YTSEJAM Digest 2882
Today's Topics:
1) This is gonna be rough...
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@netvision.net.il>
2) Bonus Tracks on FII
by SatchFreak@aol.com
3) Re: This is gonna be rough...
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
4) Unclassifeid: Re: Bonus Tracks on FII
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
5) Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
by "Stig Bragstad" <stigb@internet.no>
6) sdajfasdlj
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
7) Geroge Bellas - new Shrapnel Guy
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
8) more theory (ugh)
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
9) I've returned at last!
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
10) Reviews Part II (NDTC)
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
11) Two little things...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
12) Re: Reviews Part II (NDTC)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
13) !!!VIDEO OF THE PETRUCCI CLINIC IN FLORIDA!!!
by Daus Studenberg <daus@metrolink.net>
14) THE QUIET ROOM WEBSITE!!!!
by "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@mail.iex.net>
15) Re: Fates warnings CDs
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
16) Unclassified: Re: Two little things...
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:37:37 +0300
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: This is gonna be rough...
Message-ID: <33FA1221.6205@Netvision.net.il>
This is probably gonna be a flaming subject for the next
couple o'jams, but anyway, here it goes:
I live in a shitty dump (aka Israel) so I don't know
much about prog.
I currently listen to:
- Rush
- DT
- FW
- SG
Now, can you please tell me who are?
Marillion?
King's-X? (or whatever the name is)
Savatage?
And all of those other bands you're talking 'bout all of the time.
If you're not too troubled, can someone e-mail me a sample of
each bands material?
BTW i've only heard SG's Carved in stone and it took me a month
and a half getting it.
BTW2 what's Tori Amos got to do with progressive?
though she was an MTV singer or something like that....
I'm not even sure she's a SHE, but it seems like a girl's name
and I know I've heard that name once before I even heard
about DT...
Thanx.....
Shai Yallin
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:06:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: SatchFreak@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bonus Tracks on FII
Message-ID: <970819200545_1647127563@emout11.mail.aol.com>
well, according to Jart Music...www.jartmusic.com, the bonus tracks will be
demo versions of two other tracks..i dont know if the demos are from existing
tracks or two that were cut.
bryan
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:25:07 -0600
From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: This is gonna be rough...
Message-ID: <199708200031.RAA06535@odin.ax.com>
>Marillion?
Marillion IS a laid back band. They are somewhat progressive, depending
on your point of view. They remind me of what people describe old Genesis
to be, even though I've never heard old Genesis. (shrug). I'd say that if
you want to buy an album, dig around through the UK import catalog and
order Misplaced Childhood. It's probably the best album to start with,
next being Clutching at Straws. You'll grow to love the rest quickly. :)
>BTW2 what's Tori Amos got to do with progressive?
Hell if I know. I just know she's a babe who can rock the Clavinova and
sing like an angel who lost her wings. Pretty kewl stuff, somewhat
melancholy, which is NEVER a bad thing. She's progressive in the sense
that no one else really writes stuff like she does. (At least not that
I've heard).
On the subject of dreams briefly: Whatever compulsed me to dream that I
went to a Spice Girls concert? I've never even heard one of their songs.
Funny thing was, I seemed to be meeting all kinds of jammers there.
hahahah. Eventually my friend got us kicked out and we drove off in my
Ferrari F50. Dreams rule.
~KorgX3 waits patiently for someone to bludgeon with a stout cudgel.
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:48:09 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Unclassifeid: Re: Bonus Tracks on FII
Message-ID: <4A2564F9.0003AF91.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Are these two demo tracks going to be on the 'b' side of the 'Burning My
Soul' CD single ?
Which seems to happen to most of the Jap bonus tracks with other bands,
they end up on singles more often than not.
This might save a few $$$ for those who are not able to afford expensive
Jap. imports, but would still like to hear these demo's.
I'll no doubt get both cos I have nothing better to do with my hard earned
:)
gRaham.
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:50:06 +0200
From: "Stig Bragstad" <stigb@internet.no>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
Message-ID: <19970820005118115.AAA147@stigbrag>
Hey I've got no idea about how to leave this list, cause I lost the mail
that told me how after some serious damage to my systeme caused by an
installation of IE4.0!
Please help me I haven't got time to read this list... so what's the point
with subscribing to it then?
It only takes me extra time when receiving mail anyway!
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:05:19 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: sdajfasdlj
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970819180502.006b4ee4@cats.ucsc.edu>
>What's the purpose of declaring beats as STRONG and weak, when there can
>be so many different 6/8 measures out there with different notes, rests,
>accents, dynamics, phrasing markings, .... ?
Because, according to classical music theory, that's the way it's
_supposed_ to be. Modern music (i.e. rock and such) use syncopation
heavily, but notation was developed before then, when 99.9999% of all 6/8
measures were the way I described. There isn't a whole variety of 6/8
measures. There's ONE 6/8 measure, and lots of ways to break the rules.
>The only real purpose of declaring beats as being STRONG or weak is to
>help with counting -- but the counting scheme is totally left to the
>musician.
Um ... no. The counting scheme is up to the composer. The notation is
there to tell the person playing it how the composer wrote it. That's why
the rules are there.
>If there are six eighth notes in a measure, it really doesn't
>matter if the musician thinks of it as two triplets or three duplets.
It does, it does, it does! It completely changes the feel of the song
depending on how you do it. The first note of any tuplet is naturally
accented some whenever one plays it. Only a computer can play notes
completely evenly. Hence dividing it into tuplets in the notation tells the
player how the composer intended it.
>Thus your whole STRONG and weak beat argument is really just your
>personal preference, and you really should stop trying to convince
>people that certain "beats" are "stronger" than others, because not only
>is beat strength defined by the individual, but where the beats take
>place is as well.
No, it's not my preference. It's somply the way things were for several
hundred years before Rock Music (tm) was created. And, I'm not trying to
convince people of anything, other than what notation means in its original
form, so that when they discuss music they don't look like complete idiots.
Hey, if you want to look like a complete idiot when talking about music,
go ahead. Dream Theater breaks these rules all over the place in Images &
Words, but they know when and why they are doing it, and that makes the
music more interesting.
And, once again, it's not up to an individual which beats are strongest.
It's like grammar. There are rules set forth. For the purposes of your
art (i.e. your song) you can break them however you choose, but knowing
when you do it can only help.
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 21:20:24 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Geroge Bellas - new Shrapnel Guy
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+sJYynA@tcx.tcco.com>
If there is anyone who is starving for some of the serious shredding of the
80's, check out new Shrapnel artist - George Bellas' "Turn of the Millennium".
The in-store promo listed him as the "new Malmsteen", so of course I could
not resist picking it up. It's great. Unlike a lot of the new breed of
shredders who fill their instrumentals with songs that will help them to
"cross over", Bellas goes full steam ahead with machine gun like runs within
his very tasteful compositions.
PS - Shrapnel includes a cool catalog of their CDs.
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:23:05 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: more theory (ugh)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970819182119.006b0fd8@cats.ucsc.edu>
Sorry if this gets sent twice. I needed to add something ...
Yes, I'm getting tired of this, too. For those interested, there are lots
of books on music theory out there that will tell you the same things I am
.. I only took two quarters of theory, it's pretty basic stuff if you pay
attention and don't go in with a chip on your shoulder of "I don't believe
in this stuff"
> 1-Can anyone explain me all about syncopations?
> Can it be heard in any of Dream Theater's songs?
As I've said in other messages, nearly all meters have a basic rhythmic
pattern of strong and weak pulses to them. Syncopation is where the
composer sets up the music with a different organization of strong and weak
pulses. (I say the word pulse to differentiate between this concept and
beats as defined in meter signatures) That's it. That't all syncopation
is. DT uses it all over the place, as do many rock groups. The simplest
example, and the most often heard one is to take a measure of 4/4, which
normally has a quarter-note pulse pattern of:
STRONG weak Strong weak
(note: each pulse is also a beat in the meter)
and divide it up into eighth note pulses and give it a pattern of:
STRONG weak weak Strong weak weak Strong weak
(note: each pulse is NOT a beat in the meter, but because of the
syncopation, the pulse pattern ends up being more important)
Another basic example is what is often called "jazz counting" or "blues
counting" or "swing time" (etc.) Where, instead of dividing a quarter note
into two equal eighth notes, the first pulse is two eighth note triplets,
and the second one eighth note triplet. This gives a more "rolling" feel
to the music. In notation, it is still notated as two eighth notes, but
the feel is different, and there will be some indicator at the top of the
music saying jazz time or swing, with a picture showing that two eighth
notes equals the triplet feel. As far as I know, DT has never done a song
with a swing feel.
> 2-Is there any kinda homepage with (gulp) music theory?
Just do an altavista (or whatever is your favorite search engine) search on
music theory, and that should get you started ... I've never looked.
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:37:38 -0500
From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I've returned at last!
Message-ID: <19970820013455676.AAA267@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
Hello Ytsejammers! For the past week I've been cut off from the net while
a friend and I were rebuilding my computer and working out the hardware
bugs. I am now cruising along with a Pentium 233mmx w/ 48 megs sdram, a
2.2 meg Hercules LightSpeed 2d card, and a Diamond Monster 3d (3dfx voodoo
chipset) card. After hooking back into the net today, I had 18 Ytsejams
waiting.... which to tell you the truth was less than I was expecting
considering the rate they were being cranked out in the days before I
opened up my system's guts. Good to be back!
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 20:45:13 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
To: Freaks R Us <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Reviews Part II (NDTC)
Message-ID: <33E66989.FCDDF469@geocities.com>
Hey there jammanoids!
> If you order stuff from them anyway, please go there though :
> http://www.cduniverse.com/cgi-bin/cdubin.exe/lobby/frm=lk_itchy/
> Free cd's for Itchy :-))
Hehehe, I've decided to help you and updated my bookmark. =) Don't
expect a lot from me, this last order made a lot of damage to my
pocket...
BTW, I watched the two videos, and there they go:
Queensr˙che, "Video: Mindcrime" - Cool videos from my fave R˙che album,
to be better they could have made videos for the other songs (what about
"Suite Sister Mary"??? What a video would that be!!!). That way the
story could be completed (jumping from "Speak" directly to "Breaking the
Silence" cuts a lot from it...)
G3 Live in Concert - Now let me get my jaw back from the ground before
typing these lines. =) Whoa, amazing!!! The only thing I did not like
was Eric's performance (he stays 99% of the time looking to the neck of
his guitar, and the other 1% looking at his musicians...), although his
technique got me shaking on my knees. Vai's performance, always
incredible, with a lot of help from the what's-his-name bassist (can't
remember now, but that guy is cool! Couldn't take my eyes off him when
Vai played here =) ), and, o'course, Mike Keneally, "The Mad Hatter" as
he became known around here in Brazil. =) I'm not even going to mention
Satch, he's always my favorite.
No for some brief DTC, does anyone in Brazil have CONCRETE info about
DT shows here? I've only heard rumors up to now, I'd like to know what
is the fuss all about!
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:17:58 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Two little things... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970819230115.25054B-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
Hi, All.
1 - I'd really love if you indicated me a good music theory book. I must say that I know really *NOTHING* about music. Let me repeat this: nothing. I feel a complete ignorant here in Dream Theater. The only thing that I know related to music is to put one CD on my CD player and press the Play button... :-( I really feel bad when you people (Chris Oates, Mark Peters etc) start to talk about music. Maybe I should learn something very fast... If you can indicate some "Music for Dummies", I'd be greatly indebted (and I also think that other 'jammers would like).
2 - Some friends of mine (including my girlfriend) that don't listen to heavy metal/progressive or other styles of music that have distorted guitars have been telling me "You don't know what music is", "You only listen to noise". Well, I'd like to prove they are wrong making a compilation tape consisting of what I think are the finest acoustic songs. So far, I have not a very large list, and I'd like to know if you could give me other suggestions (maybe I can even know of other new bands). Here is the list I've made till now:
1 - Tears (Rush's version); 2 - The Silent Man; 3 - A Pleasant Shade of Gray -- Pt. X; 4 - Tears (DT's version); 5 - Wait for Sleep (the acoustic performance); 6 - My Kantele (Amorphis); 7 - Mama Said (I don't know if I'll put this); 8 - Nothing Else Matters (elevator version); 9 - Opeth's Requiem (very nice song).
Well, if you can help adding some acoustic songs that you think are interesting, please, let me know. I don't know if know more acoustic songs than these. Maybe this list also exhausts the list of acoustic songs that I know of.
Thank you very much for any help, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:44:42 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Reviews Part II (NDTC) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970819234144.25179A-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Marcelo Vanzin wrote:
> Now for some brief DTC, does anyone in Brazil have CONCRETE info > about DT shows here? I've only heard rumors up to now, I'd like to know > what is the fuss all about!
Well, if they play many nights here, I'll be there *all* nights!
And just one more question to the 'jammers: is taping allowed on DT shows?? Whom do I have to contact to see this?? D-man, since you have contact with the band, could you tell me about this??
Thank you very much (as usual), Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:50:24 -0400 From: Daus Studenberg <daus@metrolink.net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: !!!VIDEO OF THE PETRUCCI CLINIC IN FLORIDA!!! Message-ID: <01BCACF4.798CCE80@mlb2163.metrolink.net>
(Please spread the word as I have a limited amount of time to do this. = This is a re-post for those that did not get the message yet.)
ATTENTION JAMMERS!
I recently had the opportunity to watch the John Petrucci clinic in = Orlando, Florida (8/18/97). Let me tell you that it was one of the most = amazing clinics that I have ever seen. The reason that I liked it was = because it was not like a guitar class, but more like a CONCERT. He = played songs from the NEW album, with the studio tracks as back-up and = they sounded great! He played some solo work from a SEGA game that he = wrote background tracks for and that's not all! He also jammed to = Prince's "Purple Rain" and turned that rain into sunshine! Best of all, = I got it all on video tape! If you would like a copy of this video = tape, please e-mail me at daus@metrolink.net for details.
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:56:41 +0000 From: "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@mail.iex.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: THE QUIET ROOM WEBSITE!!!! Message-ID: <199708200301.VAA27334@mail.iex.net>
Fellow jammers, hiya, my name is Dusty and I live in Colorado Springs. We have a great local progressive metal band here, actually they are from denver, some of you might have heard of them, but do yourselves all a favor and check out their website, they just put up, at http://www.oneimage.com/~gto I've seen them 3 times in the last 2 weeks and have been blown away each and every time.. They have a few sound files (waves) on their website that will kind of give you an idea of what they sound like. I am disspointed though, the crowd here in colorado isn't that receptive to progressive metal, and not a heck of alot of people showed. It's just a shame because they are such an amazing band and a nice bunch of guys. Their keyboard player(Jeff), was telling me that they are slated to play a couple of prog festivals on the east coast, so I wish them the best of luck........Anyway, please check out their website and the sound files, and if you are interested in buying their CD "Introspect", I believe there is a link to their record company, if not, let me know, and I'll check with Jeff on how to order it.......If you like (heavy) fates warning and DT, then this band will more than likely blow you away.......Take Care all.........Dusty
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:59:25 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Fates warnings CDs Message-ID: <19970820021904.AAA29751@sni.pananet.com>
> Could anyone make me a Fates Warning cd ranking.... >
Just for the sake of wasting space, I'd like to list my ranking from a I'm-not-a-fan,- but-they're- ok point of view....
oh, and only the Ray Alder era, I havent heard the Arch stuff...
Inside Out APSOG No Exit Parallels Perfect Symmetry
Inside Out is the only one that made me go 'Wow, this is cool'. Very good songwriting on that one.
APSOG... It's very good, but it's far from a masterpiece in my book.
No Exit... I really like this one, but has that classic metal sound, which I don't listen to much these days, but when the mood strikes....
Parallels... Great melodies, riffs, solos, etc... but for some reason I don't like it. I listen to it, and I say "I should like this, there's no reason I shouldn't", but I don't. For me, it's missing that extra, unexplainable bit music needs.
Perfect Symmetry- didn't like it. Sounds like they were trying too hard to be prog on this one.
All in all, I've given Fates a fair chance, but i just can't get too heavily into it. And the only reason is 'it' ya know? It's just sometghing thats missing, some undescribable thing. I guess that's just me..Inside Out has 'it', APSOG has some of 'it'...oh well
Ernie
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:45:49 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Unclassified: Re: Two little things... Message-ID: <4A2564F9.00135241.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
I am in a similar position to Roger, I want to make a tape for a girl who has no idea about prog music, something that is appealing tot them, yet still show how damn good the music we know and love is. I wasn't thinking of 'acoustic' type songs though, maybe some of the more 'lighter' prog songs that I know of. ANGRA do an awesome 'orchestral' version of 'Stand Away' on 'Freedom Call' that would be one I'd inclued, 'Space-Dye Vest' has a weirdness about it that might appeal to the girls, throw in a couple of Marillion tunes to tug on the heartstrings. I can't think of anymore right now, as I am a work and don't have mt CD's in front of me.
gRaham.
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