YTSEJAM Digest 2888
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Dream Theater: A Commercial Success?
by James Mohr <jpmohr@primenet.com>
2) Songs for GF's/Ibanez Universe
by The Silent Screamer <tritt@eden.rutgers.edu>
3) Tool Videos
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
4) Unclassified: Re: another question regarding the universe
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2887
by Taylors <randallt@gte.net>
6) New Dream Theater
by "Graham Boyle" <gazpacho@spin.net.au>
7) Angra and Awake
by Brian K Reeves <ytsejammer@ntr.net>
8) RE: New Dream Theater
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
9) Empire Ent
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
10) IBANEZ
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
11) Fates Warning Inside out
by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
12) ICQ HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
13) Omer: your attantion please!!!
by hagai sadot <"winkle@internet-zahav.net"@parker.internet-zahav.net>
14) Re: IBANEZ
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
15) Acoustic songs for girlies
by "NGA" <nga@software-ag.de>
16) This and that...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
17) Ibanez Universe
by "Christian Albert Schulze a.k.a. KillMary" <caschulze@mindspring.com>
18) DT theme
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
19) Confessions of a Fates Holdout...
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:02:17 -0500
From: James Mohr <jpmohr@primenet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dream Theater: A Commercial Success?
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970820230217.0069eae0@pop.primenet.com>
>I remember seeing a special on Dateline NBC or something a few months back
>going through the motions of the record industry. It was some pretty sad
>and pretty sick shit. Anyway, they covered the topic of money in
>comparison quite briefly, but they said that each band member receives
>$1.00 per every album sold. I don't know, it sounds kinda BS to me, but
>that's 6.25% on average. (Using $16 as an average price for a CD.)
I saw this too, but I remember them saying that the average artist/band
receives $1.25 for every disc sold. That would be a quarter for each DT
member if they are the "average" band.
About $8 per disc goes straight to the record label to pay for the various
costs of producing an album (and to put a nice wad in the executives
pockets, I might add). Stores buy new release, full-length CDs for around
$9-$10 each.
Again, I heard this on Dateline or some derivative show. I have no idea how
accurate this is.
--James
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 0:13:56 EDT
From: The Silent Screamer <tritt@eden.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Songs for GF's/Ibanez Universe
Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.872136836.tritt@er7.rutgers.edu>
Let me start off with a few comments (not flames). Tears by Rush, Wait For
Sleep by none other than the masters themselves... what do these two and some
of the other songs on the list have in common? They are NOT prog songs, but
they are played by prog. bands. Hmm... SDV may be prog. but then again that
depends on one's definition of prog. Whatever list you submit, hope it works
for you. Speaking of a song for girlfriends, what about Voices? My fav. from
DT and it has its share of prog.
Next topic...
To the guy who saw the Ibanez Universe for $1500. Don't get it!!! Get the
Ibanez RG 7-String. I saw it in a store by me for $899 AND it looks nicer
too.
Fuck counting days, I know we all can't wait till 9/23,
Your hombre,
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Dori Tritt "Like a scream but sort of silent"
tritt@eden.rutgers.edu - John Petrucci
screamer@dreamt.org XXXXXXX@XXX.XXX
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 00:25:38 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tool Videos
Message-ID: <33fbd1524772007@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:31:01 -0500
> From: James Mohr <jpmohr@primenet.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Re: NDTC
> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970820223101.00699218@pop.primenet.com>
>
>
> >Ernie Wrote:
> >>Hmm, well, correct me if I'm wrong, but both Pantera and Tool have achieved
> >>a lot of success w/o much MTV support.
> >
> >I'm not trying to point out a right or wrong, I just seem to remember
> >seeing the video "Sober" every night way back when I used to watch MTV.
> >(for those who dont know, Sober is a song by Tool) It was heavily promoted
> >for a while at night, but I dont recall them playing anything else by Tool
>
> The video for Aenima is played all the time on MTV in the evening hours.
> All Tool videos have had modest airplay on MTV.
This is true (I taped it last night, along with 'Deth's "Anarchy in the UK" -
can't believe that was played!). I also saw "Prison Sex" quite a bit a few years
ago.
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:30:19 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Unclassified: Re: another question regarding the universe
Message-ID: <4A2564FA.000BC6C1.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
calfaro@caribe.net on 21/08/97 08:31:21 AM
Please respond to ytsejam@ax.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
cc: (bcc: Graham Boyle/NRC/HMAS WATSON/NAVY/AU)
Subject: another question regarding the universe
Um..for you guys who own ibanez universes or rg's 7 string...
how do you buy strings for it???? ...like..I need to know all of
this..im planning on buying a Universe
Is this a trick question or a wind up ?
Where do you reckon ? How about a music store, you walk in ask for a set of
strings
and over the money, get your change, walk out of the store,
then when you get home you can put the new strings on you guitar.
Really it's that simple my friend.
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:38:23 -0700
From: Taylors <randallt@gte.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2887
Message-ID: <33FBF06E.4C3A9282@gte.net>
> How was it you described it? "stupid keyboard crap rock?" or
> something
> like that? Can't take the piss I substituted for you milk and now
> your
> Cheerios taste funny. All of the astro-chemical thermofizz travelled
> to
> your brain and made you think angry thoughts. Jethro doesn't like
> Life
> cereal so Mikey beat the shit out of him and rabies are running
> rampant on
> the back of baby frogs through southern Nepal. Seldom have I seen
> anything
> as lovely as a goatblower. Holding those goats over an open flame and
>
> blowing them into any shape they desire. Would you like to buy a
> pacifier
> cuz I think my tooth broke off in my furnace and the chimney ran out
> of
> carbon based substance that gave me fuel to burn. So now I can't blow
>
> goats. What a bummer.
> </rant>
>
hehe.. You're pretty dang good... All the cynnicism of the world has
reached a new level and is now proudly directed into words by you... I
like the "Can't take the piss I substituted for you milk and now your
Cheerios taste funny. " Not bad..:> But.. um... it is kinda hateful.
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:15:26 +1000
From: "Graham Boyle" <gazpacho@spin.net.au>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Dream Theater
Message-ID: <199708210844.SAA17154@spin.net.au>
YES !!!
I finally got to hear YNM on CD !
I visited my local record store, they had an Elektra promo CD with YNM on
it, my mate in the shop put the disc on for me and cranked it up.
What can I say, great tune, it rocks, with a bit of airplay could be the
song that breaks DT in the US.
Great tune, but 'Lines In The Sand' is the song that I can't get out of my
head at the moment, 'Peruvian Skies' is great too.
When I asked about the Japanese release of 'FII', my mate said it has been
'delayed' and that they will get the US import first on September 23rd.
gRaham.
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Graham Boyle
Bexley, New South Wales
Australia
Tape Trades: gazpacho@spin.net.au
AKA 'Z_I_T_O' On Freaks & Ytsejam IRC
'Listening to the city
Whispering it's violence
I set out watching from above
The 90's bring new questions
New solutions to be found
I fell in love to be let down'
'Learning To Live'
DREAM THEATER 1992
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 02:00:44 -0700
From: Brian K Reeves <ytsejammer@ntr.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Angra and Awake
Message-ID: <33FC03BC.D4EF8244@ntr.net>
Jeez
I'm lookin around at CDNow and I notice that Crematory has
a new record coming out called....
Awake
C'mon, get real guys
It's prolly not even PROG!!
Prolly just some Heavy Metal Shit
BTW, I promise I won't ask again if someone
can repost the E-Mail address to Empire (something
or other). They had a lot of Angra stuff pretty cheap.
Empire Sound? Empire Records? Empire Enterprises?
Duh, Can't remember
Later
Ytsejammer
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 02:02:29 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: New Dream Theater
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970821090229Z-2902@ms.Kallback.com>
>When I asked about the Japanese release of 'FII', my mate said it has been
>'delayed' and that they will get the US import first on September 23rd.
WTF!?!?!
I just paid out the ass to get it early!!
Oh, well. Still get the bonus tracks, I guess.
>
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 02:10:08 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Empire Ent
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970821091008Z-2911@ms.Kallback.com>
>BTW, I promise I won't ask again if someone
>can repost the E-Mail address to Empire (something
>or other). They had a lot of Angra stuff pretty cheap.
>Empire Sound? Empire Records? Empire Enterprises?
EmpireEnt@aol.com :)
>
>
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:29:15 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IBANEZ
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970821082915.0066a7bc@mail.telepac.pt>
>Um..for you guys who own ibanez universes or rg's 7 string...
>how do you buy strings for it???? ...like..I need to know all of
>this..im planning on buying a Universe
I don't know how is this Universe your talking (if it's the
one I think it's all black, including pickups), but I heard
Ibanez was working on a new 7string guitar. If I were you,
I would wait to check it out.
Pedro (now wondering how to pronounce IBANEZ)
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:19:50 +0200
From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates Warning Inside out
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970821121950.0085d9a0@pronet.it>
I heard now that album...but my impression is that IO is the less
progressive album of FW......
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:25:04 +0200
From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ICQ HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970821122504.00865a30@pronet.it>
Hey people let's download ICQ..and we can talk in first person....by
chat!!!!!!!!!!my UIN is 2549487
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| David Di Tivoli |
| "DREAM" Undernet:#italia |
/) E-mail:dream@pronet.it (\
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:00:58 -0700
From: hagai sadot <"winkle@internet-zahav.net"@parker.internet-zahav.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Omer: your attantion please!!!
Message-ID: <199708211057.NAA22230@parker.inter.net.il>
First: sorry everyone for posting private stuff on the jam, it's just that I'm
having problems e-mailing this guy privatly. You all should probably move on now....
Omer!
Remember when I first tried e-mailing you and it bounced back to me? well this shit's
happening again, and I already tried several time answering your last e-mail.
Anyway: try giving netvision a hard time until the problem is solved. Once so, do please
e-mail me!! :-)
GoodLuck, Hagai
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:01:02 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: IBANEZ
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970821040100.007aa7b0@postoffice.syspac.com>
Pedro wrote:
>>Um..for you guys who own ibanez universes or rg's 7 string...
>>how do you buy strings for it???? ...like..I need to know all of
>>this..im planning on buying a Universe
>
> I don't know how is this Universe your talking (if it's the
> one I think it's all black, including pickups), but I heard
> Ibanez was working on a new 7string guitar. If I were you,
> I would wait to check it out.
They're already out. Sounds decent, but the only feature I really like is
that Lo-Pro trem :) Other than that and the seventh string, it's just a
standard guitar. Nothin' fancy. Seymour Duncan needs to make 7-string
trembuckers :)
>Pedro (now wondering how to pronounce IBANEZ)
EYE - BUN - EZ(like PEZ)
Take Care and rock hard,
~Vince LuPone
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:17:10 +0200
From: "NGA" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "The Ytsejam Crowd" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: <nga@software-ag.de>
Subject: Acoustic songs for girlies
Message-ID: <9708211318.AA19733@server3.software-ag.de>
Hi all
Here's my contribution to the how-can-I-turn-my-girlfriend-onto-
metal-and-get-into-her-panties thread: try the cover version of the
Marillion song 'Kayleigh' on the Vanden Plas album Accult.
If anybody is interested, I've done two compilations for my car
stereo that I've called 'Metal Guitar Goes Acoustic' and 'Metal Piano'
that are sort of along the lines of this thread. If anybody wants the
track listings, let me know.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Vauxdvihl - To Dimension Logic
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:28:39 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: This and that...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970821132839Z-487@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Itchy quoth and wrote...
> Pedro Filipe asked :
>
>> Does anybody out there knows out to work with Delphi well enough?
>> I am having a few problems with it...
>
> Better try your luck in the Delphi newsgroups alt.lang.delphi or
> alt.comp.lang.borland-delphi... :-) I'm looking for an easy to
> learn, yet powerful, windows programming language. I've heard a
> lot of good things about Delphi... Any suggestions ?
I must have missed Pedro's question. Either of you can email me
privately with questions, and I'll answer them - I'm a Delphi
Client/Server applications programmer. Ask away... :)
>
> Korg Eksthrey wrote :
>
>> Marillion IS a laid back band. They are somewhat progressive,
>> depending on your point of view.
>
>> You'll grow to love the rest quickly. :)
>
> If you give their albums half a chance, you'll probably love them.
> Listen to it LOUD with the lights OFF, btw. It helps.
I swear, I play Marillion for people and they say - "well, this is kind
of mellow" - and then I crank it up and the transformation is AMAZING.
If you listen to M quietly, you lose some of the dynamics, and a lot of
the power, of the songs. I _knew_ I wasn't the only one who felt this
way... :)
I think Mike Bahr would agree....
Yiannis wrote...
>I;m so pissed off.....I dont recall anyone mentioning Crimson Glory!!!DOH!
>
>Not tottaly acoustic byt everyone who's listened to it(and I mean
>EVERYONE) loved them
>
>]From their "Transcendance" album
>
>-Lonely
>-Painted Skies(lovely lyrics)
>
>and fom "Crimson Glory"
>
>-Lost Reflection(damn moody song)
You forgot "Burning Bridges" - this song practically reduces me to tears
each time I hear it. CG's lack of recognition while they were around was
criminal. _Transcendance_ is one of the best albums I've ever owned.
Period.
>
The Wacky man said...
>The only people who actually think/post about stuff like that ("correct"
>placement of strong and weak beats, sequencers' tempos being inaccurate,
>etc.) either don't write much or are just plain nuts. ;)
I'll go with the latter!
>
Mike...
>
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:29:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Christian Albert Schulze a.k.a. KillMary" <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ibanez Universe
Message-ID: <199708211429.KAA18720@brickbat9.mindspring.com>
Dori Tritt said:
> To the guy who saw the Ibanez Universe for $1500. Don't get it!!! Get the
>Ibanez RG 7-String. I saw it in a store by me for $899 AND it looks nicer
>too.
IMO the Universe has a better sound. And IMO also, a better sound is where
it's at :-)
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:43:22 -0600
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT theme
Message-ID: <199708211443.IAA02126@mailmx.micron.net>
http://www.crypted.com has a very neat themes page that has a ton of music
themes. Just click on the themes r us icon on the first page, then the
themes button over on the left. there are tons of cool themes, among them:
'tallica, DT, and... SPICE GIRLS!!!!! the wall paper is a picture of the
whole band in all their spiceyness. The DT theme is very very cool and
features the Awake cover as the wall paper. I'm even using the color
scheme, which i usually don't do, but the colors even have a DT vibe.
everyone needs to check this out. They also have movie themes and stuff if
anyone wants batman or 101 dalmations on your screen all the time.
woot
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:55:01 -0500
From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Confessions of a Fates Holdout...
Message-ID: <199708211454.HAA26897@odin.ax.com>
Over the years, I've never really had anything good to say about Fates on
this list. I never understood all the praise heaped on them. The only
Fates I ever bought was Parallels, which most Fates fans consider a pretty
good album. I never, through countless attempts, got above a STRONG
dislike for it. Sold it. Bye bye.
If anything, the last week or so has taught me to believe in redemption.
APSoG is outstanding. Like all of you didn't already know. I am no fan of
Ray's drawn out phrasing, but here it's not as obvious and when he does
meander through the lyrics, it seems to fit the music a lot better then I
remember. I always thought people were screwed when they said how great
Mark Zonder is, but like I'm gonna argue after listening to this? No way.
Guitars were great - I used to think they had two guitarists because they
needed them. Yeah, right. And the lyrics, which I HATED on Parallels,
were never less than good here and sometimes they were great, which most
albums can't even come close to. Kevin was not as much of a force as I
expected him to be, but hey, it's not his band, and his playing was still
great. Oh, and Joey Vera and that fretless bass. He actually had the good
taste not to overdo it, something that most fretless players can't seem to
grasp. O.K. I'm done.
If you're a bonehead like me and thought you were better off without this
album, think again.
Mike Patrick
Indianapolis, IN
mepatrick@iquest.net
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