YTSEJAM Digest 2870
Today's Topics:
1) The jam is histerical :)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
2) Re: CD and sampling tech
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
3) AMPEG for sale
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
4)
by Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
5) Is there an audio engineer in the house?
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
6) Re: your mail
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
7) MP3 stuff...same problem
by Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
8) new songs
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
9) G3, Bleeding Me
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2865
by Drm2theatr@aol.com
11) DT songs with strange time signature?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
12) CD burner at quad speed
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2865
by eckie@asu.edu
14) Re: DT songs with strange time signature?
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
15) Brian and me
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
16) Re: DT songs with strange time signature?
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:02:21 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The jam is histerical :)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970814180219.00824920@postoffice.syspac.com>
The following has been satirized for your enjoyment :)
At 03:20 PM 8/14/97 -0700, Nightcast wrote:
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And you people are bitching about Omer's English! Geez!
Brian Cocks wrote:
>can someone clue me in to what exactly is the dispute here?
Yeah, they...er...WE want you to shut up. No one gives a fuck anymore.
I'm still buying Bahr CDs. If you come up with some good shit, like people
say you have, e-mail me and let's talk :)
More Cocks:
>i didnt feel comfortable with the stuff being put out on cd.
I didn't feel comfortable while puking up your sister's curlies, but
that's a different story :)
Even more of Brian's Cocks:
>the facts are: (and i am sure mike bahr will agree)
This should be mandatory after every statement :)
Examples?
Dream Theater's new album is: (and i am sure mike bahr will agree)
My goat has a 4 inch clit (and i am sure mike bahr will agree)
Mark is Itchy because he has some weird venereal disease (and i am sure
mike bahr will agree).
That'd be great, ya? Well, maybe not :)
>6. contrary to what d. khoe said, i am not a "bootlegger". i tape shows.
BOOTLEGGER!!! BOOTLEGGER!!! That's what you are!!
Na - na - na - na - na - naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
;)~
Mark Bredius wrote:
> Ytse-Elitist Eckie wrote :
>
>> Yeah, I'm the big mouth who said "read the faq" first.
I think Eckie started a thread, read on :)
>> What movie are the clips on A Change of Seasons from?
>
>> Is Derek Sherinian gay?
>
>> What does the symbol mean? Where did they get it?
>
>> What's with the flaming heart?
>
> Why is Chris Ptacek a hermaphrodite with 8 titties and 3 schlongs?
>
Gee, looks like a Phucking FAQ to me :)
>Bafu Vai wrote :
>> Boy, I remember my first time, oooh it was so good...
>
> Did the sheep like it too ?
Yes I did.
Even more Marx:
> Fuck, I was just about to write a parody with that title...
> I'm still working on a porn version of Metropolis, though :-)
"Death is the first sucking bimbooooooooooooo!"
I love fucking with DT lyrics, heheh
"Now you've made a fortune in thighs,
and you've kept men's peckers allliiiiiivvvvvvee!"
"It's time to pick up the bitches in Times Square...uuhn!"
"But I will hold this one up high above me still"
(that one didn't need much, huh? ;)
Oh yeah, and for you Brain Donors fans:
UNDER A JAMACIAN MOON
;)~
More Bredius:
> It'll be called Wet-Throbolis :-))
Great. A porno from a guy named Itchy. This I DON'T wanna see!
Laterz All,
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:00:44 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: CD and sampling tech
Message-ID: <33F3AA3C.3D522C38@caribe.net>
Chris Oates wrote:
> Okay, I haven't read up on the specifics of the tech, so I'm pulling
> most
> of this out of my butt:
>
> I've never heard of a CD encoded at anything other than 16-bit,
> 44.1Khz. I
> think thew original post about increasing the length of a CD by using
> 13-bit encoding was a JOKE.
well..theres 20bit mastering.. Steve Vai's fire garden and Yanni's
(hehe) in the mirror both use 20 bit mastering.. as for Khz on those i
dont relaly know..
> "At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur.
The risk to survival is severe."
Ian Malcolm
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
mailto:progboy@mindless.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:05:50 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: AMPEG for sale
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970814180548.0081c740@postoffice.syspac.com>
Hey all,
Sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but I've got to sell this thing soon.
It's a 150 watt guitar amplifier head. Please, anyone who's seriously
interested in it e-mail me as soon as possible. Thanks
My Price: $200
Original price: $500-$600
Model #: Ampeg SS-150H
Solid state
150 watt
2 channel (clean, lead)
Analog reverb (actual reverb coils)
Stereo
Supports both 4 ohm and 8 ohm speakers
Effects loop w/ splitable preamp and power amp sections
Separate controls for each channel:
(GAIN, LOW, MID, HIGH...pull for bright)
Two Button footswitch that changes channels and Reverb On/Off
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:22:23 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970814222223.00704924@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca>
>(often called resolution) is your y resolution. Increasing the bits allows
>for smoother curves since you have a creater number of values for the
>aplitude of the wave, and increasing the rate allows for higer pitched
>sounds to be heard, since pitch is directly related to frequency, and you
>need at least 2 samples per wave period to be able to hear the sound. So,
>at 44.1 Khz, the highest frequency encoded is in the 22Khz range, and so on.
I'm not an audio engineer, but I do have a basic knowledge of physics and
how sound is digitally sampled, and I know for a fact that this is
completely wrong. For one thing, no human can hear sounds at 44 KHz - the
range of human hearing is roughly from about 20 Hz to 20 KHz, so that
disproves the above right away. If what you said had any truth to it, all
CD's would be recorded at 8 KHz or lower, because very few musical
instruments have a higher range than that - the 4th octave above middle-C
is something like 4000 KHz. Secondly, look at the term "SAMPLING RATE", and
think about what that means. The 44.1 KHz you're talking about means that
44,100 samples are taken per second. So it's the "x-axis" in your example.
If I'm not mistaken (I'm only assuming here), the bit sampling is
responsible for dynamic resolution. In other words, it's the y-axis of the
graph. The graph would look the same whether you record in 8-bit, 16-bit,
or whatever, but recording at a higher bitrate would make changes in
dynamics smoother. You're right that both the bitrate and sampling rate
affect the resolution of the recording, but you've got them reversed.
(BTW, I know you're wrong because if there were any truth to what you said,
all CD's would be recorded at 8 KHz or lower, because very few musical
instruments have a higher range than that - the 4th octave above middle-C
is something like 4000 KHz...)
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:08:15 -0700
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Is there an audio engineer in the house?
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970814200809.006be33c@pop3.concentric.net>
Welcome to the YtseAdvisor.
Today's topic: Looking Up Facts Before Spewing Forth A Load of Smegma.
Enter Chris Oates. He wrote some stuff about digital audio which was
fundamentally correct.
Enter Lars Hellsten. He wrote some stuff about Chris Oates being completely
wrong, without the use of a reference source to justify his false claims.
What does the YtseAdvisor recommend?
_Principles of Digital Audio_, by Ken Pohlmann, 3rd Edition, 1995.
After buying a dictionary, pick up this above item, and then wipe the
smegma from your lips. The custodian will clean up what was left on the floor.
DTC: Ken Pohlmann loves Dream Theater.
Rick Audet
Audio Engineer
Dolby Labs
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 00:10:46 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: your mail
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970815000711.22570A-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Lars Hellsten wrote:
> (BTW, I know you're wrong because if there were any truth to what you said,
> all CD's would be recorded at 8 KHz or lower, because very few musical
> instruments have a higher range than that - the 4th octave above middle-C
> is something like 4000 KHz...)
Don't get this for granted, since I heard this from not so
trustable source, but it still makes sense (just do a test with your
computer). The big problem is that when you have low sampling rates, you
get noise nearer the audible range. When you have higher sampling rates,
the noise is less audible...
Hope someone can tell me more about this or point to a technical
link on the net (I'd *REALLY* love if I had this chance of learning more
about how CDs work).
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:21:11 -0400 From: Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com> To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MP3 stuff...same problem Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970814232111.00798c20@nh.ultranet.com>
Hello. I had some problems with the MP3 player and files... I finally got to this address to get a great MP3 file player: www.nullsoft.com/amp ]From there you can download for free, an MP3 Player. Its great. I've gotten To Live Forever, Mission Impossible, the Yes Medley, and You not Me. All work great. I did have problems playing the yes medley when it was on that other server but it works when you get it from: www.auburn.net/~swifty/dtstuff.htm To get this to work right, you have to click once on the yes medley link and save the link to your hard drive. Then just download it that way. I use a program called getright which is handy. I hope this helps! Peace... seriously..the jam has been a stomping grounds for flames. Relax, don't take things so personally. Tony
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:35:19 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new songs Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970814203511.006c6248@cats.ucsc.edu>
Hey, the zipped .mp3 files now downloaded fine for me with Netscape. Thanks Arash. Now, since I've been out of it lately, where can one find You Not Me?
__ /\ __ __\/__\/__ ~Chris \_||_/ http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ /__||__\ // \ | \\ "Let nothing bleed into nothing, and did nothing at all" \| Jim Matheos, Fates Warning, "A Pleasant Shade of Gray"
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:51:49 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: G3, Bleeding Me Message-ID: <19970815023830.AAA29808@sni.pananet.com>
Well, I got the G3 cd today, and here are my comments:
Live version of Cool #9 is AWESOME. I hope Joe's recording his next CD with Stu and and John (if it's Mover, don't remember righht now) . These guys know Joe's music. The guys on the last CD are all smokin' on their own, but I don't think they 'understand' Joe's music.
<in a 'Clueless' type voice> Stu Hamm cut his hairrrroh my gooooooooooood.
Eric Johnson kicks ass.
Steve Vai kicks ass.
Mike Fucking Keneally is fookin' amazing. that'a him doubling Vai's lines on 'Attitude Song' right? Fuuuuuuck. And I've heard he plays the piano part from 'Angel Food' too? What would Steve do w/o that guy.... i have to get his solo stuff... Boil the Dust Speck, reight?
The jams are really cool. My fave is My guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama. hey, I'm a Zappa fan, I can't help it:)
All in all, this CD makes me wish I had seen this concert... (most prticularly the one where Vai and Johnson come out for the encore with bald caps and shades). I certainly hope they keep doing this regularly...every 1-2 yrs or so.
On to other things: a while ago Vince mentioned something about Metallica'a 'Bleeding Me'. Well here are the lyrics: caught under wheels roll, i take the LEECH I'm bleeding me can't stop to save my soul, i take the leash that's leading me.
Makes a lot more sense now don't it? :)
DTDT: It'd be funny if LaBrie came out on stage one night with one hand in his pocket and doing a peace sign with the other, saying "Hey look! I'm Alanis!"
lalalala Ernie
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:47:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Drm2theatr@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2865 Message-ID: <970814234554_-219156776@emout09.mail.aol.com>
CAN U SOME ONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT DOES CARPE DIEM mean?
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:03:13 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT songs with strange time signature? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970815001439.22570C-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
Hi, there.
Since those time signature topics were popping here, I asked a friend here on my University to tell me what they mean (well, I must admit that I'm a complete ignorant when it comes to music and that I only hear Dream Theater because I think the music is interesting -- I don't understand anything about the technical point of view).
Now that I (at least) think that I have a vague idea of what these numbers mean, my friend told me that most of the rock songs (he said: 99%) uses the 4/4 time signature. And I said that I heard Dream Theater use other time signatures that are not this "usual" (as he said). I sincerely don't know and I promised him that I'd bring him a CD with a song that I think that is not written with this 4/4 signature, but that I were not sure of what I was talking about.
So, I'd like to ask you if you could indicate me which songs have "weird" time signatures (if you could indicate a 4/4 song for my own experiences hearing, I'll love).
Thank you very much for any information, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:26:22 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD burner at quad speed Message-ID: <199708150426.VAA22945@goodnet.com>
In regard to the recent post about errors at 4x CD writing... well, the newer writers are getting better at not having errors, and it's really not feasible for me to go any slower if I hope to get this stuff all out on time. In time when I've got several machines doing the writing, I can drop to double speed again (never to single). Perhaps recordings of studio fidelity would suffer at 4x, but even the soundboard stuff I have on my CDs doesn't sound any different. And I have a system sufficient to let me know if it did.
Ah well. There's no really good answer to this problem right now, so I just have to do it as best I can and hope everything goes well. For those of you asking about current CD runs... I am doing nothing but PT and TDOW this week in hope of eating up big chunks of the backlog. I just spent 2 weeks on Virtual Songs so maybe it's high time. :)
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:31:08 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2865 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970814212549.15572C-100000@general5.asu.edu>
> > CAN U SOME ONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT DOES CARPE DIEM mean? > This is a joke, right? I left, in a rare moment of air-headedness, my sarcasm on the kitchen floor.
If it ain't, well. What should we do with nature boy here, D-Man? (They show that flick way too often on HBO now) If you read the last digest (you, the dood who asked) you'd know by now.
It means "I'm gonna flatten you like a fuckin' pancake, BOYEEEEEEEEE!!!!" Oof, I just had a strange vision of Robin Williams breaking some college student's neck, then climbing a bell tower with some dynamite sticks and jello shots....
~Eckie plays way too much Blood for his own gude
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 00:40:06 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT songs with strange time signature? Message-ID: <33F3DDA5.6539D5C7@caribe.net>
Rogerio Brito wrote:
> > > So, I'd like to ask you if you could indicate me which songs > have > "weird" time signatures (if you could indicate a 4/4 song for my own > experiences hearing, I'll love). > > Thank you very much for any information, Roger...
take him Images And Words..play for him Metropolis, specially the middle part, learning to live, and TTT, i thnk that should bee nough .. any other suggestions guys?
> > > - "At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur.
The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com mailto:progboy@mindless.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:49:55 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Brian and me Message-ID: <199708150449.VAA25861@goodnet.com>
There's no further dispute between Brian Cox and me. I just wanted the list to know it was settled. We basically just completely didn't communicate with each other so neither of us knew what the other one wanted in regard to the tapes etc. So no more about that, please. :)
Tornadoes in Gilbert? It's true, an hour ago three funnels touched down and ripped up some open property. Power never went out, so CD production continues uninterrupted. I just thought I'd share that oddity with the list, because this area gets tornadoes about as often as it gets snowfall.
The long version of Raise The Knife isn't all that different from the short version.
Anyone notice how awesome Theater of Dreams is? I wish we had full color with full photo spreads for the IAW fanzine. Neil's doing great with content, to be sure, but that dutch fanzine is AWESOME... I wish I could read it! :) I can kinda sorta tell what's being said though. I guess I took enough Latin, French, and German to kinda use deductive reasoning.
Anyone work at a computer wholesaler? I'm putting together a subsidiary machine to help with CD production now that I've repaired my old CD burner (the SCSI card was toast though). It'd have to be at least a P166 with 32 megs of ram. I have the hard drive space already. A minimal SVGA monitor, and chassis would also be necessary. Let me know if you have the connections here, and I'll steer my business toward you... Melissa got a sort of "upgrade in employment" so I'll be able to drop more into CD production now.
I hope nobody thinks any of this is off-topic. I'm really trying to keep it relevant.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:49:03 -0600 From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT songs with strange time signature? Message-ID: <199708150454.VAA15241@odin.ax.com>
> So, I'd like to ask you if you could indicate me which songs have >"weird" time signatures (if you could indicate a 4/4 song for my own >experiences hearing, I'll love).
Just play him the midsection of Metropolis and watch his jaw drop. Especially during that nifty part where it switches from 7/8 to 9/8 to 13/16 to 7/8 to 12/8 to 9/8 to 5+7/8 in the space of 9 measures. heheh. Jeez, I never actually paid attention to those sigs, but holy moley, that's a freaked up freaky thing! Sounds kewl, though, however boring it may be. :)
>CAN U SOME ONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT DOES CARPE DIEM mean?
Hello Mr. Caps Lock. Carpe Diem is a kind of scum sucking bottom dwelling fish inhabiting the turgid waters of Bluegill Pond located in South Central Ytsegonia. Often mistaken to be blind, this aquarian creature bumps into the bottoms of boats quite frequently and it is not unheard of for people to catch this unintelligent fish with their bare hands. Although few people find this species of fish edible, many choose only to catch them and use them to bait other fish. This aquatic creature, however, has one defense system: it can suck in large amounts of water and become grossly repugnant, while simultaneously bearing an indistinguishable resemblance to Rush Limbaugh. Most of it's natural enemies flee in terror at the site of this repulsive, bloated mass.
Now you know all about the carpe diem. Next Question? KorgX3 KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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