YTSEJAM Digest 2911
Today's Topics:
1) Volare
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
2) IQ test
by Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
3) Re: Keyboard Advice Needed!!
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@cyberhighway.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2908
by sstys@ix.netcom.com
5) Portnoy,Castronovo
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
6) WAAF in Boston = Potential DT-Playin' Station
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
7) IQ tests???
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
8) Re: UK Release Date/Live In Tokyo
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
9) Finneus and the case of the copyright infringment.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
10) Finneus Gauge show - October 3rd, 1997.
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
11) Re: Regarding CaseLiner
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
12) Re: Keyboard Advice Needed!!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
13) Perfection???
by beheader@sili.com.br (Pedro Prado)
14) Re: Yes on the radio/DT on the radio?
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
15) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2906
by colak@uhavax.hartford.edu
16) MIDI (Mike Is Damn Inspiring!) :)
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
17) doh!
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
18) ANGRA "Never understand"
by Stephane AUZILLEAU <auzzy@zen.dedal.fr.net>
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:06:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Volare
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970828120453.13970B-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
> From: Raivo Hool <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
> Subject: Volare
> > Volare
>
> Where'd they get the name? It reminds me of Brain Donors A LOT!
Volare is Italian word for flying, I think. I knew that those
Italian magic cards that I bought would be good for something!
-jeremy
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# grad student, Boston U. # "Lots of people go to college for seven #
# Boston, MA 02134 # years." #
# Astronomy # "Yeah, they're called doctors." #
#<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># --Tommy Boy #
#<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># Vikings Fan since 1979 #
#<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ #
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:17:05 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IQ test
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970828121704.006be734@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca>
>BTW. i just took an iq test at www.iqtest.com, and i got a score of 159.
>So it's either a crock o shit, or I'm a genious. I'm going for the genious
>part:)
Considering the highest score you can get is like 166 (at least, that's the
highest score *I* could get by answering everything right and putting in "1
minute" as the time), I think it's a crock... I mean, what if your IQ is
higher than 166? Then what? BTW, 161 here... :P
*** Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca> ************************************
The Toronto Maple Leafs mailing list info: http://hockey.dyn.ml.org/
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:46:29 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Advice Needed!!
Message-ID: <199708281646.JAA07980@odin.ax.com>
>Neil Evans wrote:
>>Can any of you knowledgable keyboarders out there recommend a decent
>>keyboard (brand/model) in the price range of about $500-$700?
>
>Well, my recommendation would be a Roland XP-10 synthesizer. It's got
all
Another good onefor starters would be the Korg X5. It's more of a synth,
but it seems to have all you need to start out with. And even though it
sounds silly, look at a cheap Yamaha or Casio in the Sears catalogs.
That's where I got my start. :) I was perfectly content to play my Casio
with Tinykeys [tm] for about 2 years. heheheh. It even sounded halfway
kewl.
KorgX3
KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:58:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: sstys@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2908
Message-ID: <v01520d01b02b016b85bc@[205.184.11.39]>
> Ok, I understand what you're trying to say. But the missing I mentioned is
>not influenced from the time measure. It doesn't matter if he is doing 4/4
>or anything else. What I'm saying is that he is doing a simple beat (just
>snare and bass drum) and he misses the last snare.
> Maybe my CD has any problem, but, even the missing being too soft, it's
>not that much that musician people can't note it. Sorry, but I still think
>he misses this beat.
OK, from another drummers perspective I do not here this "Mistake" you are=
hearing. what I am hearing is (in lay terms cause highly musically trained=
i am not) is mike going into a fill 1 beat early. Do yourself a favor=
count thru it starting at the begining of the song and thru that part, just=
count it in 4, I am willing to bet that when you get to that part and he=
goes thru the fill you will come out counting with him just as before. I=
even noticed that when I counted it MIkes bass drums even fall solidly on=
what you are counting. =20
and then someone else said:
>Mike does make mistakes, and they are not that hard to find.
>In Caught in a web, at 3:22, it sounds as if mike "forgot" that he has to=
move to the=20
>HH cimbal. (that's only an opinion, it might have been deliberately).
>Another one (and this one's or sure) -In the Rush tribute cd WORKING MAN,=
Mike has a=20
>drum solo on track 2. At 1:37 , you can hear clearly his sticks hitting=
each other.
No actually what you are hearing is a pattern played on the ride then an=
accent with a snare hit and a splash cymbal and then the pattern where he=
movesd over to the HH's. No mistake just carefully planned musical=
phrasing. I wondered the same thing that you did about CiAW Until I saw=
them play it live and saw him do that fill. Anyway I think the reason it=
sounds so akward is that the splash hit is mixed in so low. As far as the=
WM mistake that you hear. that disk was never ment to be a bilboard=
release and to me has a very natural feel, almost like they rolled tape and=
said OK, lets get this thing done. As far as the stick thing goes, I mean=
come on here. Let me ask you a question, how many times do you hit the=
bowl when your taking a piss? My point here is that the man is human much=
like you or I. Lets not harp on the fact that his sticks knocked together=
on a drum solo in the middle of a song.
thats just my $.02
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:22:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
To: hagai sadot <"winkle@internet-zahav.net"@parker.internet-zahav.net>
Subject: Portnoy,Castronovo
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970828121414.24119D-100000@rossby>
Hagai Sadot,
I have to certainly agree with you on prog drummers! I forgot Deen
Castronovo and also Mike Mangini. They both totally rock for Steve Vai!
Now, I have to disagree with you on Mike Portnoy's drumming. Come on, if
Mike played everything the exact same way everytime, then the guy
wouldn't be human. For example, you criticized him for "messing up" on
Surrounded on Live at the Marque. All he did was hit the temple block
instead of an open HH. That's not a big deal at all, at least rhythmically.
Now, I do notice the sticks clicking together on the RUSH tribute album
during his solo in By-Tor and the Snow Dog. That is not particularly
appropriate in a studio performance. (however, I would've dropped my
sticks, let alone hit them together, trying to play something like that!)
As for live performances in general, I've never seen DT live, but have a
couple live CDs of theirs. Mike adds some improvs to the original parts,
in some cases making them "too busy". Needless to say though, he is
amazing, and is hard to beat by anyone......
Jon Case
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:41:00 -0400
From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WAAF in Boston = Potential DT-Playin' Station
Message-ID: <3405B82C.3CE@net1plus.com>
I request BMS (via e-mail) every day for play on WAAF in Boston. I
heard PMU in May during a midnight request show they sometimes have, so
I'm sure if all you other Boston-area Jammers hound them (phone calls
don't hurt either) they'll begin to play it. You can reach them at:
WWW.WAAF.COM.
-Jon Dery, Dream Theater Supporter!
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:56:12 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: IQ tests???
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970828155135.2241A-100000@wirth.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Nick Giannotti wrote:
> I took that iq test too... 143. There's another one out there that has a
> lot more to do with spatial relationships and visual comparisons than
> this one, and I got a 152 on that one. At least I'm fairly consistent...
Hey, please, could you please post those addresses for IQ tests??
I don't know where I put Eckie's first post with the address... I'm
really curious to see if I'm a genius or if I'm a total dumb to forget
where I put his post... :-)
BTW, to everyone that talks about how ineffective the IQ tests
are: yes, I guess that everyone already knows that human intelect can't be
summarized in a single number. :-)
Thank you for any help again, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:58:39 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: UK Release Date/Live In Tokyo Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970828155633.2241B-100000@wirth.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com wrote:
> Also, I have found the DT Live in Tokyo video (the one with the > flaming heart on the front). Is this any good? Is it worth buying (I > know it probably is because it's 90 mins of DT video footage - but > what's the quality/performance like?).
Well, the video/sound quality is good (it's about what you'd expect from a home video), but I find two things inconvenient about this video:
- way too short; - the show is broken with song videos/interviews.
At least, they could have put all the videos/interviews at the beginning of the tape... :-(
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:00:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Finneus and the case of the copyright infringment. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970828145733.20553A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> I think there's a band called finneus gauge playing on one of the days > also. Can anyone tell me something about these bands? Which overall > lineup is better? Are any of them must-see bands? Help!
No, finneus gauge is not playing at progday. They were "uninvited" by Peter Renfro, who put some finneus material (withough the approval of finneus/inverse) on some promotional cd's. when called on it, renfro (this is the short version, folks) uninvited them.
finneus -is- playing 2 shows in October (one in Scranton and in in New Jersey) so you'll have to come up to Philly to see them.
* * * * * * * e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:11:19 -0400 From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com> To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Finneus Gauge show - October 3rd, 1997. Message-ID: <199708281913.PAA24135@brickbat8.mindspring.com>
this is taken from the finneus newletter.
>finneus gauge will be playing at R.T.'s in Oaklyn, NJ on Friday, October 3, >with Influx opening the show and Nepenthe closing. Expect several new songs >from finneus gauge (see website for titles of new tunes) as well as many >selections from "more once more." Cover is $6.00 at the door and the show >will start at approximately 10:00pm. Oaklyn, NJ is just 10 minutes from >Philadelphia, when crossing the Walt Whitman or Ben Franklin Bridge, on >Route 30.
i hope to see some of you out there!
mike.
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:29:43 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Regarding CaseLiner Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970828155929.2241C-100000@wirth.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 MTeiper@aol.com wrote:
> Could anyone give me any info regarding this CaseLiner program? I have > recently done some trading with a Jammer (Rogerio), and the tape I received
Well, since my hard disk has almost no free space after installing DOS, Windows 3.1 and Linux, I have no choice but use CaseLiner 4.8, if I'm not mistaken. There's also a version specially made for Windows 95, but I don't remember the number.
You can get this program from my bootleg homepage (you can get the URL from my signature). There I have put a link to "The Trade", which points to lots of those case liners, including Case Liner.
> in return had the track listing typed up on a paper that fit over the > original tape insert in the tape case. (I have also seen stuff like this > with previous trades with Jammers, as well.) It was done up very nicely with > the track listings split by tape side. Furthermore, the title of the tape is
Nice that you liked the track listings. I'll make a program for Unix users that will take an input with something like an HTML (I'll think more about it later) and output a LaTeX program (maybe TeX) for a nice case liner (I hope)...
> displayed nicely in the spine of the case, and details such as Stereo/Mono > and Dolby or not are displayed on the insert as well. Was this done with > CaseLiner? Or was this done with a template for a standard word processing > software package? Either way, can someone help me out with some info? I'd > like to get my hands on whatever created this insert - it looked sharp! > > Thanks... > > Matt Teiper
Hope this helps and if any other 'jammers have suggestions of what the program should do, please send me a message.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:32:29 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Keyboard Advice Needed!! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970828163013.2241D-100000@wirth.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Rick Barkhouse wrote:
> +---------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > | "Through nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to live." | > | - Kevin Moore, "Learning to Live" | > +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
Ooops!
I think that "Learning to Live" lyrics aren't written by Kevin Moore, but by John Myung. Please, any 'jammer correct me if I'm wrong...
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:37:36 -0300 From: beheader@sili.com.br (Pedro Prado) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Perfection??? Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970828163736.006ac1a0@pop.sili.com.br>
>> But, as I said in the subject: If this missig really exists, I don't think >> this makes MP a worst drummer. Even the best drummer (like MP) can make >> mistakes. > >this is one of the most ridiculous threads i've seen. even the best can make >mistakes? are you idiots, er, uh, people forgetting that we're talking about >human beings here? nobody is perfect. > >i realize the person that wrote the above quoted out section is simply >commenting on the thread, so this isn't directed at them, but to those of you >that are analyzing DT's music looking for mistakes- get a life. they're not >perfect. no one is. if you want to hear flawless drumming, buy a drum >machine.
Perfection?? What in the hell does perfection mean? For you, a perfect drummer is someone who doesn't make any mistakes, that plays like a drum machine. So, you may think that Portnoy is not perfect just because he does that little mistakes. Ok, that's your point of view. In MY point of view, Portnoy is perfect, but if I would think in your way, he would not be. I will say it again: just because he does little mistakes, this is not going to change my opinion about him: he is perfect and that's it! By the way: do you want to know the definition of "perfection". Listen to Steve Gadd and you will see. I'm sorry, but, although a human being, he IS perfect. :-)
PS: Don't call people idiots. Didn't you say nobody is perfect? So, I wrote that, and I'm a human being, so, I'm not perfect. This means I can make mistakes and there's no reason for you to say I'm an idiot just because, in YOUR opinion, my "perfection" concept is wrong.
_________________ Pedro Prado - a.k.a. Beheader Email: beheader@sili.com.br - ICQ: 1271907 URL: http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/3551
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:17:16 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Yes on the radio/DT on the radio? Message-ID: <3405DCCC.500F@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
>> When was the last time you heard Yes or ELP on the air? > Yesterday. Of course, it was Roundabout (great song, BTW :).
I'll hear Lucky Man or Karn Evil 9 1st imp ("welcome back my friends"). For Yes, it's Roundabout, Heart of the Sunrise, America or Das Fish. This is all, of course, on, classic hits radio :)
> If their record label isn't going to get behind them why should we?
If you go back a few jams, you'll noticed I bypassed the radio DJ pawns and went after the bigger pieces on the board :) DJs are simply monkeys who do what they are told.
If you want to make an impact, you must send the message to someone who at least has some decision making power at the radio station. Also notice the compliment I payed him, on the great job the station has done over the years :) You ain't gonna get too far at convincing them if you attempt to ram it down their throats. Give them a chance to do the right thing before dumping them!
Regards,
Jon
*------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:30:36 EDT From: colak@uhavax.hartford.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2906 Message-ID: <009B9758.2DB05A00.35@uhavax.hartford.edu>
Please do not send me any more messages. Please take me out of your mail group.
Colak
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:01:03 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MIDI (Mike Is Damn Inspiring!) :) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970828200103.0066d5ec@mail.telepac.pt>
I just finished some Steve Vai midis I've been working on for a while ('For Love of God' & 'Sisters', both from Passion and Warfare). Is anyone interested in trading them for a few songs from the I&W official book (scanned/faxed copies, NOT tabs)?
___ | Pedro Filipe ___ * | * ___ & | * | * | Francisco Miguel *| \ | / |* (FleXable) * | \ /|\ / | * * | \ / | \ / | * * | \ | / | * * * | / \ | / \ | * * | / \|/ \ | * 'Fuck Fuck Fuck' *| / | \ |* _|_* | *_|_ DREAM THEATER * | * _|_
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:00:58 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: doh! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970828200058.0066d62c@mail.telepac.pt>
1- How daaaaaa hell can I get Ytsejam's back 'issues'? 2- I heard there is this thing on the net where several people can jam in real time, with General MIDI instruments. Has anyone heard of this already?
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:49:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Stephane AUZILLEAU <auzzy@zen.dedal.fr.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ANGRA "Never understand" Message-ID: <199708281649.SAA10244@zen.dedal.fr.net>
To answer to the ytsejammer who asked, "Never understand" is on ANGRA's "Angels cry" album. But "Holy land" is also worth to be bought. It's more original... This band rocks!!!
Stephane Auzilleau French Dream Theater fanzine - Your Majesty
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