YTSEJAM Digest 2848
Today's Topics:
1) New Dream Theater.
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
2) For Fates people
by EricD91011@aol.com
3) Mike Bahr
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
4) Re: CAKEWALK AND TIME SIGS
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
5) Bahr
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
6) Re: bury him
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
7) Re: Mike Bahr's important CD-related stuff
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
8) RE: CAKEWALK AND TIME SIGS
by "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
9) In Defense of Mike Bahr
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
10) Mp3 files on Prog Or Die, Thank you and Dr d
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
11) interesting Rush TfE tidbit
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
12) tour dates
by omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il
13) one more thing...
by omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:37:43 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New Dream Theater.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970811143029.8804A-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
Hi,
Here is a Dream Theater thought (not very deep, I know). If you
needed more airplay to continue to put interesting things on CD (you know,
you've got some bills to pay when you have a wife and a son/daughter),
then what do you think about putting as the first single a very
accessible, "sold out" song to get more support and sell more copies of
your CD?
If you haven't guessed yet, I'm talking about the new song, "You
not Me", "You or Me" or whatever it is called. I haven't heard this song
yet (I'm very busy right now to stop and download files, even tough I have
a shell account and can do it on background).
So, don't you think it is natural for Dream Theater to release
their most accessible song first to have more people hearing their album?
I think that it is quite understandable. Well, at least if I had a band,
I'd do this: put one or two very commercial (say, 3 or 4 minutes long)
songs and then fill the rest of the album with some huge (40 or 50 minutes
long) songs.
Well, let the flames begin.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:41:43 -0400 (EDT) From: EricD91011@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: For Fates people Message-ID: <970811134026_1815361477@emout03.mail.aol.com>
Just a request for anyone to upcoming Fates shows if anyone talks to Zonder ask him where the hell is the Chroma Key Cd and why is it not out. Someone posted in the AOL music message center that he had heard the finished copy which would imply it was done, but no one can be sure. If anyone gets a chance ask the question. Thanks.
-Eric
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:49:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mike Bahr Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970811134621.10269B-100000@bdmserver>
Brian Wherry wrote:
<bunch of speel deleted>
>To people other than Mike Bahr: All of the material on his CDs is out >there. He's not the spout of all that is rare. Find it, and TRADE with >people.
Yeah, I've had such great luck with trades... Not!
I have no problem paying Mike 20-25$ for his cds. They are a great way to get cd quality recordings of rare stuff ON CD.
Brian, if you dont like what he does then don't buy his cds. Don't preach a bunch of crap to people who don't care what you think.
Eagerly waiting for TDOW...
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:45:14 -0400 From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: " - (052)f.miguel(a)mail.telepac.pt" <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> Subject: Re: CAKEWALK AND TIME SIGS Message-ID: <0010200001037501000002L012*@MHS>
Pedro,
> 2- In my computer sequencer, I filled one measure in 4/4 with < 4 quarter notes and one measure in 4/8 with 4 eight notes. > When I hit Play (with the tempo set at 100), the notes in < the 4/8 measure sound they are half of the lenght of the > notes in 4/4. But should all the notes sound they have the same < lenght? > Isn't 4/4 basically equivalent to 4/8 to the listener?
You are right, and your sequencer might be right.
1) Tempo means "beats per minute". 4/4 is four beats per measure. 4/8 is four beats per measure. So, at 100 bpm, you will play 25 measures of each in one minute. However, sometimes time changes are used to change the way the music feels without changing the lengths of any notes. This is often done between 3/4 and 6/8. So...
2) If there is a time change within a song, there is usually some kind of notation above the staff to tell you what the tempo does. If it says [quarter note]=3D[quarter note], then the speed of the quarter notes will remain the same, and the 4/8 stuff will sound twice as fast as the 4/4 stuff. If it says [quarter note]=3D[eighth note], then=
the 4/8 and 4/4 will sound exactly the same and the listener will never know you changed time sigs. Your sequencer may have thought that the quarter notes should stay the same length. If there's no way to tell it [qn]=3D[en], then you have to change tempos when you change time sigs. But...
2) Your sequencer may have been programmed by an idiot. It may assume that the definition of tempo is "quarter notes per minute". The way to find out is to make a separate song that is only in 4/8 and play it at 100 bpm. You could also write something in 4/2 to test the sequencers idea of tempo. If it still sounds like 200 bpm, shoot the sequencer and go on a search for the morons that made it.
"Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!" - Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com bkirk@blkbox.com Write me. If you dare!
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:04:00 -0400 From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bahr Message-ID: <199708111805.OAA29515@zork.tiac.net>
Yo people,
Brian Wherry said:
> Okay, so not only does Mike Bahr take music that is not his own, put in > on CDs and sell them to ytsejammers for about ten times what they cost > to make, he makes and sells *copies* of products made by other companies > whose products consist CDs of music that is not *their* own. Am I > missing something?
Oh goody! Somebody finally has the balls to stand up and say something against Mr. Bahr even though is a long-time veteran of this list. Thanks Brian. Now that I'm out of the closet as well I totally agree with you :). I wouldn't mind if Bahr was making these cds and trading them, or even making them and selling them at no profit. That would be the cost of the CDR at maximum $7 or $8, but I don't see where the fuck he gets up to $25 and has the nerve to tell us he's barely making a profit. I guess he's not a very good business man.
Even MORE appalling is the fact that he's copying OTHER bootlegs and making a huge profit! CDR discs can be bought for around $5 these days and he's selling these copies for $20. Let's see...he has to open his cd case and put it in the drive, put in the CDR disc , wait a few minutes, put the disc in the mailbox....instant $10-$15 profit.
If somebody could explain the morals to me here or if any of my math is incorrect I'd be glad to re-think my conclusion....
Adam
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:07:22 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: bury him Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970811150522.8985B-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Andrew Miller wrote:
[a lot of swear names deleted] > KorgX3 is right. everyone mail netcom's tech support about this guy. this is > absolutely ridiculous. > > oh. and i've only got two words for Justin- GROW UP.
Well, I've just sent an e-mail to Netcom. Let's see if they are more interested in the money or in having users of high intelectual level (it is a pitty that money doesn't show anything about the person that is paying it).
Hope we can have a better life in the future for our sons, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:15:34 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Mike Bahr's important CD-related stuff Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970811150730.8985C-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Brian Wherry wrote:
> Mike Bahr wrote: > > > > This price cut makes Prism Records order prices standard across > > the board, whether it's for one of my custom releases or one of the > > Italian boot replicas. > > Okay, so not only does Mike Bahr take music that is not his own, put in > on CDs and sell them to ytsejammers for about ten times what they cost > to make, he makes and sells *copies* of products made by other companies > whose products consist CDs of music that is not *their* own. Am I > missing something?
Well, Mike Bahr is not the only one that does this. And a lot of people think that his work is worth the money. In this case they pay him the money for the service. Capitalism works very simply.
> Sorry Mike, it should read: Dream Theater "Falling Into Infinity," will > be in stores on Tuesday, September 23.
Of course he knows this. But you also know that his bootlegs are helping support the band, don't you know? When people get a Dream Theater bootleg, they are getting something made by the artists.
And perhaps it helps if you have in mind that only the die hard fans buy bootlegs. And they won't be happy with just one bootleg. They really need more than this and here is where the official releases come. The occasional buyer doesn't even know that there exists one thing called bootleg recordings.
> You could just make a boot list like everyone else, and trade with > people when you get a hard-to-find DT recording, but no, you put it on a > CD with eight other tunes that everyone has already heard, (or you give > it some name that makes people think it's something other than Pull Me > Under with a bit of Erotomania stuck in there) wrap it up, put some > stupid "Prism Records" label on there, and ship it out the door (or get > your wife to do it) for the low-low price of $25 a pop. (or $23.50 or > whatever the new bargain bonanza price is)
Again, there are some people that are satisfied to pay 20 dollars for a bar of chocolate. Since the money is theirs, let them do what they think is fair and then the world will be much better.
But then, you also have the right to voice your own opinions.
Hope this clarifies something, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:38 -0700 (MST) From: "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: CAKEWALK AND TIME SIGS Message-ID: <19970811184201.AAA22624@localHost>
Pedro Filipe wrote:
>In my computer sequencer, I filled one measure in 4/4 with > 4 quarter notes and one measure in 4/8 with 4 eight notes. > When I hit Play (with the tempo set at 100), the notes in > the 4/8 measure sound they are half of the lenght of the > notes in 4/4. But should all the notes sound they have the same > lenght? > Isn't 4/4 basically equivalent to 4/8 to the listener?
No! In 4/4, four quarter notes make up one measure. In 4/8, four eighth notes make up one measure. So basically a measure of 4/8 lasts half as long as a measure of 4/4.
Ytse on Dude,
eD
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:08:48 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: durnik@goodnet.com Subject: In Defense of Mike Bahr Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970811120841.0081e7a0@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 11:16 AM 8/11/97 -0700, Adam Cook wrote: >Yo people, > >Brian Wherry said: > >> Okay, so not only does Mike Bahr take music that is not his own, put in >> on CDs and sell them to ytsejammers
You just hit the key word. Ytsejammers. We're a family of sorts here. Bahr has a link to the band (that even GIVES him material!!), approval from the members of the band, and his boots are all rare stuff and high quality. He's giving some of us on the outer circle some of the stuff only available on the inner circle. It's cool.
>> for about ten times what they cost >> to make, he makes and sells *copies* of products made by other companies >> whose products consist CDs of music that is not *their* own. Am I >> missing something?
He's a bootlegger. What's the problem? If you don't like bootlegs, especially ones that the actual musicians say is okay, don't buy them.
>Oh goody! Somebody finally has the balls to stand up and say something >against Mr. Bahr even though is a long-time veteran of this list. Thanks >Brian. Now that I'm out of the closet as well I totally agree with you :). >I wouldn't mind if Bahr was making these cds and trading them, or even >making them and selling them at no profit. That would be the cost of the >CDR at maximum $7 or $8, but I don't see where the fuck he gets up to $25 >and has the nerve to tell us he's barely making a profit. I guess he's not >a very good business man.
My guess is that he's buying excellent CDs for the CDR. There are some really cheap CDs out there, ones with only one thin gold layer, but Bahr's CDs are double-layered so that they're stronger and they last longer. Plus you have to figure in the jewel cases at about $2 or more a piece, the cost of the printing of the inserts, the shipping and handling, he has to get some money back on the CDR itself, and he'd like to make about a $4-$5 profit off of each CD. If you can do it better for less, then do it. If not, go fuck yourself and get off Mike's back. He's doing us all a great service, and I thank him for that. Besides, most bootleg CDs out there are $20-$40 anyway, so what's your problem?
>Even MORE appalling is the fact that he's copying OTHER bootlegs and making >a huge profit!
Compiliations rule. Sometimes there are parts of bootlegs that are superior to others. I see no fault in compiling the best of several bootlegs into one great CD. I think it's great.
CDR discs can be bought for around $5 these days and he's >selling these copies for $20. Let's see...he has to open his cd case and >put it in the drive, put in the CDR disc , wait a few minutes, put the disc >in the mailbox....instant $10-$15 profit.
Refer to my above statements.
>If somebody could explain the morals to me here or if any of my math is >incorrect I'd be glad to re-think my conclusion....
He's trying to provide the die-hard Dream Theater fans, you and I, with as much of their rare material as he can. I'm an avid boot collector, and I'm very thankful to Mike for doing what he's doing. I'm sure Dream Theater would much rather have a high-quality bootleg from Mike floating around out there than some piece of crap audience cassette recording. DT rules, Mike's doing us all a service. If you don't like it, either do it better or leave the dude alone.
On a related note...Mike, my check for $45 for the Megadeth CD and the two Savatage (YEAH!) videos will be in the mail VERY soon.
Laterz all,
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:11:32 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mp3 files on Prog Or Die, Thank you and Dr d Message-ID: <33EFE274.6097@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
I'm wondering because some of you allready said that the mp3 files on my
Page don't work !!!!
I've check it again and "Burning My Soul" worked very well !!!!
The other 2 samples worked too, but I've decided to reuploading these samples
becasue their quality was not good.
I've received a lot of mails from Ystejamers who were grateful for my samples.
They've said that the songs are great and ...
The mp3 files are ok.
Maybe you should try it with Explorer.
Please note that for the moment you can only download "Burning My Soul".
I will put the other 2 songs "Just Let Me Breath" and "Preuvian Skies" into
my page as soon as I can.
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For all those who woundering why I can't write in Englich well :
I'm study Electrotechninc since 2 years.
But in my whole life I've had only 3 years English in the school.
When I came to Germany in 1989, I had to learn German and after that I had
3 Years English at a techincal school for Electrotechnic before go for study.
-------------------------- By the way thanks to all Ytsejamers who have been on my side and have
Supporting me with your mails.
Thank you very much. You are the real DT fans.
-------------------------- And Dr d or what the hell your real name is :
I don't care what you think let alone what you said about me.
I just can only say :
look in the mirror my friend (The Mirror by M.P)
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Just look forward to 23rd of September :-)
Arash Ashouriha
let light surround you -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:12:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: interesting Rush TfE tidbit Message-ID: <199708111912.PAA03232@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
I know that this has nothing to do with Dream Theater, but hey - what the hell HAS been lately..... :P
Anywawy, I came across this little bit of information which Rush fans might find pretty interesting.....
On the TfE CD cover, they have the stone statue thingy on the cover.
That stone statue is called an INUKSHUK. Stone figures built to resemble humans, Inukshuks were originially built as landmarks. The Inukshuk has been adopted today as a symbol to remind us of our dependence on each other and the value of strong relationships....
(taken from The Meeting Professional magazine, July 1997)
I thought it was pretty neat........
-Al -- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@
I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 22:01:28 PDT From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: tour dates Message-ID: <Chameleon.970811220702.omeraron@>
as you all know,i'm from israel, and i've never see DT,FW,QS or anything that can moves in a live show!!! so,i finally going to a trip to holland,france, and italy, and i have to find any band(megadeth,metallica,DT,fates,anything that like! i trust you guys!!!) and tell me if they r preforming in those countrys in october 10-30 .
PLEASE! PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME!!!! thanx
bye
p.s YOU NOT ME SUX LIKE HELL!!!!!!!!!! but i liked just let me breath,exelent song,you should hear it.
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 22:11:35 PDT From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: one more thing... Message-ID: <Chameleon.970811221315.omeraron@>
i forgat one thing:
WHERE THE HELL I CAN GET A YTSEJAM SHIRT!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?
HOW COME EVERYBODY HAVE IT?!??!?!?!?!
HOW COME I DON'T HAVE IT??!?!?! (focus in that question)
please tell me, yours truely
omer
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