06:22:43 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Desmond Child, YNM
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970806132243Z-22825@ms.Kallback.com>
>1) Desmond Child, for those of you who are wondering, has written songs
>for EVERYONE. Maybe people here don't like him, but
>the man knows his shit about writing pop songs.
No kidding! He is like the male counterpart to Diane Warren.
He put out a solo cd a few years back, as well. Too bad he didn't save
his
best songs for his own cd.
>
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Date: 6 Aug 97 15:37:33 EDT
From: Hein Vandenabeele
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lyrics...
Message-ID: <9708061641.AA6160@NYC-NTGW-N02.ny.jpmorgan.com>
For people interested in lyrics... check WWW.LYRICS.CH..
H.
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:45:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: holy hairball, batman
Message-ID: <199708061345.JAA02659@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
hazy@navin.com wrote:
>
> What's the difference in sound between analog and digital you say?
> Well I'll break it up simply for you:
>
MAN!, anyone think this is Hairball in disguise????????
-Al
-- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:33:37 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Unclassified: Re: YNM Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970806103337.00f00c80@pophost.fore.com>
graham said: >okay Lars, what are the facts ? > > > >Why don't you give Journey's last album that Kevin produced a listen, > sounds damn good to me. > >Think before you start shitting on Kev, can you who are slamming him do a > better job. > >No so shut the fuck up complaining, if you don't like it, then don't buy > the album, leave the rest of us to enjoy the new DT.
I'm so tired of people using this as an argument. "Can you do a better job?" It's not relevant whether I can or can't, because I'm not a producer.
In a similar situation on a metal list, I was slamming Dokken's new album, and stating that I think I would have rather seen them stay broken up, because in the last 3 years, they haven't really done anything but tarnish the image I had of them as an awesome 80's metal band. So some guy writes a 3 page public disertation on how I can't do any better than Dokken. So I told the guy that the next time I saw Dokken, I would wait after the show to meet Don Dokken, and tell him, "You know Don, your new album Shadowlife is by far the worst album Dokken has released, it pales in comparison to other new albums such as Dickinson's AOB, WASP's KFD, Megadeth's CW, Slaughter's new one; but you know many people have said that it's way better than anything I've ever written, so you can rest easy." What kind of complement is it to say that Dokken's new material is better than anything that Kai fellow has released?
As fans, it is our job to critique, but it is not our job to do a better job. If the production sucks (and I'm not saying it does, because I haven't heard the album, and I wouldn't begin to form a production opinion based on an MP3), it is our job to say it sucks. And you don't have to back it up by producing a better album. Simply compare it to an album with better production.
KAI
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:13:35 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Trevor/Love Lies Bleeding Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970806111335.00f02ab0@pophost.fore.com>
> >Don't you hate it when you hear Love Lies Bleeding on the radio, and you >get all excited because you think it's Dream Theater on the radio, and >you get all set to mail the 'jam about this amazing event, and then you >realize it's the orginal version, then you realize how much cooler the >DT version is.
Actually, no. I love the original version as much, if not more than the DT version. I really like the way DT pulled this song off, but mostly because of it's closeness to the original. Elton John is a musical genius, and Love Lies Bleeding kicks my ass.
KAI
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 16:28:59 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DIE, YTSEJAMMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970806142859.0066ab6c@mail.telepac.pt>
EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!
AAHHHHHH.....I NEEDED THAT..........
NOW, LET'S STOP TALKING ABOUT THE FUCKING YNM SONG, PRODUCTION AND 1'S AND 0'S - OR ELSE........
SIGNED: George Farber reencarnation (I'm ya woist nightmare)
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 11:00:09 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: What was I talking about, and, some much need humor Message-ID: <33EA0D28.3818@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> > Subject: New DT, stuff, stuff...
> but it bore repeating>. John<McCabe>'s right. This IS the album that > will decide some things for DT. I don't know if this was the point you > were trying to make, John, but if this is how they need to hold on to > their label, well, alright then.
Well, I was trying to get across(very poorly, I know) is that this is the album we'll look back upon in 5, or 10, or ZILLION(that's one day) years and say this was the break through album. Hopefully. :) I mean DT is trying out all these new things, and I'm really excited about it. But, people will take my view in different ways. Hehe, don't I sound like those snob type musicians who never tell you what a certain song is about. Oh no, MP don't read that! ;-) > I haven't heard YNM.
Hmm, maybe we should start a poll of who has and hasn't heard YNM. :)
> As for what band, I don't know any. I think he co-wrote a lot of bon Jovi > songs during their heyday <You Give Love a Bad Name, I think> as well as, > I think, Joan Jett's "I Love Rock 'n Roll" and "I Hate Myself for Loving > You."
Has this guy heard DT's cover of a certain Cowboy song? ;-) ___ > From: Jon <budda@PioneerPlanet.infi.net> > Subject: Hello?
> "But there doing a 180 and well they need to make money and ummmm well > thats what MP said" Wake Up CAVEMEN! Fellow Jammers I could go on and
Are you referring to my post? If you are I'll repeat what I was *trying* to say. Maybe I should say this three times. (j/k) I meant that DT is going to do some new stuff. Some prog stuff, some metal stuff, some simple stuff, some production stuff, some new instrument stuff, etc. I meant the 180 degree thing as this is going to hopefully be the album where we(the fans) will look back and say "Oasis sucks," or "I still hate MTV," or even "This is DT best album." Shit I forget the IMO. :) ___ > From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Basching, Holes, Tattooes
> Dream Theater rules.
Hey, stop kissing up to DT! They suck! ____ > From: gra@provida.no > Subject: I wanna bitch too ......
> An everyday thread on YTSEJAM: > >>Yeah - you f**king **shole! > >*clears throat* ahem. > >Fuck you, you fucking fuckfuck. > Now, that's really a mature thread !
I'm posting my response to this on the jam for all you newbies out there. Anything directed at Chris P. with fuck or asshole, will either be one of two things. One this person is cool and just playing around. And my favorite is the other. The other being Chris is going to make someone look like a complete fool! :) And I'll give the answer to the above example. One. :)
Hehe, I can't wait to see what my DTC % will be on Itchy's site for this month. I'm averaging more than 50% I believe. John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:53:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Albert Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lars answer to my private post. Message-ID: <199708061553.LAA13572@brickbat9.mindspring.com>
Hi jammerz.
I would just like to clarify that the post that Lars put on answering to me (called Post), was an answer to something I sent to him in private. So you're not seeing what my entire message was, only bits and pieces that he chose to put on the jam. Sorry for the waste of bandwidth, I just wanted to clarify that.
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 12:08:03 -0400 From: Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: http://www.dreamtheater.com Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970806160803.006ab310@pop.mindspring.com>
yea i saw that the other day, i sent them fux0rs some nasty email about who they thing they are =]
Rocky Dean iban@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~iban
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:52:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oh my! Message-ID: <199708061652.MAA03335@acmez.gatech.edu>
God, I love DT content!!!!
Does this count?
Eric
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:47:27 -0600 From: NightCast <nightcast@usa.net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Trends.. Message-ID: <01BCA259.FD2FF960@slc23.modem.xmission.com>
Ya know, I just realized something looking at todays jams..
As in the old plethora of "Another ???" titles, I think it's odd that DT = has a song called "Just let me breathe" when Take the Time's first line = is "Just let me catch my breath." =20
Anyways, that's a whole 2 cents. The new single still kicks ass. =20
-James
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 13:33:33 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Trends.. Message-ID: <33E8B56D.AE81A272@caribe.net>
NightCast wrote:
> Ya know, I just realized something looking at todays jams.. > > As in the old plethora of "Another ???" titles, I think it's odd that > DT = > has a song called "Just let me breathe" when Take the Time's first > line = > is "Just let me catch my breath." =20 > > Anyways, that's a whole 2 cents. The new single still kicks ass. =20 > > -James
hehe ...and the chorus says something to the effect of "open your eyes you can find all you need in your mind." or something like that.... but its very similar to TTT i mean.. to "close your eyes you can find all you need in your mind"
--
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com mailto:progboy@mindless.com
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:40:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: It sucks! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970806131416.22213A-100000@breakout.rs.itd.umich.edu>
nothing like DTC to start the jam's fire-breathing machinery up again....knew the peace wouldn't last
About the subject, shut up already, I ain't talking about YNM, ain't heard it yet, not sure I want to.....I went through that hearing stuff before its released with test for echo last year, "knew" every song for a whole two weeks at least before it was released, thanks to the various .wavs flying around, and then I got the album and realized I didn't catch anything of the nuances that were in every song.......
I understand fully that folks like to think that they CAN tell everything about a song from a compressed file sputtering out of computer speakers. what sucks is that they extend those feelings to an entire album of totally unheard material, and expose us to that 'negative vibe' (oooooh. I'm getting really new Age-y here.....better reach for your crystals).......what makes it worse is those folks too damn willing to jump over anybody who offers a negative opinion.....whether they're commenting on just the single song ynm (which any listener is entitled to do!) or extrapolating their feelings to the entire (unheard as of yet) album.....
no there's no point to this post, I was just musing along, and i happened to have my e-mail open, and besides I haven't been well-burnt in a while, thought I might as well expose myself......waitasec.....that could land me in jail....never mind, I'll keep that part to myself.....
coupla thoughts.....I thought Desmond Child WAS in Bon Jovi? lessee, Jon bon jovi, Tico Torres (i think that's his name), richie sambora....forget the last two, but I thought one was Child.....
Ernie: about www.Dreamtheater.com......i mentioned it last year.....they used to have this WICKED looking dragon creature thing on its opening page....looks like that company is starting to do well.....
partha
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 13:32:46 -0400 From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater's sixth member Message-ID: <33E8B53E.3BE7@net1plus.com>
Mike Bahr wrote:
> If I recall correctly what my band connection explained to me, You Or Me was > rewritten by Desmond Child.
Just thought I'd ask again (I'm kind of nervous):
Did DC have ANY input on ANY other songs? It always bothers me when bands work with outside songwriters (Phish does it for example), but when I hear that DT has, It makes me very dissapointed. Music is the communication of emotion. Desmond Child's emotion is not relevant to DT fans- DT's is.
Again, I have not heard You Not Me. I'm sure it is not all that bad, but I want to hear Dream Theater's music not some other Joe's.
I'm just worried that he worked on other songs too. Nobody knows? Mike Bahr?!
-Jon Dery
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:41:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Do you feel Message-ID: <199708061741.MAA16993@enteract.com>
> From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: B&B R.I.P., YNM
> Big words from a big being. On the next Oprah.
In Houston they say that? That's about as funny as a swimming pool.
> From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com> > Subject: The same thing everyone else is talking about :)
> Did they let Desmond Child have any of his cheesy input on any other > songs? I sure hope not. I haven't heard YNM, but I can tell you that > everything I've ever heard from this Child fella in the past has been > incredibly lame. Very slick bubble gum pop-type stuff. Yuck. He > probably talked KJLB into wearing leather pants again. The bastard!
That's pretty open minded of you. :) Desmond Child, like him or not, has his finger on the pulse of contemporary pop songwriting. He has been able to extend this into several genre's of music. I'm not a huge fan of his (I used to be, but I haven't been listening to anything he's been involved with for a long time) but I know that what he writes does NOT always sound the same. You're judging a book by its cover. And the cover says Dream Theater, so you'd better read through chapter 2112 by friday or you've got detention. I thought Bahr or someone else said that DT scrapped almost all of his changes anyways. Face it. It's possible for you (in general... not you Jon) to dislike a DT song. It's possible for DT to go in a direction you don't like. It's unacceptable for you to act like they're doing this to fuck you over... it's THEIR music... let them be themselves. If they bent to your suggestions, that would be no better then selling out to a record company. You wouldn't like DT if they played what people demanded. They have to play what they feel. > From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Basching, Holes, Tattooes
> HEAD LIKE A HOOOOLLLLE! BLACKAZYA SOOOUUULLLL! I'D RATHER FIIIILLLLL! YOUR > STOCKING WITH COOAAALLLL!
LOL Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:57:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: You don't know me anymore Message-ID: <199708061757.MAA20088@enteract.com>
> From: Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> > Subject: In Defense of Kevin Shirley
> Why are you immediately blaming Kevin Shirley? Do you how much input he had > on the album? DT must be held accountable for their music.
Yeah! Get a rope! Come one Ytsejammers! Let's get em'!
> From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> > Subject: Primus
> In an old guitar magazine <GuitarSchool, Aug 1995> there was an interview > with Larry LaLonde from Primus and the end of the interview went like > this:
I have gained a newfound respect for Primus for that comment. Larry is now my idol.
> From: gra@provida.no > Subject: I wanna bitch too ...... > > An everyday thread on YTSEJAM: > >>Yeah - you f**king **shole! > >*clears throat* ahem. > >Fuck you, you fucking fuckfuck. > Now, that's really a mature thread !
I guess maybe the joke went over your head. I know it made Rahul laugh! > I sense a bit of "If I met this dude IRL i'll kick his but" kindda thing > going on here !
Oh, come on! First off, that was totally a joke, and second, I'D FLATTEN HIM LIKE A FUCKING PANCAKE, <long pause> BOYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEE!
> I've had some problems downloading thr YNM, my browser thinks it's a text > file > and displays garbage all over the screen. I know it might download from > another > site, but hey, who needs the song when you can get all this fun from the > 'Jam ....
Try holding down the shift key when you click on the download link with your modem. Just a little tip from your friend the monkeymaster. > Germany) and I can wait another couple of months. Then I'll hear all of the > songs the way the band AND producer intended them to be heard.
AMEN BROTHA!
> 7. I'm leaving the jam pretty soon (in the next couple of days) but I'll > be staying on Voices for any news. All letters of sadness and melancholy > via private email, please :)
FINALLY we'll be rid of that dude. Man. That should cut down the flames and annoyance by like 80%! - Chris
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