YTSEJAM Digest 2875
Today's Topics:
1) Empire Entertainment info
by zimbobmaniacalphysiopsychowarelephantitus@juno.com (Scott R Luttringer)
2) High frequency noise
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
3) Vai
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
4) Metal Survey
by Your Majesty <metlhead@li.net>
5) more whee meters
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
6) No meters, just WAV
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
7) So sad...
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
8) meters
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
9) Fates Tomorrow
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
10) Re: Fates Tomorrow
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
11) Re: So sad...
by Fern Fryer! <fernandm@U.Arizona.EDU>
12) Horsies & Sheep
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
13) Online record stores and free cds
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
14) Geoff Tate
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
15) Analog vs. Digital recording (NDTC)
by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
16) newie (kind of)
by "Don Compton" <soulmadness@hotmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:03:46 -0700
From: zimbobmaniacalphysiopsychowarelephantitus@juno.com (Scott R Luttringer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Empire Entertainment info
Message-ID: <19970816.110349.14462.0.zimbobmaniacalphysiopsychowarelephantitus@juno.com>
For anyone who missed it the first time, here is the info about Empire
Entertainment (the U.S. distributor for Angra CD's).
>From: EmpireEnt@aol.com
>Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:58:43 -0400
>Subject: ANGRA "Reaching Horizons" CD Release
>
>The U.S. release of ANGRA's critically acclaimed 1992 "Reaching
Horizons"
>cassette is now available on CD. In addition to the 6 original tracks
from
>the tape, 3 unreleased bonus tracks have been added (for 53 minutes of
music)
>as has a huge16 page booklet containing many photos, lyrics, band bio
and
>more. Track listing is as follows:
>
>1. Carry On
>2. Queen Of The Night
>3. Angels Cry
>4. Evil Warning
>5. Time
>6. Reaching Horizons
>
>Bonus Tracks:
>
>7. Carry On (original version w/alternate chorus, unreleased)
>8. Don't Despair (unreleased song)
>9. Wuthering Heights (speed version, unreleased)
>
>This U.S. only release is available for $11.98 plus $2.50 s/h
(additional
>copies $.50 s/h) exclusively from:
>
>Empire Entertainment
>P.O. Box 1756
>Sebastopol, CA 95473
>
>Shipping rates (Airmail) outside the U.S. are:
>Canada/Mexico - $3.50, each additional $.50
>World - $6.00, each additional $1.50
Later.
Scott
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:45:44 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: High frequency noise
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970816154542.0068f1c4@mail.ici.net>
>I think it was Joe Satriani who said he preferred analog recording because
>some of the high frequencies that the ear can't hear influence the
>frequencies that you can hear.
That reminds me of this wacked out audio system I read about like a year
ago. I don't remember the exact detail, but basically, it used these two
"thingies" (speakers? transducers? cookies?) that each sent out an ultra
high frequency signal. Where the signals intersect, the waveforms cancel
each other down into the audible range. So you can use these "thingies" to
pinpoint music to a specific location in space, rather than normal
speakers, which just *aim* the noise at a specific location.
I only mention this rather convoluted description because it goes to show
that just because the component frequencies may be out of the range of
human hearing, the resulting interaction of waveforms is not.
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:48:19 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Vai
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970816184819.00666138@mail.telepac.pt>
Does someone know where can I get ANY Steve Vai MIDI?
I've searched the entire net and I found nothing.
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:01:42 -0500
From: Your Majesty <metlhead@li.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metal Survey
Message-ID: <33F63156.3D9A@li.net>
For those of you interested, Somebody is taking a survey of your
favorite Albums, Groups, Songwriters, Guitarists, etc.....
Dream Theater is pretty low, so i thought maybe some of you
would want to move them higher up on the list. :)
http://www.ideal.net.au/~aitkenc/metalsurvey.html
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:20:14 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: more whee meters
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970816162007.00706dd4@cats.ucsc.edu>
>At 07:26 PM 8/15/97 -0700, Chris Oates wrote:
>>Anything where the top
>>number is divisible by three (except three itself) is a compound meter.
>>
>
>/me scratches head.
>I thought 3/4 and 6/8 were basically the same thing, so how can it be a
>compound meter one way and not a compound meter the other way? Somethin's
>fishy :)
No, they aren't the same thing. They have the same _length_ given
equivalent tempos (i.e. the same number of eighth notes per measure) BUT
(and a big but it is) 6/8, being a compound meter, is a duple meter. That
means it has two beats per measure, each beat being a dotted quarter note
and subdivided into three eighth notes, whereas 3/4 is a triple meter,
having three beats per measure, each beat being a quarter note and
subdivided into two eighth notes.
They can sound similar if you accent (in the 3/4 measure) the first and
fourth eighth notes, as mentioned earlier, but that's a mangling of
notation and not the way it's intended to be.
6/8 is closely related to other duple meters (such as 2/8, 2/4, anything
with 2 on the top) except that the beat is divided into three rather than
two, which is like having three eighth note triplets per quarter note
instead of just two eighth notes in 2/4. Given the same tempo (i.e. 80
[quarter note] BPM in 2/4 and 80 [dotted quarter note] BPM in 6/8) the two
sound EXACTLY the same.
A bit of history: As I was told in a music theory class, compound meters
evolved along a distinct branch from simple meters. 6/8 did not ever mean
6 beats per measure. What happened was that the Church (oh the high and
mighty church) because of the whole trinity thing, liked to divide their
beats into three parts, rather than the secular two parts. (remember, this
was before notation as we know it existed!) When notation was standardized
as it is today, rather than notate anything in these songs as divided into
triplets all the time (which would get very annoying, let me tell you) the
compound meters were born, to allow the church songs with their three
sub-beats per beat to be notated as easily as seular songs with their two
sub-beats per beat.
Yeech. what a long-winded thing. Skadz is gonna ban me soon, I bet. :)
__ /\ __
__\/__\/__ ~Chris
\_||_/ http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
/__||__\
// \ | \\ "Let nothing bleed into nothing, and did nothing at all"
\| Jim Matheos, Fates Warning, "A Pleasant Shade of Gray"
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:36:46 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: No meters, just WAV
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970816163637.00708364@cats.ucsc.edu>
Hm. Interesitng, Mike. I just looke dup in my programming books, and the
only one that goes into WAV files in some depth is also the one written by
a dead chicken. All I know is that they are more complicated than just
storing the raw sound data in a file. Dunno more than that. Hey, it _was_
made by microsoft, so there could be _anything_ hiding in those extra
bytes. :)
__ /\ __
__\/__\/__ ~Chris
\_||_/ http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
/__||__\
// \ | \\ "Let nothing bleed into nothing, and did nothing at all"
\| Jim Matheos, Fates Warning, "A Pleasant Shade of Gray"
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:36:09 -0400
From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: So sad...
Message-ID: <33F66398.6E0DEE1C@nh.ultranet.com>
I am sorrowed to know that Neil Pearts daughter was killed this past
weekend. It's aweful that someone as talented and dedicated Neil would
have to go through all of this, it really is. Well, sorrow is swift
and recovery is speady. God Bless Selena. God Bless Neil and God Bless
Rush. Lata, J
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 00:29:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: meters
Message-ID: <199708170429.AAA26583@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Saith Chris:
> Anything where the top number is divisible by three (except three
> itself) is a compound meter.
Actually, in some texts, 3/8 is called a compound meter <having one beat
per measure>, but I would hardly call 3/8 compound and 3/4 simple.
btw, I think Afterlife is all in 4/4, too.
btw, since everyone is so sick of hearing about it i just thought I'd
share my favorite part of the Fates Warning concert with y'all. I liked
at the end of Part VI, when Ray sings:
1 - - - b3 - 5 4 -
"So where do we be-gin
b7 - b3 - 2 - 1-b7 - 1-5 - 5 -
and what else can we say?
1 - - - b3 - 5 - 4-2 - 2 -
When the lines are all drawn..."
You know, normal natural minor/Aeolian mode kinda stuff. UNTIL...he gets
here:
b7-b3 - 2 - - 1-b7 - b3 -
"What should we do..."
OK, now any ordinary singer, any mere mortal would go back to 1 on the
word today like on the recording. Not Ray. Ray Alder gave the audience a
really strange look, and after an inordinately long pause Ray sang the
word "today"--on b2. b2!!!!! Ha! It's as if he said, "How 'bout a
little Phrygian mode to add some tension before part VII, people?!?!?!"
I just about died! I was like, RAY RULES!
<as if I weren't going to say that enough over the next hour or so>
see yous guys
Steve Z
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:47:15 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates Tomorrow
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970817044715.0074cc10@pop.enteract.com>
Anyone going to Fates tomorrow, try to find me. I';; be the 6' tall dude
with long brown hair and an autographed (on the back) grey Fates APSoG
shirt! I SHOULD be way up front. I'll try to make Maddy wear her Ytsejam
or scream.org QR shirt. Take care!
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 01:05:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fates Tomorrow
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970817010337.4376A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Chris Ptacek wrote:
> Anyone going to Fates tomorrow, try to find me. I';; be the 6' tall dude
> with long brown hair and an autographed (on the back) grey Fates APSoG
> shirt!
"What is this? You're gonna wear THIS to the show. You're gonna wear the
shirt of the band you're gonna go see. Don't be that guy."
- PCU, 1994
:)
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:07:18 -0700 (MST)
From: Fern Fryer! <fernandm@U.Arizona.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: So sad...
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.970816225710.31074A-100000@aruba.u.arizona.edu>
On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Jeremy P. Kube wrote:
>
> I am sorrowed to know that Neil Pearts daughter was killed this past
> weekend. It's aweful that someone as talented and dedicated Neil would
> have to go through all of this, it really is. Well, sorrow is swift
> and recovery is speady. God Bless Selena. God Bless Neil and God Bless
> Rush. Lata, J
>
>
Uhm...well, I also give my condolances to the Peart family, but I am
somewhat disturbed by your second line. A same event would be an awful
thing to experience for anyone, regardless of their talent and/or
dedication (I am assuming you are thinking of Neil's dedication to the
band and his music. If you meant otherwise, I apologize). Neil is a great
man, but also human like the rest of us.
Fernando Ma
Materials science & engineering
University of Arizona
http://bigdog.engr.arizona.edu/~ma
"I like to work without contracts whenever possible. Contracts
mean 'I don't trust you.'" - Victor Wooten
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 04:52:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Falling Into Livestock <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Horsies & Sheep
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96a.970817043109.19748B-100000@dante23.u.washington.edu>
I just heard a song by Beck that ends with a sample of Vai's horsey-noise
from the end of "Bad Horsie." Atrocious.
> From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
> Subject: The jam is histerical :)
>
> Yeah, they...er...WE want you to shut up. No one gives a fuck
> anymore. I'm still buying Bahr CDs. If you come up with some good
> shit, like people say you have, e-mail me and let's talk :)
Ask him if he has the electric version of Mike Bahr's self-crafted
acoustic-guitar opus on Subconscious, the one that was first credited to
John Petrucci, then credited to John Myung. Now THERE'S a real rarity,
folks...
> > Did the sheep like it too ?
>
> Yes I did.
That was YOU in that costume, Vince?? Makes sense, I mean I was wondering
why it kept going "ooh, whoah, dat feelsa so gooda..."
> Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
This little tag just transforms all the acid blasting forth from Vince's
mouth into a giant happy lovable waterfall of kool-aid, don't it? :)
---- > From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> > Subject: Brian and me > > Tornadoes in Gilbert?Yeah, that would explain his insane alternate picking. I KNEW that guy was possessed...
---- > From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> > Subject: Re: DT songs with strange time signature? > > Especially during that nifty part where it switches from 7/8 to 9/8 to > 13/16 to 7/8 to 12/8 to 9/8 to 5+7/8 in the space of 9 measures. heheh.
Whoah, I'm gonna have to listen to this part again and find a good calculator...
> Hello Mr. Caps Lock. Carpe Diem is a kind of scum sucking bottom
heheheheh Itchy better be cataloguing this wildlife!
I just read about "Nightmare Cinema," it sounded like a hilarious time! I wonder who was responsible for the collapse of "Perfect Strangers?" Maybe putting Myung on lead vocals wasn't such a good idea, huh? HE'S GOT NO VOICE, GENIUS!! Wait, Myung was doing keyboards...nevermind... Anyone who was there, how did it go over? Did each member play their instruments adequately or did someone/anyone sound really out of place? Or did they sound (ulp!) BETTER?
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:09:34 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Online record stores and free cds Message-ID: <01BCAB1E.C4AA6080@Khan.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Andrew Miller wrote :
>> Has anyone dealt with CDNOW? I'm considering ordering something from >> them, but would first like to know if they are reliable or not. > > they're very good. i've ordered from them at least a dozen times in > the last year. quick service, very reliable. > and better prices than sam goody (even with s/h)....
If you're going to order cds from CD Now *anyway*, *please* go there through http://cdnow.com/from=sr-223652 instead of http://cdnow.com/
:->
I'll get 5 % credit off of anything you spend. Free cd's for Itchy ! If you have a homepage, check out their Cosmic Credits Program. It's really cool :-))
Music Boulevard has a 5 % credit program *too* (RAM), but in the two months I've been in that program I've made about $0.50 through them. CD Universe also has a 5 % credit program, but I've only joined that one recently... Dunno if it's any good.
If anyone knows *other* online record stores that have programs like that, let me know :-) Also, check out the following :
> On behalf of Elektra Records, C Notes Interactive is offering one free > CD copy of PANTERA's "Official Live" and/or MOTLEY CRUE's "Generation > Swine" albums to all metal/rock webmasters who put up a prominent link > on their web sites to the PANTERA and/or CRUE web sites on elektra.com > > To qualify for this special promotion and retrieve the URLs, please > complete the form located at http://www.cnotes.com/webmaster1.html
I think this one's US-only, though.
I think Mike Bahr would agree with this
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 07:51:18 -0600 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Geoff Tate Message-ID: <199708171351.HAA15570@mailmx.micron.net>
well I caught the QR concert on audionet.com last night, and while the sound sucked (real audio) it was good enough to hear that Geoff Tate's voice is really hurting. I heard he was sick, so maybe that's it, but I doubt it. He had trouble hitting tons of notes that weren't even the slightest bit "high." most of the high notes he didn't even attempt. All these ppl that have been posting about how he was still right on and everything have been fooling themselves. Word of advice: If you sing, don't smoke.
woot, the unofficial spice girl slapping champion
btw, if this seems a bit harsh it's cause GT had an awesome voice and it pisses me off that he wasted it.
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 15:09:41 GMT From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers) To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: Analog vs. Digital recording (NDTC) Message-ID: <M.081797.170941.07@wxs1-13.worldaccess.nl>
Someone mentioned that Digital recording is not favoured by some artists, mentioning Joe Satriani (and I can add Yngwie Malmsteen, who said this in an interview). Could a techie on this list please explain this, possibly in layman terms? In the end, both analog and digital recordings end up on a digital medium, so what's the 'advantage' of recording analog? To me, it seems like an excuse to have a lower recording budget (not intended as flame bait). -- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Richard Karsmakers cronos@worldaccess.nl | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ C.R.I.M.E. Development; "Twilight World" Magazine; WWW-MMM "ST NEWS" ST/TT/Falcon disk magazine; "Ultimate Virus Killer" Gwar FUQ & Atari ST Emulation FAQ maintainer P.O. Box 67, 3500 AB, Utrecht, Netherlands /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Keyboard not found. Press any key to continue." | \--------------------------------------------------------------/
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 08:39:20 PDT From: "Don Compton" <soulmadness@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: newie (kind of) Message-ID: <19970817153920.8603.qmail@hotmail.com>
Could someone please send me a private e-mail to soulmadness@hotmail.com on how to subscribe to ytsejam. I used to be on the ytsejam before at mcauburn@iinc.com but due to circumstances, I had to change my e-mail address and now I really want to get back on the ytsejam. HELP! Thanks
Don Compton
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