YTSEJAM Digest 2881
Today's Topics:
1) For Sale NDTC
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2880
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
3) Issimo, Eckie, Vai, What I Got
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
4) Beat on, beat off...
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@mathworks.com>
5) Falling Into......
by "Don Compton" <soulmadness@hotmail.com>
6) ACOS Project Update (almost there)
by vaughn_b@chipola.cc.fl.us
7) =?iso-8859-1?Q?US-Arena_may_suck,_UK-Arena_don=B4t!?=
by Erik Gorissen <egorissen@online-club.de>
8) Re: Fates Review - Cleveland, OH - 8/15/97
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
9) unts unts unts
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
10) Fates warnings CDs
by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
11) Stuff
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
12) DELPHI
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
13) Anyone know the Japan Bonus Tracks?
by MTeiper@aol.com
14) Re: Fates warnings CDs
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:23:16 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: For Sale NDTC
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970819092316Z-517@ms.Kallback.com>
Bozzio, Levins, Stevens-Black Light Syndrome $9 obo
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:44:34 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2880
Message-ID: <199708190944.CAA22730@goodnet.com>
Some replies...
First pure DT content:
The "Lie" video has been on 5 of the last 7 nights on M2. My
brother in law, Joe, has been watching a lot of it lately and he mentioned
this to me. Perhaps the You Not Me video (if any) might actually get
rotation? Even if it doesn't, I wanna see it. :)
Eckie writes...
> NDTC, I juss have to do this 'cuz I don't have a nifty mail program like
> da rest of ya'all. I'm still using PINE! *gasp*
I use Elm... hell, it's FAST. And when I'm on the 386-sx laptop
under Qmodem 4.2f calling the net because the big machine is making CDs, I
gotta make concessions. :)
> Anyhoo, I'm in the market for an ISP. A REAL one, not this email/telnet
> only crap ASU provides. If any of ya in the Phoenix metro/Maricopa
> county, etc. areas (ah hell, anything within the 602 area code) could
> give me recommendations and some phone numbers, I would be much happy
Whichever one you go to will eventually get bought by Goodnet, so
you might as well go to Goodnet. I used to be on lairnet, then indirect,
and they both got bought up. Me, Mike Kizer, and a hell of other Zoners
are on it. It's both the best and the worst public ISP in AZ... fast, easy
to get through most of the time, and unlimited time and meggage (did
anyone say "FTP site"? All I need is the T1/T3 for throughput) but it's
buggy as hell, crashes a lot, and has server problems all the time.
Ryan Whitaker writes...
>
> YES! I finally got my PT and TDOW discs. Comments around the board:
> 1) Kind of disappointed that I paid $25 and didn't get the CD label,
> which was supposed to be dropped on the $20 discs. Oh well.
Well, this was kind of a fringe detail. The CD labels constituted
only $1.40 of the cost of each CD, so I figure I'd rather people want a
buck and a half from me than they want $200 from me because my CD with
label stuck and jammed up their car stereo and it had to be repaired. :)
> 2) Mike's laser printer sure is good. I'm surprised the liners
> turned out this nice.
Thank Sir Speedy print shop. :)
> 3) I must have a post-Cox debacle edition of TDOW, because it thanks
> Brian Cox on the inside.
Uhmm... shhh. :) I didn't realize at the time that Brian wanted to
remain completely in the anonymous. and it doesn't say he provided the
material. All it says is "this CD would have sucked if it wasn't for ~"
and since Portnoy himself suggested the TDOW project...
> 4) What's this about "If you were charged in excess of $25 for this
> record, please do not accept it." Is this saying that every disc
> Bahr (the collective entity known as Mike and Melissa =) produces
> from now on will be 'blocked' from being sold for more than $25? I'm
> proud of the fact that I own Acoustic Dreams, and it's worth a fair
> amount, which is a large part of getting collectibles.
Aftermarket value can be whatever the buyer and seller want it to
be. That's all just legal mumbo jumbo to protect its initial marketing
with yet another piece of gray-area law, and to appease the label. I am
working on a re-wording of that clause that will make it clear that future
sales are up to the parties involved.
> 5) Sound quality is EXCELLENT on most tracks. I've had the Birch
Well, muchas gracias! :) I appreciate it!
Dan Russell writes...
>
> I am interested in purchasing some boots off of people out there. Either
> DT, FW or Queensryche. Please email me in private with a response thanks!!
You may wish to check out: http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik There
are many bootlegs to be had there.
> On the lighter side, if you REALLY want to see what Geoff can do, get the
> "Building Empires" video and watch the last 2 songs. They are "unplugged"
> acoustic versions of "I will remember" and "Della Brown" and they are
> phenomonal. With nothing to cover up his amazing talent, and no amps or
> effects, Geoff demonstrates "first take" emotion and range. Incredible.
> You can order the video for like $16 at www.cdnow.com , and it goes through
> the QR history of videos right back to the "hairspray" 80's. Well worth it!
I totally agree. The BE video kicks ass. I was stumble-bum-lucky
to find the laserdisc of this at Incredible Universe last year, and it's
been one of my favourite music videos since then. I need the vid of the
entire Unplugged by QR! :)
> I love the 'Jam, but I get sick of the fucking criticism around this place
It's nothing compared to in 99% of the rest of the net, so I
actually find it's not all that annoying, in comparison.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:08:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Nightmare Cinema <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Issimo, Eckie, Vai, What I Got
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96a.970819045056.3922G-100000@dante23.u.washington.edu>
> From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
> Subject: beat <huh huh. you said...>
>
> Oh, yeah!?!?! Well, what if you have pianississimo <ppp> quarter notes
> on 1 and 3 and fortississimo <fff> quarter RESTS in 2 and 4? What then,
> hmmm?
Simple. Fanucci notation.
---- > From: eckie@asu.edu > Subject: Re: buying 'tage > > ~Eckie still thinks Posh Spice could kick Baby Spice's ass in a mud > wrestling contestThe only way this will ever happen is if you drop acid BEFORE dreaming, eckie.
Not that I don't agree wholeheartedly that yes, Posh is hardcore. If I go into too much detail, D-Man will chime in with "hahaha you know all their names hahaha." :)
> "Quick, lock the doors, shut the gates! Hide the hatchets and bury the > women, Eckie's here!"
Where do they do all this stuff just for your entrance, eck? Motel 6? Sounds kinky.
---- > From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> > Subject: Steve Vai. > > I remember this too. He said he made $10 off of each copy of the > CD, and he sold 100,000.
In my best attempt to remain relevant with the current 'jam tokens, let me just say that YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR.
> Anyone hear anything about his upcoming Christmas CD? This I gotta > hear! :)
Yes. He's releasing a disc before, on, or after Christmas. It will feature Christmas-related music and will feature him on guitar. He will most likely produce the entire album. Hope this helps. :)
---- > From: Dave <buster@ee.net> > Subject: NDTC > > I love the 'Jam, but I get sick of the fucking criticism around this > place sometimes. This is probably the only place on Earth that takes the > top 10 rock vocalists and picks them apart piece by piece on a regular > basis. By posting this I'm not saying that people don't have the right > to critique, I'm just inclined to voice the other side of the coin and > try to balance things out. Fuck, if I took all of the vocalist reviews > in here as gospel, I wouldn't think there were any good singers.
Life is... So love the one ya got, 'cause ya might get runova or ya might get.
Shot.
Never startle static, I just git it off my chest. Never had to battle wid'ma bullet-proof.
Vest.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:50:08 -0400 From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@mathworks.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Beat on, beat off... Message-ID: <33F99680.1FC0@mathworks.com>
Chris Oates said: > >> > >> In six-eight, beat one is strongest, and beat two is weaker (remember, only > >> two beats in six-eight) > > > >Only two beats in 6/8? But 6/8 has the same number of eighth notes as > >3/4, but has only two beats, whereas 3/4 has three? I think this notion > >of beat evaporation needs to be elaborated upon.... :) > > Okay, three-four, dissexted into eigth notes, looks like this: > > STRONG weak STRONG weak STRONG weak > > with the second and third STRONG not being quite as STRONG as the first > STRONG ;) > > so, maybe more like > > STRONG weak Strong weak Strong weak > And six-eight looks like: > > STRONG weak weak Strong weak weak
What's the purpose of declaring beats as STRONG and weak, when there can be so many different 6/8 measures out there with different notes, rests, accents, dynamics, phrasing markings, .... ?
The only real purpose of declaring beats as being STRONG or weak is to help with counting -- but the counting scheme is totally left to the musician. If there are six eighth notes in a measure, it really doesn't matter if the musician thinks of it as two triplets or three duplets. Thus your whole STRONG and weak beat argument is really just your personal preference, and you really should stop trying to convince people that certain "beats" are "stronger" than others, because not only is beat strength defined by the individual, but where the beats take place is as well.
Wacky, who likes counting 10/8 as 5 sets up eighth note duplets with five equally strong beats. And ain't nobody gonna tell me that's wrong!
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:42:30 PDT From: "Don Compton" <soulmadness@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Falling Into...... Message-ID: <19970819134231.3257.qmail@hotmail.com>
Can anyone tell me a tracklisting for the new CD and more importantly, what the bonus tracks on the Jap version of the CD are going to be. Also, how the hell are they going to cram 78 minutes of material on FIF and then have 2 bonus tracks on the Jap version (unless it will be another CD).
Also, does anyone know what the bonus track will be on the new Savatage disc?
Both of them are already ordered so now I'm curious.
Don
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:29:19 -0700 From: vaughn_b@chipola.cc.fl.us To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ACOS Project Update (almost there) Message-ID: <01IMMJCO8976000154@WIZARD.FIRN.EDU>
Well I almost made the Monday deadline. Here is the current status:
I have finished all the guitar parts except the last halves of Innocence and Carpe Diem. Should be able to finish those over the next few days. I have had no time to work on the bass part, but I don't think I'm behind schedule on it.
The initial version will be for 7-string, followed by _2_ versions for 6 strings -- alternate tuning and octave switching. Also, it looks as if the quality tab version will be a reality, but only for 6 strings. It is much harder to do a 7 string (how many TAB books have you ever seen with 7 string? not too many ... Vai ... Awake ... I can't think of anymore). So all of you 7-stringers will have to settle for the ASCII version. Sorry.
Also, I can't think of future projects too much right now; got too much on my hands with ACOS (was I crazy to big the biggest song they had first?!). But how about projects such as: Bombay Vindaloo, or some selections off of WDADU, or the video Live at Tokyo. Let me know if there is anything you would like to see a project done on. The next one _should_ be a whole lot easier than this one!
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:18:39 +0200 From: Erik Gorissen <egorissen@online-club.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?US-Arena_may_suck,_UK-Arena_don=B4t!?= Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970819211839.007b1a00@online-club.de>
>I'm not going to waste a lot of space on the next two opening acts, >because they were both horrendous. The second band - Arena - was bad, and >their stage show consisted of the frontman changing into different >costumes (inmate, blind man, alien, etc...) between songs, kicking a full >glass of god knows what into the audience, and using a pair of handcuffs >like nunchaku until the chain snapped and one half flew into the crowd. >One highlight was when George managed to smack the singer in the head with >a mic stand. :)
First of all, thanx a lot for all those Fates rewievs - go on with them, I really can=B4t get enough of them!!!!=20 It=B4s sad that Fates had all those problems with their openers. On their European tour they had Omen opening for them, that was much better.
Concerning the opener Arena, probably not all of you know that there is an British band using this name, and believe me, they are AWESOME and have nothing at all to do with the band two of you mentioned in their Fates reviews. The British Arena play progressive rock at its best, featuring Marillion's former drummer Mick Pointer, IQ=B4s John Jowitt on bass and Shadowland=B4s Clive Nolan at the keys, just to mention the three most famou= s members (in Europe at least they are kind of heroes within the progressive rock szene). Arena are well known in Europe, they=B4ve got two terrific CDs and an EP, and their shows absolutely kick ass!!! So if any of you should happen to find an Arena CD in some shop, don=B4t puke onto it right away - make sure it=B4s the British Arena and not the American one and BUY it!
Regards, Erik ------------- "Last night as I lay in bed looking at the stars I thought "Where the hell is the ceiling?" - Chris Unger
"I went to a job interview the other day, the guy asked me if I had any questions, I said yes, just one, if you're in a car travelling at the speed of light and you turn your headlights on, does anything happen?" - Steven Wright
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:42:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Fates Review - Cleveland, OH - 8/15/97 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970819153431.3334A-100000@unix18.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Pat Griffin wrote: > The third band - R.A.M.M (and I'm afraid to ask what that stands for) -
According to the free tape they were giving out at the door, Real Assholes Making Music. To pass the time during the awful acts (Arena and RAMM, my girlfriend Jill and I tried to figure out what else it might stand for. Here's what we came up with:
Republicans against Mopey Moms Rat's Ass Might Move Rude Altarboys Making Money Righteous Angel Makeout Machine Retarded Animalistic Matchmaking Monk Ritual Autoerotic Mass Murderers Roughshod Anti-Government Motorbike Mechanics Russian Anarchist Meat Mongers Relentless Advocates of Masochistic Masturbation
and, well, a whole bunch more...
> call themselves 'The Most Pissed Off Band In Cleveland.' That's > understandable; if I sucked that bad, I'd be pretty pissed off too. It's > a three person band with the bassist screaming insanely, and the guitarist > growling in a demonic voice to heavy, toneless music. For anyone at the > show, when the bassist was screaming 'Do you believe' repeatedly, I'm the > guy that screamed out "I believe you SUCK!" from the middle of the crowd. > :) Yep, they sucked, but I thought they were kind of funny. Especially when they sang the "Don't laugh at me!" song.
-maximilian
Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:23:38 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: unts unts unts Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970819192338.00660558@mail.telepac.pt>
1-Can anyone explain me all about syncopations? Can it be heard in any of Dream Theater's songs? 2-Is there any kinda homepage with (gulp) music theory?
3-Does anyone already know in what countries will DT play in this year's tour? Are they coming to Portugal?
DTDT: It would be cool if DT covered some Spice Girls songs live. Believe it or not, Metallica played some dance music live last year...Yep, it's true. Just when you thought they couldn't get worse... :)
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:27:38 +0200 From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates warnings CDs Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970819222738.0085c100@pronet.it>
Could anyone make me a Fates Warning cd ranking....
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:23:44 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Stuff Message-ID: <01BCACEF.AF4F43E0@ns.globalxs.nl>
Ed Smith wrote :
> MARILLION must be saved don't let their past or future go to waste!
Don't worry... The Freaks won't let that happen :-) _____
Carlos A. Alfaro wrote :
> I was browsing thru itchy's page and i checked out the B-days > and i noticed that JP turned 30 last month... and derek turns > 31 or 30 this august......
Get your ass on the Ytsejammer Birthday List, if you're not on it yet ! ;-) Just point your browser to Itchy's Homepage at:
http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/indexdt.htm
And submit your birthday at the bottom of the Ytsejam Birthday Calendar :-) Also check out the other stuff (parodies etc.). _____
Marcelo Vanzin wrote :
> After a month and a half waiting, the post office finally > decided to send me my CD Universe order. =)
If you order stuff from them anyway, please go there though :
http://www.cduniverse.com/cgi-bin/cdubin.exe/lobby/frm=lk_itchy/
Free cd's for Itchy :-))
I think Mike Bahr would agree with this
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:07:12 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DELPHI Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970819210712.0066387c@mail.telepac.pt>
Does anybody out there knows out to work with Delphi well enough? I am having a few problems with it...
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:38:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Anyone know the Japan Bonus Tracks? Message-ID: <970819183614_134071192@emout19.mail.aol.com>
Hey -
Just wondering if there has been any secuity leaks and somebody has any clues as to what the FII Japan bonus demo trax are gonna be?
- Matt T.
NP: Metallica "Ride the Lightning"
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:59:07 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Fates warnings CDs Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970819195722.24705A-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, David Di Tivoli wrote:
> Could anyone make me a Fates Warning cd ranking....
Well, I'd be interested in this too. If any kind 'jammer could make up such a list, I'm sure a lot of other 'jammers would be grateful. And you know, the more lists, the more comprehensive vision we have from the discs.
Thank you very much for any help, Roger...
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