YTSEJAM Digest 2868
Today's Topics:
1) Re: flaming heart
by eckie@asu.edu
2) Re: flaming heart
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
3) unts unts unts
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
4) Ytseplates
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) :::::::::::::(
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
6) ....
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
7) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2865
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
8) angra
by didier goidin <goidin@broca.inserm.fr>
9) $$$$MAKE MONEY FAST$$$$ [subjects suck]
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
10) Fates Warning in Philly
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
11) Bahr and Bootlegs
by Kappa <kappa_rock@iol.it>
12) Fates in Cleveland
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
13) So shaddup :)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@wicked.stigmata.org>
14) T-Ride and thoughts
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
15) Re: DT Parody "Wait for sheep"
by "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
16) ?
by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:11:24 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: flaming heart
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970814011027.23756B-100000@general1.asu.edu>
> > In fact, the flaming
> >heart from Images and Words was a direct copy of the SHJ.
> SHJ ??
Silly Homophobic Jew
:)
~Eckie wrote this
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 02:00:50 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: flaming heart
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970814020048.0081f650@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 12:48 AM 8/14/97 -0700, it was written:
>
>> In fact, the flaming
>>heart from Images and Words was a direct copy of the SHJ.
>
>SHJ ??
>
>
>what is this...
The Sacred Heart of Jesus.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:14:32 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: unts unts unts
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970814091432.00660558@mail.telepac.pt>
'Bafu Vai'? Are you somehow related to Steve Vai or what? :)
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 07:28:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytseplates
Message-ID: <199708141128.HAA03964@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Steve Z said...
Those are pretty cool, but here in Mary Land I think you have to limit
yourself to 7 letters unless at least one of them is an "I." <Hmm...I
wonder if I could get 11 letters as long as they were all I's...>
Anyway, I just hope no one steals my idea : DRMTH8R
This means you, Jason Hartman! :)
---Don't worry about it. I'd actually thought of the exact same thing a few YEARS ago but decided against it because I thought most people would think it says "Drum Theater". OF course, what do I care what "most" people think. :)
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:18:06 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: :::::::::::::( Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970814111806.0066a218@mail.telepac.pt>
I've been trying to transfer some DT midis from my computer to my portable sequencer (Yamaha QY22). The midi files in the computer have 8 or more different instruments, but my sequencer has only 4 tracks (and more 4 tracks for patterns, which are useless in this case). I know that in my computer sequencer I can have several instruments in the same track (as long as they are assigned to different channels). Does anybody know how can I do the same with my portable sequencer (fit 8 or more intruments in only 4 tracks)?
___ | Pedro Filipe ___ * | * ___ & | * | * | Francisco Miguel *| \ | / |* (FleXable) * | \ /|\ / | * * | \ / | \ / | * * | \ | / | * * * | / \ | / \ | * * | / \|/ \ | * "To: ytsejam@ax.com *| / | \ |* Subject: asdf _|_* | *_|_ Message: unsubscribe DT" * | * _|_ DREAM THEATER
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 05:34:39 PDT From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: .... Message-ID: <19970814123440.28526.qmail@hotmail.com>
Christopher Ptacek wrote:
>But I think Mike Bahr is offering bootlegs of it for about $12... :)
hee hee...*ROFLMAO* *LOL*....yeah right... (By the way,I was being sarcastic)
-Vilzu-
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:44:50 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2865 Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970814124450Z-5699@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Steve wrote... >DREAM THEATER-FALLING INTO INFINITY + 2 $29.99 >Japanese edition of the band's first new album in two years with two >extra tracks of demo versions from this recording session. > >I still don't understand why Japan gets all of the good stuff first.
That's pretty simple. A domestic Japanese CD frequently costs more than an imported US or Euro version of the same thing - something to do with the small print runs, I believe, although I tend to think it's just gouging on the part of the Japanese labels. Consequently, Japan generally gets releases first - sometimes up to a month early - and they usually have bonus tracks. All of this is to encourage the Japanese consumer to buy the domestic product. Kind of ironic that while WE buy the Japanese imports, THEY are buying ours. :)
Mike
(it's a sig day...)
Division - DC Power/prog metal is alive and still recovering from Fates' onslaught... http://www.crosslink.net/~division or human email division@aol.com >
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:16:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: didier goidin <goidin@broca.inserm.fr> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: angra Message-ID: <l03020901b018cf734137@[193.49.126.152]>
Rogerio Brito wrote:
> > chega de saussade (i think i spelled it right) > > That should be "Chega de Saudade" (it's something like "No > More > Missing" -- in the sense of missing someone). >
thanx !! :) .. thats cool..
> > never understand.. > > But could you tell us something about the sound quality of > this > disc???
>um..its great quality..its an "official release live album"..what i mean >is that it has great sound.. hey which brings me to another question.. >does Andre re-do vocals in studio for holy live? or for live at fnac? he >seems so good and flawless... since i dont own any angra boots i cant >really tell...
I don't know about holy live (but they've certainly touch 'cause I was at the aquaboulevard show and the sound was not so good 'cause of the place which normally is an "exposition" room for paintings !!!!!) but about Live at FNAC this is exactly the sound. For information, They've done 3 others songs (carry on, time and stand away). Next year (1996), kiko and andre were in france for the promotion of Holy Land and they've done another accoustic show. and this year all the band was hear (in france !!!) and they've played more than 2 hours with some painkiller touch on keyboards (funny) and an accoustic version of wasted year (IM ....). About the boots I get Holy land in the east which got the great sound (nearly holy live without the mix thing) and the eyes of the christ which contains all the demo stuff for holy land (March 1995) The band is angry about that 'cause you can find 3 unreleased tracks on it (Spell, live and learn and eyes of christ good songs !!!)
didier
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:31:07 +0200 From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: $$$$MAKE MONEY FAST$$$$ [subjects suck] Message-ID: <33F3089B.1237E82E@algonet.se>
> From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) > Subject: Re: on to another fave subject..... > > And I just saw a tentative list for the next CD and it has Devil's Dance > (which is quite heavy:) and a Gemini 'trilogy' and an instrumental.... i'm > curious:)
that list is total bullshit, it was posted as a joke to the metallica ng and lots of people copied it to their homepages....
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> From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@netvision.net.il> > Subject: Just another quicky....
I could comment on the title, but I won't...instead, I'll ask you for the reason you didn't read the message you got upon subscribing to the jam...
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> From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il > Subject: mmm.... a little hostile,don't you think? > > so i made a mistake!!!!!!!! > so what? i'm human,no?
maybe you're just a smart monkey...
> but i have an important point to make to you guys: > i wrote to the jam i think like 15 times,and nobody bothered to > mention my name,
no one gives a shit about your name...(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)
> only when i started to yelled on you,you dedicated a > whole digest on me!!!!
apparently, most of the list is made up of masochists, that like it when people scream at them...
> take this as a lesson,boys and girls,or like a wise man said: > "let's stare the problem right in the eye" > mike portnoy-mirror
this wasn't written by moore, how can it be good?
> > BTW > my name is omer!!!!!!!!!!! > not homer!!!! not omar!!!!! > omer!!!
I'd say homer would be more appropriate, going along with the smart monkey theory...
> thanx for understanding
I didn't understand anything, would you please repost the whole thing? thank you very much...
> cya...
I doubt it...
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:52:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates Warning in Philly Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970814094848.16251A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
Yo,
Went to Fates Warning show in Philly on August the 10th. It was less then I expected. The stage presence was close to horrible but the music sounded good. Kinda wish they had a second guitar player for the older songs that they did. Ray Alder's voice is unbelievable live!! There was only approx. 150 people at the show and the band kinda acted like they didn't want to play. There was a lot of people in the audience yelling No Exit!!! And with about 45 mins left in the show people were getting up and leaving like a baseball game or some shit!!! I guess they won't be back in Philly any time soon!!
Later, Dan
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:39:38 +0000 From: Kappa <kappa_rock@iol.it> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bahr and Bootlegs Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970814163938.007f7220@popmail.iol.it>
Well as I'm also on Ytsejam from many years (changed many times email), and as I'm Italian and I REALLY know what the bootleg business work, I have to agree with Brian Cox about Bahr cd. I'm a videobootlegger sometimes I sold to guys who doesn't have nothing to trade, I'm the one who made the Milan 1997 videomix. And I bought some Mike Bahr cd also (the first and now "legendary" Subconscious). There is nobody in Luxemburgh that print stuff for anyone, two years ago laws changed in Luxembrug and the "gods of bootlegs" CD DE LUX close their farm... this farm worked with other names and it was the only farm that printed stuff in Luxembourg. After OrlandoBust almost every fuckin' guy who printed cdboots in Europe (and also in the States) was busted (check http://www.greyzone.com if I'm right this site is about RIAA), and actually in the world I think that cdboots are made only in Japan (legal printing, illegal selling) and in few places in germany (totally illegal). The future of the cdboots is CDR, actually many guys in this business print really EXPANSIVE cdr ($100/200)... the same thing was made by Mike Bahr... I'm not against cd made by Mike, he do really great quality stuff cds, but I don't like the way he sells. yes guys he make money from that (probably he don't swim in the money as he told in his recent reply), and that's ok, he makes the biz, he takes the risk, and gives limited cd. But that's illegal. A final note, as I'm a sound engineer I can surely tell that a CD x4 burner it's the worst equipment for printing AUDIO CD. Normally when I master stuff I master at x1 velocity... the reason is simple, cdburner mades lots of errors when is working x2 (these errors you don't listen to 'cause are 1 bit errors) ... you have to duplicate the errors using x4 and when too many errors are in the same places... your beautiful limitedcdboots stops running.... yes you can do them faster... but... :( faster ->>>>>> more cd in less times... Mike if you don't do this for business you will never buy a x4 cdburner...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check the best italian videobootlegs on my homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/6506/bootleg.htm email to:kappa@deathsdoor.com Just mixed with two cameras: ANGRA + MANOWAR June 97 and FATES WARNING June 97 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates in Cleveland Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970814115938.2882A-100000@unix16.andrew.cmu.edu>
Can anyone tell me what time the show starts, or who to call for ticket information?
-maximilian
Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:09:34 -0400 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: So shaddup :) Message-ID: <199708141609.MAA15667@wicked.stigmata.org>
He's BAAAACK! Ok, I'm way behind. But there's DTC! So shaddup :)
I'm not sure how long the medication will last, so I'll attempt to get this out quick....
]From: Hector Subject: You Not Me!!
> I hope we all keep an open mind and wait untill the entire album comes out > before we start jumping to any conclusions...
No fucking way! Wait "this"!!!!
Conclusion NOW: It WILL rock :)
So shaddup :)
I think it's great that the band ALLOWED us to get an advance listen to the stuff. Honestly, though, did you (not you Hector :) think they were going to pull out their best one for free? Gotta keep a couple of aces in the hole. It's only gonna get better. Food for thought.
So shaddup :)
> Thanks for listening... :)
Thank you for playing...the police have been notified :)
]From: Matt Subject: RE:Talking Shit about Dream Theater?
> Well, it's here, and the majority of posts is all bad news!
This (the bad news) is not reality...
]From: John Subject: PLEASE STOP SENDING ME THIS SH*T, and, my thoughts
The last dozen or so jams have caused the Shit detector to overflow it's stack, please perform a cold restart...
> They said something like could you tell what I&W would sound like by just > Another Day? I thought about this for a nano-second. And came up with could > you tell what would any DT CD would sound like by just one song? I can't...
That's what makes it fun: The discovery! You already enter into it knowing that the next song you haven't heard yet is going to be different. And yet, it's still gonna rip your head off :)
If you've never heard DT before, but have at least half a clue, you'll know when you hear the second tune what the deal is.
And that is: THERE IS NO DEAL!!!!
Each song is its own universe, with its own set of planets. Stop trying to form the planets for them. Hop in your vehicle and allow THEM to drive you there :)
What CAN this strange device be..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oh shit, it's starting to wear off...
There's a woman here at work who is into Jazz. We've been trading discs back & forth for a couple of weeks now. As I listen to each disc she lets me borrow, I refine my choice of the next disc I give to her to be more in line with her tastes. It's fun, and I've gotten to listen to some great stuff. For example:
Michel Camilo's "Thru My Eyes" is a must have for those of you into Jazz. I open up the liner notes and notice a guy mentioned on here before: John Patitucci on Bass. Whoever it was that mentioned him, thanks. He does in fact play the crap out of the fretless. For me, though, the standout is Horacio "El Negro" Hernandez on Drums. He is quite ill :)
http://www.nettuno.it/ejn/camilo
Ok, Ok, I'll shaddup.....
Jon
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:36:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: T-Ride and thoughts Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970814141413.569A-100000@qix.rs.itd.umich.edu>
not necessarily in that order....
> yikes! i fergot to delete the rest of the quotes on that post... sorry > Ernie
i forgive ya.....it were pearly words repeated, after all...... <G>
> From: "Randy Shewey" <randyshewey@msn.com>
you wouldn't happen to be a pitcher for the Cleveland Indians, would you? (i *think* that's his name....)
about t-ride, went out to lunch, stopped in a used cd place and picked up a disc called t-ride, featuring songs like "zombies from hell" and "bad girls and angels" and musicians named dan arlie eric valentine and jeff tyson......would this be the same t-ride folks on here look for every once in a while with the lament that it's out of print?
about fates warning 6 hours 'til the doors open (which prolly means 9 til they get on stage) but hey, I am sooooo ready.......that club better be half-decent......
and finally.....India (the country) turns 50 years old tomorrow, celebrating a great half-century free of those damn brits (Hi Graham, Dave, Ed, and all the rest of you UK jammers).......I invite y'all to join me in a toast to my origins......
Partha Sarathi Mukhopadhyay
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:41 -0700 (MST) From: "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT Parody "Wait for sheep" Message-ID: <19970814184837.AAA7530@localHost>
" ~Eckie grins sheepishly "
Becareful and watch your backside if you do that in Texas!
(I have my custom fitted Aluminized Proximity Suit on w/ a Fire Extinguisher standing by so don't even bother to Flame Me.)
Ytse on Dudes, (not you Vince)
eD
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:30:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ? Message-ID: <199708141930.AA04999@metronet.com>
can someone clue me in to what exactly is the dispute here? someone said that i said things and bahr refuted them, adn it comes down to who do you trust...
well, i dont knwo which part of this is in question. it seemed that someone thought i was pissed because i didnt make money of the cd's. that is not the case, i dont need the money. i just wanted to be informed that it was happening, maybe have a chance to tell mike that i didnt feel comfortable with the stuff being put out on cd.
the facts are: (and i am sure mike bahr will agree)
1. i taped the shows 2. i cloned the shows for him on blanks he sent me and returned them (i didnt keep any "free" tapes or money or anything) 3. at this point (early '96) i emailed with him quite a bit. he talked about the possibility of putting out a cd with one of the shows on it, but said he wanted the DATs right away just so he could listen to them (that is why i sent all 4 of them not just one which is what i would have done if he wanted it for a cd) 4. much time goes by, i dont hear from mike for over a year, maybe a year and a half. i have friends that still collect boot cd's, even mike's, and i never heard anything about the hsows being put on cd, so i forget about it.. 5. last week i decide to start redaing ytsejam's again to see some info about the new album. i read a mention of "darkest of winters" cd and remember that i actually suggested that to mike a long long time ago for the name of the cd he would possibly make from one of those shows. i went to his web page after doing a net search at search.onramp.net because i didnt even know where his page was. i saw the cd, got pissed that he never told me that he ended up doing it because i was no longer comfortable with him doing it with my tapes, adn i posted the post to the jam that i did. as mike has mentioned to me maybe i should have emailed him first but i was mad and surprised and oh well. i still feel everything i felt when i posted that. 6. contrary to what d. khoe said, i am not a "bootlegger". i tape shows. 95% of them i have permission to do so. for the odd show that i do not have permission for i usually have the blessing of the artist but not their management. i do not sell tapes or profit in any way from them. i am on many tape trees and have provided seeds for many trees also. mostly phish, moe., and blues traveler. all bands that encourage taping. i can say that just about every artist would agree that taping a show for personal and trading purposes only is different than selling 1000 cd's of a show on the internet for profit. i go out of my way to help phish and moe. newbies by copying shows for people i meet at the shows. if the entire band (dream theater) did not mind selling copies of shows then surely they would allow open audience taping. they dont. one can only assume that they do not all approve of taping or that they all do and would rather us have to pay for the show than to get it for free, which i seriously doubt.
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