YTSEJAM Digest 2873
Today's Topics:
1) Funk and Wagnals
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2872
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
3) Re: Funk and Wagnals
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
4) ?:|
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
5) Today's DTFQ
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
6) Nothing is not going to bleed into nothing
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
7) Re: ?:|
by eckie@asu.edu
8) tape swap
by "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
9) tech (audio & music)
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
10) Re: Am I alone?
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
11) Re: ?:|
by Fern Fryer! <fernandm@U.Arizona.EDU>
12) CD Now
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
13) Fw: NWOBHM
by ryanrl@cyberalink.com.au (Robert Ryan)
14) Re: Unclassified: Angra Live and Andre Matos Voice
by Stephan Dobay <reginars@mandic.com.br>
15) Re: More TIME SIGS....
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:13:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Funk and Wagnals
Message-ID: <199708152013.PAA26168@enteract.com>
> From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2870
Sorry I got so pissed off, and doubly so that I posted it twice.
> From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
> Subject: Am I alone?
>
> Hi all
>
> am I the only person who will be very glad when the current Fates Warning tour
> is over?
I'll probably cry! :)
> How many posts have there been telling us how great this tour is meant
> to have been? How come so few people are going to the shows? I'd rather read
> reviews of the Rush shows... (And before anybody asks, yes, I have seen Fates
> Warning live, and they bored me).
Well no offense, but BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! There's only ONE type
of post that can be more relevant to this list than a Fates Warning
Concert Review. That's a Dream Theater Concert Review. I'm going to post
ANOTHER concert review after my NEXT show on Sunday. I'm not doing it to
be a dick, I'm doing it because I've gotten letters from people who DO
appreciate this content, and that's enough to keep me going. You can
always scroll through it, but you signed up for a list that's based on
Progressive music, and I'm posting content that's protected by the
regulations of the list.
I truly hope that's an acceptable answer for you.
> From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
> Subject: Re: Am I alone?
>
> It's a shame they bored you, maybe you weren't watching really hard... heheh
Right on Mosh! I will never see eye to eye with someone who
thinks Fates is boring, but thinks Test For Echo is even the least bit
innovative.
> From: Raivo Hool <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
> Subject: Mike Keneally
>
> Ernie wrote:
>
> > on 'Attitude Song' right? Fuuuuuuck. And I've heard he plays the piano
> > part from 'Angel Food' too? What would Steve do w/o that guy.... i have
>
> You mean, live? The piano stuff on the album was sequenced. All in all it
> sounds crazy. :-)
I don't know the name of the tune, so I'm assuming you're talking
about the acoustic/piano part in the Fire Garden Suite. If so, I agree
that yes, it was sequenced on the cd... but as an incredibly picky
listener, I saw and heard Mike Keneally play it live in concert with Steve
Vai on the second swing of the G3 tour. It was not sequenced (Keneally
made one or two mistakes) but he played it almost EXACTLY like the album.
All you have to do to get that even-ness of the note volume is raise the
"velocity" setting on your keyboard. It was scary as hell! :)
Let me know if this post came out unaligned
--Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to --------------------------------- the vast wealth of "To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped one's brain with an orally | web sites) deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| **************** ---------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:29:55 -0500 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2872 Message-ID: <33F4CA52.40FC@auburn.net>
Al B. wrote: >I mean, I have no idea about CDs and their production, sampling >rates, etc. besides the fact that a pretty light shines on a >shiny disc while its spinning fast to make sound, but it's >definitely interesting, even if it's over my head (I'm a bio. >major).
Don't feel bad, Al. I'm a music major. I read every one of the posts on this subject. I then wore an autistic expression on my face, and five minutes later am forced to wipe the slobber off my keyboard. At least they're not talking about "heavy water" ala the NMS a few months back...
Mark -- *********************************************************************** * Mark Peters -- swifty@auburn.net -- Auburn University, Class of '99 * * Ytsejammer, tape trader at http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/index.html * * Progressive tape swap - http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/tapeswap.html * * * * "If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." * * - George Carlin * ***********************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:55:20 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Funk and Wagnals Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970815145516.00826860@postoffice.syspac.com>
>> From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> >> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2870 > > Sorry I got so pissed off, and doubly so that I posted it twice.
No problem! Sorry if I pissed anyone off! :)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:52:58 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ?:| Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970815205258.00669238@mail.telepac.pt>
I was just wondering....what should music be like in the billions of highly developed alien societies out there?
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:53:02 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Today's DTFQ Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970815205302.0066b58c@mail.telepac.pt>
Today's DTFQ (Dream Theater's Finest Quotation):
'We all find Spice Girls' last album a highly inspiring piece of work."
James LaBrie, interview for 'PROG IS DEAD' Magazine
PS: I'd like to thank Spice Nietzche, the editor of 'PROG IS DEAD' (a new magazine from southeast ethiopia), for e-mailing me personally this exclusive interview.
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:15:53 -0400 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Nothing is not going to bleed into nothing Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970815221553.0069d0a0@pop.pipeline.com>
Neil the Galloping Englishman intimated that no one on the list was going to the Fates shows, and that he was tired of hearing show stories.
While I respect his opinion regarding Fates, mostly due to the fact that opinions are subjective, and by extension unprovable, I have to question the accuracy of his insinuation: At the West Springfield, VA. show alone there were at least ten to twelve jammers. From the volume of posts concerning the other shows, I would estimate that at least 100 jammers have seen Fates on this tour. Therefore, I would argue that the post-show reviews, etc., are worthy of inclusion in this forum. As for a possible repetition of content; well, I personally would rather read 100 Fates reviews than one bootleg/Mike Bahr/imposter /Itchy-Bitchy-dissertation-on-the-state-of-the-Jam post. But that's just me. It goes to show that one cannot always get what one wants.
Green Bay Packers - 1996-97 Super Bowl Champions 3-0 Preseason.
Kevin
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:38:29 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: ?:| Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970815150916.12526A-100000@general2.asu.edu>
> I was just wondering....what should music be like in > the billions of highly developed alien societies out there? >
Oh boy, somebody hasn't told this guy yet? I suggest you sit down for a second, this is gonna be like finding out you're actually gay. >;D
Back in the day, our ancestors were jumping planets, here 'n there across the galaxy. After Mars dried up 'n everybody got sick of the dust storms, they packed thier shit and hauled ass to the little blue planet closer to the sun. Well, all was good, society thrived, technology and the arts worked hand in hand instead of against eachother, and a breed of highly intelligent, appreciative beings habitated this rock. Such wonders as "Jazz," "Slush Puppies" and a race known as the "Petrucci's" thrived without regulation.
One day, some chemistry student turned on the lights in his lab, started up the water for the tubs, and started working on his special formula for a jelly that wouldn't spoil. Through some strange chemical reactions and miscalculations on his part, he had created a green ooze out of straberry preserves. What he didn't realize was, he had created a regenerating ooze! Unfortunately, by the time he had returned to the next day this ooze had grown into immense proportions and had swallowed citizens whole, leaving the victims with minimal brain power to function, a lackluster appreciation for knowledge, learning, or the arts, and a tendency to wear clothes backwards, slur thier words, and drop the suspension on full sized pickup trucks to the ground.
This "inferior" society thrived like nothing our ancestors had ever seen before! They hung the poor science student by his toes and whacked him plenty of times against a giant, spiked gong before throwing him into a position at a record company to sign rap artists labels. Soon, there was nothing else to listen to BUT rap! All the "superior" musicians, the violin players, the oboe players, the triangle players, couldn't make a dime, so they had to create some sort of a scheme to make money to support thier now-rare love for the arts. The pizza shop was hence created. All that was good, complex, and thought provoking was thrown into the underground of this new hybrid society. Fortunately though, through some unique generation-skipping trait of the "pure" genes we inherited from our ancestors, there are still beings on this planet who could fit easily in the ancient society. These people can be identified because of their extensive knowledge in business, music, art, and CD manufacturing, as well as thier ability to flip a mean pizza.
So you see, we are (in the popular, extraterrestrial sense) aliens. Every one of us. We enjoy Dream Theater. The hybrids do not. Unless, of course, some hybrid is on this list is a fan 'cuz he/she likes LaBrie's butt.
"Maybe this is thier way of saying, 'Hail Prog!' You're our kind of people!"
~Raise the Eckie /\ | | | if that isn't a setup for some lewd jokes, I don't know what is!
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:55:39 +0000 From: "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: tape swap Message-ID: <199708152253.RAA29085@Walden.MO.NET>
Hey, could someone get me the info for the prog tape swap.
Dale R> Newberry
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:58:42 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: tech (audio & music) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970815155833.0070f810@cats.ucsc.edu>
Matt Evans: You should write textbooks for beginners. :) All was right except for: 8 bit gives a full 256 values. You don't need to subtract one. Interpreted as an unsigned integer, they go from 0 - 255 (maybe that's where you got the 255 from) As a signed integer, they go from -128 to +127 (assuming standard encoding) -- sorry, my computer science major is showing again. *zip* there we go. Also, you were correct by noticing that each channel in the stereo signal is sampled separately, hence the 600+ megabytes of data for 74 minutes of audio.
And for Pedro Felipe:
> 1-In a piece, how can I distinguish between: > -6/8 (Compound Meter) > -6/8 (Simple Meter : 4/8 + 2/8)
In standard Music theory, 6/8 is _only_ used for compound meter. The "simple meter" way should be alternating 4/8 and 2/8. If you want to "cheat", and your notation system can handle it, then just play with the baring of the eighth notes. I.e. instead of barring 3 and 3, bar 4 then 2. Does that make sense?
> 2-Can't alternating 5/8 and 2/8 meters be replaced by a > single 7/8 meter or it modifies the feeling of the song? > (the same with 5/8 + 4/8 <=> 9/8)
5 and 2 making seven shouldn't alter the feeling, since there isn't a "standard" way of interpreting seven. Just bar your groups of eighth notes together to give the appropriate feeling. Just remember that barring is pretty much done only in units of 2, 3, or 4, so don't bar 5 notes together, make them a group of 2 and 3. Of couse, tuplets are the exception, where you can have 5 or more in a bar.
As for 5 and 4 making 9, since 9 is a compound meter (as is any multiple of 3 except for three itself) you need to separate the measure, make it "5+4"/8 (like the "7+5"/8 instead of 12/8 in Metropolis) and (once again) bar those eighth notes together to give the right feel!
Y'know? In all our meter arguments, no one seems to have ever mentioned the process of barring eighth notes together to give the right feel, and how important that is to the interpretation of music. I guess since it's not mathematical, it gets overlooked. But, really folks, it's possibly more important than the magic of "TIME SIG" in giving the feel of a song. Unfortunately, very few sequencers make it easy to bar your notes in any way other than a default, if they allow it at all. Sigh.
__ /\ __ __\/__\/__ ~Chris \_||_/ http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ /__||__\ // \ | \\ "Let nothing bleed into nothing, and did nothing at all" \| Jim Matheos, Fates Warning, "A Pleasant Shade of Gray"
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:10:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Am I alone? Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970815190539.2981B-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, John Murphey wrote:
> My gut is telling me that DT is gonna have as difficult a time filling > clubs up as FW has had, unless they promote more, book better venues, > get more publicity out. Certainly, a great number of people will come > out just to watch JP shred, but the FW tour should serve as a warning to > DT as well concerning the road this year.
I don't know about that. I mean, I can understand with FW not having enough people come to their shows, but of the 3 times I've seen DT, there has never been a problem with "not enough people in attendance." I remember someone told me at Birch Hill '95 that the club had a 700 capacity (I know 700 is probably wrong...anybody want to state the correct number?) and later found out that the club admitted 1100 people or something to that effect. There's a lot more DT fans than there are FW fans and one reason is DT is known by more people than Fates is. I think Chris Ptacek mentioned in his fates review that only 93 people showed up. I don't see this will be a problem with Dream Theater.
Brandon
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:12:51 -0700 (MST) From: Fern Fryer! <fernandm@U.Arizona.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: ?:| Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.970815161128.23204A-100000@f1n7.U.Arizona.EDU>
I think that chem (MSE) student was me...
Phfht! Raise the Eckie...Raise the Myung! (talked to one of his professors from Berklee today...had some stories about him!)
Fernando Ma Materials science & engineering University of Arizona http://bigdog.engr.arizona.edu/~ma
"I like to work without contracts whenever possible. Contracts mean 'I don't trust you.'" - Victor Wooten
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: CD Now Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970815193650.4215A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Hey folks-
Has anyone dealt with CDNOW? I'm considering ordering something from them, but would first like to know if they are reliable or not. Thanks.
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:52:17 +1000 From: ryanrl@cyberalink.com.au (Robert Ryan) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fw: NWOBHM Message-ID: <19970815234821593.AAB1323@pppd-5.cyberalink.com.au>
Mail server failed when I first sent this.... Here it is again just in case anyone is interested.
Bob
---------- > From: Bob or Linda <ryanrl@zen.cyberalink.com.au> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: NWOBHM > Date: Wednesday, 13 August 1997 10:57 > > > I am way behind in 'jams, so hopefully no-one else has covered this. If so > skip the following waffle > > The above title does exist. Here are the details from my copy. > > Title: New Wave of British Heavy Metal ' 79 Revisited > Distrib: Vertigo > Cat. No.: CD 846 322-2 > LP 846 322-1 > MC 846 322-4 > Released: 1990 > > CD 1 > Diamond Head It's Electric 3:34 > Sweet Savage Eye of the Storm 3:13 > Saxon Motorcycle Man 3:58 > White Spirit Cheetah 4:42 > Raven Don't Need the Money 3:15 > Paralex White Lightning 3:52 > Def Leppard Getcha Rocks Off 2:56 > Weapon Set the Stage Alight 2:51 > Samson Vice Versa 4:44 > Hollow Ground Fight With the Devil 3:18 > Girlschool Demolition Boys 3:36 > Witchfynde Leaving Nadir 6:60 > > CD 2 > Iron Maiden Sanctuary 3:39 > Jaguar Back Street Woman 4:34 > Tygers of Pan Tang Killers 6:33 > Gaskin I'm No Fool 3:36 > Sledgehammer Sledgehammer 3:10 > Venom Angeldust 2:36 > Angel Witch Extermination Day 3:57 > Tresspass One of These Days 3:44 > Holocast Death or Glory 3:30 > Vardis If I Were King 2:59 > Blitzkrieg Blitzkrieg 3:48 > Diamond Head Helpless 7:02 > > Bonus Tracks on CD set only > Dragster Ambitions 4:05 > A-II-Z Treason 2:55 > Witchfinder General Witchfinder General 3:51 > Black Axe Red Lights 2:59 > Fist S.S. Giro 3:09 > Praying Mantis Captured City 5:32 > > EMAIL me if you want any further details/scans etc. > > Your welcome. > > Bob
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:48:08 -0300 From: Stephan Dobay <reginars@mandic.com.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Unclassified: Angra Live and Andre Matos Voice Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970815204808.006d41d4@pop-gw.mandic.com.br>
I have to agree, Andre's voice is every bit as good live. I just heard an all acoustic show they played in Argentina, and he nails all the notes. As Graham said, very impressive on Wuthering Heights. They also did the Maiden cover Wasted Years, a little strange acoustic, but still very cool. I love the way they rearranged songs for the acoustic shows, instead of just playing the exact same notes as they do on the electric versions. A band definately worth checking out.
Peace
Stephan
At 17:19 08/14/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Someone asked about the closest person to a genius, Andre Matos, about his >voice live. >I was a little disappointed with the sound quality on 'Holy Live', but the >vocals still sounded great. I doubt it very much if Andre does any studio >overdubs, I have a video of him at a club show from the 'Angels Cry' tour >and despite the bad quality his voice is spot on and hit those high notes >with ease (specially during 'Wuthering Heights') and does killer versions >of Maiden's 'Flight Of Icarus' and 'Wasted Years'. I have a CD boot called >' The Gates Of Holy Land' and Andre sounds great on that too, but the boot >is really not worth buying, cept for the great cover of Manowar's >'Manowar'. > >gRaham. > > > >
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:33:03 -0600 From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: More TIME SIGS.... Message-ID: <199708160138.SAA25435@odin.ax.com>
> 1-In a piece, how can I distinguish between: > -6/8 (Compound Meter) > -6/8 (Simple Meter : 4/8 + 2/8)
As as a general rule, any measure with six eighth note beats is in 6/8 and any measure with six quarter note beats is 6/4.
> 2-Can't alternating 5/8 and 2/8 meters be replaced by a > single 7/8 meter or it modifies the feeling of the song? > (the same with 5/8 + 4/8 <=> 9/8)
This being somewhat an exception as in the Metropolis case where they call the sig out as 7+5/8. It's generally for "feel" purposes that things might be notated that way, but technically, I think still an alternating 7/8 and 5/8. But for laziness purposes and conservation of ink and paper, most people will peobably just notate it 7+5/8. :)
> am I the only person who will be very glad when the current Fates Warning tour > is over? How many posts have there been telling us how great this tour is meant > to have been?
Well, there are times when you post reviews of bands that my sheep don't bleat about. No offense, but most of the posts subject, "Fates show last night" or something to that effect in them, so it's not hard to skip. I really liked Ptacek's (Bless me!) :) review of the concert, myself.
>I was just wondering....what should music be like in >the billions of highly developed alien societies out there?
It's kind of lame. You just download a super compressed audio file through a direct electrocereballic data connection directly into your brain stem. You don't actually listen to the music, you just get the feeling that you have. It's about a "mainstream" as you get.
>Unless, of course, some hybrid is on this list is a fan 'cuz he/she likes LaBrie's >butt.
Are you trying to insinuate something here? >[ Hybrid, my, er, James' ass!
Five Kewl CD's: 1. Gary Hoey: Animal Instinct 2. Enchant: Time Lost 3. Marillion: Script for a Jester's Tear 4. Eric Johnson: Tones 5. Trans Siberian Orchestra: Christmas Eve and Other Stories...
~KorgX3 beats Eckie over the head with a stout cudgel.
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