YTSEJAM Digest 2820
Today's Topics:
1) me not you
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
2) aging, where are you now?
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
3) Just skip this post :)
by caber1@concentric.net
4) YNM, didn't make the cut songs
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
5) Re: aging, where are you now?
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) Wake of Magellan for FII
by edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2819
by edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III)
8) YNM & I&W (listen again, for the 1st time...)
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
9) Re: Barabasch's bash
by eckie@asu.edu
10) Re: Production?
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
11) New DT album stuff
by Eric Paulhus <jpaul@riconnect.com>
12) John Petrucci's 2nd Florida Appearance!
by Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net>
13) YNM- lyrics
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
14) Time Travel?, 'da Survey
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
15) Beavis and Butthead - Cancelled
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
16) Fates Warning Texas shows
by "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
17) RE:MP3 Problems, Labries Voice, Whining YTSEJAMMERS, and THE WHO
by Michael Pomerleau <michael_pomerleau@snet.net>
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:22:00 -0500
From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: me not you
Message-ID: <19970805002159628.AAA172@bforst.busprod.com>
This is my opinion not yours..
I love it!
First question... where did this come from and can we get a less compressed
version? I know.. I'm nitpicking.. :)
Second question.. isnt there about twenty seconds missing from the cd
version? I wonder where..? I hope the shredding guitar solo...
Lastly.. is it my imagination or is there someone talking during the last
ten seconds?
there you go..
bruce
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:19:57 -0600
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: aging, where are you now?
Message-ID: <199708050022.SAA05504@mailmx.micron.net>
Well, YNM isn't aging very well, as I'm already tiring of it. I think it's
quite a bit too "accessible." Also, and I realize this was unavoidable,
the comparison between YNM and WAYN comes up. Since IMHO WAYN is much
better than YNM, it seems a shame that WAYN didn't make the cut. I'm sure
the rest of it rules though! woohoo 49 days!!!
woot
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 19:46:37 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Just skip this post :)
Message-ID: <33E7E58D.5916@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
> Subject: Strapping young Lads?
> Hey, is this SLY "Strapping Young Lads"?? Well, I saw the video
> for "Detox" (is it the name of the album or of the song?? I can't
> remember) and it seems really nice for headbanging... Man, I didn't hear
> anything like this since Metallica's "Blackened"...
You're close it's Strapping Young Lad. Headbanging is just the start of
what I do when listening them. If you liked Detox you'll probably like
the rest of the album, too. Oh the album is City. But my favorite song
is All Hail the New Flesh. There's a part where it kinda gets mellow,
but, is still intense(the "I'm so sorry" part).
> It's a bit noisy and a bit industrial, but it's interesting.
Well, I say it's good. :)
> []s, Roger...
And []s right back at ya, and, everyone else! :)
So, whoever was the other voter for SYL...You suck, ya wuss! Anybody
hear Ocean Machine, yet? I know it's only been released in Japan. But
can one of you jammers give a review?
John McCabe
caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:36:53 -0600
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YNM, didn't make the cut songs
Message-ID: <199708050039.SAA06426@mailmx.micron.net>
YNM is supposed to be 4:58, but the MPG3 is 4:32 is it faster or is it an
edit? hopefully JP's solo is longer in the album version.
for anyone who cares, the songs that didn't make the cut:
Speak to Me
Cover my Eyes
The Way it used to be
Raise the Knife
Where Are You Now?
Met part II (hehe)
woot
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:00:38 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: aging, where are you now?
Message-ID: <199708050100.SAA04298@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "woot" said:
>
>Well, YNM isn't aging very well, as I'm already tiring of it. I think it's
>quite a bit too "accessible." Also, and I realize this was unavoidable,
>the comparison between YNM and WAYN comes up. Since IMHO WAYN is much
>better than YNM, it seems a shame that WAYN didn't make the cut. I'm sure
>the rest of it rules though! woohoo 49 days!!!
>
Actually, I feel the exact opposite... I thought WAYN was stupid and didn't
age well at all...
WAYN is not much better than YNM, it's a little worse, but not MUCH better...
WAYN didn't have any cool drumming during the chorus like YNM does...
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:17:53 -0400 From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Wake of Magellan for FII Message-ID: <19970804.212219.9934.3.EdWilk@juno.com>
Hey all,
I don't know when FII comes out in Europe or Japan, but if it comes out later than it does in the US, I'd like to propose a trade for some European or Japanese jammer. I'll send you Falling Into Infinity the day it comes out in the US (I'll pay for S&H), if whomever will send me Wake of Magellan the day it comes out wherever (S&H paid for).
Ed-San (Who doesn't want to wait for WOM)
"Hey friend, I can feel your pain; Even heroes cry in the rain." - Steve Vai
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:15:39 -0400 From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2819 Message-ID: <19970804.212219.9934.2.EdWilk@juno.com>
>this is my first letter 2 the "ytsejam" and i would like 2 ask about a thing or two;
Did anyone else find it incredibly funny that he used "2" for the word, but "two" for the number?
> * i saw in one of the digests that someone mentioned some dt cd's that i actually >never heard nothing about and i'd really like 2 get an updated list of all dt's cd's If someone doesn't send it to you, search the web for the "Unofficial Dream Theater Bootleg list".
> * does anyone knows about FII's releasing date outside of the US, say, maybe, in >Israel???
No, but if someone could tell me when it comes out in, say, maybe, Somalia, I'd appreciate it.
This has been a sarcastic posting by- Ed-San (tm)
"Hey friend, I can feel your pain; Even heroes cry in the rain." - Steve Vai
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:41:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YNM & I&W (listen again, for the 1st time...) Message-ID: <199708050141.VAA08948@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
2 points...
First off, You Not Me, and more importantly, downloading it... It took me a while to download this file correctly and playing correctly. After downloading it 2x in WinNT (lucky for cable modem making download a 30 second ordeal:) I was not able to get it to play using WinPlay3, WinAmp, or Xaudio (WinPlay did nothing, WinAmp played the first 2 seconds then died, and Xaudio played it in about 20x speed), I went into Linux, and tried 2 more players (amp and xaudio for linux), and neither played correctly. Finally downloaded it a 3rd time, this time with Netscape under Linux, and it finally downloaded correctly. Somehow, I think that the file was downloading as an ascii file, rather than a binary and was losing some stuff. Not sure how to quite fix it, but there is that problem (possibly the site owner needs to create a .htaccess file (assuming the web site is running apache) with the correct mime type). The file finally runs under all of 5 players. Anyway, don't give up if it doesn't work. (BTW, all of those players can be found at www.mpeg.org, as Dr. Mosh mentioned)
About the song... its cool... I like it, even though James sounds sorta differnet on it... The new CD is definatly going to be incredible... All of the tracks from the F4-96 shows were great, now we have yet again another great track with YNM. I'm already getting excited about this CD... I think it will be as good as I&W, possibly better??? From what I have heard so far, proballby will be better than Awake (not that Awake wasn't incredible, not that Scarred, LSOAD, Voices, etc were not incredible)...
Speaking of I&W, I finally got around to listening to I&W (the real one, not boots), and it was kinda surprising... missed alot of the subtleties on boots, even on ones like LitS, DoE, etc...
Anxiously counting down the days until Falling Into Infinity.
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:04:51 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Barabasch's bash Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970804190436.6769A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
Ditto.
~9 out of 10 Eckies agree
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:47:32 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Production? Message-ID: <19970805010613.AAA22466@sni.pananet.com>
> chorus is catchy, not sure about LaBrie's "alternative" sounding vocals > at the beginning, though. I have one major question, however - >
alternative-sounding vocals?
/me scratches his head > Where the hell is Derek? Petrucci is almost non - existent ('cept for > the wah parts - gotta keep that "alternative radio" sound going), but > are there keyboards on this? I can't here anything but bass (how odd!), > snare, vox, and a bit of kick drum.
/me digs a hole thru his head from so much scratching.
JP is only 'non-existant' during most of the verses where he's mostly just doing fills...nothing wrong with that.
I can hear the keyboards quite well. It goes a little back in the mix during the chorus, but I can clearly hear what he's doing.
> Quite simply - and I know this is only a 22khz recording, but still - > the production SUCKS. Sounds just like every "hot" song right now. I've > heard his other stuff, and I didn't like the tones much on that, and I > don't like the tones much on this, either. I smell a record company > around here somewhere...
well., i guess it's a matter of nipples, i mean, opinions, but I found the production to be great. It sounds normal, and straight to th point without sounding sloppy...and most imortantly, it's CLEAR. I can understand what everybody's doing all the time. That, to me, means good production. > And who mixed this thing? Cripes... The band has a guitarist and > keyboardist, it'd be nice to HEAR them. >
I hope you're exaggerating here, because I can hear the guitars and the keyboards VERY well.
just expressing his nipple, Ernie
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 22:24:50 EDT From: Eric Paulhus <jpaul@riconnect.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New DT album stuff Message-ID: <199708050324.2323200@RIconneCT.com>
I'm a newbie poster (donning flame suit), but the discussion over the new DT songs has prompted me to post.
Remember people, we haven't heard the whole album yet. All we have is one song (does anyone know the source of that MP3 file anyway?? Is that truly the legit album version???) and a message about the content of the rest. The only people who TRULY know what the band sounds like now is the band themselves. Until then, we're all going to have to wait and see...
Besides, it's AWFUL hard to keep everyone happy... most people don't like a new album at first for the reason that "It doesn't sound like the old one", or the old "they sold out" routine. Bands (good ones anyway) like to PROGRESS :) into different styles and most new albums do sound different. If you want to hear the same kind of stuff over and over again, go listen to Green Day. :p
This is not a flame towards anyone, just a statement to be patient, and wait until we have the whole enchilada to listen to.
--Eric (Buck)--
NP: Savatage, "Handful of Rain"
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:30:12 -0400 From: Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net> To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: John Petrucci's 2nd Florida Appearance! Message-ID: <199708050230.WAA89352@chickasaw.gate.net>
Not only will JP be doing a clinic in Tampa on the 18th, he'll be in Ft. Lauderdale on the 19th!
Tuesday, August 19th, 5pm Music Arts Enterprises 3301 Davie Blvd Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33312 (954)581-2203
Admission is free if you buy lots of stuff at the store on the previous Saturday, otherwise, it's $5.
If you're going to be there, look for the guy with a JPM100p1, either a HftH shirt, or Ytsejam shirt, and a big fat Majesty logo tattoo!
Remember, only 58 days till hockey season!
And only 50 days till the new album!
-- Elliott Kim -- ekim@gate.net -- e-man@dreamt.org --
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:05:31 -0500 From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YNM- lyrics Message-ID: <19970805030530195.AAA80@bforst.busprod.com>
For those interested.. here's what I could discern. The line in parenthesis I'm not sure of.. so if I'm wrong.. correct me!
YOU NOT ME - JP
its me not you that's driving me crazy watching you run is making me lazy (trying to find peace in my head) selling me lines you've already read speaking my name to try to confuse me say it again you're starting to lose me
that's alright I'm ok it happens every single day its all the same but I'm not blind
its all about you ...not me its all about the things that you're expecting me to be there's not enough time to live and all that you're expecting me to give its all about you... not... me! its all about you... not... me!
building my prison brick by brick eating your words is making me sick you get what you want but nothing is safe but you're reading my mind and leaving me naked you say I gotta give before i receive it one of these days I'll believe it
chorus pre-chorus chorus
---------- Bruce Forst www.busprod.com/bforst/ bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:02:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com> To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Time Travel?, 'da Survey Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970804215259.2472A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997 eckie@asu.edu wrote: > *big grin* It's a good September. >:) > > ~Eckie puts PT in the spinner
"It _is_ a good September"???
I guess Eckie lives on the other side of the International Month Line. It's August here in Minnesota. :)
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On the survey, I hit 4 top-tens, 2 honorable mentions, and 4 sore losers (a 3-vote, a 2-vote, and two of the singles.) Anybody else suck that bad? I just can't believe that Meat Loaf beat Renaissance 3-to-2. And Marillion missed the top ten, for as often as they're mentioned around here...
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I'd download the new song, but my account is well over quota, so you don't get my opinion on it for a couple'a days yet... Too busy downloading arcade emulator stuff, and reliving my grade school days. (Mr. Do's Castle, Galaga, and Tempest! Quake can go to hell! :)
--Jay "Real video games only need ONE button" Omega --NP: Angra - Holy Land (thanks, KevMan!)
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 97 23:19:50 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng" To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Beavis and Butthead - Cancelled Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+YmdtnA@tcx.tcco.com>
I guess we'll never find out what Beavis and Butthead think of Dream Theater. After just 4 seasons, MTV has decided to cancel the show. The last show will be on Oct 10. Maybe DT can submit an advance video to the show and get it before the deadline...
PS - Did anyone catch the Guitar World article where Kip Winger blamed the show for their downfall? White Zombie actually credits show for making them "cool".
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 20:29:54 PDT From: "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates Warning Texas shows Message-ID: <199708050329.UAA11056@f12.hotmail.com>
Hey jammers,
No DTC here, but I wanted to tell you about my interesting weekend. I attended two Fates shows in Texas. The first was in Houston on Friday night. It was basically a disaster, and all because of the club. During the Fates show, there were times when the main PA speakers would crackle, the mix was bad, and the keyboards seemed to be cutting out also. The guys stopped the show at the end of APSoG Part III and said the PA sucked and they'd take a break to see if the club staff could fix it. They came back out after a while and just did the first three songs of their encore (Life in Still Water, Face the Fear, Monument), and, because things seemed to be going well (note: not much heavy keyboards in those songs), they tried to continue APSoG with Part IV. They got to the piano solo in Part V (at about 2:15 on the CD) and the guy's keyboard cut out again. (Either through tech problems, or because the stage was dark and no spotlight was put on him, so he couldn't see anyway). At this point, all the guys on stage just started laughing and throwing up their hands, and they left for good. Ray said during the show that they'd come back to Houston, at another club that didn't suck, to make up for this show. Note: this crappy place in Houston was The Abyss, and I hope DT never considers playing there. But anyway, seeing as how I really wanted to see all of APSoG, I decided I'd rather make a road trip to their next show to see it now instead of later. :)
By the way, I did meet a couple of ytsejammers at the Houston show. I went up to one guy wearing an IAW shirt (it turned out to be a guy who was in the LiT video in the Houston store signing segment!), and 2 people came up to me since I wore my ytsejam shirt. One was named John I think (sorry if I got your name wrong!), and he said he had seen Fates in San Antonio the night before. The other guy I met outside while getting stuff signed. He said he had driven in from New Orleans, and a friend of his had come from Orlando! Fortunately for them, they planned on catching the show in Lafayette, LA 2 days later, on their way back home.
For my part, the next day my wife Nicole and I made the trip to Fort Worth, and I caught the show at the Caravan of Dreams club. (Nicole doesn't care for APSoG :) It was a night and day difference between the two shows. The entire show in Ft. Worth was wonderful. I've seen another jammer's review of the show, so I won't rehash the details. I also met Brian Cox and "The Reverend" :) at the show, which was cool since I hadn't seen either of them in quite a while. Sorry I didn't meet any other jammers in Ft. Worth, but I was too exhausted to stay after and anyway I couldn't wear my ytsejam shirt 2 days in a row. :)
Oh, a few more details. While Ray was signing autographs after the Houston show, somebody asked what happened to Frank Aresti. Ray said that he had a family now and was living in Florida, and wasn't much interested in touring anymore. Also, somebody had an early Fates LP (Night on Brocken I think), and asked why they changed the cover. Ray said, "because it sucked!"
Well, there you have it, my Fates weekend. Oh, and after seeing the shows, I'd put APSoG in my all-time top ten albums list. In other words, go see this show if you have the chance. :)
************************************************************* Ken McWatters kmcwatters@hotmail.com http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters Quote of the month: "Stayed up late last night / Lying here in bed Looking for words / To say the things I left unsaid" -Fates Warning, "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" *************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 23:46:27 -0400 From: Michael Pomerleau <michael_pomerleau@snet.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE:MP3 Problems, Labries Voice, Whining YTSEJAMMERS, and THE WHO Message-ID: <33E6A213.7E9C50EF@snet.net>
> -------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:42:02 -0400 (EDT) > From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Trouble with younotme.mp3 > Message-ID: <199708042042.QAA22029@acmez.gatech.edu> > > > I don't know if anyone else had trouble getting this thing to play, > because of course, it could just be me, but I tried a couple different > players and one plays the first three seconds and then craps out, whereas > the other says the file is undecodable because it is not in ISO/MPEG > format and it has the wrong Hufman Tables.......I have no idea what's up. > If anyone can lend a useful bit of info, I'd appreciate it. I'd love to > hear this song........ > > Eric
I had the exact same problem. I downloadted the File 3 times, and always the same problem. Then I downloaded the file from
http://www.gmsnet.com/~drkhoe/
And It worked like a Charm!!! GOOD LUCK . . . its worth it - it has been a long wait.
As for the song. I like it - hopefully this is the MOST COMMERCIAL song on the album, and the rest is more progressive. But the song is excellent, and I really LOVE Labrie's voice. Best it has ever been or sounded!!!! That just my opinion.
As for those of you already bitching, why dont you all wait for the album to come out. Remember the first track off of Images was PMU, and that was the radio edit. If that was the first thing you heard, who would have guessed it would have treats such as met, and LTL. Anyways, If you are expecting too much, you will percieve a GREAT album to be a mediocre one.
Also, in case you have not noticed, on my MP3 file, if you remove the 5-8 seconds of talking at the beginning, the song is 4:24, however, on the list from MP (Yes those are my initials, but I am referring to the other MP), the song is 4:58. So whoever said that there is no guitar solo, perhaps this is the radio edit, and the guitar solo has been edited out. (Dont you remember the radio edit of TTT, and the edits in that, I still shudder every time I hear those edits). So, kick back, enjoy the MP3, and wait for the new album, before you bitch about it.
On another note. I saw "THE WHO" at the Meadows in Hartford on Saturday. Excellent show!!! Daltry's Voice was excellent, and John Entwhistle is an exceptional bassist. If they roll through your town, dont miss them!!!
Regards,
Michael Pomerleau
E-mail: (Home) michael_pomerleau@SNET.NET OR mpomerleau@ct1.nai.net (Work) michael_pomerleau@adc.com
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Who knows where the Cold Wind Blows... I ask my friends, but nobody knows... WHITESNAKE . . . 'Love ain't no Stranger'
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