YTSEJAM Digest 2858
Today's Topics:
1) Purple People Eaters, Divine Regale/Ivanhoe,
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
2) mike burstin
by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
3) Boot to the Head
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
4) mp3 files/Justin James
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
5) Re: the Bahr debate
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
6) tape/CDR tree
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
7) on to another fave subject.....
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
8) Treasure Land
by "Magnus Lind" <treasure.land@mailbox.swipnet.se>
9) Is Bahr's money DT's?
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
10) One thing....
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
11) So many jams
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
12) A Happy Post (not happe) MC/DTC
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:20:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Purple People Eaters, Divine Regale/Ivanhoe,
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970812105721.688B-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
Heya!! to whomever posted about the Purple People Eaters, that
would be my little bro's team, and the only non jammer on the YFFL.
We both are from Minnesota, and bleed purple in a big way.
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About Divine Regale's "Ocean Mind": Good stuff. It is pretty chunky and
is quite a bit different as a whole than the EP, if you got that. It
does have two songs from the EP. With six members, they have a really
chunky sound, with a rhythm guitar adding to the chunk of the bass and
drums. The singer really sounds like Geoff Tate (Warning era) in some
places, but otherwise, they have a unique sound that I'm getting into.
Not as keyboard intensive as Shadow Gallery, or even DT, the keyboards
are in the background an awful lot. I hope the come to Boston to play a
little more often :). Released by Metal Blade.
About Ivanhoe "Visions...and Reality" Better than Symbols of Time, this
is their first effort. I couldn't find Polarize, so I settled for this.
The biggest problem for Symbols, is the sound quality, in my eyes. The
music is cool, but there are little things, like the tinny snares, and
the unintelligible lyrics that bother me.
In this one, the sound is a lot better, and this is much more
chunky than Symbols. A lot less keyboards here than in Symbols as well.
I really don't have much to say about this one really yet. I need to
listen to it more. They did put lyrics in the liners of this one, though,
so I can finally understand what he is singing.
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ObBahr: I respect both opinions, so I'm staying out of it.
-jeremy
NP: Was Divine Regale: Ocean Mind, now DT: Images and Words.
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:34:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: mike burstin
Message-ID: <199708121534.AA20151@metronet.com>
hey mike burstin, nice to see you are still around. i too was around
during the @bnf.com days. i believe i subscribed around issue #60
or something like that, i dont remember. it was summer of '93. right
after the galactic cowboys tour i think. did my first every tape trade
with mike burstin, now i have over 600 DATs (almost 400 DAT masters!)
anyway, melissa said that i must have known about darkest of winters. i
had no idea. i didnt even know about falling into infinity coming out
until last week. i havent been keeping up with dream theater. i need
to get back into it. most of the reason i havent been keeping up is
all the useless posts on ytsejam which it seems i am now a part of... ;)
i never meant to hurt mike, i just wish he would be honest. he keeps
saying he is buying CDR's to put discs on, but every disc i have seen
is a mass produced disc that can be made for about $899 for 1000 copies
including jewel boxes and artwork. whenever burstin, bahr, and myself
first discussed making cd's, we planned on selling them for like $6
or so to cover mailing and cd costs.
i personally dont care what mike or any other bootlegger does, i dont agree
with it, but there are many people that say just taping a show and trading
it is immoral and i am guilty of that. believe it or not the mere act of
taping a show itself *is* illegal. so i cant really do anything except
stop buying the bootlegs and think that taping and trading is less
evil.
i really had no idea that this boot cd was out and at one time i would
not have cared, but now i do. i just would have liked the opportunity
to tell mike i didnt want a part of it, which i didnt have...
mike bahr..if you are reading this...at least email me. i probably wont
see any replies to the digest since i dont read it anymore. i have read more
of them just today and yesterday than this whole year combined. i usually
just delete them... :)
<><><><><><><><><> Brian V. Cox (lerxst@metronet.com) <><><><><><><><><>
<>rush\dreamtheater\kingcrimson\phish\moe.\toriamos\echolyn\queensryche>
"The man or woman who is insensitive to the spell of this performance
really isn't fit to live in civilized society for it is one of
the wonders of the world" -Frank Granville Barker
<><><><><><><><><>DAT Taper/Trader - Email me for list<><><><><><><><><>
<><><><><><><><><><> http://www.metronet.com/~lerxst <><><><><><><><><><>
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:33:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Boot to the Head
Message-ID: <199708121533.KAA27522@enteract.com>
> If you have something against Bahr you should have complained about it a
> long time ago. Just one guy posts a complaint, and suddenly everybody's
> balls double in size. Sheesh!
> ****
If my balls grew any larger, I'd be in National Geographic. You're not willing to
accept the fact that some people just might not have really thought about the issue until
Wacky or the Wacky Imposter posted. You're not giving the jammers enough credit. Instead of
knocking people, why not try to refute their arguments, if you think they're wrong?
> From: "Blondie Smurf" <cyradis1@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2841
>
> Wow I'm behind on my jams........
>
> >1) What is your all-time favorite DT song? Album?
Must either be new or be about 1000 jams behind if you didn't know not to respond to
surveys on the list, but rather to the person who posed them in the first place...
> From: "Randy Shewey" <randyshewey@msn.com>
> Subject: re:Mike B shit storm
>
> Then I hit a dt page that had a link to Mike's page. Wham!! I think I must
> be dreaming all this cool music looks legit enough I'll risk 50 for a couple
> disks. About 3 weeks later I get em' & I'm in heaven now because I have dt
> that I couldn't get from any other source, I stress any I searched hours on
> end to no avail.
Mike never fails to get his product to its destination. That is pretty much fact.
I'm probably the only person with a slower delivery time on goods though... but I almost NEVER
take cash for anything (the exception being used cds that I hate, Like Iced Earth, or favor
cds like Anacrusis, which took me about 14 years to send out... but it's not a business or a
hobby for me).
--Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to --------------------------------- the vast wealth of "To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped one's brain with an orally | web sites) deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| **************** ---------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:11:39 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: mp3 files/Justin James Message-ID: <33F109CB.1EEB@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
I'm sorry but my English is not correct.
Now I know what some of you have talked about (mp3 with noise sounds, scratch).
I've download these files more then 5 times from my University with Netscape
for Unix and the mp3 files were exelent.
Later I've tried it at home with Netscape for Dos and I've had exactly the
same problem as some of you allready told.
The funny thing is that the file which I've download at home is bigger than
the original file I've put on the server !!!!
But the file in the cache directory has the same size like the original
which I've put on the server.
I'm wondering because a lot of Ystejamers have the mp3 files and it works.
Maybe they all have used Explorer !!!
I think the problem is something with the ascii and binary transfer with
Netscape (Dos). Netscape 3.0 can't identified mp3 as Application.
If the source file is from ftp (like DR MOSH's page), maybe it will work.
But my source file is from http. Netscape is too old for mp3.
It can only identify mp2. If you use Exproler it should work.
While transforming (saving) the file (ascii to binary) the Dos version of
Netscape add all line feeds. I think that maybe the problem.
The file in your cashe directory is just the file which has been read from
Netscape. This file is not transformed and has the same size like the original
file. On Unix it might be different couse as I allready said it worked !!
You should try it like some one on the list allready said. Download the file.
But after that use the mp3 file in your cache directory (Netscape).
I'm very sorry about this but I can't do enything else.
Maybe there is way. I don't know.
Can somebody help me ?
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Now I've reuploading all 3 songs "BURNING MY SOUL", "JUST LET ME BREATH"
and "PREUVIAN SKIES".
SO YOU CAN DOWNLOAD ALL 3 SAMPLES.
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Justin James is not Dr D.
The real Justin had sent a private mail to me, before Dr D has written all
those shits.
I'm sure the real Justin is now very disappionted. Don't worry Justin.
Now we know that you are not Dr D.
How can this rubbish (Dr D) use Justin's mail addresse ?
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Ytsejam: A place for DT and progressive Rock fans, peace and tolerance. Once again thanks to all real ystejamers. God bless you all.
let light surround you Arash Ashouriha
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 12:34:50 -0400 From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: the Bahr debate Message-ID: <199708121632.MAA24389@kira.ici.net>
>ends now. If you have any questions, complaints, gripes, praise, etc >for Mike's project, please mail durnik@indirect.com, NOT the Jam.
No offense, Skadz, but this debate *is* pertinent to the list. If you are going to allow Mike a forum here to advertise his business, you can't quash discussion of it. It's either a valid topic or it isn't, you can't/shouldn't make it okay for him, but off-limits for everyone else.
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 12:35:35 -0400 From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: tape/CDR tree Message-ID: <199708121632.MAA24557@kira.ici.net>
>mike, i cloned those 4 shows for you because you said you wanted to >hear them. i know that you were kicking around the possibility of >doing a cd with them and at that point i didnt care. > >since that time i have gotten to know a lot of bands more personally >and alot of them allow me to tape their shows that other people are not >allowed to tape. i have changed my stance on bootlegging. i no longer >buy bootleg cd's or sell tapes or do 2:1 trades or anything like that. ..... > anyway, i no longer >want to be associated with any of this bootlegging for profit business >and that is why i am pissed that you didnt ask me about this or even >ask for my input at all.
I think a lot of people would love to be able to do what you are trying to do here; namely, undo something in your life that you now find unpleasant. There's a lot of things I did as a kid that I'm not proud of now (hell, there's a lot of things I've done as an *adult* that I'm not too keen on. :), but you can't change the past. You gave the tapes in good faith. You can't expect someone to have known that you'd change your opinion someday and just file the tapes away.
>yes, i used to accept free copies of your cd's. i really didnt care what >you did until now when it might affect me.
And now that you have found the "true light" of taping, you expect Mike to go tripping down the velvet path with you? That's unrealistic.
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:52:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: on to another fave subject..... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970812121803.11781B-100000@moonpatrol.rs.itd.umich.edu>
metallica! got load from the library.....and it ain't that bad!
I think it's a case of the devin townsend syndrome...lemme 'splain... Back when working man (MC rush tribute) came out, I didn't buy it immediately, no local stores had it for a coupla weeks, etc,etc..... So, for about a month, I heard and saw reviews, and the common thread thru most of it was how bad devin townsend totally screwed up natural science
so, when i finally got the disc, I was expecting the most horrible idiotic vocal performance ever recorded.....maybe it was because my expectations were so low, but I really enjoyed his take on NS, he really put his own style (which i later discovered on vai's S&R) on that song, and it's probably my fave vocal performance on "working man"
and a similar thing is probably happening with me listening to load right now......y'all got me expecting to hate this album so badly, this basically solid piece of music is sounding pretty cool to me.....or maybe it's just that I've gotten over the point of listening to metallica ONLY for their agression and power......hell, maybe I'm growing up? nahhhhh, couldn't be........ :)
about bahr....hell, i prolly lost my objectivity on the guy about when antiquities came out.....maybe it's because i am NOT a musician (years of violin long in the past now) that I don't have the same concerns as led Brian Wherry (if you haven't got his demo, why the fuck not?) to post about Mike Bahr.....so I am led by my fan's and consumer's instinct to get anything by my favorite bands rather than by concern for their artistic rights......unfortunate, perhaps, and I'll apologize to any musician offended by this attitude.......but as a fan of the music and not necessarily the people (think on that before you flame.....how many of you actually know the band members and care about them beyond what music they make for you?), that's just who I am.......
i'd stand for a few comments on this attitude....please send them privately, tho, to ahtrap@umich.edu
partha
BUY WHERRY'S DEMO NOW!
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:15:17 +0200 From: "Magnus Lind" <treasure.land@mailbox.swipnet.se> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Treasure Land Message-ID: <199708121713.TAA28873@mb02.swip.net>
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Is Bahr's money DT's? Message-ID: <199708121746.NAA08555@acmey.gatech.edu>
> That is complete bullshit because in that example you're not stealing > the toys and selling them yourself. I'm sick of this argument. What it > comes down to is that you are making money on CDs which DT receives > nothing from. That's the bottom line.
I completely agree with you, I can't deny that he's making money and DT isn't, BUT what I think a lot of us were trying to point out was that that money isn't something that would go to DT if it weren't going to Mike Bahr. It's not like he's taking anything from them, besides using their material. He's making a profit off their work, true, but he's not making it at their expense. If he made copies of official releases, someone might buy his version and not the official version, in which case money that would otherwise have gone to DT would have gone to Mike. This is what I think he was saying when he said he would never make copies of Awake. But there is no official release of say PT. By buying it, no one's diverting money from the band because this is something the band doesn't offer.
As far as the whole CDR vs. printing plant thing, it turns out I was making a point that wasn't really in contention, so I kind of feel like an idiot, well more like a fucking idiot, no offense Bafu.
Eric -little foolish one
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 12:52:16 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: One thing.... Message-ID: <33f0a2d020f3090@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
As far as the boot controvesy goes, I have an opinion, but since Skadz has asked for these posts to be kept off the Jam, I won't go into it. What I would like to say is; there is a comment that I see frequently on the Jam (most recently by Melissa Bahr, but don't think I'm picking on you - lots of people do it) which goes something like this:
If you don't like the post, skip over it.
I would like to point out that this is all well and good, but before one skips over it, one has to download it. This takes time, especially for those of us using modems and slower connections. This time adds up, and eventually equals money. So, if you have something that applies to a limited amount of people (i.e. your customers), then send it to those people, rather than the Jam. The Jam should be for things that may be of general interest to a large number of Jammers. This category does not include product updates that apply to Mike Bahr's customers who comprise less than half of the Jam. Mike, you have recieved email from all of your customers at one time or another. You have their email addresses - there's no reason to not send your updates and info straight to them. Obviously, notifying people of a new release is a different story, because people who are not currently customers may be interested, but as far as updates on current production is concerned: Tell it to people who care.
-Brian Hayden
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:58:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: So many jams Message-ID: <199708121758.NAA12364@acmey.gatech.edu>
I got 9 jams yesterday. Hmmm........
Eric
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:01:41 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Happy Post (not happe) MC/DTC Message-ID: <199708121806.LAA27857@ktk1.SMARTT.COM>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 08/12/97 08:22am -0700
ok, a light in the dark tunnel here...Most of you, at least some of you know I got first runner up in the Iron Maiden contest that their webpage ran. Well, today, I got my prizes.
My new Best of the Beast t-shirt. My 2 Davey Murray Autographed wristbands :) My Lord of the Flies single, which I already have a copy but not one that is autographed by the ENTIRE band :) and the coup de gras, steve himself...NOT!! nah actually a band photo and all of their autographs.
Dave has a weird way of signing his name. if I can get scans, I will :) Anyways, I figure that'll be a bright post for you all even tho its nothing to do with DT. Actually, that'd be a cool contest to have. If you could ask DT 10 questions, what would they be. Same rules as the maiden one.
Well, I am going to go like, stare at my new stuff. I won't be coming down off of this high for a long time.
Oh yea, You not Me, I like the song alot, it' fits in quite well with the radio stuff but still, it keeps that DT'ish quality, still heavy but is it me, or did someone kick james in the nadz for the chorus? :)
Desperately awaiting a DT/Maiden Tour
Mark Smeets/Stranger0/HTML Guild Member --------------------------------------- http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/ - personal page http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm - Megadeth F.A.Q. A Bridge is not a high place The fifty-second floor Icarus would nkow A Mountain isn't too far to fall When you've Fallin' from the Moon - Marillion, Brave - Fallin' from the Moon
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