YTSEJAM Digest 2878
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Stations, and, a quote to think about
by "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
2) Re: Dream Theater: A Commercial Success?
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
3) RE: reply to my own incoherency - and commercialism...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
4) re: Petrucci clinic TIME SENSITIVE!!!
by "Doug Merrell" <doug.merrell@telops.gte.com>
5) Fatez and DT
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
6) Re: Fatez and DT
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
7) Ytsejam: Situation Normal...All Fucked Up
by caber1@concentric.net
8) Re: Ytsejam: Situation Normal...All Fucked Up
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
9) Winter Rose...
by "Bruno Stort" <blubarbi@sti.com.br>
10) Re: Ytsejam: Situation Normal...All Fucked Up
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) Re: Jim Matheos' father...
by Matthew Travis <musicman@cu-online.com>
12) Guitar Content: Gary Hoey
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
13) Beats
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@mathworks.com>
14) Analog recording, dead bodies
by "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se>
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 07:04:42 PDT
From: "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Stations, and, a quote to think about
Message-ID: <19970818140445.22325.qmail@hotmail.com>
On Sat, 09 Aug 1997, John McCabe wrote:
>Does anybody know where I could search for the number of a radio
>station if I have the letters(i.e., WABC). I'm trying to figure out
where
>those radio stations were in the I&W liner notes. So, if you know any
>of these radio stations, WBAB, WWHJY, WWCWP, WRTN, please
>email me.
Well, since it's DTC, I figured I'd post it to the jam. Of course
I'm way behind in my reading, but hopefully I'm not repeating info
here. An FCC site where you can call up a brief description of an
FM station by entering the call letters (i.e. WABC) in a query is -
http://www.fcc.gov/mmb/asd/fmq.html
For the curious, here are the first 3 lines of each station query
that John asked for.
WBABFM Babylon NY US
272A 102.3 MHz BLH850828LN License
Owner: WBAB, Inc.
WHJY Providence RI US
231B 94.1 MHz BLH7459 License
Owner: Liberty Broadcasting Group, Inc.
WCWP Brookville NY US
201A 88.1 MHz BLED525 License
Owner: Long Island Univ., C.W. Post Campus
WRTN New Rochelle NY US
228A 93.5 MHz BLH841023CR License
Owner: Hudson Westchester Radio, Inc.
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http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters Quote of the month:
"Stayed up late last night / Lying here in bed
Looking for words / To say the things I left unsaid"
-Fates Warning, "A Pleasant Shade of Gray"
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:41:16 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dream Theater: A Commercial Success?
Message-ID: <33F85F0C.20986E2@caribe.net>
Rogerio Brito wrote: While it would be nice to buy a lot of copies
to hear on the car,
> at home etc., you must remember that a lot part of the price you
>
> are paying isn't going to the artists, but to the shop which is
>
> selling you the CD, to the big bad labels etc. with only a little
>
> going to those that really deserve the biggest part of the money.
>
>
>
This is a question ive had in the back of my mind for a while... about
how much actually goes to DT, for each album sold? A percent would be ok
:) .. then we'd have to divide into 5.. hehe ...
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:59:36 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: reply to my own incoherency - and commercialism...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970818145936Z-264@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
>
>Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:37:29 -0400
>From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
>To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: RE:Digital and Analog...
>Message-ID:
><c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970818123729Z-112@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mi
>l>
If you haven't read this, don't. It's incoherent, even to me. I'm going
to the coffee maker now...
Seriously - I got bit resolution and sampling rate mixed up again -
you'd think a programmer would know better... :)
>
>WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> wrote:
>>> I don't think it did. If I remember correctly, I&W indeed sold
>>> something like 500,000 units, but Awake stopped selling at 200,000 (in
>>> the US, that is. Worldwide sales will be higher, of course.)
I thought Awake was closer to 750,000. It can't have been as low as
200,000 - EastWest would have dropped them like a hot rock...
>>>
>> Well, let's change that. Every DT fan go out on Sept. 23rd and buy
>>multiple copies of the new album and make it go platinum! While I know
>>this isn't possible for everyone, it's nice to dream, isn't it?
>
> Well, I don't know if Awake was platinum in the USA, but if you
> have the Japan PPV video, you know that Awake was platinum in
> Japan, since the members were receiving the discs right before
> the show.
What I don't know is how many sales constitute Platinum status in Japan.
In the US, it's 1,000,000 - but it must be lower in Japan. Anyway, Fates
has never sold above about 350,000, I believe.
>
>> Perhaps, if Falling Into Infinity goes platinum, the general populous
>>will sit up and take notice that virtuosos have a place in radio and
>>mainstream once more.
>
> While it would be nice to buy a lot of copies to hear on the car,
> at home etc., you must remember that a lot part of the price you
> are paying isn't going to the artists, but to the shop which is
> selling you the CD, to the big bad labels etc. with only a little
> going to those that really deserve the biggest part of the money.
It doesn't matter how many copies they sell - you're not going to hear
DT on the radio very much. If FII was to sell, god help us, 25 million
copies, maybe. But knowing the current state of the U.S. music listener,
if that happened, I'd be looking for green pods around someplace -
'cause those people would be impostors...
>
>> I think it's cool that Fate's Warning have been playing demos of the
>>new DT disc between sets on their European tour...kinda gives DT
>>advanced exposure over there.
>
> I think that it would be a very nice thing if DT played Fates
> Warning songs. Fates has been playing for small crowds, charging
> very little for each admission and it is very sad to see such
> things happening with talented artists, while many commercial
> quartets or quintets are swimming on money. :-(
You know, this really bothers me - there were about 325 - 350 at the
Springfield, VA Fates show, and everybody else is returning attendance
numbers of 100 or less - and I thought this area sucked...
As for talent vs. commercial success, it's like comparing apples and
oranges. I agree it's a shame, but welcome to the music business. A good
hook and MTV, and it doesn't matter how bad the singing is or how dumb
the lyrics are.
Personally - I remember when Iron Maiden was HUGE, and got no MTV or
radio support. That was before the brainwashing of the U.S. music
listener was complete. Now, I'm pretty sure that this kind of thing
would be impossible. Then again, it was supposed to be impossible when
Maiden did it...
Mike
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 97 10:54:54 EDT
From: "Doug Merrell" <doug.merrell@telops.gte.com>
To: <gbast@brickhouse.com>, <geo2112@cyberwar.com>
Cc: <daus@metrolink.net>, <merrelld@gte.net>, <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Petrucci clinic TIME SENSITIVE!!!
Message-ID: <vines.Vuk8+y64ynA@barracuda.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com>
Hey George and fellow Ytsejammers,
this is in response to DAUS' email:
I don't know where you are located but there is a clinic in ORLANDO AND
TAMPA. Since the one in Orlando is too far out of the way for me to make
after work and I am in North Tampa, I will be attending the one on
Wednesday August 20, 1997. It should be TOTALLY COOL!! I hope he'll sign
some of my Guitar magazine covers that he was on. I'm bringing them just
in case. :)
I'd like to clear up some of the confusion. The dumbasses who print these
things in the Jam, a Tampa Bay Area Musician's Magazine, only printed the
one on Monday the 18th (today). I have called the Thoroughbred in Tampa
and they have confirmed that John Petrucci will be doing another clinic
there on Wednesday. The guy at T-bred said that there are NO tickets
required for this clinic. I believe that each of these clinics are free
to the ("Progressive" :)) Public.... just kidding, anyone can go and be
totally ASTOUNDED!
Any Tampa Ytsejammer/DT fans that want to go and don't have a ride, just
let me know. Or if anyone still has ANY questions about this, PLEASE
don't hesitate to email me directly.
I'm hoping to get my friend and DT fan, Jim, to go. (george, you know who
I'm talking about. :)) I'd love to hear some samples from Falling into
Infinity!!!! I'll be wearing my ytsejam shirt to show support. :)
Take care,
Doug Merrell
GTE Data Services
Systems Provisioning
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Original Text
]From "George Bast" <geo2112@cyberwar.com>, on 8/16/97 8:36 PM:
Don't know if this one is a replacement or an addition to the Tampa clinic
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:45:10 -0400
]From: Daus Studenberg <daus@metrolink.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Petrucchi Clinic in Florida!
Message-ID: <01BCA9D6.64DC83C0@mlb2018.metrolink.net>
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This is another reminder to those in Florida that there will be a John =
Petrucchi Guitar clinic in Florida on Monday, August 18. A lot of =
people have been wondering with store location he would be attending at =
and it is confirmed that he will be playing at the ORLANDO Thoroughbred =
Music Store. I believe the clinic will start at 6:30 PM, correct me if =
I am wrong. My friends and I are going to be there at least an hour and =
a half before the clinic (don't ask me why, I guess we think this thing =
might be sold out or something like that!?!?). I will be have a black =
YtseJam T-shirt on and my friend will have his Petrucchi guitar. I =
spoke to a few people who are attending and if there is anyone else =
attending let me know.
C-ya at the Clinic!
Daus Studenberg
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:24:15 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fatez and DT
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970818152415.0067f200@ici.net>
> I think that it would be a very nice thing if DT played Fates
> Warning songs. Fates has been playing for small crowds, charging
> very little for each admission and it is very sad to see such
> things happening with talented artists, while many commercial
> quartets or quintets are swimming on money. :-(
Actually, I think they did play Fates stuff recently (either the Fix shows,
or back on the ACOS tour). I think I remember hearing "Monument" among the
pre-show tunes (including, of course, "Rooster" :)).
__<psull@ici.net>__http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
Now Playing: Nothing - Work sucks. :)
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:16:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fatez and DT
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970818115009.5275A-100000@unix20.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Pat Sullivan wrote:
> Actually, I think they did play Fates stuff recently (either the Fix shows,
> or back on the ACOS tour). I think I remember hearing "Monument" among the
> pre-show tunes (including, of course, "Rooster" :)).
>
In Providence in 96, they played Monument, and if I remember correctly
they played Point of View a year earlier in...um...Long Island, I think.
I would guess they play Fates pretty frequently...
The Fates show in Cleveland was quite awesome (thanks to everyone who
helped me find the place.) Someone opened a huge can of whoop-ass
in part 2 of APSOG, and the intensity level for the whole thing was
through the roof. The only problem was the keyboard didn't sound quite
right in the old songs, but I think it would've been better if it had been
mixed higher. It's hard enough for keyboards to replace guitars in
general, but when you can't *hear* the keyboards, it becomes almost
impossible. This was most apparent in the Eleventh Hour, but the song
managed to kick my ass anyway because Ray belted it out beautifully.
Sitting through the opening bands was difficult. Tempo Tantrum was pretty
good I think, but I'm not familiar with them so I couldn't really get into
it. Arena was pretty bad, IMO...the singer sounded like he'd been hired
just for his ability to scream, and they had a serious lack of dynamics
and not much melody. And their clean guitar sound was mixed so poorly that
it was really painful to listen to. Way too bright. That probably wasn't
their fault, but in general, they didn't impress me at all. And RAMM, the
most pissed off band in Cleveland...well, at least they were amusing.
-maximilian
Anton Max
MadMax+@cmu.edu
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:41:56 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytsejam: Situation Normal...All Fucked Up
Message-ID: <33F8A584.2F3@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
It seems the jam has gotten back normal. But I was reading some of my
WWII notes from high school. It seems in WWI people thought that if
things could go right if they wanted them to. But in WWII they had given
in to the thought that things will always be "fucked up." This reminded
me of the jam, immediately. They made up these little phrases the one in
my title is pronounced SNA FU. The phrase after that is TAr FU meaning
Things All Fucked Up. The last and only used under really bad situations
was FU BAR. I think everyone will think back to the impostor when I say
this, Fucked Up Beyond All Repair. :)
--- Anybody notice this weird thing. Neil Peart's daughter is dead, and so is Jim Matheos father. Now, that in itself isn't weird, but I was reading Brandon's dream about Mike sending out dead bodies. Hehe, I just found this to be kind of weird because it all happen within a couple of days. --- > From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Unknowns, Tigger, Corpses> ENGLISH, MUTHAFUCKA, DOO YOUU SPEAK IT?!?!
"Hey, what country you think this is?"
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:39:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Ytsejam: Situation Normal...All Fucked Up Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970818143745.6262A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 caber1@concentric.net wrote:
> Anybody notice this weird thing. Neil Peart's daughter is dead, and so > is Jim Matheos father. Now, that in itself isn't weird, but I was > reading Brandon's dream about Mike sending out dead bodies. Hehe, I just > found this to be kind of weird because it all happen within a couple of > days.
It's been worse. I was so freaked out when we were saying all this shit about the lead singer for Blind Melon because he trashed Dream Theater and then a few days later he was found dead.
Brandon
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:06:24 -0300 From: "Bruno Stort" <blubarbi@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Winter Rose... Message-ID: <199708181907.QAA13490@davinci.sti.com.br>
Hi all!!! Did anyone listen this new Winter Rose (LaBrie's hard rock band) cd? It's fuckin' amazin', men... I don't like hard rock at all, but James is singing as always: extremaly well. And the songs are really cool. They are all the same stile that others hard rock bands do, but the guitar player (richard chycki) it's really amazing... If anyone wanna a copy I can tape it for ya (if you send me cash for the tape and the mailing...:))Well, I wanna say that finally DT is coming to Brasil. To all brazilians dt fans: They are coming on october, I think, but they won't play in SP, they will play in Sto Andre. I'll be there, surely.... Well, gotta go 4 now... []'s
Bruno Stort blubarbi@sti.com.br
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:03:19 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Ytsejam: Situation Normal...All Fucked Up Message-ID: <33F89C77.2547F21B@caribe.net>
Brandon Elhai wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 caber1@concentric.net wrote: > > > Anybody notice this weird thing. Neil Peart's daughter is dead, and > so > > is Jim Matheos father. Now, that in itself isn't weird, but I was > > reading Brandon's dream about Mike sending out dead bodies. Hehe, I > just > > found this to be kind of weird because it all happen within a couple > of > > days. > > It's been worse. I was so freaked out when we were saying all this > shit > about the lead singer for Blind Melon because he trashed Dream Theater > and > then a few days later he was found dead. > > Brandon
umm was it the singer? ..i remember it as being the 2 guitar players or the guitar player and the bass player.. anyways..i cant compare the 2, Shannon hoon was a drug addict who overdosed and died,..it wasnt an accident...what i mean is...he brought that to himself, with drug abuse,...unlike neil 's daughter and jims dad
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:19:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew Travis <musicman@cu-online.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Jim Matheos' father... Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.970818141400.19547A-100000@babba.cu-online.com>
ThE NuGgeTjAm wrote: :I don't know if this has reached the jam yet, but I have some sad news.
I went to the show in Champaign, IL and Chicago this week. I found at the Hosue of Blues about Matheos' father. It's really sad. But they all seemed really into the performance, though, which is good since it may be another 5 years before I get to see them again. Meanwhile, after work today I will write up my reviews of the two shows I went to see. Y'all outta like my reviewing style 'cause I'm an ass (but I love Fates).
-The Phunky One (aka Matthew Travis)
PS - just resubscribed to the list after a few months off due to a change of net accounts.
-- <A HREF="mailto:musicman@cu-online.com"> Matthew Travis </A> <A HREF="http://www.advancenet.net/~musicman/"> The Phunky One </A>
In the night there's wonder, always there for you to see; In the light of morning, visions fade and dreams can flee.
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Date: 18 Aug 97 10:17:41 -0700 From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Guitar Content: Gary Hoey Message-ID: <199708181953.MAA27581@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
In case anyone is interested in Gary Hoey, I recently saw him in a small club in Northern CA and he mentioned that he is putting together a live album of his recent/current tour. Should be great! Also, he will be releasing another Xmas album, "Ho Ho Hoey II", which will include such classics (rendered in guitar format) as "Mr. Grinch", "Frosty the Snowman", and about 6 others I have since forgotten the names of.. jam on, -Neil.
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:07:57 -0400 From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@mathworks.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Beats Message-ID: <33F8AB9D.613B@mathworks.com>
Chris Oates wrote: > > Okay, in four-four there are four beats as we know. Without syncopation, > you surmise correctly. Beats 1 and three are the strongest, with one being > stronger than three.
What if 1 and 3 are quarter rests and 2 and 4 are triple forte quarter notes? I think this notion of beat strength needs to be elaborated upon. Chris?
> If you add in syncopation, you can accent anywhere.
I have no idea what that that means. Please elaborate on this syncopation addition yielding accentability phenomenon.
> In three-four, the strongest beat is one, with two and three being about > equal.
So exactly what is the beat strength ratio of 2-to-3 in 3/4?
> In six-eight, beat one is strongest, and beat two is weaker (remember, only > two beats in six-eight)
Only two beats in 6/8? But 6/8 has the same number of eighth notes as 3/4, but has only two beats, whereas 3/4 has three? I think this notion of beat evaporation needs to be elaborated upon.... :)
> I'm sure I'm gonna get more questions, but I'm happy to answer until my > brain melts, which is ... uh ... oops ... closer than I thought.
Yup, you got 'em! Awaiting answers....
Brian
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:31:50 +0200 From: "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Analog recording, dead bodies Message-ID: <9708182035.AA29738@nomina.lu.se>
WARNING!! NDTC
>Of course, when you record analog, you run into more media problems (read >the liner notes to Boston's "Third Stage" for a crash course. :)). You can >play a .WAV file a million times, and it's always going to sound exactly >the same, but play a tape of the same thing a million times (or however >many you can before the tape breaks), and you *will* hear differences creep >in.
I heard that when Queen were recording "Bohemian Rhapsody" they did so many overdubs that you could see right through the tape. Of course they hurried and made a copy of the tape...
>>well I caught the QR concert on audionet.com last night, and while the >>sound sucked (real audio) it was good enough to hear that Geoff Tate's >>voice is really hurting. I heard he was sick, so maybe that's it, but I >>doubt it. >I was at the West Palm Beach, FL show a week ago, and he hit all the high >notes. I was listening for them. One thing that you could have missed, since >you only heard the concert is Geoff turning to the side to cough or wipe his >nose. I *saw* him do this.
Maybe it was because the audionet concert was digital and the high frequencies disappeared? :)
Mike bahr wrote:
>> Well, I thought I'd share a really weird dream that I had the other night. >> me. He said some date. Five days later I receive a huge (lifesize) package >> from Mike Bahr. It turns out it was a dead body. I'm like holy shit! Then >> I hear other posts from jammers about receiving dead bodies. A couple days > > Oh yeah, I almost forgot, orders are open as of today on the new >Dream Theater bootleg, "Dead Body". Thanks for the reminder. ;) >
sign me up!
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