YTSEJAM Digest 2849
Today's Topics:
1) Bahr bootlegs
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
2) YFFL closed!!!!
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
3) Who Is This "Crack Baby" Justin James Anyway?
by Me <"Not Given Out"@.com>
4) Ray Alder and Ytsejam shirt and the internet
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
5) The State of the Ytsejam Digress
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) Bahr-ed?
by acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu
7) fantasy football (ATTN CHEAPSKATES)
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
8) Tolerance and appreciation
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
9) Ytse-pix, Fish, Piece of shit
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
10) Last chance
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
11) Re: arash=piece of shit
by jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2845
by jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:18:38 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bahr bootlegs
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970811151838.009a4400@pophost.fore.com>
Regarding the Bahr bootlegs:
I agree with what Roger stated about capitalism ruling itself, and if
people want to pay for these recordings, then all the power to Mike in
charging what he knows people will pay. I've often thought of copying the
previously existing bootlegs, and selling them on the jam, and I still may.
What I don't like is the fact that Mike has an unfair advantage, of having
a contact who supplies him with the material, thus, his product will be
much better and much more sought after - therefore ruining the whole
capitalism principle. In a true capitalistic system, I could create the
same CD (or similar in material), and offer it at a competitive price,
which most likely would drive Mike's price down. But since Mike has the
connection, I'll never be able to get my hands on that stuff, so Mike
remains a monopoly, and like the gas company, he can charge what he wants.
Thank god for deregulation.
To sum it up, I think copying the already existing bootlegs is fine, since
many people have access to the new material - not to mention the fact that
we didn't bootleg it. I'll copy them, and try to sell them for less than
Mike does, then he'll bring his price down, and I'll bring mine down more,
until eventually, we're barely breaking even. The consumer wins this way,
and should be able to get a single CD boot for well under $20. However, I
think Mike has an unfair advantage with the Prism Records bootlegs that he
produces, and the material should be readily available to everyone on the
list, for the cost that Mike pays for it - which most likely is not a cent.
This material should be freely distributed via tape trees, and then if
several people want to cut CDs from the material, then at least there would
be fair competition.
Here's another idea: how about if I pay someone $10 to lend me your
Precious Things CD, I'll copy it and sell replicas for $9 a piece. This
will be only the music, no cover and no jewel case (to cut down on mass
postage costs), but at least you'll have the music for $9. This is
hypothetical, but I wouldn't feel the slightest bit guilty about it, since
it would be introducing some much needed competition into the picture, and
also because the material isn't Mike's anyway.
Anyway, I've actually rambled way too long about this, because frankly I
don't really care that much. I just wanted to add my 2 cents about the
whole bootleg/capatilism thing.
KAI
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:46:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YFFL closed!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970811154119.10269D-100000@bdmserver>
Well the Ytsejam Fantasy Football League is now filled up. If you were
thinking of joining then you are out of luck unless you want to make a
YFFL 2.
The teams in YFFL:
1 Patsville Predators, Pat Daugherty
2 London Ultraviolence, J.M. Blevins
3 B.U. Blazars, Jeremy Hallum
4 Glen Burnie Liquid Shadows, Jason Hartman
5 Mill City Birds of Prey, Dana Boisvert
6 Augie's Northeast Storm, Heath Augustover
7 Alabama Lines In The Sod, Mark Peters
8 Purple People Eaters, Ryan Hallum
9 Cape St. Claire Musicsnobs, kevin madden
10 Hampshire Hounds, Robert Rivers
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:50:36 -0400
From: Me <"Not Given Out"@.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Who Is This "Crack Baby" Justin James Anyway?
Message-ID: <33EF6D0C.4A20@.com>
This Guy Ever Hear Of Lithium? Try It Son, It Get's Rid Of Those
Annoying Voices In Your Head. Justin Seems To Have A Bug About The Size
Of An Abrams Tank Up His A**. Let's Start The "GIVE A BUG A BREAK" Fund
And Help Him Out OK Folx?
G E T A F R I K K I N' L I F
E
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:58:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ray Alder and Ytsejam shirt and the internet
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970811155456.10269E-100000@bdmserver>
When I was talking to Ray after the show Friday, he made note of my
Ytsejam shirt. He asked if I was on the internet and stuff. He says he
knows nothing about the net and once his wife was trying to get him to
come read something on the net but he wouldn't hear of it.
He said he liked my shirt and said "I didn't get one".
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:11:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The State of the Ytsejam Digress
Message-ID: <199708112011.PAA13249@enteract.com>
NEWER SUBSCRIBERS, PLEASE TAKE NOTE
-----------------------------------
We have hit an all time low as far as the quality : garbage post ratio on the Ytsejam.
I would like to impress upon you all that there is much value to this list, and that the
greater majority of Ytsejammers (likely yourselves included) truly abhor the types of
insulting derogatory posts we've been receiving so frequently. It has not always been this
bad, and Skadz is competent enough to take care of these issues, even if it may evenually mean
blocking free e-mail services from posting to the Ytsejam. One bad apple can screw everything
up for a lot of people.
Arash, I want to apologize on behalf of the digest for that child's behavior. He
will be dealt with... we have many here among us who are probably already getting this guy's
accounts turned off. Please don't think that he is a typical jammer... we are 900+, and there
are very few people who act _that_ immature.
VETERAN JAMMERS
---------------
You are the people who know how to use this list. None of the real veterans would
spam the list with flames at someone who's obviously just an imbecile, trying to cause
problems. Take Wacky's advice, and just ignore the problems on the list, or make Skadz and
the offender's ISP aware of the situation, in an adult and civilized manner. "I have been on
this list for a year" is absolutely meaningless. Have the respect to judge whether or not
something warrants your public attention, or realize that you're going to annoy more people
than you amuse. I'm as guilty of this oversight as any, but I realize when I make a mistake,
and I don't perpetuate it. Our commenting on how moronic and disrespectful these recent posts
have been will not assist anyone in preventing the problem.
I encourage you to e-mail the offenders directly if you feel you need to discuss the
issues with him or her. If you must flame someone who absolutely has no mind, then keep it in
Private e-mail, and CC: someone@prognosis.com, if ya think it was pretty funny.
Lets clean up the jam!
--
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511
http://www.enteract.com (business)
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to
--------------------------------- the vast wealth of
"To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped
one's brain with an orally | web sites)
deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| ****************
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:15:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bahr-ed?
Message-ID: <199708112015.NAA02162@odin.ax.com>
>Okay, so not only does Mike Bahr take music that is not his own, put in
>on CDs and sell them to ytsejammers for about ten times what they cost
>to make, he makes and sells *copies* of products made by other companies
>whose products consist CDs of music that is not *their* own. Am I
>missing something?
yes.
>Sorry Mike, it should read: Dream Theater "Falling Into Infinity," will
>be in stores on Tuesday, September 23.
cool. thanks for telling us. . .. got any other
up-to-date-blow-your-socks-off information? . . . <snxx>
> Isn't that, ummm, well, uhhhhh, WACKED?!
nope.
>I'm probably going to get flamed to oblivion for this, but I'm really
>sick and tired of seeing your huge posts about all the different CDs
>you've made of Dream Theater's music and your hardships and "the
>emergency" and all that garbage. Oooooohh Mike Bahr had to sell his
>beloved video games! Clearly all hell has broken loose!
if hell broke loose, you opened the door. I'm going to restrain myself to
benefit you. . .. since I'm probly not the first to say something.
Hey if you want to be a stand-out, this little stint did it for you because.
. .. well, this is the first I've seen of someone NOT wanting to see a Bahr
post.
length is irrelevant. . .. resistance is futile. ;)
>wrap it up, put some
>stupid "Prism Records" label on there, and ship it out the door (or get
>your wife to do it) for the low-low price of $25 a pop. (or $23.50 or
>whatever the new bargain bonanza price is)
. . .is this a joke??
>If you want to keep making your, ummm, I mean their CDs, go right ahead,
>seeing as how you've got the approval of 1/5 of the band and everything,
>but please don't go making huge posts to the jam about your personal
>yard sales and "IMPORTANT CD-RELATED STUFF" (and other all-capital
>subjects that sound like some new Dream Theater content, when in reality
>are just your sales pitches).
. .. . this must be a joke. . . .
>And what you're doing is legal because the CD's aren't being made in the
>United States, right? "...one small part of the production takes place
>in Luxembourg...", so it's not like you have a CD-R at your place in
>Arizona and you're producing the CDs. Oh, good. I'm sure your friend
>Luxembourg is doing that part. Right.
oh yeah, his secret lover in Luxembourg,. . .. .darn folks, he's figuring
out the whole master plan!!!
>To people other than Mike Bahr: All of the material on his CDs is out
>there. He's not the spout of all that is rare.
he's not?? well, feel like "spouting" a list then??
>Just my $.02. Well, more like $.04 I guess. Oh well.
how 'bout no sense?
. . .. this HAS to be a joke.. .. cause if it's not I feel bad for you. .
.in my own apathetic way. ;)
Nermal.
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:21:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
To: Ytsecadabra! <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: fantasy football (ATTN CHEAPSKATES)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970811151834.22181A-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
hey y'all...
if you're like me, and want to join in on the fantasy football fun, but
are extremely cheap (and don't have a credit card anyway), then check out
the *free* fantasy football game at cnnsi.com (http://www.cnnsi.com/ -
for those of you who are URLImpaired). my friend and i have a private
league started, and there will be somewhere between 5 and 8 open spots
for other peoples. email me if you're interested.
peace,
id
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:17:40 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The ungrateful maggots Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tolerance and appreciation
Message-ID: <01BCA6A6.079AD1E0@Traveler.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Elvis wrote :
>> Nice attitude. Of course, THE Elvis liked breaking TV's too.
>
> READ again Mark: "the FIRST time I heard LIE".
Well, it only takes that one first time to break a TV, doesn't it ;-)
> All I meant is that one's first impression of a new song can change
> with time.
I know, my response to your post was actually just an introduction to
something I wanted to get off my chest... nothing personal :-)
_____
Arash Ashouriha wrote :
> I'm not German and English is my second foreign language.
It must be hard not being able to communicate in your own
language most of the time :-/
> I try my best and you use all these swearwords.
That's Ytsejammers for ya. ;-)
> All I wanted was to give an opportunity for all real DT fans to hear
> some new stuff that I've heard allready in April 97.
And I for one appreciate it.
_____
"dr d" (dr1982@hotmail.com) bitched :
> Hi
> come on people what's your oppinion about "Burinig My soul", "Just Let
> Me Breath" and "Preuvian Skies" ?
> you made a mistake, it is not: oppinion, it is: oppppinion
> my opppinion about "Burning My soul" is that it su, suu, suuucks, there
> i got it!
> Didn't your mother teach how to spppppeak english, what did she teach
> you motherfucker?
> You fuckin dumbass, can't you speak? ok, it's not the first time:
> Sorround go's massage
> so, you see, you are born retarded, where is your dictionary, did you
> shove it up your ass?
You are not being a dick, you are an intolerant piece of shit.
I think this is the perfect time for all you native English speaking
people to realize that a *big* part of the Ytsejammers actually have
problems expressing themselves in your language. Instead of bitching
about their use of English, *appreciate* the fact that they at least
*try* to use it. Maybe it's far from perfect, but what other fucking
languages do YOU speak ? (I'm Dutch, btw)
Arash Ashouriha wrote that he isn't German eventhough he lives there
and English is his second foreign language... How would YOU feel, if
you had to speak another language in 'real life' and yet ANOTHER one
on the Internet... I for one appreciate it, every time someone tries
to express him or herself in English, knowing it is not their native
language...
> "Just let me breath", the mp3 song, i donwloaded it and it didn't work,
Worked just fine for me.
> you motherfucker, you can't even make a mp3 song, you fuckin asshole,
> you wasted the time of everyone.
No, *you* are the motherfucking asshole wasting everyone's time.
> ALL THE SONGS YOU MADE DON'T WORK, YOU MENTAL RETARD!!
They all worked for me. Did you even bother to download the other two ?
> your web site sucks, what can you do right motherfucker?
Heh, I put a link to his site on "Under A Cyber Moon", though...
Unlike yourself, his site shows potential. His site is still under
CONstruction... All you seem to be interested in is DEstruction...
> YOU SEND SOME MASSAGES??? you fuckin asshole???
You didn't like 'em ?
> ---------------LET YOUR DICTIONARY SURROUND YOUR ASS-----------------
------------------LET TOLERANCE SURROUND YOUR ASS--------------------
Mark
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They are fuckin' TRASH. I'd put them in a trash can. FUCK YOU !!! DIE !!!
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:29:58 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The ungrateful maggots Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ytse-pix, Fish, Piece of shit
Message-ID: <01BCA6A6.2DF145E0@Traveler.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Satu Reunanen wrote :
> About those pix about us jammers, that would be cool. I'd
> be interested to know who I'm "talking" to. Not that the face
> really matters, but it would be great to put together faces
> and stories.
There are already lots of Ytsejammer pictures and descriptions
on the YtseWeb page on "Under A Cyber Moon" :
http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
These are all people who can often be found in #Ytsejam on IRC
but most of them are also on this list. If you are a frequent
#Ytsejam visitor and want to be on that page too, let me know.
(check the Ytseweb page for the info I will need from you, and
mail it to me at itchy@dreamt.org)
> By the way, heard Fish is coming to Finland again. Anyone
> seen him live ?
Yup, two months ago in Holland. He personally invited me over
for a few beers backstage via email, just days before the gig.
Free tickets, backstage passes... the works :-) He signed my
"Gentleman's Excuse Me" single with :
To Itchy, great to meet you in the real world,
All the best, Fish :-)
He's one cool dude, and a hell of a performer too... He could
teach James LaBrie a few tricks on how to deal with hecklers !
_____
Eckie's wrote :
> What the hell happened to the Ytsejam? This is the _lowest_ filth I
> think I've ever seen produced by the list!
Uhm... Michael Coghlan, anyone ? George Farber ? Imposter ? ;-)
3 Re: opppinion, dr1982 was right
"dr d" <dr1982@hotmail.com>
4 arash=piece of shit
Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
5 FUCK YOU ALL
Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
6 TAKE YOUR "MULOTS" MOUSES AND SHOVE THEM UP YOUR ASSES
Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
I've just asked Skadz to take this piece of nazi shit off the list.
I'm also going to ask hotmail and netcom.com to take action against
this bastard. Crawl back under your rock, Jason (George Farber ?).
Mark
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:30:13 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The ungrateful maggots Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Last chance
Message-ID: <01BCA6A6.3BA0B0E0@Traveler.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
I'm sure some people will be interested in this. Someone on the
Marillion mailinglist started a fund, to help pay for a US tour.
Every donor of $25 and over will get a *free* limited edition CD
recorded during the US tour. Only 1000 copies will be made, and
there are still some left (about 100-200, I think). Marillion's
record company recently went chapter 11, and *now* the Tour Fund
will have to pay for the *entire* US tour, instead of just a few
shows as was planned. There are only 9 days left to donate, and
get one of those limited edition numbered (possibly signed) cds.
Here's your last chance...
> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:07:08 -0400
> From: jeff@delta.com (Jeff Woods)
> To: freaks@ax.com
> Subject: Last chance for Tour Fund donations....
>
> All Tour Fund donations must be RECEIVED by Wednesday, August 20th,
> in order to qualify for a CD. At that time, I will divide up any
> remaining CD's among the shows and reserve them for sale at the venue
> only, for $35. (No, they won't be AT the venue.... still not yet
> produced).
>
> Last call. After the 20th, I'll send all donations BACK unless
> clearly marked "I don't care if I get a CD or not". This Strange
> Fundraiser is almost over.
>
> 919-460-4556 via credit card.
>
> Marillion Tour 97
> 507 Airport Boulevard, Suite 109
> Morrisville, NC 27560
If you're a Marillion fan, donate NOW... What is $25 (preferably
more) for a limited edition numbered possibly signed live album,
that will probably end up becoming a valuable collectors item ?
Mark
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:35:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: arash=piece of shit
Message-ID: <199708112035.PAA09270@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>
>
>
>HEY! ARASH!
>What the fuck is the matter with you arash?, you worthless piece of
>shit.Did your daddy anal rape you as a child?! The world would be a
>hell of a much better place if sacks of shit like you just went
>underground and rotted away. Learn english you motherfucker.
>
>
>Fuck you,
>Justin
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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>Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 19:24:27 -0700
>From: Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: arash=piece of shit
>Message-ID: <33EE77DA.3EC7CDDE@ix.netcom.com>
>
>
>HEY! ARASH!
>What the fuck is the matter with you arash?, you worthless piece of
>shit.Did your daddy anal rape you as a child?! The world would be a
>hell of a much better place if sacks of shit like you just went
>underground and rotted away. Learn english you motherfucker.
>
>
>Fuck you,
>
>
>
>
Ok I posted neither one of these. This guy is impersonating me. As
you can see he first posted it with his email address. Then somehow
using my email address. And to top it off he copied what I mailed him
and added Arash's name! I mailed him privately saying the same thing
to him minus the name Arash, and the last sentence "Learn english
motherfucker." I stood up for Arash! If you do not believe me ask him,
I also mailed him privately telling him not to let this guy bother him,
and that most jammers are not like that. Here is the only thing about
this incident that i have posted on the jam until now, you can go read
it yourself in Ytsejam #2844:
>You know, I've been on the jam for over a year, and this is the single
>worst piece of filth I have ever seen posted here. We have rules
>about things like religious debates, country debates and things like
>that. But people like this are the ones who need to be kicked off the
>list. Come on Skadz, lets get rid of this worthless waste of sperm &
>egg.
>
>
>Lord Mutilo
>jsj@ix.netcom.com
I have never been impersonated like this, and I find it very insulting,
not to mention scary. There is no telling what else this loser is
doing with my email address!
Lord Mutilo
jsj@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:39:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2845
Message-ID: <199708112039.PAA11481@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com>
>I write this in concern for all people who subscribe to the Ytsejam mailing
>list (A mailing list for the fans of the bad "Dream Theater") We have been
>suddenly receiving unwarranted mail from this person who is using one of
>your addresses. This kind of intolerance, in my opinion, is unacceptable
>in such a public forum. Please help correct this problem, because he is
>unwilling to comply.
>
>Thank you,
> KorgX3
YES! the bastard is using my email address!
Lord Mutilo
jsj@ix.netcom.com
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