YTSEJAM Digest 2840
Today's Topics:
1) ************** LICK OF THE WEEK ****************
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
2) Cleveland Fates concert
by caught-in-a-web@juno.com
3) Beautiful Peep Hole
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
4) Re: YNM
by eckie@asu.edu
5) Prog venues in Atlanta
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
6) SYMPHONY X / ANGRA / FATES WARNING ** A new hope for the U.S.!! **
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
7) Houston Ytsevening Wrap-Up
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
8) Testament
by "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
9) oppinion
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
10) Insomnia sucks
by eckie@asu.edu
11) KJL's name clarification
by Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
12) Heya Folks!
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
13) for Rogerio Brito
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
14) new music
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
15) Re: Wake Up!
by s963713@ipe.tsukuba.ac.jp (SUZUKI Jun'ya)
16) FS:Paradise Lost CDs
by KevMan <kvill@flash.net>
17) TTFN! ;} (NDTC)
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
18) Massage, Fishy, Pull Me Under
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 01:24:07 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ************** LICK OF THE WEEK ****************
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970808232407.00667544@mail.telepac.pt>
*********************** LICK OF THE WEEK **************************
Ok. Why don't we start posting a guitar riff every week?
DT (specially), Vai, Nuno, Satch ... Cool solo excerpts, rythm,...
Great idea..huh? Don't thank me - just send your visa card code
together with your nameto my e-mail. If your account has less
than 10 zeros, don't bother. :)
Here's the first lick from Vai, as played in the middle of
'For The Love of God' (from Passion and Warfare):
This is played EXTREMELLY fast (2sec to do the whole arpeggio thing).
D D D U U U U U D
|------7--10/22---19--------------------| x5
|----8---------------20-------20\8------|
|--9--------------------21--------------|
|--------------------------19-----------|
|---------------------------------------|
|---------------------------------------|
This is something to keep your finger working till THE DAY arrives
(the BIG 23 - you know what I mean). :)
PETRUCCI (if you are reading this you reading this):
I BET YOU CAN'T PLAY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C Ya, Folks
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| We are: FleXable (Francisco Miguel) & Apicultor (Pedro Filipe) |
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| "Practice, practice, practice" - Michael Angelo |
| "Hello me, it's me again..." - Dave Mustaine |
| "We may be human, but we're still animals" - Steve Vai |
| "Happy Happy Happy Joy Joy Joy" - Ren & Stimpy |
| "My brother likes Dragon Ball. AAARGHH!!!" - FleXable |
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:53:00 -0700
From: caught-in-a-web@juno.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cleveland Fates concert
Message-ID: <19970808.215301.3934.1.caught-in-a-web@juno.com>
Greetings all,
I've been out of the loop for a bit and was just wondering how many of
the Cleveland area 'jammers are going to
the Fates Warning concert. From all of the reviews so far, it seems like
a show that should not be missed. It will
be my first concert in Cleveland, since I just moved here a week ago.
Shoot me a private e-mail if you can...caught-in-a-web@juno.com.
See ya all September 23rd :-)
CB
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:01:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Beautiful Peep Hole
Message-ID: <199708090301.WAA26487@enteract.com>
> From: Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net>
> Subject: stuff...
> I noticed that a lot of you jammers have always said that PMU is a
> commercial song off of I&W. I have to totally disagree. Another Day
> might be, but PMU is no way a radio song.
Hmm. Funny how it got more radio play than Another Day...
Back in the age of I&W (Trends change faster than Time Sigs these days) PMU was a
fitting metal song. Metal was not completely OUT (Headbangers Ball still existed even!) and
this was the style it was headed... either more grungy or more technical.
> Look at all the technicalparts and mood changes.
Contemporary radio hits are not all devoid of technique or mood. That applies to
today and yesterday... Most hit songs have at least as much mood and energy as PMU.
> Look at the time signatures!
Is there any real time signature change? I guess it speeds up and slows down, but all
at the same BPM really... And I'm kind of sick of people acting like time signatures mean
anything as far as how complex or progressive a song is, or whether or not it could get on the
radio. Sting recently had a hit on a 9/8 song... you hear 12/8, 6/8, 3/4, 5/4, etc all the
time. That doesn't mean anything.
> It clocks in at over 8 minutes!
The radio release and MTV release are considerably shorter.
> It is a great song! Just think if ANother
> Day would have been released as the 1st single off of I&W. I don't
> think most jammers would be here today or there might not even be the
> jam.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. If I'd heard Another Day first, I'd have bought
I&W and said "Wow! This is a great album." Instead, I heard PMU first, and I bought I&W and
said "Wow! This is a great album."
> If I would have heard that song I would have thought that it was
> ok, but not good enough to actually pursue further.
And you call yourself a fan! :)
> From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
> Subject: Re: excuse me !!
Wow. You're a real fuckpan.
Granted, I think we were all annoyed by the Prog or Die overpostage, the guy
apologizes, and this dickhead decides to yell at him for it?
But I had to take time out of my schedule, and bandwidth out of your list because this
guy is a complete suckload. That post was as constructive as elephantitis of the left nad.
SirPussy: If you can't cut someone who makes a minor mistake a little bit of slack, I think
I'll have to hire the Bafu collective to smoosh you something akin to a fucking flapjack,
bitch! (Counterfeit)
Now stop trying so hard. You're gonna pull a groin muscle.
> Has anyone noticed how cool 3:11-3:12 is in this song?
Just that one second? This must be one damn fast song! :)
> From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
> To: "'The ungrateful maggots Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Infringement!
In case anyone was upset by Itchy's post, I want you to understand that he ran out of
prozac, and since the men in white suits found him and medicated him thoroughly, everything
will be much shinier and more happy, and there will be less of Itchy doing what he used to
complain about other jammers doing.
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:54:42 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YNM
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970806115333.1091C-100000@general4.asu.edu>
> I'm sorry to say, but B&B sucked! That show was trash compared to Ren &
> Stimpy.
Don't get me started.....
>:^)
~The Eckie
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:36:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Prog venues in Atlanta
Message-ID: <199708090436.AA21111@crl.crl.com>
[Phil Carter asked about venues in Atlanta for prog bands]
It would depend on the expected size of the show. For a smaller show,
the Variety Playhouse in Little Five Points holds about 4-500 and has
good sound.
For midsize shows the Roxy would be the best bet, I think. Dream
Theater played there on their second visit during the I&W tour (or so
I'm told; either I never heard about the show or it happened just
before I discovered DT). Capacity c. 1000-1200 I think.
As for the Fox, I'd love to see DT play there. If the new
album/single gets any decent airplay here -- and there's a chance,
with 96rock toughening its sound -- I think they could support a show
at the Fox. Capacity around 5000, a little less I believe, but a
great venue for any show.
I'd really rather not see DT play the Masquerade (they played there
once before, too, with Early Warning opening), since the venue has
poor sound and annoying security people. Same is true of places like
the International Ballroom, which has all the warm acoustics of any
other aircraft hangar.
-- +-- I know it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye.... ---+ | I would raise a shelter to the sky... (Dream Theater, | | And here beneath this star tonight I lie.... "Surrounded") | +-- Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com http://www.crl.com/~vanyel --+------------------------------
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 01:21:47 -0400 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SYMPHONY X / ANGRA / FATES WARNING ** A new hope for the U.S.!! ** Message-ID: <33EBFE6B.4B15@earthlink.net>
Hi all,
I just got back from seeing my second FATES WARNING show (Club Bene in NJ) in two days. They just get better and better; lost my voice AGAIN. ZONDER BE THY NAME!!!!!
Anyway, I was wearing my ANGRA shirt and was approached by a lot people shocked to see that someone actually had a shirt from them (I've never gotten so much mileage out of a concert shirt as I did this one!) and as I'm talking to a fellow ANGRA fan I see two VERY familiar looking faces walk in and its Michael Romeo and Thomas Miller of SYMPHONY effin' X!!! I was still talking to this guy but trying to watch them at the same time so I didnt lose them; I didn't wanna be rude so I kept talking to him and did lose them but found them again later on when they were talking with a bunch of people. The show was about to start and I didn't wanna lose my primo spot right in front of Ray Alder (I saw the fillings in his teeth my spot was so good :-)
Well, the show was even better than the night before (except for some drunk fuck cursing out Ray in the back or something..kinda funny) and afterwards I was looking for them but they jetted! ARRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..shitshitshit! SYMPHONY X was in my hands :-( As I was walking out I noticed someone else with the SAME ANGRA shirt and when I looked at his face it was Denis Gulbey (you know its him when you hear his voice :-) of SENTINEL STEEL!
This is when my jaw proceeded to dislodge from my mouth and fall to the floor in excitement. I asked him what was new in the progressive/power metal front and he said that there is a festival being set up for sometime in the fall in Baltimore, MD which will consist of mostly American bands (he mentioned a bunch of bands I can't remember now (damnit!) but whose names I definitely recognized at the time, NEW EDEN, GOTHIC KNIGHTS, SYMPHONY X!!!!, and get this (I'm praying to the gods of prog this is true!) .... ANGRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!! ANGRA on US soil!!
I may be a bit premature by announcing this but screw it..I can dream! I really hope this is pulled off cuz Baltimore is 5 hours away from NYC and thats just a short walk compared to the 12 hours it took my friends and I to drive from NYC to Chicago for the Jason Becker Benefit. Can anyone confirm even the smallest amount of truth to this!?!?!? Someone else also mentioned this at the show and this only fueled my fire to see this awesome festival!!! Please be true!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn, what a great night though.
1) Garth Brooks diverted all the concert traffic away from Jersey. "Moonshine..yeehaa" 2) I've NEVER gotten so much mileage out of a concert shirt as I did w/ ANGRA. 3) FATES WARNING shifted my universe (yet again :-) 4) SYMPHONY X was there!!!!!! 5) I found out about the sickest festival that the US may ever see (ANGRA and SYMPHONY X on the same bill!......I'm not worthy) 6) and Oh Yeah...since my friend was wearing a NEVERMORE shirt some guy came up to us and said "You know they're gonna tour the US soon right. They're playing Randolph(?), NJ on Sept. 29th." My jaw was non-existant at this point. 7) To top it all off...as I'm exiting the club I hear a car stopped at a red light BLASTING (and I mean BLASTING.. SYMPHONY X "The Eyes of Medusa")!! Something I'd never even think of seeing EVER in my life.
Perfect end to a perfect night. At least in some small corners of the world metal is alive and well :-)
cheers, Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseMatheos)
-- _ __| |__ "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __| maybe then you'll begin to understand | | Life down here is just a strange illusion." | | |_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:39:13 -0500 From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert) To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Houston Ytsevening Wrap-Up Message-ID: <19970809053351401.AAA145@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
Well, the Ytsevening was really cool! A friend and I got to meet a couple of the cool folks on the jam and listen to some Lemur Voice and Superior after dinner. Hopefully we can get together in future months again, possibly in December in the weeks before Christmas when some others that weren't able to make it this time can meet other jammers in their city. I would encourage anyone on the jam to call a hangout with your fellow jammers in the area, as it turned out really cool. One extra note - wear your Rush:TFE shirts - some waitresses give out free chips and cheese dip to those weilding such attire!
Cheers - · • Colonel Mustard/Mark • ·
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:40:55 +0000 From: "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Testament Message-ID: <199708090537.AAA17663@Walden.MO.NET>
For anyone in or around the St. Louis area, I just read where Testament is playing Pop's Annex in Sauget, IL (like, 1 mile form downtown St. Louis), 9pm, Wed., Aug 13. I might be there.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 08:36:40 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: oppinion Message-ID: <33EC8E88.4ED0@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
come on people what's your oppinion about "Burinig My soul", "Just Let Me Breath" and "Preuvian Skies" ?
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 01:18:46 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Insomnia sucks Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970807011242.10945A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Ugh...the Silent Man wasn't about a religious figure...or John Myung...
it's for us poor souls who can't sleep late at night, but can't turn up the tv/stereo/guitar amp to stay occupied either! We have to stay silent 'cuz everybody in the building is sleeping! Argh. It sucks being considerate sometimes.
"If they have to suffer, there lies the silent man..."
~Eckie plays a little more BLOOD (Yeah! zombie heads as soccer balls! woo!)
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 97 3:13:36 EDT From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: KJL's name clarification Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.871110816.chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
Just a quick question!! Could someone please tell me how to pronounce KJL's name. Is it LaBray, LaBree, or LaBry. I think it's LaBree. Could someone please confirm this. Also; Where the hell is Kevin Moore and the Chromakey project? Thanks
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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 00:40:57 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Heya Folks! Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970809004047.006ee390@cats.ucsc.edu>
'member me? I'm back from vacation. I just visited the rsabbs site with the final new album info, but did I miss anything else? For the sake of others who did have to live through the last 5 weeks of Jams, please let me know in private mail.
__ /\ __ __\/__\/__ ~Chris \_||_/ http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ /__||__\ // \ | \\ "Let nothing bleed into nothing, and did nothing at all" \| Jim Matheos, Fates Warning, "A Pleasant Shade of Gray"
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:50:18 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: for Rogerio Brito Message-ID: <19970809065602.AAB4571@sni.pananet.com>
Rogerio, My last email doesn't seem to reach you....I just sent it a 3rd time, let me know if I should write to a nother adress or something.
later, Ernie
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:04:36 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new music Message-ID: <199708090804.BAA14255@gms.gmsnet.com>
Well... I picked up the new Divine Regale album... Ocean Mind, on first listen, these guys are intriquing... they're definitely not a DT clone... they run the gamut from Damn the Machine, Rush, to Queensryche and their own sound... I would recommend it.
I also picked up Royal Hunt in the used bin... this stuff sounds sorta neoclassical, and neo-prog... with a little hair metal in it.... heheheh
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:49:59 +0900 From: s963713@ipe.tsukuba.ac.jp (SUZUKI Jun'ya) To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Wake Up! Message-ID: <199708090949.SAA11304@icho.ipe.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Hello there, and Hi Rick,
>A brief word on the boot 2CD set "Wake Up!": > > >HOWEVER, if you listen closely to the right channel of disc two of "Wake >Up!" you will hear a low-level signal of what appears to me to be an >Italian radio station broadcast. It is particularly noticeable when >listening through headphones. This undesireable signal is NOT on the "Mind >Control" boot, which to me, makes the latter more desirable to own.
Yes, that's right. But you make one mistake. The low-level signal on the right channel of disc two of "Wake Up!" is a Japanese radio or TV station broadcast.
All of the copies of the PPV broadcast, mine and my friend's, of cource 1st generation from the broadcast, has such signal on the right channel. And on the point of a prayer for the victims of the Hanshin-Awaji earthquake, the signal level goes to zero with main sounds. This tells this undersireable signal already exist at the TV station where were the people who control the sound level for broadcasting.
So, we can know the source of "Wakd Up!" bootleg is just the PPV sound track.
On the other hand, about "Mind Control" bootleg, yes, this does not have such signal. And I think the source of "MC" is direct sound board recording before the causing the contamination of the signal.
This is what I think about the soundboard recordings.
Thanks -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- SUZUKI Jun'ya s963713@ipe.tsukuba.ac.jp Master's Proglam in Biosystem Studies, University of Tsukuba RUSH and Dream Theater Japanese information: http://www.ipe.tsukuba.ac.jp/~s963713/ Live and Rare recordings: http://www.ipe.tsukuba.ac.jp/~s963713/html/trade.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 05:04:15 -0500 From: KevMan <kvill@flash.net> To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FS:Paradise Lost CDs Message-ID: <33EC409F.57C8@flash.net>
I have the following for sale (yes, more cds!) Paradise Lost-Draconian Times Paradise Lost-Doomsday Symphonies (Excellent, and I mean EXCELLENT sounding bootleg)
send offers to:kvill@flash.net
Thanks, Kevin.
PS- I still have the following for sale: King Crimson-The Great Deciever (4cd live set of early material) $36 King Crimson-Frame By Frame (4cd box set retrospective) $36 King Crimson-B'Boom (2cd live disc-scratched, but plays fine) $12 King Crimson-Thrak $8
All of the KC are ppd in USA
Thanks again, Kevin.
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TTFN! ;} (NDTC) Message-ID: <970809082008_-354642505@emout09.mail.aol.com>
Howdy!
I'm going to MN for 10 days or so so I have to unsub for that time or AOL will explode and i know none of you want that! ;} Anyway, when I get back, I'll jump right back into the middle of whatever thread the masters have begun to weave through the Jam... ;} Later! ~Lisa
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:29:00 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'The ungrateful maggots Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Massage, Fishy, Pull Me Under Message-ID: <01BCA4D3.D01C46A0@Tuvok.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Arash Ashouriha wrote :
> I've send you a massage 4 times, but it was a mistake.
Next time wash your hands first... I ended up with A Rash ;-)
(sorry about making fun of your name, just thought it was funny) _____
AE wrote :
>> Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> wrote: >> Fish (ex singer of Marillion) - I saw "Sunsets of Empire" and >> "Internal Exile" at the CD shop and was wondering if they are worth >> a shot. I need a general description of what it sounds like and which >> is better and how good they are. > > Please do not start with "Internal Exile" if you have never heard > anything by Fish before. Start with "Sunsets on Empire". It's the best > album from all of his solo works.
I agree. Get 'Sunsets' first, and 'Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors' after that. 'Internal Exile' is also good, but nowhere near as great as 'Sunsets' & 'Vigil'(IMO). 'Vigil' is still a bit Marillion-ish in places. 'Sunsets' is completely different... it's dark, moody, lotsa loops and samples (like Porcupine Tree)... So far, it has my vote as album of the year (at least until September 23).
You can download some Fishy samples on the official Fish site called "Wilderness of Mirrors" (which is part of my Marillion webring) at :
If you're a Marillion fan, check out Marillion's Warm Web Circle :-) It's a collection of almost 30 Fish and/or Marillion sites. Just go to my homepage at http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ and check out the navigation bar at the top of the main page. :-) _____
Jason Nixon wrote :
> I noticed that a lot of you jammers have always said that PMU is a > commercial song off of I&W.
That's 'cuz lots of jammers are dumb fucks :-) "They are fuckin' TRASH. I'd put them in a trash can."
> Just think if ANother Day would have been released as the 1st single > off of I&W. I don't think most jammers would be here today or there > might not even be the jam.
And the Ytsejam would be a much nicer place :-)
Most Jammers doesn't include *me*, though, because the first DT song I ever heard was "A Fortune In Lies" back in '89. :-) Hell, I didn't even know they were still around, when I&W got released. All I knew was that they had dumped Chuckie D. and lost their contract...
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