YTSEJAM Digest 2884
Today's Topics:
1) Christmas CD
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
2) Perspectament
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
3) RE: Perspectament
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
4) RE: Perspectament
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
5) Fates? Heavy? No compute.
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@postoffice.syspac.com>
6) MJ - The PK
by gra@provida.no
7) My dissertation on Fates Warning (Warning: LONG)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@postoffice.syspac.com>
8) Re: Two little things...
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
9) Acoustic songs to share
by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
10) RE: Acoustic songs to share
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
11) dt on the radio
by Mathew and Melissa <palze@tcccom.net>
12) FW CD's, Bunch of Junk, and Friendly Tapes...
by caber1@concentric.net
13) The Quiet Room/Bawlimore Power Mad Fest
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:12:16 +0100 (BST)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Christmas CD
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-0820091216-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
I think this year's fan club Christmas CD should have those nice studio
versions of Eve and To Live Forever.
The Lie and Silent Man singles are probably almost sold out anyway, so
DT wouldn't be losing any sales, and it would give people who couldn't
find the singles (or who had them stolen!) a chance to hear these sublime
recordings.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:18:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Nightmare Cinema <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Perspectament Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96a.970820021716.24030B-100000@dante27.u.washington.edu>
Before I go, I'd like to do one last album review since I know some of the folks on this list listen to music and awful lot and have tons of cash to toss around for cds. :)
1. Testament, "Demonic."
Ever find yourself pummeling a random stranger in a parking lot because he touched your car? You're cracking down on his ribs with your black metal flashlight, and he's screaming at you to stop, and there's blood all over the place, and you can't for the life of you figure out why some people can't keep their hands to themselves? Sure, the flashlight probably won't work after this, and at one time you might have been sorry to lose such an investment, but that was before you figured out flashlights didn't have to work to be used as bludgeoning devices?
Yeah, me too. Anyway, ever think to yourself, "Gee, if only I had some appropriate black metal music to play on my car stereo while I dish out black metal justice... This would be SO much more enjoyable..." ?
If the above situation describes you to a tee, go pick up Testament's "Demonic." This album has more air than their last release, "Low." The recording is heavier and clearer all at the same time. It has three tracks that are in 6/8, so if you're on the Ytsejam like me and are still confused as all hell as to what this time signature really sounds like, buy this album and it will all become clear to you. In fact, those three tracks are just about the same tempo and in the same key, so Testament will really drive the point home, as well as about a dozen other points dealing with pain and agony. Now that I have this album I can syncopate my arm motions while I torture car-touching miscreants.
2. Jason Becker, "Perspective."
Forget all you've heard. Forget what you know. Forget what you think you know. And forget what you think you've heard you know. This album is about as scintillating as it gets, and I own nothing else like it in my collection. This includes the classical music.
I had the Testament album in hand and was heading for the counter, when there was Mr. Becker staring at me from the shelf. I blinked a few times to make sure I wasn't hallucinating.
"Thought you'd NEVER find me, huh?" Jason said.
Well let me tell you, it's rare that an album actually calls to me from the shelf. This hasn't happened since Steve Vai's "Passion & Warfare" or that recording I have of the Satanic Mass...man that album makes me think weird thoughts...
This album is astounding. Mr. Becker is quite a composer. He says it best himself on the back of the album - "I have Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS or Lou Gehrig's Disease). It has crippled my body and speech, but not my mind." Anyone looking for beautiful music, this album has it. And I don't mean Enya-beautiful, I mean hopeful-beautiful. Compositionally and musically it's light-years ahead of most of stuff out there today (which isn't saying much, but let's just say that I'm really impressed). Brimming with incredible counterpoint and harmony, "Perspectives" is pure vibrancy.
This settles it, Chris Ptacek has good taste. ;)
Testament: Death music. Nutshell: Becker: Life music.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:40:58 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Perspectament Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970820094058Z-664@ms.Kallback.com>
You're not gone yet? I love Perspective. See ya. T
>---------- >From: S. Borzilleri[SMTP:magellan@u.washington.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 1997 2:39AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Perspectament > > >Before I go, I'd like to do one last album review since I know some of the >folks on this list listen to music and awful lot and have tons of cash to >toss around for cds. :) > > >1. Testament, "Demonic." > >Ever find yourself pummeling a random stranger in a parking lot because he >touched your car? You're cracking down on his ribs with your black metal >flashlight, and he's screaming at you to stop, and there's blood all over >the place, and you can't for the life of you figure out why some people >can't keep their hands to themselves? Sure, the flashlight probably won't >work after this, and at one time you might have been sorry to lose such an >investment, but that was before you figured out flashlights didn't have to >work to be used as bludgeoning devices? > >Yeah, me too. Anyway, ever think to yourself, "Gee, if only I had some >appropriate black metal music to play on my car stereo while I dish out >black metal justice... This would be SO much more enjoyable..." ? > >If the above situation describes you to a tee, go pick up Testament's >"Demonic." This album has more air than their last release, "Low." The >recording is heavier and clearer all at the same time. It has three tracks >that are in 6/8, so if you're on the Ytsejam like me and are still >confused as all hell as to what this time signature really sounds like, >buy this album and it will all become clear to you. In fact, those three >tracks are just about the same tempo and in the same key, so Testament >will really drive the point home, as well as about a dozen other points >dealing with pain and agony. Now that I have this album I can syncopate my >arm motions while I torture car-touching miscreants. > > >2. Jason Becker, "Perspective." > >Forget all you've heard. Forget what you know. Forget what you think you >know. And forget what you think you've heard you know. This album is about >as scintillating as it gets, and I own nothing else like it in my >collection. This includes the classical music. > >I had the Testament album in hand and was heading for the counter, when >there was Mr. Becker staring at me from the shelf. I blinked a few times >to make sure I wasn't hallucinating. > >"Thought you'd NEVER find me, huh?" Jason said. > >Well let me tell you, it's rare that an album actually calls to me from >the shelf. This hasn't happened since Steve Vai's "Passion & Warfare" or >that recording I have of the Satanic Mass...man that album makes me think >weird thoughts... > >This album is astounding. Mr. Becker is quite a composer. He says it best >himself on the back of the album - "I have Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis >(ALS or Lou Gehrig's Disease). It has crippled my body and speech, but not >my mind." Anyone looking for beautiful music, this album has it. And I >don't mean Enya-beautiful, I mean hopeful-beautiful. Compositionally and >musically it's light-years ahead of most of stuff out there today (which >isn't saying much, but let's just say that I'm really impressed). >Brimming with incredible counterpoint and harmony, "Perspectives" is pure >vibrancy. > >This settles it, Chris Ptacek has good taste. ;) > > > Testament: Death music. >Nutshell: > Becker: Life music. > > >Bafu Vai > > >
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:52:18 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Perspectament Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970820095218Z-668@ms.Kallback.com>
Yeah, I sent personal mail to the jam. I'm a dork.
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:55:06 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@postoffice.syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates? Heavy? No compute. Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970819235503.007aed20@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 08:14 PM 8/19/97 -0700, Dusty wrote: >If you like (heavy) fates warning and DT, then this >band will more than likely blow you away.......Take Care >all.........Dusty
Not to piss anyone off, but if anyone seriously thinks Fates is "heavy", they need a serious shot of Sepultura, Death, Fear Factory, Tourniquet, or Sacred Reich :) That's not even mentioning doom, black, or goth metal (or another form or two that I probably missed :)...all of which have extremely heavy moments. Fates still rocks, though :) Good band.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:10:07 +0100 From: gra@provida.no To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MJ - The PK Message-ID: <412564F9.00425168.00@oslo1.provida.no>
This is the shortest concert review ever written:
I went to see Michael Jackson last night, and the show kicked som asses. Nuff sound, nuff fx, nuff girls, nuff beer and nuff MJ. All in all, it was kindda kewl.
-.profile [Not a 'PROG OR DIE' kindda dude]
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:20:54 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@postoffice.syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My dissertation on Fates Warning (Warning: LONG) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970820012051.0079a100@postoffice.syspac.com>
This might be long and boring, but if you're a fan of Fates, I'm sure you're used to long and boring stuff by now, so read on! ;)~
At 04:11 PM 8/19/97 -0700, Roger wrote: > Well, I'd be interested in this too. If any kind 'jammer could >make up such a list, I'm sure a lot of other 'jammers would be grateful. >And you know, the more lists, the more comprehensive vision we have from >the discs. > > Thank you very much for any help, Roger...
To me, Fates Warning sounds like what Queensryche would have become if they had stayed in the OM/Empire style, except Zonder (Fates' percussionist) is in a league of his own. Good, melodic, progressive...maybe metal, but that's really a hard assumption. Maybe if they added some thicker rhythm guitar sounds. Let's just say they're on the fringe. Here's what I think of some of the best Fates' songs IMHO, also in a very particular order:
"Monument" - Inside Out Progressive, powerful...um, maybe too much vocal wailing, but great song. Good use of different guitars and styles.
"Kyrie Eleison" - The Spectre Within Wow, my first Fates song :) Heavy, melodic, progressive, and Arch sings in (sounds like to me) harmonic minor in spots, which is the most interesting thing I think I've ever heard a singer do other than Tori, of course, but she's in a total league of her own! This song is prolly the heaviest Fates I've experienced, but also the most raw.
"Eye to Eye" - Parallels Once again, good mix of clean and heavy guitars. Definite Queensryche sound here. Melodic, great singing, standard Zonder drummin' (if there is such a thing). Personally, I think the "Parallels" album is Fates' masterpiece and I recommend it as the first listen. Just put on tracks 3, 4, 5, or 6. Those are the best on the CD, IMHO. Parallels has some kinda heavy moments too, but it's more like Queensryche-type heavy as opposed to Anthrax-type heavy.
"Point of View" - Parallels One of the heavier songs on Parallels, there's some really good double bass work here, good dynamics, and a constant flow through the song, especially in the Pre-Chorus ("Side by side...") and the Chorus. The Chorus is simply outstanding for everybody in the band, especially the singer. Kick-ass duet guitar work all over the place too.
"We Only Say Goodbye" - Parallels The catchiest prog song I've ever heard :) Great chorus. Once again, it's from Parallels, so it sounds Queensrychy and kinda thin, but it still rocks really well. Truthfully, I love every song off of Parallels.
"A Pleasant Shade Of Grey" - Self-titled album What can I say? Gotta give 'em credit for having some balls in this industry. After losing some members they pull a commercial suicide, but (BUT!) the album is great. A touch morbid and slow (sometimes boring), there are flashes of brilliance all over the place, making the album sound fantastic. I still can't believe they did it, considering the situation they were in. More power to 'em man. They have all the musical integrity in the world, to me. That's a big reason why I like 'em so much.
The only real complaints I have about the band are that:
1) the mix always sounds thin. Not an even mix, to my ears it sounds like there's next to no midrange at all. The guitars sound like they might not have been put down more than once, that could add to the thinness. In comparison, the thickest guitar sounds I've ever heard were ones where the guitar was laid down at least 4 or 5 times, sometimes even more (up to 10!). Thick guitar reference: Anthrax "Sound of White Noise", Metallica "Metallica", Pantera "Cowboys from Hell", Dream Theater "Awake".
2) The bass is always behind everything. One thing I really liked about Queensryche's HITNF was that the bass was brought way out in front, where IMHO it belongs. Fates' lack of ballz has alot to do with the bass playing, but Vera is excellent AND powerful live, which leads me to think "producer problem". Once again IMHO.
3) The guitar sound itself can annoy me. I wasn't suprised when I saw Matheos' rig at the show. From what I could tell, he was using a Marshall JCM 900 as a preamp only, through a few processors and other rack gadgets, into a Mesa/Boogie power amp. That's only my assumption, tho. I dunno about you guys, but I can totally tell a Marshall when I hear one, and Jim Matheos doesn't even crank it up to the max, it sounds like. If you can't tell, I seriously dislike the Marshall sound, except for AC/DC-type crunch sounds. I'm more into the Rocktron/Mesa Boogie massive ballz and chunk type of sounds, but that's just me. My favorite rhythm guitar sound, for comparison, is the rhythm sound on Metallica's "Metallica". You can tell which albums by Metallica were used with a Marshall dist and which ones weren't. Jaymz had Mesas from '85 on.
Hope I helped out some jammerz, and I'm sorry for the length!
Pedro Felipe wrote: >DTDT: It would be cool if DT covered some Spice Girls songs > live. Believe it or not, Metallica played some dance > music live last year...Yep, it's true. Just when you > thought they couldn't get worse... :)
Just you wait, my friend. The new Metallica CD will knock your ass outta your seat, I (almost :) guarantee.
"Let's Dance!"
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Peace be with you and God bless,
~Vince
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:43:53 +0300 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Two little things... Message-ID: <33FAD878.1CF@Netvision.net.il>
Rogerio Brito wrote: > 2 - Some friends of mine (including my girlfriend) that don't > listen to heavy metal/progressive or other styles of music that have > distorted guitars have been telling me "You don't know what music is", > "You only listen to noise". Well, I'd like to prove they are wrong making > a compilation tape consisting of what I think are the finest acoustic > songs. So far, I have not a very large list, and I'd like to know if you > could give me other suggestions (maybe I can even know of other new > bands). Here is the list I've made till now: > > 1 - Tears (Rush's version); > 2 - The Silent Man; > 3 - A Pleasant Shade of Gray -- Pt. X; > 4 - Tears (DT's version); > 5 - Wait for Sleep (the acoustic performance); > 6 - My Kantele (Amorphis); > 7 - Mama Said (I don't know if I'll put this); > 8 - Nothing Else Matters (elevator version); > 9 - Opeth's Requiem (very nice song). > > Well, if you can help adding some acoustic songs that you think > are interesting, please, let me know. I don't know if know more acoustic > songs than these. Maybe this list also exhausts the list of acoustic songs > that I know of. > > Thank you very much for any help, Roger...
Roger, Try Shadow Gallery's "Don't ever cry just remember" or "Alaska"....
-- "Yauza Yauza Yauza...." - Frank Zappa "You say you want everyone happy. Well, we're not laughing..." - John Petrucci, "Scarred"
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:01:07 -0500 From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Acoustic songs to share Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970820070105.0068757c@enteract.com>
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:17:58 -0300 (EST) >From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
>I'd like to prove they are wrong making a compilation tape consisting of >what I think are the finest acoustic songs. So far, I have not a very large >list, and I'd like to know if you could give me other suggestions (maybe >I can even know of other new bands). Here is the list I've made till now: <snip>
Ah, you've opened a big can of worms! :)
Queensryche songs: Anything from the Unplugged session, Silent Lucidity, Bridge, Waiting for 22, Anybody Listening (not really acoustic, but kicks ass anyway), Someone Else, Out of Mind
Other people: Jason Becker, "Air"; Randy Rhoads, "Dee", stuff by Steve Morse, Ron Thal "Every time I shake my head it's christmas" (somewhat acoustic...more lounge singer, but it'll catch everyone off guard..)
Or find some old glam ballads. Like Slaughter's "Fly to the Angels". <grin> I'm sure I'm missing a lot of songs, but I've only been awake for 20 minutes now. :) Hope it helps!
-Maddy
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:13:16 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Acoustic songs to share Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970820121316Z-724@ms.Kallback.com>
>>I'd like to prove they are wrong making a compilation tape consisting of >>what I think are the finest acoustic songs.
Do you have DT's Acoustic Dreams? You could put something off that on it. (And I'm sure Mike Bahr would agree.)
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:51:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Mathew and Melissa <palze@tcccom.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: dt on the radio Message-ID: <199708201251.HAA27379@bsd-03.tcccom.net>
hey all. i was listening to a local radio station on the way home from work the other night, and they were having a battle of the bands, where listeners could call in for one of two bands. well, one band was dt, and the other was dio. pretty cool, huh? :) unfortunatly, dt lost. :( but they dj said that since they were still cool, he'd play a song anyways. so he played metroplis. :)
later, mathew
np:shadow gallery
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:16:17 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FW CD's, Bunch of Junk, and Friendly Tapes... Message-ID: <33FB0A40.2A65@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
Fates Warning CD's...
Hmm, I don't care what you people say about Parallels it's nothing compared to Perfect Symmetry! PS is the album that made me fall in love with Alder's voice. Stupid me, I started with Chasing Time. Since I didn't know what the line up was with each song was I didn't know that they had two singers(btw, the line up is in the liner notes, again stupid me :). Parallels has the best lyrical work. Inside Out has Monument. This has got to be the best song I've ever heard! I'd pay for the CD just for that song! Check out that bass intro! Awesome...No Exit, good but different from the others that I have. It's more metal than prog. I really like Silent Cries, and Shades of Heavenly Death. Both were written by Matheos, Aresti, DiBiase, and Zimmerman. And don't forget IGoD! :) And I've left APSoG last for a reason. I think on a musical level it's good. But I like to know what the hell the song(album) is about. The best I've come up with is the analogy that inbetween black and white(in life) there's gray spots. Well the song is about someone's life and the hard-ships they go through. But I don't even know if that's remotely close so I tend to not think about what Alder is singing.
And just to put numbers next to the album names here goes... 1)Perfect Symmetry 2)Inside Out 3)Parallels 4)No Exit 5)APSoG 6)Chasing Time(only because it doesn't "flow" like their other albums do) --- > From: Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> > Subject: JP Guitar Clinic Review
> 'A New Millenium' will shock you guys just like '6:00' did.
Hey, did I call this or did I call this? ;-) --- > From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso) > Subject: eastwest
> Did anyone else receive a a record from EastWest with the song "Sock It 2 Me" > along with "Pass Da Blunt" on it?
Yeah, I heard it's from some new project band called Yot Nrop! :) --- > From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> > Subject: Re: Geoff Tate > Personally, if I were a singer, I just wouldn't smoke. It's STUPID. I > will say that again: SINGERS WHO SMOKE ARE STUPID.
So, what about us non-smokers and non-singers? Are we stupid, or just plain ol'annoying? --- Some people have been asking what songs to record for their friends. Well, the best thing to do is just play your favorite song. If they say it sucks, don't worry. Press eject, and shout "Dream Theater does NOT suck. You suck!" Then quickly shove your new jap import of FII+bonus CD down your friend's throat! I think Mike Bahr will agree with...nothing I said in this paragraph!
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:11:18 -0400 From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Quiet Room/Bawlimore Power Mad Fest Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970820131118Z-17114@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
Re: The Quiet Room
>> We have a >> great local progressive metal band here, actually they are from denver, >> some of you might have heard of them, but do yourselves all a favor and >> check out their website, they just put up, at >> http://www.oneimage.com/~gto >> I've seen them 3 times in the last 2 weeks and have been blown away >> each and every time..
Yup, these guys are really worth checking out. When I ordered their new CD, I received the following "update" about that Prog-Metal-Fest thingy to be held in Baltimore:
>> The Quiet Room and Mercury Rising will be appearing at the Power Mad >> Fest in Baltimore on November 28-30th 1997. There is some really good >> bands appearing: Vicious Rumors, Mystic Force, Forte, Elegy, Fates >> Warning, Altura, Pyscho Drama, Cauldron Born, Etc... and More! I will be >> in touch. I hope you will be able to attend - it is going to be a great big >> metal blow out!!!! >> >> Best Wishes, >> Ron @ Dominion Records
Later, Mark Metzger mmetzger@bostech.com
>> finest acoustic songs Traffic = John Barleycorn Must Die
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