YTSEJAM Digest 2839
Today's Topics:
1) Fish
by cluesump@sirius.com
2) Angra Newsgroup
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
3) MOONSPELL
by Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net>
4) stuff...
by Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net>
5) Testes, one, two, three...
by eckie@asu.edu
6) DTIFC
by Neil Elliott <Images_and_Words@compuserve.com>
7) DTSC, Time to confuse you, and, Parting is such sweet sorrow
by caber1@concentric.net
8) Re: Wake Up
by "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
9) Re: Bruce Bruce
by "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
10) Songs
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
11) Re: boots
by "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
12) Re: excuse me !!
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
13) Wake Up!
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
14) YNM (yet another comment)
by Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net>
15) The Black Knights Always Triumph!
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
16) Ytsejam site
by caber1@concentric.net
17) grunge and sell-outs
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
18) Re: excuse me !!
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:05:25 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fish
Message-ID: <v01520d01b0111c10316a@[205.134.227.33]>
Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> wrote:
>Fish (ex singer of Marillion) - I saw "Sunsets of Empire" and "Internal
>Exile" at the CD shop and was wondering if they are worth a shot. I need
>a general description of what it sounds like and which is better and how
>good they are.
Please do not start with "Internal Exile" if you have never heard anything
by Fish before. Start with "Sunsets on Empire". It's the best album from
all of his solo works. IE is rather Scottish. SoE sounds very much like
Porcupine Tree especially keyboards and guitars because Steve Wilson
produced and played on it. You will like what you hear from SoE but it
doesn't sound like "Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors" though. It's worth
listening....and you will like QSound too.
Just my opinion.
AE
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 97 14:55:00 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Angra Newsgroup
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+OfqunA@tcx.tcco.com>
Can someone tell me how I can get on the Angra newsgroup? I've been trying to
subscribe for a few days now, but I never get an answer to see if my email was
accepted or not.
Thanks.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 15:14:59 -0400
From: Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MOONSPELL
Message-ID: <33EB7009.5413@net-link.net>
Just a point of clarification,
MOONSPELL IS FROM PORTUGAL!!!!
Jason
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 15:33:33 -0400
From: Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: stuff...
Message-ID: <33EB748D.259A@net-link.net>
Two things,
I noticed that a lot of you jammers have always said that PMU is a
commercial song off of I&W. I have to totally disagree. Another Day
might be, but PMU is no way a radio song. Look at all the
technicalparts and mood changes. Look at the time signatures! It
clocks in at over 8 minutes! It is a great song! Just think if ANother
Day would have been released as the 1st single off of I&W. I don't
think most jammers would be here today or there might not even be the
jam. If I would have heard that song I would have thought that it was
ok, but not good enough to actually pursue further.
Also, Is it just me, or does the end of YNM sound like "Secret Square"
from Flotsam and Jetsam? When I hear that last "da-da-da-da" I want the
clean part of SS to start and hear Eric AK sing "Step into the
realms..". Give it a listen!
Jason
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 12:24:37 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Testes, one, two, three...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970808122121.23647A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
Sorry, I need to post this 'n see if it doesn't bounce. I've written 3
messages in the last couple days to different addresses 'n they've all
bounced back on me. *grumble about ASU services*
On a musical note, the Pantera Live album KICKS ASS! Ooooooooh, it's
nice to hear some thrashy grooves; the studio tracks rock nads 'n then
some...and I can stand the vocals too. They're not as wild as Suicide
Note Pt. 2, but more of a Far Beyond Driven style.
Very cool, and the live tracks are awesome. :D
~Eckie goes 'n buys his own copy
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:39:51 -0400
From: Neil Elliott <Images_and_Words@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DTIFC
Message-ID: <199708081539_MC2-1CAE-2E84@compuserve.com>
Just to let you know that the latest issue of the Fan Club magazine 'Imag=
es
& Words' is done, and it should start shipping out as soon as I receive i=
t
in the next week or so. Things got held up at the printing company, but w=
e
are nearly there now.
Neil Elliott - DTIFC
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 15:38:08 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DTSC, Time to confuse you, and, Parting is such sweet sorrow
Message-ID: <33ECF14F.7462@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
> Subject: excuse me !!
> Anyway I hope you will enjoy the new songs. I think they are great.
> What Do you think ?
I think DT sold out! I mean come on! Only 9 minutes long? Only 5 time
sig changes? Ugh! I thought that you guys knew that DT sucks and MP is a
liar! Blind Melon is my all time favorite band!
;-)
___
> From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
> Subject: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::)
> 2- At 100bmp, shouldn't 4/4 sound just like 4/8? I heard some
> people say that one 4/4 measure = two 4/8 measure.
> Also, when at the beggining of the songs appears
> [insert quarter note here]=80, doeas this mean there are 80 bmp?
I'll answer the second question really quickly and in a classic JM
style...[nods] :)
Okay, if you think about it 4/8 is four beats for 8th notes, right?
Right! So, you could also say that 4/8 is equal to 2/4, right? Right!
But 4/4 can't be equal to 2/4, right? Right! :)
Okay, now that I've totally confused you, I'll explain something about
why I hate time sig.'s. It's all based on what's easiest for you. In the
example above I made 4/4 equal 2/4. Any idiot with half a brain can tell
you that they don't equal, though. That's really confusing, I know. But,
if you're talking about a certain riff or something, it'll make sense.
I'm not the biggest time sig freak on this list, so I might be wrong.
But tempo wise 4/4 *could* equal 4/8. That's if they're too different
pieces of music. In the first piece the quarter note happens to be equal
to the second piece's 8th note. But if I was just playing the same 4
notes over and over again, I'd call it 4/4. But, for example if the riff
had 3 notes of equal length and 2 notes that were equal to just one of
those 3, I'd probably call it 4/8. If you still don't get what I'm
talking about find a good teacher where you live, or just start to make
up little riffs of just 4 notes. Understanding how to understand what
you're playing is really important, duh! :) Here's another tip I've been
doing this for the past couple of weeks to work on my tapping. Try
tapping any major chord and then add another note to make it sound
cool(pick a note, that's in that key, though!). But you don't have to
tap, you can do whatever you feel like! And have fun!
[John McCabe DTC% -25% from this post!] :P
____
Okay, let's take a moment for us(too much of The Daily Show roits your
brain :). Okay, I'm going away this weekend for a family re-union(even
though it's on my dad's side nobody's last name is McCabe, weird huh?).
To anybody who's worried about me sending a tape or money or anything to
them it's going out today, or never! :) So, don't email me over the
weekend. This also means that you're not going to get your daily amount
of 17 posts from me. HEY, WHO'S CLAPPING!?! [sobs] Good-byes are so hard
for me...[sobs] Goo--Good-b...Fooled ya, sucka! ;-)
John McCabe
caber1@concentric.net
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:09:44 +0000
From: "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Wake Up
Message-ID: <199708082105.QAA13874@Walden.MO.NET>
> Wake Up's a good quality boot, though, from the Live PPV show, '95, but
> that's a great price, I thought it was supposed to be 2 CD's. I've always
> seen it advertised for $40 - $50. I'd like to get it, I just have a
Okay, I might've gotten a bit mixed up. Wake Up may have been the 2
CD one for $50, I think. I can't remember. I'll have to go back and
check.
Dale R. Newberry
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:13:04 +0000
From: "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Bruce Bruce
Message-ID: <199708082109.QAA14470@Walden.MO.NET>
> Bruce Dickinson will be touring the US very shortly. I urge all of you
> to go, as I have a funny feeling that these shows will be stunning.
> I'm just jealous that there doesn't seem to be much of a UK tour lined
> up at the moment!
I noticed the other day that he'll be playing St. Louis (Pop's Annex
in Sauget, IL, to be more specific) in Sept. I will definitely be
there.
Oh yeah, I just picked up Damn teh Machine for $2 :).
Dale R. Newberry
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 02:43:07 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
To: Freaks R Us <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Songs
Message-ID: <33E025EB.5B19939A@geocities.com>
Hi there!
I went to Dr. Mosh's FTP site to get DT's YNM, and ended up downloading
all the stuff around there (at least, all the stuff I hadn't heard yet).
=)
Here are some comments:
DT - YNM: the sample has a poor sound quality, some skipping, but you
can get a nice sample. I loved it! =) It does not sound like Awake nor
like IAW, but I loved it. :)
Stratovarius - The Abyss of your Eyes: Man! I need to get some album of
theirs urgently! That song is still rocking my nadz. =) Heavy stuff,
incredible playing, nice vocals... WOW.
Symphony X - Eyes of Medusa: it got some listenings for me to get into
their sound, I think because of the vocals. But it's a great song, and
I'm pretty interested in listening more from them. I have a .MP2 of
other song, but it's pretty short...
Eldritch - Chalice of Insanity & Colors: Man, do they rock or what?
(Can I say "speed-prog metal"?) I'm gonna need some money for all this
stuff!!! =)
The only thing I haven't got yet is those "Cálice" tunes, but the one I
got (not complete, I lost the connection in the middle) is pretty
interesting.
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/------------------------------
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:18:52 +0000 From: "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: boots Message-ID: <199708082114.QAA15431@Walden.MO.NET>
> Well, "Wake Up" is the same boot as "Mind Control", with a lot > less editing (for instance, LaBrie says something about the show being > broadcast that "Mind Control" doesn't have). It has decent sound quality > and I think that it is a bargain for $25 (it is a double CD). Yeah, it was me in my dumbassedness that got those two mixed up. I only remembered one was a double CD and for some reason wrote Wake Up as that one, so it was Wake Up that was $50, I think. Man, I do need to check that out again. > If you are interested in the JPPV, then you may get it from > Melissa Barh for $10 (they have the broadcast and they are selling copies > from their SVHS source). Email <emerald@goodnet.com> for more information. I've already got a good copy on video, but was curious if the video I saw in the store was the same one, just in case I might feel like buying it, I don't want two of the same thing :). Dale R. Newberry
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:47:03 +0200 From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: excuse me !! Message-ID: <33EB93D7.86D982D6@algonet.se>
> From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE> > Subject: excuse me !! > > Hi > > Please excuse me. >
fuck no.
> I've send you a massage 4 times, but it was a mistake. >
I don't recall any massages sent to me...
> My server go's down so I wasn't sure if I have send it or not. >
goes...in fact, it should be went...[this is constructive]
> I have got also no mails since yesterday, so please can enybody send me > the digests from today ? Thank you >
no, enybody can't send you the digest from today...couldn't you read the instructions when you got the introduction message?
> This fucking server is really shit. >
hey, don't insult the server, people put alot of efforts into running it, and you hurt their feelings...you should be ashamed...
> Anyway I hope you will enjoy the new songs. I think they are great. > > What Do you think ? >
that something is not right since the mp3's [probably my fault] seem to be fucked up...eh...I mean, I don't want to hear anything off the new album until it comes out, I can wait, I'm patient enough and I don't want to judge the album by some low quality crappy files...
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:58:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Wake Up! Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970808174952.3173A-100000@galileo.cris.com>
A brief word on the boot 2CD set "Wake Up!":
Yes, this is the same show as "Mind Control", which is a soundboard recording and sounds very good.
Yes, "Wake Up!" is the unedited version which includes the John Myung birthday celebration and a prayer for the victims of the recent earthquake. Basically it's all of the audio from the Japanese Pay-Per-View video.
HOWEVER, if you listen closely to the right channel of disc two of "Wake Up!" you will hear a low-level signal of what appears to me to be an Italian radio station broadcast. It is particularly noticeable when listening through headphones. This undesireable signal is NOT on the "Mind Control" boot, which to me, makes the latter more desirable to own.
Hope this helps,
Rick Audet
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 18:18:51 -0400 From: Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YNM (yet another comment) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970808221851.0068c514@serv01.net-link.net>
Oh, one more thing about YNM,
Has anyone noticed how cool 3:11-3:12 is in this song? My favorite part! It is technical! And as far as edited, there is like a full 33 seconds that isn't on teh mp3 file. That means it is edited whoever it was who was wondering what people meant by saying it was edited!
Damn, I never shut up... Who's voice is that in the beginning of the mp3 file? Saying "Dream THeater returns on Eastwest..." What is that all about? Did some radio program air this, or what???
Jason
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:47:52 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Black Knights Always Triumph! Message-ID: <199708082247.PAA17940@main.cfmc.com>
Hey folks...
I've been SLAVING the last few weeks (I haven't had a code-free day in almost a month now, and have been working, on average, about 15 hour a day), so I haven't really done a great job keeping up. And then stuff happens!
What is this about an MP2 file of the new stuff? Who has this? I haven't yet heard it. I hate it as much as anyone when someone out of the loop starts asking questions that are IN the loop, but I read through about a dozen digests without seeing any source. Of course, if there IS one...my at-work T1 line would like to know. Send me some e-mail....
>From: caber1@concentric.net >Subject: Opinions are like nothing else!
I LIKE that title. Just resonates with me....in touch with who I am today, you know?
>From: hagai sadot <"winkle@internet-zahav.net"@parker.inter.net.il>
>i bought the rush tribute cd a long time ago, practicaly 2 days after it finally got to >my small neglected israel, and i was realy all excited about it in the first few weeks >but now i feel that it's that great of a cd. after all, all the guys who played there >simply made thing more complicated, which exactly the oposite of RUSH's idea, i mean, >RUSH's songs have always been technicaly simple ( mostly) but still they were great. >but the new cd, althugh very impressive and has an excellent sound unlike rush's >originals, is nothin' special, they simply turned 1/16 to 1/32 and so on. >anyone can do that. ofcourse there r some great stuff there like analog kid, the trees >and more. BY THE WAY: if u listen carefuly, you can hear on portnoy's drum solo in track >2, that when he goes down from whatever percussion it is to the low toms his stick hit >each other by mistake, making this anoying sound which u can't ignore after u >recognize...
Really? Hmmm...I'd never really thought of Rush's music as being "technically simple" at all. I mean, not every song is over the top, but I'm a decent bassist and I'd say Rush's music is pretty damn difficult at times. I KNOW most of the songs, sure, but they don't fall as easily under the fingers as a lot of music.
Anyhow, I sorta agree with the larger message above...that all the playing on the album is, in the main, window dressing. But that's the point of a cover album -- to put a little bit of your own personality into the music. I'm not EXPECTING Steve Morse to lay back and play half- and quarter-notes throughout his solo. That's not really what the guy does. I LIKED the album...I thought it was great....and I'm a diehard Rush fan. Stu does some cool syncopated stuff on "YYZ," Sebastian Bach sounds surprisingly good on "Jacob's Ladder," Mark Slaughter sounds...well, Billy Sheehan plays well on the record all the way around. And the one guy who put his stamp on the record most obviously, Deven Townshend, has been slammed for doing so.
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 18:34:59 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ytsejam site Message-ID: <33ED1AC3.69A4@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
I haven't left, yet! :) Anyway, I quickly put the infamous TRASH post(thanks Brian!) on http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/2529/trash.html
If anyone has any other famous posts, email them to me! Since I can't access most of my older jams(from my previous email program screwing me over!), I would, like, be grateful, or something! :)
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:27:40 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'The ungrateful maggots Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: grunge and sell-outs Message-ID: <01BCA464.1FB260C0@ns.globalxs.nl>
Elvis "Master" Batur wrote :
> The first time I heard "Lie" was on tv, before the album was out. > I almost broke the tv, I remember swearing at Dream Theater, call > them grunge and sell-outs.
Nice attitude. Of course, THE Elvis liked breaking TV's too.
Somehow, I think most 'Jammers are just *waiting* for Dream Theater to dissappoint them. This list seems to be full of frustrated quasi music experts, who think they know what they're talking about. What the fuck happened to just being a *fan* ? All I see is criticism... People trying to find something wrong with everything Dream Theater does and then putting the blame on anything or anyone, ranging from Kevin Shirley for just plain sucking to Mike PornToy for supposedly being a liar. If one song fucks up the list *this* bad, I am afraid to even wonder what'll happen when the album is released...
Oh well,
Mark ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THE YTSEJAM : _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ Address: ytsejam-request@ax.com |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ Subject: asdf |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ Message: unsubscribe ytsejam <yourname> |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Itchy's http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ H Website http://www.a-vip.com/H They are fuckin' TRASH. I'd put them in a trash can. FUCK YOU !!! DIE !!!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:22:05 -0600 From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: excuse me !! Message-ID: <199708090027.RAA04103@odin.ax.com>
>Please excuse me.
It's alright, It's OK, I didn't smell anything.
>I've send you a massage 4 times, but it was a mistake.
Keep yer freakin' hand offa me fannyboy!
>This is getting dangerously close to a certain pseudo - meat product >commonly served with eggs... :)
You mean that isn't real meat? What do they make it from then (or do I wanna know?) Hormel makes the best food, or the closest thing to it.
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::)
You put that thing away!
>Also, Is it just me, or does the end of YNM sound like "Secret Square"
Nah. Not even close. I always laughed though when people picked the wrong box and got the dragon. TIC TAC DOUGH! But the intro to Status Seeker kind of sounded like the theme song for Press Your Luck. Anyone else think so?
>> My server go's down so I wasn't sure if I have send it or not.
>goes...in fact, it should be went...[this is constructive]
<HYPOCRITE> /me beats Seroussi over the head with a stout cudgel. :) Don't make fun of people's bad grammar! </HYPOCRITE>
>What the fuck happened to just being a *fan* ?
No shit! /me oscillates back and forth circulating air throughout the room.
Damn, I'm bored. KorgX3 KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
------------------------------
End of YTSEJAM Digest 2839 **************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 17:59:45 EST