YTSEJAM Digest 2876
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2875
by rickbond <rickbond@concentric.net>
2) Samplers/demos
by satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen)
3) YTSEJAM digest 2874
by Christophe Thomas <Christophe.Thomas@bull.net>
4) Help?
by Christopher Steidel <steidelc@musashi.gsgis.K12.VA.US>
5) Tiggers is a wonderful thing!
by "Tigger" <tigger@pooh.corner>
6) TIME SIGS ?:0
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
7) Mike Bahr: the myth, the man, the legend
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
8) More about time sigs....
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
9) Petrucci Question
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
10) Re: Help?
by eckie@asu.edu
11) Re: Tiggers is a wonderful thing!
by eckie@asu.edu
12) Yelling in Analog...or Digital
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
13) weird dreams, analog/digital
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
14) The Old Argument: Digital vs. Analog
by Jeff DiBartolomeo <jdibart@li.net>
15) No Offense, Aliens, Sleepy Hollow
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:06:14 -0400
From: rickbond <rickbond@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2875
Message-ID: <33F72F85.BEF3B111@concentric.net>
> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 07:51:18 -0600
> From: "woot"
> Subject: Geoff Tate
>
> well I caught the QR concert on audionet.com last night, and while the
> sound sucked (real audio) it was good enough to hear that Geoff Tate's
> voice is really hurting. I heard he was sick, so maybe that's it, but I
> doubt it. He had trouble hitting tons of notes that weren't even the
> slightest bit "high." most of the high notes he didn't even attempt. All
> these ppl that have been posting about how he was still right on and
> everything have been fooling themselves. Word of advice: If you sing, don't
> smoke.
>
I saw Queensryche play in the beginning of August at Great Woods in
Massachusetts. I feel, and have been told by music instructors, that I
have a very good ear for music. You say that some of us have been
fooling ourselves. I'm sorry, but Geoff did an incredible job when I
saw them. I think I may have heard one weak note. MAYBE.
Hey...everyone has a bad night. I know I have had a few over the
years. :) I'm not bashing you for this, I just wanted to share my
thoughts.
Take Care
Rick
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:29:40 +0300 (EET DST)
From: satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Samplers/demos
Message-ID: <199708171729.UAA11359@ds9.sci.fi>
>No, not really. If you've never heard the band before, how is a little
>snippit of a song going to do anything? If all samplers are like that,
>it's kind a of a stupid concept. Give me a demo any day.
>Alison
Listening to the samplers I've gotten in all these years
I'd have to say that the minute or so the bands usually put on the
samplers of few songs is a good enough time at least for me to make
a picture of the band whether I like them or not.
If you don't like samplers, don't get them ! And if you're interested
in hearing new bands, buy demos. But of course, you have to PAY for
them, that might be too much for you since you've never heard the
bands music before. I'm just interested in hearing new bands and I
don't mind paying that 4 dollars they usually ask for demos (in Finland
anyway).And you should read the reviews of the demos, that might help
you out a lot. If you know the reviewers (?) taste in music and you like
the same stuff, it should be pretty easy to pick out the demos you
might like. And you can always write to the band and ask what
their music is about and maybe ask a sampler of one WHOLE song if
possible. If that helps you to choose what you're going to buy.
These are the methods I often use and they work well. But as I said,
I don't mind paying 4 dollars from music I've never heard before.
Surprise yourself, support new bands and get to know some cool bands
that might make it someday. I know I've bought a lot of great
demos and to mention a few bands that made it, that I've written
to years ago there's Malevolent creation, Panic, Cynic, Amboog-a-lard,
Steelheart, B-Thong, Backyard Babies, Killing Addiction, Mozart...
Some of those aren't together anymore though. Too bad.
It's fun to watch the bands grow and it gives so much to hear
new music. Just try it !
Satu
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:56:03 +0100
From: Christophe Thomas <Christophe.Thomas@bull.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2874
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:49:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Steidel <steidelc@musashi.gsgis.K12.VA.US>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Help?
Message-ID: <199708171949.PAA20710@musashi.gsgis.K12.VA.US.>
Recently at a music store I was gonna buy some Fates Warning or Savatage
when I realized that I have no clue what albums are worth buying by each
and and which are only for the diehard fans. Can anyone recommend what
would be good introductory albums by each band? Thanks in advance.
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:43:34 -0600
From: "Tigger" <tigger@pooh.corner>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tiggers is a wonderful thing!
Message-ID: <199708171949.MAA11860@odin.ax.com>
*Boing* *Boing* *Boing*
>I just heard a song by Beck that ends with a sample of Vai's horsey-noise
>from the end of "Bad Horsie." Atrocious.
It's a therrible thing tho be thtealin thamples from Thtevie. Therrible,
therrible! All tiggers hate, hate, hate Beck, and all tiggers know!
>>> Did the sheep like it too ?
>>
>> Yes I did.
>
>That was YOU in that costume, Vince?? Makes sense, I mean I was wondering
>why it kept going "ooh, whoah, dat feelsa so gooda..."
Oh, my! And I wondered why Eeyore was limping this morning, Woo hoo!
>> Hello Mr. Caps Lock. Carpe Diem is a kind of scum sucking bottom
>
>heheheheh Itchy better be cataloguing this wildlife!
He better be keeping track of us tiggers, too! Woo hoo!
Tiggers is a wonderful thing, a wonderful thing is tiggers! Woo hoo!
Tigger
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:01:44 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TIME SIGS ?:0
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970817190144.006641c8@mail.telepac.pt>
>They can sound similar if you accent (in the 3/4 measure) the first and
>fourth eighth notes, as mentioned earlier, but that's a mangling of
>notation and not the way it's intended to be.
Where are the accents supposed to be in a 4/4 measure,
a 3/4 measure, and a 6/8 measure?
I think that in 4/4, the accents are in beats 1 and 3
(not sure though).
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:22:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mike Bahr: the myth, the man, the legend
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970817162151.8211B-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
Hey folks-
Well, I thought I'd share a really weird dream that I had the other night.
Anyways, in my dream, I emailed Mike about when my CDs were gonna get to
me. He said some date. Five days later I receive a huge (lifesize) package
from Mike Bahr. It turns out it was a dead body. I'm like holy shit! Then
I hear other posts from jammers about receiving dead bodies. A couple days
after I received the body, I receive another package from Mike and lo and
behold it was a CD. I'm like "what the fuck?" First he sends me a body and
then he just sends me a CD like nothing ever happened. The same day I get
the CD, I get a a voice mail from Mike which says, "hahaha...you never
know what you're gonna get from Mike bahr. It could be a CD, or it COULD
be a dead body. Ha ha ha." I was really freaked out by all this...
And then I woke up.
Fucked up isn't it? I think I'll go take my medication now. :)
Brandon
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:04:11 +0300
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More about time sigs....
Message-ID: <33F7674B.4981@Netvision.net.il>
Well, there's like this unison in UAGM that starts at 3:59
and it's basicly 2 mesures of 4/4 and 1 of 3/4.
Now my question for all of u smart guys is:
Is it defined as 11/4 or as 2 x 4/4 + 3/4?
why is it defined that way (include an explanation with your
answer)
Thanx a lot,
Shai
BTW this song RULEZ!!!
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:19:42 -0400
From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
To: YtseGods <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Petrucci Question
Message-ID: <33F778FE.C63@enter.net>
I'm not sure if this has been asked before, but a friend of mind asked
me to ask.
Does JP have a sister and if so, is her name Roxi Petrucci?
My friend showed me a CD sleeve of Vixon and the drummer's name was Roxi
Petrucci. Interesting huh?
So let me and the jam know if this is true, if you know.
Or maybe it was JP in wig....hahaha
later,
Bruce D. Duesterhoeft
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:03:53 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Help?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970817160308.16592A-100000@general5.asu.edu>
> Recently at a music store I was gonna buy some Fates Warning or Savatage
> when I realized that I have no clue what albums are worth buying by each
> and and which are only for the diehard fans. Can anyone recommend what
> would be good introductory albums by each band? Thanks in advance.
I can answer the Savatage part:
EDGE OF THORNS!!!! Damn fine album.
~Eckie thinks Mike Bahr would agree
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:05:25 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Tiggers is a wonderful thing!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970817160429.16592B-100000@general5.asu.edu>
Tigger's a prog rocker? Holy shit!
~Eckie draws Tigger with leather pants 'n long hair
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:25:00 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yelling in Analog...or Digital
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970817202457.00690538@mail.ici.net>
> Someone mentioned that Digital recording is not favoured by some artists,
>mentioning Joe Satriani (and I can add Yngwie Malmsteen, who said this in an
>interview). Could a techie on this list please explain this, possibly in
layman
>terms? In the end, both analog and digital recordings end up on a digital
>medium, so what's the 'advantage' of recording analog? To me, it seems
like an
>excuse to have a lower recording budget (not intended as flame bait).
Think of recording digitally like a movie. Everyone knows that when you
watch a movie, it's not fluid motion that you're seeing, but rather a
series of frames strung together fast enough to fool your eyes into
*thinking* it's motion.
Digital recording is just like that, opnly rather than the 60 (?) frames
per second that movies usde, digital audio is sampled over 44,000 times per
second. Each sample is then "approximated", so that it can be represented
in the digital language of 1's and 0's. The reason some people prefer
analog recording, is because they believe this "approximation" dilutes (or
takes something away from) the music.
Of course, when you record analog, you run into more media problems (read
the liner notes to Boston's "Third Stage" for a crash course. :)). You can
play a .WAV file a million times, and it's always going to sound exactly
the same, but play a tape of the same thing a million times (or however
many you can before the tape breaks), and you *will* hear differences creep
in.
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Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one?
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:38:37 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: weird dreams, analog/digital
Message-ID: <19970818004817.AAA27200@sni.pananet.com>
So i had very starnge dream last night. I can't remember all of it, but I
had just bought 'Falling to Infinity' and then there seemed to be some kind
of attack or something. There was spaceship outside, and i kept saying
"Their technology is very similiar to the Borg", and somewhere during the
dream the ship turned into a big cube.
Anyways, the funny part was when my Mom tells me that I should pack all the
essentials, in case we have to run away somewhere.
What do I pack?
FII, my guitar, and some extra underwear
it's nice to know my subconcious has it's priorities straight:)
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> From: Richard Karsmakers <cronos@worldaccess.nl>
>
> Someone mentioned that Digital recording is not favoured by some
artists,
> mentioning Joe Satriani (and I can add Yngwie Malmsteen, who said this in
an
> interview). Could a techie on this list please explain this, possibly in
layman
Well. from my experience, the biggest difference is always in the actual
recording process. When you mix and/or master using digital or analog
doesn't make that drastic of a change (except that analog loses quality
with every copy).
But the basic idea is that analog gives a warmer, more bassy sound. And
when you record above the peak level, the effect is a lot more pleasant in
analog (tape saturation). Look at it this way; after the peak level, in
analog, that wave fades away gradually, while in digital is simplycut off.
So digital doesn't capture certain high frequencies, or better said, the
interaction of high frequencies. as well as analog.
Compare a CD that was recorded in DDD to one in ADD, and I think you'll
notice a diiference. Pay close attention to cymbals. I really can't stand
how cymbals sound when recorded digitally. They have a very harsh high end.
Anyways, that's what I've been told from a sound engineer. Maybe I'm
wrong, but it makes sense to me.
Ernie
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:16:05 -0400
From: Jeff DiBartolomeo <jdibart@li.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Old Argument: Digital vs. Analog
Message-ID: <v03102800b01d306cd45a@[10.5.163.106]>
Richard Karsmakers asked:
> Someone mentioned that Digital recording is not favoured
>by some artists... Could a techie on this list please
>explain this, possibly in layman terms? In the end, both
>analog and digital recordings end up on a digital
>medium, so what's the 'advantage' of recording analog? To
>me, it seems like an excuse to have a lower recording
>budget (not intended as flame bait).
Well, Rich, the argument that digital recording isn't as good as analog
recording is because it does indeed lose some of the ambiance that an
analog recording has. The reason why is because a digital recorder takes a
normal waveform and tries to create digital replica of it. The problem is
that, unless you had a 1-million-bit sampling rate (which is basically
impossible), the sound wave becomes a "connect-the-dots" kind of thing,
where the sound wave "loses something" between the dots. It is true that
digital doesn't sound as natural as analog, it's just a question of whether
or not the human ear can differentiate between the two, which is the main
debate that's been going on for 10-or-so years. Some people say that
digital doesn't "feel" as good, which makes sense because most people's ear
may not be sensitive enough to hear the difference, but subconsciously you
might pick it up.
You're absolutely right about the fact that the music is eventually
digially mastered for CD, but I guess musicians are more concerned about
the sound as they're recording it. Or maybe they're thinking "if I track
analog, at least the cassette and vinyl (remember records) will sound
nice." Also, many of these quotes were in the early days when CD's were
still a minority and vinyl was still alive.
Actually, in my experience it's _considerably_ more expensive to track in
an analog studio because you need to have an engineer/assistant changing
reels and splicing tape and stuff. In a digital studio, you pop in a tape
(or write straight to a hard drive) and you're done. Also, a piece of
analog tape that's 2" thick and running at 15 inches-per-second (IPS) is
certainly more expensive than a piece of 1/8" digital tape (or a hard drive
that's reused many times). Also, digital machines seem to (in my
experience) rewind and autolocate MUCH faster than analog machines (and
every minute spent in a pro studio equals several dollars). For example,
my TASCAM DA-88's rewind about 1 minute of tape per second (I'm not sure of
the actual number, but it is FAST), whereas an analog machine is much
slower because it's easier to break the tape or something when it's
spooling onto that big reel. So the reason to go analog is usually to
record in a "vintage" studio with all analog gear and get that analog
sound, not to save money.
Hope this answers your questions. Folks, please feel free to correct me if
I screwed any of this up... I'm a relative beginner at this digital stuff,
myself.
-Jeff
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Jeff DiBartolomeo
"Parallel lives. Running parallel with you.
To the point where our horizons divide.
My opinion is just a point of view
and your position is the other side."
- Fates Warning, 1991
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Email: jdibart@li.net
URL: http://www.li.net/~jdibart/chaos-theory/
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:14:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Falling Into Lasciviousness <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: No Offense, Aliens, Sleepy Hollow
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96a.970817204053.48694D-100000@dante05.u.washington.edu>
> From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
> Subject: Funk and Wagnals
A dictionary for cyclopes?
"They're $25 apiece because I'm trying to purchase Australia. I figure if
I can get a few continents out of the deal, then I'm not really making a
profit."
> Well no offense, but BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"You understand that I EXPECT you to use protection, right?"
> Well no offense, but BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"The Mike Bahr crap ends here. Anyone who posts about it will be
castrated, male or female."
> Well no offense, but BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"Bafu Vai makes sense."
> Well no offense, but BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"You're kinda cute, boy. You'd go real well on my gun rack. Ever take a
ride in a pickup truck WHILE takin' a ride in a pickup truck?"
> Well no offense, but BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"Michael Angelo's really not that fast."
> Well no offense, but BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"Hey Chris, I'm smarter than you."
> Well no offense, but BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"Howabout this time we just pour some straight grain alcohol into the
beer-bong?"
> Well no offense, but BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"I really don't think Malignant Carbuncle would be too difficult to
transcribe."
> Well no offense, but BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
> There's only ONE type of post that can be more relevant to this list
> than a Fates Warning Concert Review. That's a Dream Theater Concert
> Review. I'm going to post ANOTHER concert review after my NEXT show on
> Sunday.
Yeah! And my guitar wants to kill your momma!! :)
> I'm not doing it to be a dick, I'm doing it because I've gotten letters
> from people who DO appreciate this content, and that's enough to keep me
> going.
Power Bar just ain't enough, huh?
> You can always scroll through it, but you signed up for a list that's
> based on Progressive music, and I'm posting content that's protected by
> the regulations of the list.
Diplomatic immunity, sucka!
> I truly hope that's an acceptable answer for you.
What, the BWAHAHAHA thing? It answers many questions, so it's acceptable
on a number of levels...
---- > From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> > Subject: ?:| > > I was just wondering....what should music be like in the billions of > highly developed alien societies out there?Personally I love it. Don't worry about it too much, we're going to show you in a couple of years. We're waiting for another Republican president so we can make the interplanetary war look like an accident.
---- > From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> > Subject: Nothing is not going to bleed into nothing > > Neil the Galloping Englishman intimated that no one on the list was > going to the Fates shows, and that he was tired of hearing show > stories.
As Ichabod stepped closer to the bridge, out of the hoary darkness came the Headless Neil, galloping furiously on his horse of black fire, cackling like a hellspawn's angry stepmother!
> While I respect his opinion regarding Fates, mostly due to the fact > that opinions are subjective, and by extension unprovable,
Logic worthy of a seat on the United States Supreme Court. :)
Bafu Vai
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