YTSEJAM Digest 2886
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Guitar and Fates...
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@postoffice.syspac.com>
2) Re: acoustic songs...
by Fern Fryer! <fernandm@U.Arizona.EDU>
3) Re: Perspectament
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@postoffice.syspac.com>
4) Delphi, Tori, Marillion, Just Let Me Leave
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
5) Re: Two little things...
by MasatoX@aol.com
6) QR video
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2885
by Yiannis <ipm@soc.unl.ac.uk>
8) Re: prog songs for girls who don't know prog.
by Lisa Marie Peterson <jessie@cheerful.com>
9) Theory in writing...
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@mathworks.com>
10) think I'm gonna belistening to my radio this weekend
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
11) another question regarding the universe
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) A couple of things.. maybe someone can answer this..
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
13) FW Spectre Within
by MakTs <MakTs@compuserve.com>
14) Concrete Brazil info!
by "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <geoimage@opus.com.br>
15) Re: prog songs for girls who don't know prog.
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:47:46 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@postoffice.syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Guitar and Fates...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970820124742.00830a10@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 10:59 AM 8/20/97 -0700, Mike wrote:
>And skip Rocktron - for the money, they're OK, but Metallica actually
>uses TC Electronics processors. I'm sticking with my Quadraverb until I
>can afford a TC G-Force - it's the best there is.
I'm a proud owner of the Rocktron Chameleon, which I have found to be the
best solid state preamp out there, and I seriously like the Voodoo Valve.
However, that's not even talking about Rocktron's greatest preamp. I
tested this preamp, head-to-head with a Mesa/Boogie TriAxis for about 40
minutes one day, through the same equipment and I have to say I thought the
Rocktron kicked it's ass. That's a BIG statement coming from me. I love
Mesas. The preamp was the Rocktron Pirahna (You're right Ed, it rules!).
More tight gain than a barrel of 'deth :)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:20:44 -0700 (MST)
From: Fern Fryer! <fernandm@U.Arizona.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: acoustic songs...
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.970820132008.34554A-100000@f1n7.U.Arizona.EDU>
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Brandon Elhai wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Rogerio Brito wrote:
>
> > 1 - Tears (Rush's version);
> > 2 - The Silent Man;
> > 3 - A Pleasant Shade of Gray -- Pt. X;
> > 4 - Tears (DT's version);
> > 5 - Wait for Sleep (the acoustic performance);
> > 6 - My Kantele (Amorphis);
> > 7 - Mama Said (I don't know if I'll put this);
> > 8 - Nothing Else Matters (elevator version);
> > 9 - Opeth's Requiem (very nice song).
>
> Here are some more suggestions:
>
> Rush - different strings, presto
> Alice in Chains - no excuses, nutshell, got me wrong, heaven beside you
> Queensryche - silent lucidity, hero (pretty much acoustic), bridge, out of
> mind, one more time, I will remember, the killing words
> (unplugged), the lady wore black (unplugged...killer
> version!)
> Fates Warning - island in the stream, chasing time, the road goes on
> forever
> Steve Morse Band - a delicate balance, foreign exchange, slice of time,
> modoc, the whistle
> Extreme - more than words
> King's X - the difference, legal kill, life going by
> Stratovarius - forever (beautiful song)
>
>
> Hope that helps..
>
>
>
> Brandon
>
Also, Alice in Chain's "Down in a Hole"
Fernando Ma
Materials science & engineering
University of Arizona
http://bigdog.engr.arizona.edu/~ma
"I like to work without contracts whenever possible. Contracts
mean 'I don't trust you.'" - Victor Wooten
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:37:52 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@postoffice.syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Perspectament
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970820123748.0081ab10@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 02:39 AM 8/20/97 -0700, Bafu Vai wrote:
>Ever find yourself pummeling a random stranger in a parking lot because he
>touched your car? You're cracking down on his ribs with your black metal
>flashlight, and he's screaming at you to stop, and there's blood all over
>the place, and you can't for the life of you figure out why some people
>can't keep their hands to themselves?
No, I'm not a Washington Redskin.
_Vince_
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:02:12 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Delphi, Tori, Marillion, Just Let Me Leave
Message-ID: <01BCADB8.5A80A7E0@Homm.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Pedro Filipe asked :
> Does anybody out there knows out to work with Delphi well enough?
> I am having a few problems with it...
Better try your luck in the Delphi newsgroups alt.lang.delphi or
alt.comp.lang.borland-delphi... :-) I'm looking for an easy to
learn, yet powerful, windows programming language. I've heard a
lot of good things about Delphi... Any suggestions ?
_____
Shai Yallin asked :
> what's Tori Amos got to do with progressive?
Not much, but it's a fact that a lot of Jammers and prog-lovers
in general really love her music. I checked out her music 'cuz
I kept reading about her on the Ytsejam and Freaks mailinglist.
(That's the Marillion mailinglist).
> though she was an MTV singer or something like that....
You say that like it's a bad thing ! ;-)
> I'm not even sure she's a SHE, but it seems like a girl's name
I've got over 600 pictures of her on my harddisk (oops, almost
typed harddick) that prove she's a she :-)
> and I know I've heard that name once before I even heard about DT...
If God was a woman, her name would be Tori :-)
I think Mike Bahr would agree with this
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Korg Eksthrey wrote :
> Marillion IS a laid back band. They are somewhat progressive,
> depending on your point of view.
Uh... They were considered to be *the* prog band of the 80's, dude.
IMO, their album Brave ('94), is one of the most *brilliant* albums
*ever*. It's one huge 71:08 minute long epic concept album. Some of
our fellow Jammers think it's "boring", but they probably put it on
intro-scan and gave up on it, right after.
Dream Theater usually "kicks ass" and grabs you by the throat, from
the get go... Marillion is more subtle... Their music is all about
moods and building up to brilliant instrumental breaks, rather than
just trying to "rock yer nadz". (hope the Ytse-slang helped a bit).
> They remind me of what people describe old Genesis to be, even
> though I've never heard old Genesis. (shrug).
Marillion's first albums were often compared to Genesis' early albums.
Brilliant stuff, btw... Both early Marillion as well as early Genesis.
That's when Peter Gabriel sang for them, and Phil Collins did what he
did best... play drums.
> I'd say that if you want to buy an album, dig around through the UK
> import catalog and order Misplaced Childhood. It's probably the best
> album to start with, next being Clutching at Straws.
Misplaced Childhood is a classic. That one's also a concept album.
I think Clutching is even better, though. These are both with Fish
on vocals, btw. He left Marillion in '88 (and is touring in the US
right now). Steve Hogarth (their current singer) is very different
from Fish, though.
Maybe you should first pick up "The Best of Both Worlds", a double
album with Fish-era songs on disc 1, and Hogarth-era songs on disc
2. Let me know which songs you like best, and I'll point ya in the
right direction :-) Btw, I was one of the people who made up the
name for that cd ! Got a nifty print of the covers, signed by all
the bandmembers, Fish, the artists and the manager as a prize :-)
> You'll grow to love the rest quickly. :)
If you give their albums half a chance, you'll probably love them.
Listen to it LOUD with the lights OFF, btw. It helps.
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Marcelo Vanzin wrote :
>> If you order stuff from them anyway, please go there through :
>> http://www.cduniverse.com/cgi-bin/cdubin.exe/lobby/frm=lk_itchy/
>> Free cd's for Itchy :-))
>
> Hehehe, I've decided to help you and updated my bookmark. =)
Thanks buddy !
Here are my URLs for CDNow and Music Boulevard,
if you'd rather get yer cds from them :-)
http://cdnow.com/from=sr-223652
http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/14100_0_/mb2/live/main/main.txt
:-)
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Stig Bragstad wrote :
> Hey I've got no idea about how to leave this list, cause I lost the
> mail that told me how after some serious damage to my systeme caused
> by an installation of IE4.0!
/me makes a mental note to write a parody called "Just Let Me Leave"
as soon as "Falling Into Infinity" is released.
Mark
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:29:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: MasatoX@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Two little things...
Message-ID: <970820162709_823446440@emout12.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-08-20 06:31:36 EDT, rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br writes:
<< 1 - I'd really love if you indicated me a good music theory book.
I must say that I know really *NOTHING* about music. Let me repeat this:
nothing. I feel a complete ignorant here in Dream Theater. The only thing
that I know related to music is to put one CD on my CD player and press
the Play button... :-( I really feel bad when you people (Chris Oates,
Mark Peters etc) start to talk about music. Maybe I should learn something
very fast... If you can indicate some "Music for Dummies", I'd be greatly
indebted (and I also think that other 'jammers would like). >>
Hey, I've been on this list for awhile, but this is my first post. :) So
anyway, here goes. I am a music major studying theory, and I can suggest
"Music: in Theory and Practice" as a good beginner's theory book. It isn't
commonly found in any bookstore, but your local library MAY have it. Some
schools use it as a theory textbook. Anyway, the authors are Bruce Benward
and Gary White, and they do a thorough job in explaining first the basics and
fundamentals of music, as far as music literature and notation, and then they
cover the more advance topics such as chords, scales, modes, tonality,
harmony, intervals, texture, etc. If you have an analytical mind, you
shouldn't have too much trouble understanding theory. Good Luck!!
-Masato X-
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:50:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: QR video
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970820164536.15187I-100000@bdmserver>
Al B wrote:
> Does anyone know where or if this set is sold anymore????? I let
> a friend of mine borrow the video (which I bought for $5 at a
> flea market) and he moved or lost it or something......
Why would you want a video anyway? You've told me and the jam that you do
not own a VCR?
Anyway, I think LiveCrime isn't available anymore. Proably the only way
to get it is a dub or from a used cd/video store.
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:00:31 +0000 (GMT)
From: Yiannis <ipm@soc.unl.ac.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2885
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970820204715.139A-100000@p138-42.unl.ac.uk>
> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:37:40 +0200
> From: Ravens <jarle@oslo.mail.telia.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Songs for GF's :))
> Message-ID: <33AAB1D4.A637961B@oslo.mail.telia.com>
>
>
> > I can't think of anymore right now, as I am a work and don't have mt
> > CD's
> > in front of me.
>
> I'll prolly regret typing this, but ... have you considered the
> following ?
>
> Blind Guardian - A Past & Future Secret (My song of the end)
> Rage - In a Nameless Time (Lingua Mortis version)
ok ok...A Past & Future Secret is fine BUUUUUTTT ..:)...i'd let em listen
to either The Bards Tale (song makes me weep each time) or to Mordred's
Song...ok so it;s not THAT acoustic but my ex still loves it each time she
listens to it...and her cookie is Jungle/Drum'n'nBass (puke) but then
again she loves Stratovarius' "Babylon" <grin>..
Rage....hmmm....ermmm.....i'd go for the Instrumental-Orchestral
version...muuuch nicer...More songs.....hmmmm.....<rummages through CD's>
Skyclad:"Moongleam And Meadosweet" from "Wayward Sons Of Mother Earth"
Annihilator: "Crystal Ann" from "Alice In Hell"
Y.J.Malmsteen: "Crying" from Trilogy
I;m so pissed off.....I dont recall anyone mentioning Crimson Glory!!!DOH!
Not tottaly acoustic byt everyone who's listened to it(and I mean
EVERYONE) loved them
]From their "Transcendance" album
-Lonely
-Painted Skies(lovely lyrics)
and fom "Crimson Glory"
-Lost Reflection(damn moody song)
BTW...I "hear" C.G. are preparing for a new album with the original
line-up (hoorey!) minus Midnight (DOH!) with someone named Wade (eeh?)
replacing him.....cant remember the title offhand,too bored to start
X-Win to find out...anyone got more info on that?
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:23:04 -0700
From: Lisa Marie Peterson <jessie@cheerful.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: prog songs for girls who don't know prog.
Message-ID: <33FB6038.3499@cheerful.com>
Jonathan said:
>Anyway, out of the CDs I own, here's what I would introduce to a girl who
>I wanted to impress prog music on her:
<snip>
>Any others? Let's hear the suggestions!
Spock's Beard!!! From "The Light"... Go the Way You Go. From "Beware
of Darkness"... The Doorway, Walking on the Wind, and Waste Away.
Definitely. :o>
~Lisa Marie
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:20:59 -0400
From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@mathworks.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Theory in writing...
Message-ID: <33FB5FBB.1162@mathworks.com>
Mike Blevins asked:
>
> On theory - it's interesting to see the discussions on the 'jam, and I
> have a question for the other musos here - do you guys really think
> about this stuff when you're writing?
I sure don't. I tried to point out that talking about strong and weak
beats for abitrary measures/time signatures is kind of silly and that
the music should speak for itself, but someone keeps insisting that
there is only one 6/8 measure or something.... ;)
> I know I don't - if we hit a rough
> timing spot, we'll figure out the counts and Strong beats to work out
> transitions and such, but we write the melodies first, then rely on
> theory if we can't work it on feel. How do the rest of you work?
I usually work from around 7:30 to 4... Hah! Seriously, I usually think
of a groove or melody or something when I'm away from instruments, like
when walking down the street or something. Then when I get home I'll
program it into the sequencer and jam on it, revise it, develop it,
etc..
The only people who actually think/post about stuff like that ("correct"
placement of strong and weak beats, sequencers' tempos being inaccurate,
etc.) either don't write much or are just plain nuts. ;)
Wacky
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:12:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: think I'm gonna belistening to my radio this weekend
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970820180832.6624B-100000@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu>
one station doing an eighties weekend, the ad named off Dokken,
Whitesnake, Def Leppard REM, etc.......
other station doing a.....get this......progressive rock weekend!
dunno what that really means, I'll report back on Monday.....but the plug
is the ELP show coming to detroit in september, they're giving away
tickets, and the grand prize of the giveaway is a complete ELP cd
catalogue, plus the supernatural fairy tales prog box set from rhino
records.......not bad, i say, just hope their idea of prog coincides
somewhat with my own :)
happy listening!
partha
btw, for locals (hi irene, jeff, john, etc) the 80s weekend is on 101.1
wrif, and the prog weekend is 94.7 wcsx
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:15:10 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: another question regarding the universe
Message-ID: <33FB6C6D.7B1E6DC7@caribe.net>
Um..for you guys who own ibanez universes or rg's 7 string...
how do you buy strings for it???? ...like..I need to know all of
this..im planning on buying a Universe
--"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ):1254229
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:23:29 -0400 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A couple of things.. maybe someone can answer this.. Message-ID: <33FB6E60.181B0DCB@nh.ultranet.com>
Hey all, I called my local radio station the other night and requested "You not Me" and was unsuccesful. Does anyone know when "You Not Me" single is being released to radio stations? I would like to know, the day it is out, I will be ringing the stations off the hook trying to get it played. Next dilema, I am moving in 6 days. I will need to unsubscribe and re-subscibe to the jam, is there any chance that I won't get back on if I unsubscribe, I'm nervous... We've got a lot of people on here now, or at least a lot of people writing.. I get at least 4 digests a day now... Can someone shed some light on this? Maybe you Skadz? Let me know via private e mail... No need for anymore senseless posts regarding me... : ) I'm pretty senseless anyways. I'm going back into my dungeon now.. Lata, J
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:35:57 -0400 From: MakTs <MakTs@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FW Spectre Within Message-ID: <199708201836_MC2-1DB6-CC01@compuserve.com>
>>Is Spectre within good?
YES! For me it's simply the best FW CD ever although it's production coul= d be better (was a question of money, I guess). John Arch was (Is he still?=
Where? With whom?) a great singer with an absolutely unique (some might call it strange) style (Don't know any other singer with a comparable style. Anyone?) and a huge ... umm, what's it called in English? A huge range or tones (???) which makes it interesting too. His melody lines are=
sometimes so ... unusual and varied you first have to get accustomed to. = At first listen you often think he doesn't exactly hit the right tone but that's just him and I love it this way. It never gets boring. Once you kn= ow him, his style and the songs you simply get addicted. The songs are great: Quite heavy, progressive and somewhat dark (but stil= l very melodic in its darkness).
For me *these* were and still are the *real* Fates Warning. I like the newer FW stuff too but for me it's a different band with a completely different sound now. Gone is John Arch's fantastic voice and gone is that=
so typical (sometimes rhythm, sometimes leading) guitar sound which was somehow dark and light at the same time (don't ask me how that worked!). Unfortunately...!
Ok, let the flaming begin ... ;)
Cheers! Mak
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 04:16:12 -0300 From: "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <geoimage@opus.com.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Concrete Brazil info! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970819041612.0068aafc@mail.opus.com.br>
Marcelo wrote: > No for some brief DTC, does anyone in Brazil have CONCRETE info about >DT shows here? I've only heard rumors up to now, I'd like to know what >is the fuss all about!
Actually, yes! And they're right here, in my hands :) ! I just bought the tickets for the September 11 and 12 DT concerts that will occur in Santo Andre (Aramacan). The opening band will be the shred trio Dr. Sin.
Also, there will be Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci clinics in Sao Paulo, no dates confirmed. The tickets are being sold in the store called "Aqualung", inside the "Galeria" mall (30 bucks, 27 dollars). They accept student cards, which cut the price by half.
Unfortunately, there are no dates yet for Sao Paulo or Rio (I know there are a lot of fans there), but what can I say? They're coming! (I knew you were right MP!)
Life is good.
[]'s, Cassiano
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: prog songs for girls who don't know prog. Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970820194719.253f9ee6@access.mountain.net>
]From one Jonathan to another . . .
>Assuming she's not much of a headbanger >and doesn't know about prog at all.... > >Surrounded and Wait for Sleep, off of IAW >Lifting Shadows off a dream, the Silent Man, from Awake
I'd suggest "Space Dye Vest", too, at least the intro. I was actually playing that in the car one day with a friend of mine who said in the beginning, "this is pretty. Is someone going to come screw it up?" No, she's not a prog fan. :)
>Almost anything from Enchant's "A Blueprint of the World", except >Acquintance. You'd be an asshole if you played her "Acquintance"!!
You'd be an asshole if you played anyone "Acquiantance"! How that tune got on that otherwise fine album I'll never know.
>Any others? Let's hear the suggestions!
Try "21st Century Schizoid Man" from the first King Crimson album. If she doesn't run away, you may be able to make some headway. Musically, that is. :)
'Jam on
Jonathan Byrne, 2L; WVU Collge of Law rael@access.mountain.net Album Reviews, Race Results, Commentary, and more at: http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm ----------------------------------------------------------- "Nobody knows, and so few can see There's only beauty and caring and truth Beyond darkness." -Steve Hogarth, "Estonia", Marillion
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