YTSEJAM Digest 2900
Today's Topics:
1) new interpretation of Metropolis
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
2) Voices & Metropolis mailing list
by Charlie Patel <patelc@ro.com>
3) Re: Voices & Metropolis mailing list
by eckie@asu.edu
4) moding
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
5) Testing, testing....
by Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com>
6) Theory or Astro-Theory?
by Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
7) FII
by Mathew and Melissa <palze@tcccom.net>
8) Neil Pearts' Tragedy
by wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack)
9) NDTC -- a lesson in netiquette.
by spazzoid@MIT.EDU
10) -
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
11) fuck
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
12) Warning - could be long
by "NGA" <nga@software-ag.de>
13)
by "Razvan Tudose" <dreamingh@hotmail.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2899
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digests of late
by kimpykins@juno.com (Jaime Kimpton)
16) shadow gallery
by "flavio maia pimenta" <fmaia@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
17) Keyboard
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:43:48 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: new interpretation of Metropolis
Message-ID: <19970825044101.AAA14277@sni.pananet.com>
Well, I was watching Lois and Clark today (no idea why) and it suddenly hit
me. Metropolis is about Superman. well , duh! isn't it obvious.
"she carried a gift from her home"
"she" is Krypton ; the gift is Superman.
it all makes sense, actually.
(that was a joke, BTW)
on another note...'Drag the Water' by Pantera. it's about Aquaman. naw
j/k:)
but towards the end, is it just me, or is Phil shouting "UHURA! UHURA!"
hmmm, maybe Phil is a trekie?:)
lalalalalala,
Ernie
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 01:02:50 -0500
From: Charlie Patel <patelc@ro.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Voices & Metropolis mailing list
Message-ID: <01BCB0F2.9C8B99A0@ts3p2.ro.com>
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How do you subscribe to Voices & Metropolis mailing list?
What is the update on the release date on the new album?
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:34:23 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Voices & Metropolis mailing list
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970825003339.28206C-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Well, I'd have to rank that post up there with Gay Digest!
That was the most moving, deepest, heartfelt post I've read in a long time!
:P
(What the hell was that???)
~Eckie
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:42:12 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: moding
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970825004151.006a8208@cats.ucsc.edu>
That last post from Pedro concerning playing the E inversion of A harmonic
minor:
Funny you should mention that. I just satarted playing around with that a
bit yesterday and today. I don' know if there's an official name for it,
but I call it "Lord Bane-ian mode" since 90% of their stuff is in it. :)
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 02:15:00 -0600
From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Testing, testing....
Message-ID: <34013F03.F7BE4A1E@TransWestTaxi.com>
Just a test folx, now back to your regular programming:)
Pam
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 05:19:07 -0400
From: Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Theory or Astro-Theory?
Message-ID: <199708250919.FAA07080@darkstar.icdc.com>
>> 1- How do we know where the accents are in a certain
>> drum pattern?
<snip>
>actually, here's a better idea.... why don't you buy a damn theory book and
>quit pestering the list? if i wanted to read about this garbage i'd go
back to
>school.
Please don't mistake my tone for aggressive here, but why not talk theory?
Even if it is only basic stuff, there's always going to be people learning
from any response one of these questioning posts might get. Unless the
response is wrong, of course, but, uh... Anyway, one of the many things
that makes me stick with the 'Jam is that, since it is made up of many a
musician, I could ask a theory-type question and probably learn somethin',
or, better yet, read the answer to someone elses question, something I had
no idea I was ignorant in (preferably), and get the same achievation of
information as I could solo-questioning without 'embarassing myself' (I've
only had one yr of high school theory, and whatever I picked up in 10 yrs of
piano lessons, btw). While modes and such may get monotonous (sort of an
oxymoron, but this will be ignored) after awhile, there's no sense in
bottling up a font of knowledge just because a few people are tired of
reading what they already know about.
And, while I'm standing up for what I believe in for once, who else thinks
Pepsi Kona is a bad idea? Who's with me?! Yah, rally, men -- we'll rid
this place of the foul coffee/soda combination. ...this is all *Snowball's*
fault (right, comrades?)! Two legs good, four legs bad-ass!
Whelp, the time has come for me to lift my wings and fly out of the nest.
That's right, folks, I'm headin' to college. So, for any of you who might
care, my address as it stands will cease to be in a couplefew days. The new
one will be a bit more civilized than the present: hender@wam.umd.edu We
can only hope that I'll follow its example -- the parents are real tired of
me running filthy and near-naked through the house, all the while gnawing on
rats, picking lice out of my hair, and swinging on light fixtures. Or so I
would assume, considering I can't comprehend language. The doctor says a
frontal lobe could be installed, but, really, who's got the money for that?
Brian Henderson, Huckleberry Cyberburlap
Cyberburlap@icdc.com [for a limited time only - order yours while supplies
last!!]
"<synth-whine>...don't tell me you wanted me...<mellotron-throb>" --
Tangerine Dream Theater
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 04:13:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mathew and Melissa <palze@tcccom.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII
Message-ID: <199708250913.EAA17927@bsd-03.tcccom.net>
hey all!
a few more days and i'll have this on cd. :)
mathew
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 06:46:49 -0500
From: wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Neil Pearts' Tragedy
Message-ID: <199708251146.GAA06788@tddpd22.tddeng00.fnts.com>
Hi Jammerz
I'm a bit behind in my digests, so forgive me if this has been mentioned herebefore.
The weekend before last, Neil Pearts' daughter, Selena Taylor (19 years old)
was killed in a car crash. The National Midnight Star has set up a place to
leave your thoughts and condolences, on their homepage. In addition, a
Selena Taylor memorial fund, has been set up to aid poor musicians who wish
to attend college. Selena was just about to start college, before she was
lost.
The National Midnight Star URL is <http://syrinx.umd.edu/rush.html>
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 07:52:52 EDT
From: spazzoid@MIT.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: spazzoid@MIT.EDU
Subject: NDTC -- a lesson in netiquette.
Message-ID: <199708251152.HAA18844@mass-toolpike.MIT.EDU>
Mike Bahr wrote:
> I really didn't want to put this kind of stuff public, but this
> was such that I just had to post it.
Now why is it that you *just had* to post it? Perhaps to get other
people on the Jam to reassure you of your righteousness? There's
something called PROPRIETY, folks. According to my online Webster's,
it can mean either "the standard of what is socially acceptable in
conduct of speech: DECORUM" or "the customs and manners of polite
society." This includes not posting to a public forum what is meant
for private e-mail.
I personally don't care if the Jam is nothing but a repository of
bathroom invectives or flame wars, because I know how to title scan
for DT content and Bafu/Ptacek witticisms. But I do care when
a personal e-mail is waved to the Jam as a red flag signalling
a cavalry to come and help a contrivedly persecuted victim.
What Mike did was the equivalent of George Farber posting to the Jam
a private e-mail from a Jammer saying, "Please stop posting to the Jam
all your invitations for a good fucking." Many Jammers may have sent
e-mail of that nature, and didn't carbon-copy it to the Jam because
they felt that it would just add to the verbiage/NDTC on the list.
So, by reposting something that was taken to private e-mail, Mike
Bahr has pumped the bellows that fan this flame war. Congratulations.
Please note that I didn't comment on bootlegs, bootarms, pumplegs,
or any type of footwear- that's a different controversial issue for
a different time.
Mint Yoo-hoos forever,
-Julie
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:20:28 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: -
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970825112028.0066e930@mail.telepac.pt>
>what follows below is a quik compendium of my thoughts on the new album,
>both after an initial listen, and then after multiple listenings......
Whataaaaaaafuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:45:57 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: fuck
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970825114557.0066e23c@mail.telepac.pt>
>Buy yourself a music book.
Ok. No more theory. I will now unsubcribe and send
my questions to the Spice Girls mailing list.
Hey...I could even try the Blind Melon mailing list.
After all, they DO kick DT's ass... :)
___
| Pedro Filipe
___ * | * ___ &
| * | * | Francisco Miguel
*| \ | / |* (FleXable)
* | \ /|\ / | *
* | \ / | \ / | *
* | \ | / | * *
* | / \ | / \ | *
* | / \|/ \ | * 'Fuck Fuck Fuck'
*| / | \ |*
_|_* | *_|_ DREAM THEATER
* | *
_|_
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:19:57 +0200
From: "NGA" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "The Ytsejam Crowd" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: <nga@software-ag.de>
Subject: Warning - could be long
Message-ID: <9708251321.AA15303@server3.software-ag.de>
Hi all
my CD dealer just went and bought himself a new Porsche, paid for
with my money. Some of the stuff I just got has already been dealt
with here, so I'll keep my comments of those albums short, but some of the
albums haven't been discussed on the Jam before, and these albums may be of
interest to some of you. Here goes
Slo Burn - Amusing The Amazing
The new band of ex-Kyuss frontman John Garcia. Anybody who likes Kyuss will
like this - it's almost like son of Kyuss. The hard, rocking blues/rock
riffs, the driving bass and drums, the distorted guitars that make you wish
you didn't have such expensive speakers, and, of course, John Garcia's
unique vocals. The desert sound lives. Only 4 tracks, but still 10/10.
Conception - Flow
These guys just keep improving from album to album. Everything
seems right this time. Khan's vocals are perfect - this guy is in
danger of becoming my favourite singer. I'm definitely looking
forward to seeing this band on tour with Stratovarius soon. The
weakest point is the title track, hence only 9/10. Does anybody
else think the start of 'Would It Be The Same' sounds like "The
Mirror'?
Stratovarius - Visions
When I heard the intro of the first track, I thought I was listening
to some old Queensryche stuff - an excellent opener. Some very good
playing, especially from Timo Tolkki on guitar, but overall
the album is a bit too much power/speed metal for my taste. Also
I feel that some of the solos are a bit superfluous - OK guys, I can
feel a solo coming on, yes, here it comes, ahhh. A recommendation for those
of you who are into bands like Gamma
Ray or Blind Guardian. From me, however, only 7.5/10. Sounds
a lot like Angra sometimes, too.
Frederik Thorendal's Special Defects - Sol Niger Within
Sick, sick, sick. This shouldn't be allowed. This is an album that
should get the floppy trouser parts of you true prog freaks standing
to attention - 45 minutes long and just one track. For those of you
who don't know the name, Frederik Thorendal is the guitarist with
Meshuggah. Try and imagine riffs that are heavier than the balls
of a concrete elephant, rhythms and chops that make life of all air
guitarists very difficult, vocals that sound like Dani from Cradle Of
Filth had nightmares, church organs that sound like Keith Emerson
did some really bad acid, all topped off with guitars that sound like
Pat Metheny and Allan Holdsworth got involved in a bad car crash
and the remains were put together to make a single guitarist - that
is what Sol Niger Within is like. Words like "brilliant" come into my
mind. So do words like "sick", "perverse" and "what the fuck's going on
here?". A clear case of 10/10.
Rammstein - Sehnsucht
Germany's (the world's?) premier techno-metal band strike again.
Hard, heavy, riff-based stuff with undeniable strong techno
influences. A bit like Waltari's last release, but much heavier and
darker. These guys have a great stage act, so go see them if they
come anywhere near you. The lyrics are crap, so only 9/10.
Good contacts are good to have - a close friend of mine does the
VIP catering for some of the big tours/festivals here in Germany,
and he got me special access passes for Metallica in Stuttgart on
Saturday. Forget 'Load', these guys are still one of the best metal
acts around, new image or not. They only played 3 or 4 songs
from the last album, but tons of old stuff, including an amazing
version of 'One' and 'For Whom The Bell Tolls' (the sound of Jason's bass
through a wah wah is too good).
Trivia time: the first track on 'Flow' is called 'Gethsemane', and the
first track on 'Visions' is called 'The Kiss Of Judas'. Weird, huh?
Somebody mentioned that the new Crematory album will be called
'Awake'. Did you know there is a track on it called 'Mirror'?
Some people asked for the track listings of my metal acoustic and
piano tapes. Enjoy, even though some tracks are not strictly just
piano or even metal.
Metal Piano
Desolate - Paradise Lost
Space Dye Vest - Dream Theater
Mandylion - The Gathering
Gaia - Tiamat
A Distance There Is - Theatre Of Tragedy
Celtic Princess - Shadow Gallery
Sand And Mercury - The Gathering
Someone Else - Queensryche
Alone - Anathema
Do you Dream Of Me - Tiamat
Deus Miserator - Paradise Lost
Metal Guitar Goes Acoustic
Mano De Mono - Corrosion Of Conformity
Past And Future Secret - Blind Guardian
The Silent Man - Dream Theater
More Than Words - Extreme
Headstones - Lake Of Tears
Blow 'Em Off - Monster Magnet
Planet Caravan - Pantera
Horizons - Genesis
Out Of Mind - Queensryche
Kaiowas - Sepultura
Landslide - Smashing Pumpkins
St Agnes And The Burning Train - Sting
Nothing Else Matters - Metallica
You have suffered enough, children. Class dismissed.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Alastis - The Other Side
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 07:48:11 PDT
From: "Razvan Tudose" <dreamingh@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <19970825144814.16972.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: spoiler of sorts.....FII quik review
OK , Partha darlin', but what about... SAMPLES ???
Are there any on FII ? The samples were a very important
part of DT's music, and I for one would be disappointed
if there weren't any on FII ...
Anyways... on to another subject...
>7) ACOS Project (ready for checking)--All checkers apply
>by "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
How about a tab for the original ACOS version with KevMo?
I'm talking about that nice instrumental part after the
'All the world, I give to you' part ;)
> This list is starting to become a giant advertisement,
>and I think that's bullshit.
Uhmm...if you're into tape trades (esp. you European
jammers) ... check out my new tape trades list at :
http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/floyd/33/
Just click on 'Tape Trades' ,dat's all :)
While I'm on this subject, I'm looking for Fates' APSOG
EP or however it's called (it has a remix and an alternate
version of part 5, I think..I'm only saying this because
there might be a smartass who'll post here that APSOG
is NOT an EP :) ). Anyone who can give me some info
on that or who can dub it for me (like I've said, check
out that Tape Trades page ;)) , please drop me a line
at : dreamingh@hotmail.com
Thanx! Latah, y'all!
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:17:21 -0400
From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2899
Message-ID: <199708251519.LAA15376@zork.tiac.net>
> Hi Jammers.
> I really didn't want to put this kind of stuff public, but this
> was such that I just had to post it. After this, I will exert all my
> willpower to not respond to flames on the Jam toward me
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The last two messages you responded to and posted to the jam Wacky and I
didn't even originally send to the jam! We sent them to you through private
mail because we didn't think people wanted to read this shit, I know I
don't. This means you're deliberately bringing up the argument on the jam
even though we're trying to keep it off. Sure, you "really didn't want to
post this kind of stuff public." You're obviously threatened by us
otherwise you would have the balls to respond to us in private instead of
flaunting your defense in public.
Adam
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:09:27 -0400
From: kimpykins@juno.com (Jaime Kimpton)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digests of late
Message-ID: <19970825.120929.10094.0.kimpykins@juno.com>
You know, some people might have been under the impression that the Ytse
Jam was under the impression that the list was for the intelligent,
educated, and mature fans of Dream Theater to discuss the band and
semi-related topics, and where all arguments are made rationally by
people who are capable of being civil to one another.
Guess not.
::dispersing glares around the room and exiting::
Jaime the Dragon, fed up with the rampant stupidity on the list.
"Here today, mulch tomorrow."
--
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:01:59 -0300
From: "flavio maia pimenta" <fmaia@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: shadow gallery
Message-ID: <3401AC76.42B05CF7@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
I bought the shadow gallery cd "carved in stone"one month ago and must
say...it's the best prog-metal album since images and word....The first
cd is almost impossible to find here, and the internet pages didn't have
sound files of that album...Can you send sound files to me?Thanks!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:31:22 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Keyboard
Message-ID: <3401B35A.E2588D3A@caribe.net>
Does any key player here has dt songs transcribed for keyboards ??
please email me privately or directly to my friend who needs them..
mailto:stryker@caribe.net
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur.
The risk to survival is severe."
Ian Malcolm
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
mailto:progboy@mindless.com
Universal Internet Number (ICQ):1254229
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