YTSEJAM Digest 2846
Today's Topics:
1) More info on Fates, Kevin Moore
by John Murphey <murphey@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
2) Re: your mail
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
3) IMPORTANT CD-RELATED STUFF!!!
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
4) I've done it !
by gra@provida.no
5) FUCK YOU ALL
by Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
6) TAKE YOUR "MULOTS" MOUSES AND SHOVE THEM UP YOUR ASSES
by Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
7) HELP!!
by gra@provida.no
8) (no subject)
by Donna R Cain <"poppee@poppee"@caribe.net>
9) *************LICK OF THE WEEK************** and others....
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
10) 8-p
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
11) Umm...
by Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
12)
by Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
13) Re: Umm...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
14) Sequencers and Time Signatures....
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
15) Nos-Nah
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 02:13:32 -0500
From: John Murphey <murphey@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More info on Fates, Kevin Moore
Message-ID: <33EEBB9C.6C70@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
>>He (Mark) played drums on Kevin Moore's new album - Chromakey (or something)
Joey Vera also is contributing to Chromakey, and Kevin supplies vocals.
>>They have a permanent keyboardist now (forget his name) and plan to keep
>>him and not hire a second guitarist.
The tour keyboardist is Ed Roth, but it is not clear to me that he will
be the permanent keyboardist.
>>They are hoping to do a second European and US tour later tis year in some
>>more not-so-out-of-the-way places.
Another US tour! I am psyched! With the new DT coming soon, 97 is a
year to remember!
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:32:38 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: roadrunnermgood@webtv.net (michael good)
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: your mail
Message-ID: <199708110732.AAA04672@goodnet.com>
> Has it ever been exposed by either song or album ect., that Dream
> Theater has dabbled with satanism or spiritism?
No... and I'm kinda curious why you ask. The band members are all
pretty standard folks. Portnoy is Jewish, Moore is Catholic, and the other
members of the band are various flavors of Christian. In fact, the flaming
heart from Images and Words was a direct copy of the SHJ.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:48:04 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IMPORTANT CD-RELATED STUFF!!!
Message-ID: <199708110748.AAA05975@goodnet.com>
Hi all!!
Wow, what a week. It's been about as good and bad as it can
possibly be, all at once. I'll just share the good because the remaining
bad doesn't really affect any of you.
The really good: The 4x CD burner works so fuckin' well, I'm in
heaven!!! And, Experience to Extremes' first 15 sets or so shipped on
time. Expect them in your grubby hands soon, early birds!
The AWESOME: For you folks, anyway. My prices are to be lowered.
Watch my update page for the full skinny on this. It won't affect any
orders currently in the mail, so those of you who have them going out,
don't sweat it. If you were waiting to send monday, all $25 discs are now
$20, and the difference carries over across the board. There weren't many
people caught in the overlap, so hopefully I won't upset anyone by this.
This has been made possible by several things. First, I got word
that the CDR labels were jamming in peoples' car stereos and in
magazine-style multi-CD players. So I'm dropping them, and while that
leaves the discs looking rather boring, it saves you about $1.40.
Secondly, the price of media has dropped a lot over the past few months.
On the scale of the number of copies I make on a daily basis, it
represents around a $2.20-$2.40 savings per disc. Thirdly, Gilbert sales
tax got lowered slightly. More on my page about that. Finally, I'm
dropping about a dollar in profit from each unit. I don't foresee problems
with this because the volume of sales will make up for it, plus as the
price of media continues to drop, it will cover for the missing dollar.
This price cut makes Prism Records order prices standard across
the board, whether it's for one of my custom releases or one of the
Italian boot replicas. I also think they're easily the best prices in the
world for collectibles of this nature, at last glance. I hope this makes
my buyers happy... this means YOU! :)
On other notes... Virtual Songs and Critical Mass are now sold OUT
and there are no current plans to put them into replication. Also Scenes
from a Memory is sold out and IS now available as a CDR replica. It even
has the original packaging because I was given like 500 extra liners! :)
Anyway, tons of thanks to all of you who bought (and are still
buying) my sale stuff during the emergency, and thanks a million to those
of you who have been patient through all this delay and hardship. You're
the greatest.
Dream Theater "Mosaic" orders will open 8/23/97. Tracklistings
will be posted shortly. It's a single CD.
Updates: I've added some more available stuff in the new update
also. Veteran Jammers already know what to look for. Those of you who just
joined this mailing list, you may wish to take a look at the web site
mentioned in my signature below. I think you'll enjoy what you see.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:16:56 +0100
From: gra@provida.no
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I've done it !
Message-ID: <412564F0.0031FCB0.00@oslo1.provida.no>
>*********************** LICK OF THE WEEK *************************
Yeah, I went to this whore house just a couple of miles ...... No,
seriously, this is a good idea.
This will keep all you shredders busy 'till the new DT CD arrives. But,
what about all the
drummers, bass players, keyboardists, harp players, violinists etc. out
there ????
I downloaded the YNM, and I instantly knew I shouldn't have ! This was not
the kind of
song I would connect to DT. This doesn't mean the song sucks, i'ts just
different ....
Anyway, I'm still going to buy Falling Into Infidelity ..........
-.profile [The faithful one]
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 01:52:23 -0700
From: Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FUCK YOU ALL
Message-ID: <33EED2C6.D655355A@ix.netcom.com>
I see that some motherfuckers have tried to shut my e-mail down, well i
don't care about the one in hotmail, go ahead and shut it down, but you
better not touch to the one in netcom, because if you do fuck it up, i
am going to rape you all bastards, yes you'll see!
What have i done anyway? i just offenced some little cocksucker that
couldn't speak one sword of english, so what, this way, he will never
learn, i mean learn, ya...
so, i'll tell you one thing, i thought you would support me and kick out
this little non-english speaking bastard, who deserve to die, but you
started at me!
so Fuck you all motherfuckers, ya you heard me!
for those you don't know the story, here is some stuff people have
posted and the ranking in stars i gave:
Message 1
>What the hell happened to the Ytsejam? This is the lowest filth I
think I've ever seen produced by the list!
Ya, this sucks, dream theater sucks
Ranking:*****
Message2
W.r.t. : opppppinion:
How do you spell Dr. D's name?
D R E A M H E A D
>(dream head??? what the hell??)
Was that one of the shittiest posts or what?
>{this sucks}
I mean, Dr. D was *REALLY* showing off his grasp of the English language
by
using fluent and eloquent terms such as "motherfucker" and "asshole".
>I know more than that, even the words your mom didn't thaught you!
I mean, I don't know about everyone else, but I was **highly** impressed
by this guy's tact and talent. Such splendor; such wit; such an
appropriate way to put down someone struggling with the English language
to improve their skills, this arash sucks!
>you take on ARASH??
Now, to use terminology that Dr. D might POSSIBLY comprehend:
This half-brained son of a bitch (Myself) should have his ass wiped off
the
jam. The guy who made a few English mistakes was only trying to fuck us
up
with their viewpoint, so GO ON,! Big deal, they made a few
typos and English errors. I haven't seen it here before.
It's also easy to make a typo. What do we have to be, secretaries or
English professors? Just shut the fuck up and don't ever post again on
the jam arash, if that's all you have to say!
-JCase
Ranking:***
Message3
I kniw it's the same wee.wee guy, but in the end it's some moron that
just wants to fuck up the list, so stop posting about what a god he is.
It's quite blatantly obvious, you don't have to remind us all.
>yes, in fact, it is obvious
Arash,
I don't know why the guy decided to take it on you, but I hope you
didn't get the wrong impression. Don't let one guy spoil it for you.
I'm
sure a lot of jammers (including me) would do the same thing he did,
your
mp3's on your page don't work. Just weed out all the assholes like me
and you'll find the jam to be a cool place. But the Fucking Idiots are
cool ppl though:)
>I AM COOL??????????????
laterz,
Ernie
Ranking:**
Message 4
> It's fucking lameass 28.8k fuckers like you that are fucking up the
> Internet! You send mp3 shit that don't work! Take your fucking AOL
shit
> and shove it up your ass! Dipshits like you that are fucking clogging
> up the Internet the way you clog up your dad's ass make me sick! I'd
> fucking kick your ass. Why did you say you sent massages? you fuckin
> asshole
I count seven "fuck" words. Can he replace George Lucas's 1st place
position of being the most immature ytsejam poster? We'll have to wait
and
see.
>>George lucas? he came here?
Ranking:*
Message 5
>Fuck you,
>Justin
I couldn't have said it better myself, you loser.
>> What did you say, I am not a loser! dr1982 is, i am not the same
person, you motherfucker, i am cleverer than him, yeah, he sucks!
Ranking:*
Message 6
Did anyone else notice this or is it just me? It appears our wonderful
Dr.
D and our beloved Justin James, who both seemed to haven't suddenly
sprouted from the bowels of Hell itself seem to be the same person.
Anyone
wanting to condemn this bastards, send gripe letters to
abuse@hotmail.com
(For the Dr. D mails) and Netcom doesn't appear to have a gripe forum so
just gripe to support@ix.netcom.com (for the Justin James mails) Be
sure
to forward them an original message in order for your complaint to be
viable. Let's keep intolerant shit like this offa the net.
And don't repost the whole damn thing to the 'jam like I just dumbly
did.
*blush*
KorgX3
KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
Hey fuck you asshole! you motherfucker, you are the same person as
dr1982, everybody listen he is dr1982! you can shut down dr1982@hotmail
if you want, but don't touch netcom, ok? if you touch it i won't be able
to come answer your fuckin letters!
EVERYBODY, PLEASE FUCK OFF! ARASH DESERVES TO BE PUT DOWN,
i have been here for 1 year! everybody knows me, arash is new! fuck off
arash!
I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY THINKS I AM NOT GUILTY!
jury1:not guilty
jury2:not guilty
jury3:not guilty
jury4:not guilty:
arash: GIIIILLLTYY (sorry, i can't write in english, i am a retarded!)
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 01:53:38 -0700
From: Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TAKE YOUR "MULOTS" MOUSES AND SHOVE THEM UP YOUR ASSES
Message-ID: <33EED312.1E8DB4E8@ix.netcom.com>
take the mouse and shove it up your ass, cocksuckers!
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:24:26 +0100
From: gra@provida.no
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: HELP!!
Message-ID: <412564F0.003DC967.00@oslo1.provida.no>
This is way outta topic for this list, but ytsejam has some hillarious
people subbed ....
I need some help here!
One of my friends is getting married, thus I must arrange a
bachelor party!! Have any of you guys som ideas for my party ??
Please help me (private e-mail) !!!
-.profile [My Mind Is Glowing]
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 06:59:57 -0300
From: Donna R Cain <"poppee@poppee"@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <199708111118.HAA29269@mail.caribe.net>
please stop sending me this stuff- unsubscribe me - cease- desist
what are the magic words to make you stop?
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:33:29 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: *************LICK OF THE WEEK************** and others....
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970811103329.006852c4@mail.telepac.pt>
*************************LICK OF THE WEEK*************************
Ahh! MICHAEL ANGELO ! The flawless picking machine. The janitor on
crack in disguise...with is trusty glazed donut. :)
Here it is one of his best known licks (no need to thank me):
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|------------ohh..fuck it..just play up and down as fast as you can.
/sarcasm off
I have some Michael's excercises from a few Total Guitar issues
and I also have is video. Does anyone have other stuff?
I also heard Steve Vai was releasing an official 'Fire Garden'
backing CD. Is it avaliable yet?
Does anyone already have the complete CAKEWALK 6.0?
___
| Pedro Filipe
___ * | * ___
| * | * | Francisco Miguel
*| \ | / |* (FleXable)
* | \ /|\ / | *
* | \ / | \ / | *
* | \ | / | * *
* | / \ | / \ | *
* | / \|/ \ | * "Better to save the mystery
*| / | \ |* than surrender to the secret"
_|_* | *_|_
* | * DREAM THEATER
_|_
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:57:33 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 8-p
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970811105733.00674ac0@mail.telepac.pt>
I'm bored as shit.
Just check out my new sig!!!!
___
| Pedro Filipe
___ * | * ___
| * | * | Francisco Miguel
*| \ | / |* (FleXable)
* | \ /|\ / | *
* | \ / | \ / | *
* | \ | / | * *
* | / \ | / \ | *
* | / \|/ \ | * "To: ytsejam@ax.com
*| / | \ |* Subject: asdf
_|_* | *_|_ Message: unsubscribe DT"
* | *
_|_ DREAM THEATER
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:02:12 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Umm...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970811080211.00683cdc@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca>
>I mean, Dr. D was *REALLY* showing off his grasp of the English language by
>using fluent and eloquent terms such as "motherfucker" and "asshole".
People, this "dr d" guy is just trolling. He's probably George Farber.
Anyway, he wanted MP3 files? I hope he likes the 20 megs of them I just
put in his mailbox. :) Anyway, mailing list ettiquette 101: when an idiot
like this guy comes onto a mailing list, e-mail postmaster@wherever he
posted from, and CC: a copy to abuse@wherever just to be sure. If his ISP
gets a lot of complaints, I'm sure they'll do something.
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:06:41 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970811080640.00683cdc@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca>
>I count seven "fuck" words. Can he replace George Farber's 1st place
>position of being the most immature ytsejam poster? We'll have to wait and
>see.
The sad thing was he didn't even write that. :) He took the flame I sent
him via e-mail, altered it, and posted it back on the Jam. You have to be
a pretty big loser to plagerize (I don't have a fucking clue how to spell
that word) other people's flames. :)
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:50:51 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Umm...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970811094847.7587A-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Lars Hellsten wrote:
> put in his mailbox. :) Anyway, mailing list ettiquette 101: when an idiot
> like this guy comes onto a mailing list, e-mail postmaster@wherever he
> posted from, and CC: a copy to abuse@wherever just to be sure. If his ISP
> gets a lot of complaints, I'm sure they'll do something.
Well, you may CC: to root@his.site just to make sure. And yes, it
is a nice thing that you'll be doing to the whole Internet community. And
don't forget to complain about spammers on the newsgroups too.
[]s tired of people that don't respect other's freedom, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:52:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sequencers and Time Signatures.... Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.970811082119.89846C-100000@acs3.bu.edu>
Chris Oates wrote: > > Unfortunately, most (if not all) sequencers do not handle tempo > correctly. > If you set a tempo of 80 with a meter of 4/4, then it's 80 quarter note > beats per minute, which is as it should be. However, if you have 4/8 > and > a > tempo of 80, it's still 80 _QUARTER NOTES_ mer minute, rather than 80 > eighth notes, which would make more sense.
Actually, tempo and time signature are two totally different things. 4/8 is the same thing as 2/4, and so a tempo of 80 bpm in 4/4 is exactly the same as 80 bpm in 2/4. Changing the time signature does not change the tempo. Let's break it down a little further...
80 beats per minute = 1 1/3 beats per second = .75 Hz Think of the tempo designation as a frequency. In the case of 80 bpm, in one second 1.3333... beats (quarter notes) have gone by, reciprocally, one quarter note takes .75 seconds.
Now, if you have a 4/4 measure in which two quarter notes take place in one second, the tempo is 120 bpm. Now change the time signature to 4/8. Now how many quarter notes take place in one second? Two!
So in fact, sequencers keep the time/tempo distinction exactly as they should.
> So, when calculating the > tempos > for sequencing, you should keep in mind that a sequencer's tempo is > always > in quarter notes per minute and not in beats per minute.
So what's the definition of beat?
> a number, and not with the corresponding note value. In a 6/8 piece, > for > example, you'd want to measure in dotted quarter notes per minute, since > that is the beat value in 6/8.
Well, I guess you kinda have to do some math there. A lot of the time people think of 6/8 as 2/4 with a compound meter (triplet subdivisions), when in fact, it is just 3/4 with the accents on the 1 and the "and" of 2. But a lot of the time the tempo marking is given as a dotted quarter note being equal to a certain number.... A dotted quarter note is 1.5 times the gate length of a quarter note, so to translate the dotted quarter note tempo designation into its "sequencer-friendly" equivalent, multiply the dotted quarter note tempo by 1/1.5 = 2/3.
This is exactly the debate that people had gotten into with the intro to The Mirror a long time ago.... People had all these crazy time signatures and whatnot, when it was simply just 4/4 and 3/4. And no, the tempo does not change.
Hope this helped anyone that may be interested in this stuff. Now back to your regularly scheduled cussing by people with free email accounts.....
Brian
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:35:32 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Nos-Nah Message-ID: <199708111237.PAA08560@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
>> for being extreeeeeeeeeeeemly stupid, ugly, playing mooshy songs >> and being called HANSON? I think that they r probably the most >> un-definable band i've ever seen, in the bad sense of the phrase.
That would be "indefinable". Then again, I've heard it defined pretty well. The definition was "120% pop-rock".
> Yes, they should most definitely be executed.
Given that the guys are 11, 13 and 16 years old, I see nothing wrong in that little identity crisis. After all, they're actually pretty good at doing whatever it is they're doing. Give them a couple, no, ten years. Let's judge grown up musicians instead of kids who aren't graduated high school yet.
As for those who got the idea that I worship Hanson, you're wrong. :-)
Their next single will be released under the name of Nos-Nah, it'll be called "BBB-Mom". The record company will fire the two elder kids and hire some new musicians, a 31-year-old and a 61-year-old dude.
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
Be reasonable -- demand the impossible!
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