YTSEJAM Digest 2836
Today's Topics:
1) Opinions are like nothing else!
by caber1@concentric.net
2) Nothing rhymes with Orange
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3) Questions to Bahr
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
4) Re: Seventhsign
by Noel Ontiveros <nontiver@zoo.uvm.edu>
5) hanson, death panelty,working man rush tribute cd
by hagai sadot <"winkle@internet-zahav.net"@parker.inter.net.il>
6) Re: Good news!!!!; emulation
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
7) Ytse-jam faq?
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
8) it's a vicious cycle
by Thrak75@aol.com
9) Good News!
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
10) DT/Yes MP3 file...
by Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
11) Freaky Sticks, and, I'm Sorry Time Is Up
by caber1@concentric.net
12) Re: stuff...
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
13) Psycho Drama and Quiet Room Show - Saturday
by "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@mail.iex.net>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2835
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@webhost.cl>
15) Re: Desmond Theater
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
16) Re: DMC/boot questions
by "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
17) Re: Vinnie
by "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 16:41:28 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Opinions are like nothing else!
Message-ID: <33EBAEA8.6E7@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
A little disclaimer. Remember to add those :) where ever you see fit!
> From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
> Subject: anyone else think........
> that this is about as stoopid as hating the album based on one 'song'?
> > "All the new stuff I have heard is quite superb and varied as usual and
> > I have no doubts it will rival I&W as my all time Fav CD."
No.
> it goes both ways.....you haven't heard the CD yet....you haven't heard
> the final song versions, you haven't heard the production, and to say that
> this will be your favorite album of all time, based only on past
> liking for DT and earlier rough versions you may have heard is as
> ridiculous as saying DT has sold out and Kevin Shirley stinks on the
> basis of one compressed computer file.........
I don't think anyone who said anything good about FII without some facts
to back up what they're saying. Whoever wrote that FII = I&W quote above
probably just read what MP has said. There are some many reasons that
this CD *appears* to be great. Just read some of my last couple of
posts. Or read what MP has told us. I'm not saying this is the end all
be all CD of this century. But, I'm pretty sure that it's going to be
great. I'm also pretty sure there are many lurkers out there who agree
with me(and probably everyone on the Qr newsgroup disagrees, but, that's
another post).
Look at it this way. Those of us that think the album is going to be on
the good side have gotten their opinions based on what they've heard,
and/or what they've heard straight from MP. The people who think the
album will be on the bad side have gotten their opinions based on a MP3
file, and/or what they've heard straight from the fuckin' TRASH.
> frankly, i'm not sure what bugs me worse, folks panning DT based on 4 out
> of 80 minutes, or total blind obedience (oh, it's gonna be good. How do i
> know>? It's DT....It's gonna be my favorite album of all time!)
Who said "all time" anyway?
John needs the all time favorite album NOW!(Spice Girls?)
caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:29:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Nothing rhymes with Orange
Message-ID: <199708072129.QAA24903@enteract.com>
> Now a little DT content. Is it just me, or is JP getting more and more
> into the wah pedal? If you look at the progression -
>
> WDADU - very little, and not real noticeable.
> I&W - a bit more, but mainly using it set in one position - maybe these
> two are using EQ to make it sound like a 'half - cocked wah'. (Yeesh -
> I'm setting myself up with that statement!)
Well... that's not exactly accurate. JP used the wah pretty darn audibly on a lot of
his solos on both albums. Listen to PMU and see if you can't hear the wah on the solo... not
just used as an EQ, either.
> I am. We're all descended from Adam, so you're related, too.
I don't think I've ever had a family member named Adam in my family tree.
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
> Subject: car cd changers
>
> What are the best car cd changers from your experience? My wife wants one
> for her car. I've got a JVC 12 disc changer in my car but I'll never get
> one again. I've had too many problems with the JVC. Problems like the
> cartridge locking up. (The last time my QR PL and my Jason Becker
> Perspectives got abused but luckily they play without skipping). Other
> problems include the changer getting confused and skipping cds so that
> the only way to play the skipped cd is to pop the cartridge and put it
> back in.
Make sure you don't get an FM Modulator-type changer. The best signal quality you can
possibly get then is the best quality FM signal your radio can receive. That sucks ass (I
know from experience). I came to the decision that cartridges suck, because you can't change
cds while you're driving (Not well, anyways) whereas you CAN change an in dash cd. They make
cd wallets that attach to your sun visor (available at Best Buy) and they make 152 capacity cd
wallets that you can have next to you at any given time. It seems to be more simple and
convenient than having to get out of the car and go to the trunk to change a cd. I spent $400
on an in dash, when I already had a changer, so maybe I'm just a lil insane anyways.
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511
k
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:39:01 -0400
From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Questions to Bahr
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970807213901Z-1772@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> A final P.S. I don't know if I mentioned it before on the Jam, but
>> one of my customers made a hardware (storage) donation a while
>> back and I'm fairly sure he wishes to remain anonymous, however
>> this is my strange and probably insufficient attempt to give him some
>> of the gratitude he deserves in a public forum. So to you, mr. X,
>> thanks VERY much!!
Hmmmmm. Hey Mikey, is Mr. X known to be a *paying* customer ?????? :)
And, oh hell. Is it live or is it studio ??
Separately, after recalling (ahem) one of the DT shows in Europe, I
think that it is entirely possible for BMS to retain a lot of its
integrity while being cut into two songs. And, while recalling this
show, I seem to remember a point that I am not sure was ever brought up
back in April. Specifically, during Metropolis I there was 45 second
insert of new material in the middle instrumental section. Could this
be part of Metropolis 2 ?? Mr. X, care to respond ??
Later,
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@bostech.com
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 18:06:50 -0400
From: Noel Ontiveros <nontiver@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Seventhsign
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970807220650.0068e2b0@pop.uvm.edu>
>On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Noel Ontiveros wrote:
>
>> But to completely change the subject, has anyone heard of
>> Seventhsign? Anyone have any of their albums? This is a great prog metal
>> band from Albuquerque, NM and I can't find any of their albums :(
>
>I've heard of them (but, then, I live in Albuquerque). I didn't know
>anything about them beyond the fact that they seem to be a moderately
>popluar local band, though. You say they're a great prog metal band?
>Maybe I should check them out.... Anyway, they have a web site at
>www.seventhsign.com if you want more information.
>
>Mark McEuen
>mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
Cool, I'm also from ABQ. I get the feeling they're not a very recognized
band outside of the home. If it's at all possible, you should definitely
give them a listen. Maybe they're not so much a prog metal band as they are
a simple, 80's style metal band. They're good nonetheless. Do you know of
a place in ABQ that sells local music?
Noel
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 01:12:01 -0700
From: hagai sadot <"winkle@internet-zahav.net"@parker.inter.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: hanson, death panelty,working man rush tribute cd
Message-ID: <199708072208.BAA07199@parker.inter.net.il>
Hi there !!!
I was wandering 2 my self: am i the only one who believes there should b a death panelty
for being extreeeeeeeeeeeemly stupid, ugly, playing mooshy songs and being called
HANSON? I think that they r probably the most un-definable band i've ever seen, in the
bad sense of the phrase.
a sharp change of subject:
i bought the rush tribute cd a long time ago, practicaly 2 days after it finally got to
my small neglected israel, and i was realy all excited about it in the first few weeks
but now i feel that it's that great of a cd. after all, all the guys who played there
simply made thing more complicated, which exactly the oposite of RUSH's idea, i mean,
RUSH's songs have always been technicaly simple ( mostly) but still they were great.
but the new cd, althugh very impressive and has an excellent sound unlike rush's
originals, is nothin' special, they simply turned 1/16 to 1/32 and so on.
anyone can do that. ofcourse there r some great stuff there like analog kid, the trees
and more. BY THE WAY: if u listen carefuly, you can hear on portnoy's drum solo in track
2, that when he goes down from whatever percussion it is to the low toms his stick hit
each other by mistake, making this anoying sound which u can't ignore after u
recognize...
anyway that's all
jamm on....
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:10:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Good news!!!!; emulation
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970807165133.1474A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, durnik wrote:
>
> ...my new CD burner arrives Friday. 8x read, 4x write. Instead of
Woohoo! I was assuming I'd be waiting forever for discs with UPS on
strike and Senor Bahr waiting for his burner...
> And it only costed me a crushing $880. Ah well. It happens.
You're going twice as fast, just do another CD project to pay for it. :)
And you missed a couple'a letters up there.
> Finally
> I get to move into a house... rented, but what can you say. Finally I'll
> have a decent-sized office to work in. About damn time. :)
And you can CRANK the fookin' stereo! I can't wait to save up enough
cash to lay a downpayment on a house here; next spring hopefully. (Then
my not-so-little little brother will be on an internship down here, and he
can help me move. :)
> Since my main PC isn't making CDs at the moment, I've taken the
> time to appreciate the various arcade, SNES, NES, and related emulators
> available on the web.
What is this with me! I post something after-the-fact, and a zillion
people reply (in private email, or on the jam). This is 5 messages
about emulators after mine. Casually mentioning 'It Bites' in my now-
playing line got 4... But if I ask a legit question, I get maybe 2
responses. :)
Hey, in that case...
"What does everyone think of the MP3 of YNM?"
:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
> Imagine my delight that SNES97, the PC SNES
> emulator, is compatible with the ROMs I copy with my Super UFO SNES
> console copier!
Hey! That's bootlegging! It's illega... oh, wait...
> I highly
> recommend any of you who like video games to check this stuff out.
Well, I'll say it before someone asks:
http://www.verrando.com/verrando/arcade 'da emulators
http://www.vu.union.edu/~peekb/arcade and 'da ROMs
--Jay "I defy idle comments about my NP line this time!" Omega
--NP: Birdsongs of the Mesozoic - Pyroclastics
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 00:15:59 +0200
From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytse-jam faq?
Message-ID: <33EA491F.AEA2EA98@algonet.se>
> From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
> Subject: small bitch thing.....
>
> sEROUSSI wrote:
>
> <snip, chop, chop, snip>
>
> Just a quick suggestion:
>
<snip, chop, chop, snip>
shouldn't there be some kind of a faq for the list to introduce newbies
to it?
I always wondered what the ytse & jam was, that visual music thread,
etc...
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:37:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: it's a vicious cycle
Message-ID: <970807183711_-1137887926@emout17.mail.aol.com>
well, fuck trying to hear the damn song. i think i'll just sit back, wait til
the 23rd, and see how many strokes jammers will get between all the bitching.
i must say, at least some of it is funny.
one small thought- desmond child. scary thought.
but this is all part of a vicious cycle. we got kevin shirley producing, with
desmond child lurking somewhere in between. i figure after this album goes #1
for about 20 weeks, then the next album will have none other than BOB ROCK (a
personal favorite) or MUTT LANGE (porntoy's voice seems choice for def
leppard-like harmonies). after THAT album blows the moose cock, in an effort
to retain more "progressive authenticities", who better to produce their next
hit album "jerking it harder", than TERRY BROWN? of course, since all prog
rockers love change and despise stagnation, they'll have to close their
careers of with a raw and gutsy album, produced by.......yep, you guessed it-
EDDIE KRAMER.
here's to sept. 23.
ytsegoon
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*
david y. kobayashi
thrak75@aol.com
"i'm afraid of americans, i'm afraid of the world. i'm afraid i can't help
it. i'm afraid i can't." d. bowie
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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:25:25 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Good News!
Message-ID: <33DFCD65.CB719E74@geocities.com>
Hi there!
> ------------------------------
> From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
> Subject: Good news!!!!
> Well, Chung Ng the awesome Ytsejammer is now the owner of my
> Playstation, I find myself owning distinctly fewer Magic cards, and
> I'm
> negotiating deals on the Star Wars and SNES stuff, and on the up
> side..
Man, too bad you don't live here, I'd have got that for me... =)
> ...my new CD burner arrives Friday. 8x read, 4x write. Instead
> of
> struggling with the ol' doublespeed, I'll be naked, clueless, and
> fe-e-e-eling good. (Anyone who knows where that quote came from
> deserves a
> free drink). And it only costed me a crushing $880. Ah well. It
Hey! Dilbert! Cool! =)
WHERE'S THA BEER??? ;-)
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/------------------------------
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 20:15:10 -0400 From: Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com> To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT/Yes MP3 file... Message-ID: <33EA650E.4E4C@nh.ultranet.com>
Hello all. I've been playing around with this WinAmp program and I love the quality. However, when I tried to download the DT/Yes Mp3 file, it wouldn't play. Does anyone know where I could find it. Its not on the server anymore so I can't ftp it...drat! Could someone zip it up and send it to me? I'd sure appreciate it very much! Thanks... Tony
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 19:41:25 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Freaky Sticks, and, I'm Sorry Time Is Up Message-ID: <33EBD8D4.3DDA@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: "Ebatur" <cyclone@securenet.net> > Subject: Re: You Not Me
> When "Awake" came out the first song > I heard was 6:00, of course, I almost lost my mind, what the hell was > this shit?
Hehe, TNM is probably going to have some freaky Chapman Stick intro! :) ___ > From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> > Subject: Re: DTC? what's that? > This is such shit. A cassette does not have a time restriction like the CD > does. Currently, a CD can only hold around 79 minutes of music (which is > the most I've seen), but most of us use quality, high grade, reliable 90 > minute cassettes. What this boils down to is that E/W is too cheap to > invest in a longer, yet quality cassette.
Yeah, I know tapes can hold more than what the label says(I prefer Maxell 100 minutes tapes, myself :). But, what is the time limit that they set? I'm wondering because they could cut one long song or two shorter ones(yeah, less "sell out" songs! ;). Anyway, someone know the time limit for tapes by E/W?
> 6:00, CiaW, IF, Erot/V/SM, To Live Forever, Mirror/Lie, LSOAD, Scarred, > SDV, Eve
I like this mix better, actually. Going from The Silent Man to Mirror was always fun to scare friends. But just listening to it, it always jarred me. Now only to get that damn Lie single... :( > Oh, and those harmonies in TLF...mmm...suckUlent.
Hey, TLF DOES NOT SUCK ME ALOT!!! :)
Hater of all that is All-State John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:36:03 -0600 From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: stuff... Message-ID: <199708080041.RAA23576@odin.ax.com>
> sEROUSSI wrote: > > <snip, chop, chop, snip>
As innocent as it appears, the fearsome Seroussi is a voracious predator lurking through the forests of Ytse. This large and ungainly beast is feared by all other animals and respected by all other predators. Using it's large incisors, it can reap incredibly vast amounts of forest and devour whole trees in mere seconds. Spawning only once in a lifetime, this terrible creature is a very rare specimen, for even after depositing it's payload of life, it begins to perform infanticide, the consuming of it's own young. It's grand rack of antlers give it a regal bearing and a commanding presence. If one is ever attacked by a Seroussi, it is wisest to beat it over the head with a stout cudgel, for despite it's fearsome persona and hauntingly abhorrant bellow, it fears pain. One species of an amazing menagerie of wildlife cavorting through the wilderness of Ytse. (Next week, fishing for the elusive Thalhead salmon.)
-- An excerpt from National Ytsegraphic, August 8, 1997.
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:09:10 +0000 From: "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@mail.iex.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Psycho Drama and Quiet Room Show - Saturday Message-ID: <199708080103.TAA24451@mail.iex.net>
jammers, just letting ya all know that I'm going to see a couple of local bands here in Colorado Springs on Saturday, Psycho Drama and The Quiet Room, and I'll let ya know how it goes. Psycho Drama plays regularly down here, but The Quiet Room (from Denver) is playing here for the first time. I'm planning on picking up their 1st full length CD at the show, and I'll let ya know how that is too. I have the "Quiet Room" promo disk and I think it's outstanding, prog metal, with elements of power metal at its best! Psycho Drama is a good melodic rock band. I'm not that crazy over them(not really my style of music), but they are still outstanding musicians, and I won't take that away from them........ See Ya.....Dusty (colorado springs),
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:51:09 -0400 (CST) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@webhost.cl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2835 Message-ID: <199708080251.WAA20867@antonia.webhost.cl>
> >Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 20:08:16 +0200 >From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: stuff... >Message-ID: <33EA0F0F.45578F85@algonet.se> > >[...] >> From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@webhost.cl> >> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2832 >> >> > Damn, and I was hoping you WERE related to Dion Warwick. >> >> I am. We're all descended from Adam, so you're related, too. >> >We're not supposed to discuss religion [thus not make religious >statements] here, are we?
I worship Neil Peart, God of drums, and Mike Portnoy, his accolyte - now it's an obligatory religious issue. ;-)
-- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a26 C++ UL+>L++++ miguel@webhost.cl / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O mfarah@puc.cl \ M- V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel / X- R tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ #include <disclaimer.h> \ r-- y? <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:00:28 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Desmond Theater Message-ID: <19970808013354.AAA8132@sni.pananet.com>
> > the album's gonna rock folks: > > MP has been working out with Arnie >
Shiat! How'd you know? Well, ok, i guess I'll have to admit it. Yes, MP and I go work out at the gym twice a week. But I must tell you, every time he can't bench as much as me, he starts making excuses like "Gimme a break man, I was playing drums all day at the studio", or "The song we were recording today had ssome really fast double-bass". Yeah right.
BTW, my name's spelled with an 'E'
:P Ernie
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:32:12 +0000 From: "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DMC/boot questions Message-ID: <199708080427.XAA02899@Walden.MO.NET>
> > I just picked up Maiden's Raising Hell video today. Pretty cool. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I thought that was Run DMC? Damn, I was wondering about that new direction the band was taking. Damn sell outs, just wanting to get that hip hop vibe going. That's wiggidy whack :).
Dale R. Newberry
P.S. I saw a few boots I have questions about. I saw DT's Skyway of Nightmares for $19.99, and the Wake Up boot for $25. Also Lords of Sound for about $50 (rounded off), as well as Live in Japan video for $25 (looked like it might be the PPV thing, but couldn't tell). I also saw a Queensryche boot video (can't remember the name, but it had over 2 hrs, complete show, on it) I believe form the Promised Land tour for $25. Any comments? Are they worth it?
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:34:33 +0000 From: "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Vinnie Message-ID: <199708080430.XAA03171@Walden.MO.NET>
> >~MegaVinnie > >~SavaVinnie > >~FatesVinnie (WTF?!) > >~MetallifukinVinnie You forgot Nisefukinvinnie :).
Dale R> Newberry
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