YTSEJAM Digest 2903
Today's Topics:
1) FII
by Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
2) James Murphy
by "Kendall, Guy" <GKENDALL@COSMPDGATE.CO.SYMBIOS.COM>
3) Re: Roland VK-7 and JP-8000
by Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhou@atcon.com>
4) Re: Storm Thorgerson on all CLASSICS ?
by al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
5) SUBCONCIOUS CD AUCTION!
by "Blade Runner" <jean.j@videotron.ca>
6) ACOS Project Update
by "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
7) Advertising commerce on the Jam.
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
8) Marillion
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
9) Re: Images and Tour CD
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
10) I'm a dumb fuck!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
11) Attention Iolo
by Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2902
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
13) Re: FII
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
14) KTS--tap the rockies boot
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
15) can we stop all the crap and get back to the music?
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:45:26 -0500
From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII
Message-ID: <34021916.54A762B2@uiuc.edu>
Where the hell can i get a promo copy of the new album? this sucks.
-- later. Ed------------------------------------------------------------ Bootlegs: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/boots/larr.html Patricia: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~polzin/updates.html ------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 15:47:00 MDT From: "Kendall, Guy" <GKENDALL@COSMPDGATE.CO.SYMBIOS.COM> To: ytsejam-post-address <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: James Murphy Message-ID: <34023F32@mpdmsgtw.co.symbios.com>
Dr. Mosh said:
>Got to talk to James Murphy (formerly of Testament), he's one lucky son of >a bitch... I'll let you guys wonder about that one... :)
What? What? OK, you got me wondering. Now please tell me what you are talking about. I'm a James Murphy fan. Last I heard he had joined Strapping Young Lad with Devin Townsend.
Guy
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:35:07 -0300 (ADT) From: Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhou@atcon.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Roland VK-7 and JP-8000 Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970825223920.354fd38a@mail.atcon.com>
Carlos wrote: > Does Derek use the profecy as well...ive always though Derek used the >Trinity...and i dont know about the profecy..being a solo oriented >keyboard, but the trinity surely kicks any rolands ass out of >anyplace...
As far as I know, Derek's using both the Trinity and the Prophecy on the new album... The Trinity is a kick-ass keyboard, but the JP-8000 blows the Prophecy away.
----------------------------------- Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhou@atcon.com> ---- aka Drusillus on #ytsejam ---- ----------------------------------- http://dragon.acadiau.ca/~015691b -----------------------------------
Keith: "What's that sound?!" Sven: "It sounds like a man-eating lion, then again, it could be a lion-eating man."
- "Voltron", Pilot
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:59:16 -0400 (EDT) From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Storm Thorgerson on all CLASSICS ? Message-ID: <199708260259.WAA22725@osfn.org>
>.....in addition to animals, storm thorgerson also did: > >-a momentary lapse of reason >-delicate sound of thunder >-shine on (floyd box set) >-divison bell >-pulse > >and more recently, richard wright's "broken china" cd, which is awesome, btw. > > >if you own any of these cd's, you can probably agree that these are pretty >wild images, and he seems to like using bodies (as in human ones) in his work >(i.e., the covers to the box set, pulse and the rick wright cd). and i >thought i once heard he even was on the hipgnosis team in the 70s (btw, >anyone know if hipgnosis is still in business?). > >ytsegoon Add these to your list: - Obscured by Clouds - Darkside of the Moon - Wish You Were Here - Atom Heart Mother - Relics - A Saucerful of Secrets - More (soundtrack) - Ummagumma - Zabriskie Point (?)
-- Meek and obedient, you follow the leader Down well trodden corridors into the Valley of Steel...
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:01:11 -0400 From: "Blade Runner" <jean.j@videotron.ca> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: SUBCONCIOUS CD AUCTION! Message-ID: <199708260303.XAA25197@bizet.videotron.net>
If you're interested in putting your hands on the number 183 out of 500
of the Subconcious CD, please make an offer.
Current state of Subconscious Auction :
45 $ - bidder :nsimard@mediom.qc.ca
Also, I'm willing to sale two DT bootlegs: -Conciously Unreal
-Home Sweet Home
Make your offer...
Francois Jalbert e-mail: fra.j@videotron.ca
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:36:01 -0500 From: "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ACOS Project Update Message-ID: <199708260340.WAA24749@frost.snowhill.com>
Thanks for all who have emailed me wishing to be a checker. If anybody else is interested, please email me. Remember that you can check a section or the whole thing. I plan on doing this checking through September.
For all of you who are checking the transcription, I need to tell you two things:
1) As I've already mentioned, I've been finding a lot of small errors. Mostly careless entry, some inaccurate transcribing. This really makes me respect how accurate the Warner Bros. books are (and yes I know they contain a handy portion of blunders), but now I see how easy it is. Anyway, because I've been finding a lot of these, I want to ask most (if not all) of you to hold off about a week from sending in any corrections. The reason being that it will save both of our time if you all don't send a message saying "you forgot the low B string there" or "that is on the wrong string." Go ahead and start checking, but give me about a week to get an updated corrected version on the web page, and then if I still haven't corrected what you consider a mistake, then send it in. I think this will save a lot of time and energy.
2) While you are checking, I had a hard time with the program I was using notating bends and especially releasing the bend and pulling off to another note. Petrucci does this frequently in the song. So if you see a notation of a bend and then the same note next to it without a bend, it is a good chance that indicates a released bend. I may not get around to notating this in the ASCII revision 1, so please make sure to remind me about it!
Finally do any of the transcribers or checkers object to me putting your name on a seperate file giving you credit for your work? Please let me know. I don't think I'm going to put any names on the transcription itself because of length and legal reasons, but may have a file or web page that gives the credit for it (like a movie credit). Let me know what you guys think about this because I'm flexable. I want to give people credit for this, and my name doesn't have to be 10X bigger than everyone else's. In fact my name may just appear as an ordinary tabber.
\\||// ~~..'~ ( \ ) Brandon Vaughn \ c/ __\/__ "The Mad Tabber" / \ < . _ \ bvaughn@snowhill.com \ `\ \ -' / \ \ ,,,_ vaughn_b@popmail.firn.edu >|""O[|||||nn[:::< /_,--- ._\ '''''~ ~ | | | | |
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 22:54:52 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Advertising commerce on the Jam. Message-ID: <3402538c5947735@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
> From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
> Chris offers some good suggestions here. Unfortunately, not everyone > has web access, and not everyone has an http server to use, or the desire or > know-how to serve up HTML for what is normally a one-time deal.
That's true, but just for everyone's info, if you have web-access you can sign up for a free website to post stuff like this (or do whatever else with it you want) at http://www.geocities.com and you don't need to know HTML. There's a form you can fill out where you just put in your text (you can do your own HTML if you like, though).
And yes, this was a blatant advertisement. :-P
And as long as we're on the subject of advertising, andyone who happens to be interested in model aviation, gliders, etc. email me. I'm starting a company to sell hand-carved/painted gliders, and I'll open it up to you guys first at discounted prices (I gotta build a reputation somehow). And no, you'll never see another thing about this on the Jam, because obviously it's completely off-topic. ;-)
-Brian
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:35:52 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Marillion Message-ID: <19970826030418.AAB27084@sni.pananet.com>
Well, I bought 'Best of Both Worlds', and I must say...i had no idea what Marillion was about. For all of you that don't know Marillion, DON"T GET BRAVE FIRST. It's just so different to their other stuff. I liked most of the stuff on BoBW afer 1 or 2 listens...while Brave took me over a year. (yes. used to think it was boring too, but one day I just 'felt' like listening to it). There early stuff is definitely prog (prog ROCK, not prog metal). Later on it's quite arguable. In any case, for those of you who are planing on checking out Marillion, or already have Brave and were disappointed, check out 'Best of Both Worlds'. Ok yes, it's a double cd, so it costs a little more, but at least give it a listen at the store..you should be pleasantly surprise.
Brave *is* a great CD...but i don't think it's a good 'first cd'.
I guess it's kinda like Rush. I didn't realize how awesome they were till I got 'Chronicles'.
just thought you'd like to know, Ernie
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:19:09 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Images and Tour CD Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970826011727.19823D-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 25 Aug 1997 MTeiper@aol.com wrote:
> Hey!
Hi, Matt.
> A couple of Jams ago, someone posted requesting info about the "Images and > Tour" boot CD. I would like to second the request! :-) I anyone has any > useful info, please be kind enough to pass it on my way. I too have both of > the original sources, but like the dude who posted previously, I'm dying to > find the video tracks on CD. (That version of TTT is to DIE for!!!) Anyway, > thanx in advance for any info.
Well, I guess that I have three questions here. What is it so special about this "Images and Tour" bootleg?? You talk about some video. What is it??
> N.P. - Angra "Freedom Call" EP
So, have you bought the CD containing the EP??
Hope to hear from you soon, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:28:33 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I'm a dumb fuck! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970826012155.19823F-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
Ok, Ok.
So sorry to waste the precious bandwidth here with my personal e-mail sent to the 'jam (the only bad thing about being in Ack mode). I guess that I should save that bandwidth for those precious flame wars.
[]s tired of people bitching one another, Roger...
P.S.: Why don't you people just stay calm even when you disagree with the opinions of other 'jammers. It is a virtue to respect other's right to have opinions even when you do not agree with them (remember what Voltaire said once?).
I entered the 'jam quite late (mostly because I didn't know the existence of one band called "Dream Theater" before 1997), and I must say that I always heard that this was one of the best mailing lists around, mostly because people considered the other subscribers as their second family. I guess that this doesn't occur anymore. Please, prove me that I'm wrong!
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:11:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Attention Iolo Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970825220834.11405A-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
Hello:
Sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but I need to get in contact with Iolo. If you are reading this, please email me, or if anyone can give me his email address, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
Scott
-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/- Scott Luttringer zimbob@dreamt.org tape trader: http://cafe.berkeley.edu/~jason/scott/dt_trade.html/ -/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:17:53 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2902 Message-ID: <199708260517.WAA09954@goodnet.com>
Hi all!!
Nope, this isn't a post about flames or anything. :) I apologize to Brian for bringing the conversation public at the time.
Mark Metzger, the Man with Many Missions, writes:
> >> I work two part time jobs, one of which is my CD business. The Ytsejam > >> list has always been and will continue to be my greatest market. I > > The jam used to be more like "your family" and now we are "your greatest > market" ???? YUCK !! When I first read that, I wanted to puke !! Your > Greatest Market has reportedly supported you through school, into a
I'm sorry if that sounded cold and sterile, I really am. Don't think for a moment that at Ytsecon IV that I'm going to meet and greet everyone with "Hi, market!" :) In real life, in the music, in what we do, I feel it is a privilege to call many of you friends. When I'm calculating the print run for the next release, however, it's more efficient to think in terms of "the intended market". And so it carries over to areas related to the biz. No offense intended, honest.
> helps us out by making CDs". Now, you seem (at least on the jam - and I > quite clearly dont know you in person) to be quite bitter. Quick to > judge, quick to anger, slow to understand, if you will. When you get
You know, you're right. I _have_ been sort of a dick lately. I really do see that now. It's been a difficult summer, but none of you are to blame for any of that, so none of you deserve to catch the blowback from it. That's it... from here on out, it's back to being Cool Mike. Or at least I'm gonna try to. I'm sorry to anyone I may have pissed off. (boy this is turning into a really contrite post. Don't anyone think it's pretentious, please... remember, that's what the pop fans call the music _we_ feel is sincere and good.)
> your actions. Remember that in life, cool people get treated like cool > people and businessmen get treated like businessmen. You can only wear > both hats if you carefully disguise one of them.
I'd rather be cool than be a businessman.
Matt Teiper writes: > A couple of Jams ago, someone posted requesting info about the "Images and > Tour" boot CD. I would like to second the request! :-) I anyone has any > useful info, please be kind enough to pass it on my way. I too have both of > the original sources, but like the dude who posted previously, I'm dying to > find the video tracks on CD. (That version of TTT is to DIE for!!!) Anyway, > thanx in advance for any info.
I'm kind of in a quandary as to what to do with this. Everyone wants it all of a sudden, even though it counterfeits official releases (which is the only reason it wasn't already available). Obviously anyone else who has a CD burner is more than welcome to help these folks out, but failing that, I may have to do so, and take it "on your honor" that you bought the Live in Tokyo and Live @ Marquee releases. As if any DT fan would skip those anyway! :) The Images & Tour boot doesn't have ALL of the material from both, just some of both, arranged to appear to be a complete Images tour show from early in the tour.
Other DT content: I have a chance to pick up a copy of a boot (at full price) called "Tap the Rockies", on KTS. I was under the impression that KTS was no more. Does anyone already have this? I can buy it, that doesn't bother me, but I don't want a duplicate of something I already have. All I know so far is that it's Awake tour and soundboard, and a single CD (so it's likely not complete). Do any exsting CD boots that I don't know about fit the bill?
Joe Kruger, Chief of the Hill People writes... > Here is my proposal for a policy on commercial postings for > the mailing list: > > 1. Offer must be posted by a subscriber. > 2. Products must be Dream Theater or "related-band" related. > 3. Postings must be brief. > 4. Auctions must be conducted off the mailing list. Postings > 6. Subscribers limited to one commercial-type posting per week. > 7. Seller must post contact information for additional information. > 8. No reasons for sale necessary or, at times, desired. If a > 9. No justification of prices necessary or, at times, desired. > 10. All communications with seller must take place in private e-mail, > 11. Complaints about the mailing lists commercial policy (once > 12. Abuse of policy should be reported to list manager. Supplemental, > 13. Rules for commercial postings would not apply to tape trees, > 14. Scams (offering items without delivering items) and scammers > 15. Postings like "I'm a dumbass and I just deleted the jam that
Seems fair if you ask me. I will abide by these as best I can, whether they are adopted as the standard or not. It may become a self-fulfilling prophecy that if enough of us do so, they will become the de facto standard. Now where did I put Marcel's and Pat's email addresses... :)
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: FII Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970826013139.13226A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, Edward Polzin wrote:
> Where the hell can i get a promo copy of the new album? this sucks.
Patience is a virtue..........September 23rd.
Anyone who hasn't heard any of this album will be much more rewarded than some people who already have it or have boots of it. Because those will spoil your impression of the CD.
And I can't wait for all the posts about how DT sold out when the album comes out. It'll be a good laugh. It'll also be funny when Skadz steps in and makes up another rule: No discussions of Dream Theater selling out or you will automatically be unsubscribed. Anyone want to back me up on this prediction? I am POSITIVE that it will happen.
Brandon
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:51:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: KTS--tap the rockies boot Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970826014604.14027A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, durnik wrote:
> Other DT content: I have a chance to pick up a copy of a boot (at > full price) called "Tap the Rockies", on KTS. I was under the impression > that KTS was no more. Does anyone already have this? I can buy it, that > doesn't bother me, but I don't want a duplicate of something I already > have. All I know so far is that it's Awake tour and soundboard, and a > single CD (so it's likely not complete). Do any exsting CD boots that I > don't know about fit the bill?
Well, I think that the Colorado show (11/22/94)from the Awake tour was a radio broadcast (and if I'm wrong let me know). When I read the title of this boot (tap the rockies) I thought maybe it's the show from Colorado (taken directly from the broadcast). I don't think there are any boot CDs of this show already. Anyways, that's my take on it.
Brandon
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 02:05:07 -0400 From: JB <beamup@vt.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: can we stop all the crap and get back to the music? Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970826020507.007b3c20@192.168.255.1>
PEOPLE, This list is supposed to be about Dream Theater and bands of the like. And even MUSIC in general... For the last few days I've been catching up on jams since I went out of country for a few months, and all I've heard is people trashing each other. Jesus, this is pathetic. I can't see why anyone (in or out of the band) would take us seriously when all we do is slander each other like some kind of 13 year old on a BBS of old. (which is exactly what this reminds me of).
For example... when someone asks
>> From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> >> >> 1- How do we know where the accents are in a certain >> drum pattern? Do the accents coincide with the >> bass/snare/...? Does the drummer hit the hi-hat/ride/... >> 'harder'?
It is a legitimate MUSIC related question.... far more so that the person (A. Miller) who responded in this manner :
>actually, here's a better idea.... why don't you buy a damn theory book and >quit pestering the list? if i wanted to read about this garbage i'd go back to >school.
GIVE ME A BREAK.... I don't really care about percussion as much as some do (as its not my instrument), but I'd read a response to that question... simply because it would be A) about music and B) interesting.... Get with the program, or get the hell out. And show some damn courteosy for other people... Someone wants to learn something and you trash them. Real Nice.
Just because something isn't interesting to you, doesn't mean that its information that no one else wants to hear. GROW UP! If you don't want to hear about it, skip the damn post, and read on. If you do, read and/or comment (like an adult) on it.
>> Can anyone scan some songs from the I&W official guitar book >> and send me via e-mail (jpg/gif format)? >> I would be forever grateful... > >no.
I rest my case.
LET'S GET THE JAM BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE ACOS... I'd like us to be taken seriously once again...
---------------------------+++--------------------------------- notes from the desk of Virginia Tech Jason Brindel Computer EngIneering (540) 961-7262 & VT a cappella beamup@vt.edu (JUXTAPOSITION) www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup www.vt.edu:10021/org/juxtap ---------------------------+++---------------------------------- *CD currently playing - "JUXTAPOSITION - Assume the Position"* -=plug-=plug=- email me if you want one!! -=plug-=plug=- ALBUM #2 Is currently In production! ---------------------------+++----------------------------------
------------------------------
End of YTSEJAM Digest 2903 **************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 17:59:48 EST