YTSEJAM Digest 2865
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Mark Bahr
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
2) Angra: Live At FNAC
by MTeiper@aol.com
3) Fwd: Regarding Angra
by MTeiper@aol.com
4) YTSEJAM
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
5) Re: YTSEJAM
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
6) jam #2857
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
7) Re: Angra: Live At FNAC
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
8) mmm.... a little hostile,don't you think?
by omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il
9) Can't wait 'til September 24th? Well,...
by "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net>
10) Now wait just a damn minute...
by "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net>
11) Just another quicky....
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@netvision.net.il>
12) Air & Bahr
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
13) Re: Just another quicky....
by eckie@asu.edu
14) Attention recent Ytsejam subscribers
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
15) Think about this shit before you post.
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
16) fuckin nazi
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:42:37 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mark Bahr
Message-ID: <199708132042.NAA20181@gms.gmsnet.com>
Bits have nothing to do with resolution, bits are for dynamic range, it's
the 44.1khz that has to do with resolution... 44.1khz PCM is what takes
up the CD space...
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:05:52 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Angra: Live At FNAC Message-ID: <970813170344_415760915@emout15.mail.aol.com>
Greetingz -
Just a quick question here: I was hoping that someone could pass onto me the complete track listing of the "Live at the FNAC" acoustic CD that accompanied some pressings of Angra's "Holy Land". I have heard that it is 3 tracks (but I am not sure). I believe that 2 of the tracks are "Angels Cry" and "Never Understand". Private e-mail is cool, but posted to the Jam is okay, too.
Thanx a lot... Matt T.
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fwd: Regarding Angra Message-ID: <970813171059_-420593769@emout10.mail.aol.com>
Hi again -
First off, I would like to thank the Jammer who pointed me in the direction of Empire Entertainment for the "Reaching Horizons" CD by Angra. I e-mailed them inquiring about any other Angra merchandise of theirs, as well as ordering policies. I am forwarding their reply to you guys. I am not sure if they are reliable or anything (can anyone vouch for them?), but I couldn't believe how much Angra stuff they have!!! Anyway, I hope that this helps some fellow Angra fans out there.
Peace.... Matt T.
NP: Metallica "Load" --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Regarding Angra Date: 97-08-12 22:50:03 EDT ]From: Empire Ent To: MTeiper
Hello Matt:
Thanks for your e-mail. Following please find a list of product currently available from us. You can place an order by either e-mail or fax. We currently do not accept credit cards only personal checks and money orders. Hope you find something of interest to you.
Empire
ANGRA - The Holy Box (Ita) this box contains the Holy Land CD, the "Live at FNAC" acoustic CD, a band photo, large 4 color poster and an ANGRA book all packaged in a 4 color cardboard box. Release date is September 1, 1997. Price should be around $60.00 (not confirmed at this time). This is a limited edition release!!
ANGRA - Holy Live (Ita) 6 track live EP, ltd ed slip case + sticker $15.98 ANGRA - Reaching Horizons (US) +3 bonus tracks $11.98 ANGRA - Freedom Call (Ita) 6 track EP $15.98 ANGRA - Holy Land (Fra) $19.98 ANGRA - Holy Land + 1 (Jap) $29.98 ANGRA - Evil Warning (Jap) 4 track EP $19.98 ANGRA - Angels Cry (Ita) $19.98 ANGRA - Angels Cry (Jap) ltd. ed. LP style packaging $29.98 ANGRA - Holy Land T-Shirt (L/XL) blk, World Tour '96/'97 $25.98 ANGRA - Holy Land T-Shirt L/S (XL) blk, World Tour '96/'97 $33.98 ANGRA - Holy Land T-Shirt (XL) ltd. ed. tie-dye, sand $37.98 ANGRA - Holy Land T-Shirt (L/XL) off wht, pocket print $19.98 ANGRA - Holy Land T-Shirt (L/XL) blk, dbl sided print $22.98 ANGRA - Angels Cry T-Shirt (XL) blk, dbl sided print $22.98 ANGRA - 1996/1997 World Tour Program, large format (20 page, 4 color) $24.98 ANGRA - Holy Land Poster, album cover (4c, lg) $4.98 ANGRA - Holy Land Poster, world map (4c, sml) $2.98 ANGRA - Angels Cry Poster (4c) $4.98 ANGRA - Promo Picture (8x10, b/w) $2.00 ANGRA - Kiko Loureiro Guitar Video (Bra) NTSC $49.98 ANGRA - Luis Mariutti Bass Video (Bra) NTSC $49.98 ANGRA - Angels Cry Postcard (4c) $1.00 ANGRA - Holy Land Postcard (4c) $1.00 ANGRA - Xmas Card 3 Pack ('94/'95/'96) $3.00 ANGRA - 7 Stickers on a page (4c) $5.00 ANGRA - Sticker, ANGRA Logo (small) $.50 ANGRA - Sticker (2), ANGRA Logo and Picture $1.00 ANGRA - Fan Club Membership (1 year) $10.00 (U.S. only) ANGRA - Fan Club Membership (1 year) $15.00 (World) ANGRA - Reaching Horizons Fan Mag #1, #2 (English) $2.00 ea.
ANGRA - The Gates Of Holy Land $39.98 (Bootleg) Live in France 1995 ANGRA - Judgment Day (2CD Set) $69.98 (Bootleg) Live in Brazil 1996 ANGRA - Crossing (2CD Set) $69.98 (Bootleg) Live in Tokyo 1997 ANGRA - Holy Land In The East (2CD Set) $69.98 (Bootleg) Live in Osaka 1997 ANGRA - Eyes Of Christ $49.98 (Bootleg) 13 Holy Land demo tracks (Very limited supply on all above bootlegs!!)
Also available feat. Andre Matos:
VIPER - Theatre Of Fate ( U.S.) $10.98, also cassette $6.98 VIPER - Theatre Of Fate/Soldiers Of Sunrise (Ger) 2on1 $19.98 VIPER - Soldiers Of Sunrise (Jap) 1987 debut release $29.98
Ordering Information/Shipping & Handling:
U.S.: First item add US$3.00, each additional item add US$0.50.
Canada/Mexico: First item add US$4.00, each additional item add US$0.50.
World: First item add US$5.00, each additional item add US$3.00.
All orders are shipped via Priority Mail/1st Class Mail or Airmail.
Insurance: Add $1.50 to any size order, except shipments outside the U.S. Please e-mail or write for rates.
CA residents add 7.5% sales tax.
When ordering shirts please state your size (L, XL). Please allow up to 4 weeks for delivery (most orders will arrive a lot sooner).
Make check or money order/international money order in U.S. funds only payable to Empire Entertainment, P.O. Box 1756, Sebastopol, CA 95473 U.S.A. Cash is accepted at your own risk. Sorry, no credit cards at this time.
Fax (707) 823-7593 e-mail address: Empire Ent@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:18:58 +0300 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM Message-ID: <33F224C1.2720@Netvision.net.il>
Well,
I bet you'll all think i'm an idiot, but i'm kinda new to this list, so can anyone tell me what does YTSE mean?
I mean, is it initials or anything like it, or is it just some bullshit the band made up?
Please take me question serioulsy
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:50:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM Message-ID: <199708132150.RAA18875@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > Well, > > I bet you'll all think i'm an idiot, but i'm kinda new to this list, > so can anyone tell me what does YTSE mean?
YTSE is part of the word YTSEJAM. YTSEJAM, the name of this list, is taken from a song off of their first album, When Dream and Day Unite, called The Ytse Jam.
The Ytse Jam, comes from the backward spelling of the word Majesty, which happened to be the band's name before copyright or trademark concerns came up (another band was already using that name). Hence, they came up with the name Dream Theater, which was named after the Dream Theater, an actual theater in California. I think the name was suggested by Mike Portnoy's father, but I'm not sure.
Everyone here on the 'Jam uses it now as a prefix.
YTSE - (yit'-see) - prefix, denoting anything related to the YTSEJAM mailing list. Examples, YtseVan, Ytsejammer, YtseCon, Ytsefuckin' idiot, YtseHell, etc.....
More background on the origins of Ytsejam, Dream Theater, and random other stuff can be found in the Dream Theater FAQ, which is available somewhere in the Dream Theater website:
or at D-man's (Chris Merlo, the Digital Man, ytsehomo-at-large) website, though I don't know the URL off-hand..........
-Al
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:25:18 +0200 From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: jam #2857 Message-ID: <33F2344E.43073E96@algonet.se>
> Hey, could someone please send me jam #2857? I never got it, and, I > would like to have it. > > John McCabe > caber1@concentric.net
sorry, this was a special limited edition digest, only to the dedicated bahr fans...I guess you just don't deserve getting one, sorry...
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:21:17 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Angra: Live At FNAC Message-ID: <33F2335D.E84B103A@caribe.net>
MTeiper@aol.com wrote:
> Greetingz - > > Just a quick question here: I was hoping that someone could pass onto > me the > complete track listing of the "Live at the FNAC" acoustic CD that > accompanied > some pressings of Angra's "Holy Land". I have heard that it is 3 > tracks (but > I am not sure). I believe that 2 of the tracks are "Angels Cry" and > "Never > Understand". Private e-mail is cool, but posted to the Jam is okay, > too. > > Thanx a lot... Matt T.
the track list is as follows
angels cry chega de saussade (i think i spelled it right) never understand..
--
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 19:45:06 PDT From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: mmm.... a little hostile,don't you think? Message-ID: <Chameleon.970813195322.omeraron@>
so i made a mistake!!!!!!!! so what? i'm human,no? but i have an important point to make to you guys: i wrote to the jam i think like 15 times,and nobody bothered to mention my name,only when i started to yelled on you,you dedicated a whole digest on me!!!! take this as a lesson,boys and girls,or like a wise man said: "let's stare the problem right in the eye" mike portnoy-mirror
BTW my name is omer!!!!!!!!!!! not homer!!!! not omar!!!!! omer!!! thanx for understanding cya...
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:31:50 -0700 From: "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Can't wait 'til September 24th? Well,... Message-ID: <33EF92D6.3A92@phnx.uswest.net>
I just got this E-mail from Jart Music (http://www.jartmusic.com/), an import/bootleg CD ordering service, who let's me know weekly of new releases in their possession...check it out:
WELCOME TO JART MUSIC'S NEW RELEASES ------------------------------------------------------------------------To order anything you see here e-mail-jartmusic@worldnet.att.net or call (914)-832-3669 fax (914)832-3697 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DREAM THEATER-FALLING INTO INFINITY + 2 $29.99 Japanese edition of the band's first new album in two years with two extra tracks of demo versions from this recording session.
I still don't understand why Japan gets all of the good stuff first. -- Steve Young syoung@phnx.uswest.net ***************************************** "Mmmmm...incapacitated." -- Homer Simpson
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:42:05 -0700 From: "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Now wait just a damn minute... Message-ID: <33EF953D.2FB2@phnx.uswest.net>
I think you will well remember this exchange on a previous 'Jam:
> Subject: fuckin jew
>> From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il >> Subject: shut the fuck up and listen to me for a second!!!!!! >> 1)there will not be a bonus tracks to the japanese version of FII!!! >> do you know why?!?!?!? >> i'll tell you!! >> because the totall run of the normal version of the cd is 78 fucking >> minutes!!! and the maximum length of a cd is 79 minutes!! so if they >> wanna have a bonus track they will have to do it very very fast,if >> you know what i mean.....
> why don't you just go to a marketplace and wait for a bomb to blow in > your face, huh?
> dumbass
> just get a clue, right?
Is it just me or did these last few comments (and the subject) seem just a little bit out of line? Or just downright idiotic? How about a little sensitivity here. Jeez, I'll be glad when all of this hostility generated by the bogus Anti-Bahr tirades is gone and we're back to killing each other over more important things...like whether Derek Sherinian is gay or not. :)
-- Steve Young syoung@phnx.uswest.net ***************************************** "Mmmmm...incapacitated." -- Homer Simpson
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:43:48 +0300 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Just another quicky.... Message-ID: <33F22A93.2301@Netvision.net.il>
Well,
It's question asking time...
So please tell me,
What does Carpe Diem mean?
Thanx, Shai
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Falling Into NeverNeverLand <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Air & Bahr Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96a.970813160859.66132C-100000@dante19.u.washington.edu>
> From: caber1@concentric.net > Subject: Bloody Arse--Air, and, I need it, man > > Side Note: I remember it had to do with compressed air. If this is true > for the voice, we might see JLB singing a stage spraying compressed air > around himself, while our ears start pouring blood! YEAH!!! :)
Heck with the stage, have DT perform inside a compression chamber. The acoustics in those things are great.
"I don't think any of you will be getting the bends tew-NIIIIIIIIGHT!!"
> Hey, could someone please send me jam #2857? I never got it, and, I > would like to have it.
Ytsejam #2857 doesn't exist.
---- > From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com> > Subject: Re: Bahr > > > What is he, a drug dealer?? When it comes down to it what he does is > > illegal and not cool. Brian Cox said himself he had DATs of stuff Bahr > > is going to make a profit of. Look around and trade. It's worth it. > > I think this is a bit of an oversimplification. People are generally > hatin' it when they don't have anything to trade. You can get so far on > 2:1, but people generally only trade for common shows 2:1.
Good point. But your post hardly made me feel accepting or happy or hopeful about a situation in which the distributor makes a profit and the supplier makes nothing. Whether that's Brian Cox's genuine gripe in this situation or not, that's what happened between he and Mike Bahr. What he said has been refuted by Mike himself, so at the moment all we can do to decide who's right look deep within our heart of hearts and convince ourselves that we trust one of them more than the other. The phrase "who's right" is synonymous with "who's telling the truth."
> I know I won't trade 2:1 the Euro '97 show I have. So what are people > supposed to do?
Find some nice folks on this list who will dub things for you for a blank cassette, a $5 check, or in some cases for free. Don't pretend that they don't exist, I got my start on the three sources listed above, and I ended up acquiring about 80% of the "rarities" that comprised "Scenes From A Memory" and "Antiquities" before I ever received the discs from Mike Bahr as compilations. I know he does many of the folks on this list a great service in what he does, but I was kind of annoyed when I found out that my $50 went towards a pinata of familiarity. (aren't I eloquent?)
> You mentioned Brian Cox in your previous posts. He is an excellent > example of the problems encountered in simple boot trading. Let me > first say that I have absolutely _NO_ problem with Brian, I'm just using > him as an example.
"Yeah, Brian Cox, he's like a brother to me. But for the purposes of this exercise I shall use him not only as a punching bag but also as a barfbag." :)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:26:46 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Just another quicky.... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970813162157.11891A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
Wait, I think I have a good answer for this one...
READ THE FAQ! :)
Yeah, I'm the big mouth who said "read the faq" first. Ya got a problem wit DAT!? Didn't tink so, foo! Seriously, I'm expecting another barrage of questions like,
What movie are the clips on A Change of Seasons from? Is Derek Sherinian gay? What does the symbol mean? Where did they get it? What's with the flaming heart?
I'll tell ya Carpe Diem means "Seize the Cock" er...something like that. But in tha future...READ THE FAQ.
~Eckie eckie Eckie ptangs SWIP zoom BOINGO!
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:57:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Attention recent Ytsejam subscribers Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970813195253.1760A-100000@viking.cris.com>
On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Shai Yallin wrote:
> Well, > > It's question asking time...
Tools for becoming a seasoned YtseJammer:
1. The DT FAQ. Read every word of it. Please point your Web browser to
http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
2. A dictionary of the English language (so you can look up such words as "carpe diem".)
Happy Jamming.
Rick Audet
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:05:51 -0600 From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Think about this shit before you post. Message-ID: <199708140011.RAA00467@odin.ax.com>
>Subject: Jews is Kewl. > >why don't you just go to a marketplace and wait for a bomb to blow in=
Hrm. Dave didn't send this, people. If he did, kick is ass privately, please. I just found out how easy it is the other day to forge mail headers, and when something like this comes up, please ignore it. It's most likely NOT Dave who's doing this. Notice Justin's all the sudden a kewl guy now? :) Dave's been around a long time and he knows the rules. Think before you flame from now on, K?
I made the mistake of attacking Justin as well, so I know how simple it is to let your emotions take over. This is real disgusting shit, but it's easier just to skip it than to keep reminding us (we who already know) how lame it is.
Thanks. Let's keep the sidetracking clutter to a minimum, alrighty? KorgX3 KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 03:42:17 +0300 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: fuckin nazi Message-ID: <33F25469.6126@Netvision.net.il>
> why don't you just go to a marketplace and wait for a bomb to blow in your > face, huh? > > dumbass > > just get a clue, right?
Listen, you nazi dumbass.
The guy made a mistake. So what. I think he's kinda jurk myself.
But this has nothing to do of his relegion, nor the country he lives at.
So shut the fuck up.
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