YTSEJAM Digest 3312
Today's Topics:
1) Knowing how to play songs/losing the magic...
by GlassMoon <ep180@city.ac.uk>
2) prog cliches
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
3) interesting thing.........
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
4) Re: Learning Songs
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
5) FATES WARNING - A THREAD I CAN AT LAST ASSOCIATE WITH
by Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK
6) Chords on wind instr.
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
7) Powermad 1997
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
8) Mike Bahr
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
9) Re: FATES WARNING - A THREAD I CAN AT LAST ASSOCIATE WITH
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
10) Re: Cakewalk
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
11) Robberies, FINNISH jammers, some DTC
by Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi>
12) Re: xmas
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
13) Re: Cakewalk
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
14) Re: interesting thing.........
by "Warlock" <musashi@musashi.gsgis.K12.VA.US>
15) RE: Faith No M
by mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
16) [Fwd: New Web Pages]
by Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com>
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:46:23 +0000 (GMT)
From: GlassMoon <ep180@city.ac.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Knowing how to play songs/losing the magic...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.971203143241.4790A-100000@par>
> From: Stephan Dobay <reginars@mandic.com.br>
> Speaking of complicated parts, I would never even attempt to try
> to figure out the guitar parts I described above. Why? Well,
> I don't know if I'm alone in this viewpoint, but whenever I learn
> to play a song, that song losses its mystery. I know I'm not
Really? I find that really amusing, because when I learn a song, it
GAINS a magical quality!!! I hear the parts played by the specific
instrument on their own, analyse them, and just totally love the way they
fit in together. In particular, I felt this with PMU. What a song!!! The
acustic guitar part over "this world is spinning around me.." is so
magical!!! I knew it was magical when I heard it, but playing it!!!
OOOhhh...!!! now when I hear it I relive the moment that I first played
it! and of course every other single note in PMU rules too!!!
> try to preserve that magic. Probably the most noteable song that
> fits that description is Led Zeppelin's "Achilles Last Stand". A
> song that I still think is the most perfect rock song ever
Hehe... I feel kinda honoured!!! :) But I still stand!!!! ;P
> recorded. If I were to transcribe it, it would somehow lose its
> mystery. I couldn't listen to it in awe anymore. I would only
> listen to it in an almost analytical frame of mind. "Oh, Jimmys
> just playing off an E, and Jonesy just dropped that beat."
Yeah, but you shouldn't JUST listen to it in that frame of mind. The more
I learn about music, the more I am amused by the way all the theory
produces such wonderful sounds. The more I learn how to play the guitar,
the more I am amazed at drummers, bassists, keyboardists,violinists,etc.
(Oh, I sing too, so no flames from singers for not mentioning vox!!)
I just feel the music is a lot closer to me that way!!! 8D
> Music should be more than just notes. It's the feeling, not
> fitting it on a treble clef. It's the "clima". The emotions
> evoked. That is what makes music special to me.
And it should!!! It IS more than just notes. But it ALSO IS notes!!! so
don't let the notes scare ya! ;P
Achilles : . "Why should we, think to care,
Metalhead and : . Wont we anyway disappear?"
Dream Theater fan : . Fates Warning - 'A World Apart'
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:08:09 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: prog cliches
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-971203150809Z-13668@ms.Kallback.com>
> Question, why does every damned prog guitarist use the phrase where
>you play a note, go up a half step, and go a fifth above that? Jesus!
>It's as clicie as many of the blues phrases which are still played to
>death by blues guitarists. Sure, use the phrase, but don't let it stand
>alone anymore, goddammit!!!!! Add some notes. No me gustan las clicies.
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Prog-metal cliches is a thread I've wanted to start for a while.
There are so many. I just hope people take this in jest and
don't get all pissy. So with no further ado, I start the;
Progmetal Cliche List
1. CD covers with a cross, usually Celtic, broken, buried, or
otherwise defaced.
2. Band photos with members wearing pirate or puffy shirts.
3. Lyrics about house parts i.e. doors, windows, mirrors, etc
4. Song titles or lyrics including the word "Babylon". Also
anything else ending in "on". (Carry on, Hold on, etc.)
5. CD catalogs comparing everything to DT or QR.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
Feel free to add to it, and play nice!
Trevor
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:36:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: interesting thing.........
Message-ID: <199712031536.KAA13734@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
I was in a CD place and I saw something interesting. They had
a copy of WDADU, which was different than the 2 other copies
I had. For one, the record company was One-Way Records, which
I had never heard of. The back cover had the pictures of the
band that's inside on the other ones I have.
Plus, it had the following message (paraphrased): Please note
that this CD was developed from an analog tape, and may contain
hissing.
Anyone have this CD, or know what the deal is with this thing?
-Al
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Learning Songs Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971203073714.21491A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
I have to say I disagree completely with what's been said. I love learning songs and solows exactly. I get a rush out of playing the stuff. I also get hopeful because, if I can play it, I could write something similar. I'll never be able to say how amped I was when I transcribed both Another Day solows. To be able to play along with JP is really cool, to me. Be well. Matt B
"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes; not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile... Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile, that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:41:29 +0000 From: Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FATES WARNING - A THREAD I CAN AT LAST ASSOCIATE WITH Message-ID: <80256562.00558EF1.00@ThamesWater.Co.Uk>
Calling All Jammers,
I have been intrigued for some time now about 3 thrings
1. What exactly do Fates Warning sound like / Q'ryche similarities?? Does anybody in the UK have clue where any FW product can be found?? For a die-hard DT, QR, Kings X, G Cowboys fan, are they worth ?15
2.Similar query to above but this time relating to TSO, again can they be found in the UK anywhere Would anybody copy a CD or tape for a reasonable price What do they sound like??????
3.I have one old vinyl Savatage LP, Hall of the Mountain King To be honest I find it hard going, the vocalist is pretty 'crunchy' but the production stinks I'm nervous about any purchases as i read an awful review of DWD in Kerrang Magazine Are more recent albums better and more listenable than 'Mountain King?????
PS
Am I the only Jammer who is still being blown away by the number of cool choruses on Queensryches HitNF ???????????????????????? This album is a real return to form after the crap of Promised Land ( Lady Jane--My Arse)
steve
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 11:00:44 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Chords on wind instr. Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971203110044.00c27a40@sol.eng.fore.com>
>I don't know if this is related or not, but it's pretty cool: If you play a >note and at the same time hum the 10th through the instrument (the 3rd up an >octave), the combination will produce the 5th in addition. One wind >instrument player playing a major chord. Fun to do. It's worked for me on >trombone and flute.
That's intriguing. Does it work for woodwinds? I don't suppose if you flat the 3rd (or 10th in this case) you could still get the fifth, producing the minor chord? Now that would be cool.
KAI
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:12:57 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Powermad 1997 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971203105723.4429C-100000@bdmserver>
After a couple of days off from work I am back to post my review of Powermad 1997. I did catch Madden's illness-thanks pal...
There were a lot of great bands playing at this thing. Unfortunately a lot of the big time mentioned bands canceled for one reason or another. This thing could have been organized a little better. It could have been publicized a little better as well since hardly anyone was there. The sound system was pretty bad since the bands couldn't hear a thing on stage.
Friday's bands were pretty good. The bands I was impressed with was Frost Bite, Division (who had a good set after early sound problems), and Mercury Rising with the Ray Alder look alike vocalist. Other bands like Maraya, Misconception, and Enertia were good as well.
I only saw some of Saturday's set. I had to leave in the middle of Soundscape's set. What I heard from them was wild stuff. They were good. Unfortunately I didn't get to see the Quiet Room.
Powermad had other advantages to going. There was Century Media, Knights of the Round, Lasers Edge, and other vendors selling cds much cheaper than you can at any other time. I bought cds from The Quiet Room, Digital Ruin, 2 Angra cds, Symphony X, Spocks Beard, Veni Domine, Stratavarious import Best of (for 15$), the Gathering, Iced Earth.
James Azrin (sp) was there and he bought a ton of cds...
You could also talk to members of the bands. The guys in Digital Ruin were pretty cool. I dont know what to make of their concept album. It has a lot of samples. They plan to be on the web soon. Basically all the bands were pretty cool.
Hopefully there will be a Powermad next year.
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:13:53 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mike Bahr Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971203111300.4429D-100000@bdmserver>
Mike, you should be considering yourself lucky. You could have got stabbed somewhere else and now be divorced... ouch...
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:15:27 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: FATES WARNING - A THREAD I CAN AT LAST ASSOCIATE WITH Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971203141341.17768A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997 Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK wrote:
> 2.Similar query to above but this time relating to TSO, again can they be > found in the UK anywhere > Would anybody copy a CD or tape for a reasonable price > What do they sound like??????
Imagine a rock band doing interpretations of classical songs and christmas carols. Add a 13 people choir. Add an incredible feel to the songs. That's TSO.
> steve
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 11:15:36 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Cakewalk Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971203111536.00c46520@sol.eng.fore.com>
If you end up typing this article up, please send me a copy. Please don't type it in only on my account though. I would hate to inflict that upon anyone. In the meantime, if you find the article on the web, send me the pointer.
Later, KAI
At 05:57 AM 12/3/97 -0800, you wrote: > >Hey all. > >Anyone who uses Cakewalk software, or would just like an interesting >perspective on it, there's an exceptionally long article regarding their >inception and business practices in today's issue of the Boston Globe. You >most likely can get this online through the Globe's archives >(www.boston.com, I believe, or something to that extent), but if anyone >wants, private email me and I'll type it up and shoot it out to you. > >-Nicholas > >"Everyone who believes in psychokinesis please raise my right hand." > >
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 19:31:21 +0200 From: Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Robberies, FINNISH jammers, some DTC Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971203173121.0067f7c8@mbox.sci.fi>
That Mike Bahr incident reminded me about something that happened to me and my boyfriend some 2 years ago. We were coming from the grocery store and walked right in the middle of a robbery, this guy coming out of another store with his gun and started shooting at us ! Luckily that guy was a bad shooter and the bullets hit this liquor store 3 feet from us. The guy ran into the woods and my boyfriend wanted to go after him, but I talked him out of it. The police caught the guy in about a week. I must've been shaking like an hour after this. For once in my life I had luck and no one else got hurt either. It's a real shame people come to this. I just have to be glad that I'm living in Finland, where nothing ever really happens ! Mike, you're a helluva guy !!
ATTENTION esp. finnish jammers !! Who wants to get together before DT's show in Helsinki in March ? Many of us have been interested about it. A little too early to mention this, but I just thought you could start thinking about it ! (This in english so other jammers don't think I write anything bad about them..hehe =))
Satu
PS: Met two guys from Danger Danger yesterday and Bruno Ravel said that he doesn't like Dream Theater or progressive music, well, didn't bother to talk about music much after that..
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 11:32:30 -0500 From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: xmas Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971203113230.0069f9b4@scott.skidmore.edu>
Well, I think you're going to find a LOT of variation on Christmas meals. Heh, however, Thanksgiving TYPICALLY involves a turkey dinner with stuffing, cranberry sauce, gravy, and that kind of stuff. Christmas seems to be much more sub-cultured. For example, my grandmother cooks homemade ravioli for Xmas dinner, but we have chicken or turkey Xmas eve.....
"Christmas is still about one very important thing--" "Yeah, ham!" "No, not ham, you fat f***!!!" "Christmas is about something much more important!" "What?" "Presents!" --Spirit Of Christmas
Erica Bonomi, ebonomi@skidmore.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Deedlit or Deedo on IRC vacation: pootersox@bonomi.connix.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 11:30:19 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Cakewalk Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971203113019.00c41c50@sol.eng.fore.com>
And I also hate the fact that I had my head up my ass enough to send that to the whole list. Sorry about that.
KAI
At 08:26 AM 12/3/97 -0800, you wrote: > >If you end up typing this article up, please send me a copy. Please don't >type it in only on my account though. I would hate to inflict that upon >anyone. In the meantime, if you find the article on the web, send me the >pointer. > >Later, >KAI > >At 05:57 AM 12/3/97 -0800, you wrote: >> >>Hey all. >> >>Anyone who uses Cakewalk software, or would just like an interesting >>perspective on it, there's an exceptionally long article regarding their >>inception and business practices in today's issue of the Boston Globe. You >>most likely can get this online through the Globe's archives >>(www.boston.com, I believe, or something to that extent), but if anyone >>wants, private email me and I'll type it up and shoot it out to you. >> >>-Nicholas >> >>"Everyone who believes in psychokinesis please raise my right hand." >> >> > >
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:55:41 +0000 From: "Warlock" <musashi@musashi.gsgis.K12.VA.US> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: interesting thing......... Message-ID: <199712031809.NAA12794@musashi.gsgis.K12.VA.US.>
> I was in a CD place and I saw something interesting. They had > a copy of WDADU, which was different than the 2 other copies > I had. For one, the record company was One-Way Records, which > I had never heard of. The back cover had the pictures of the > band that's inside on the other ones I have. > Plus, it had the following message (paraphrased): Please note > that this CD was developed from an analog tape, and may contain > hissing. > Anyone have this CD, or know what the deal is with this thing?
This is the only copy of WDADU I've ever seen and owned. What are the versions you have? Chris
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 12:35:27 EST From: mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Faith No M Message-ID: <199712031736.JAA23169@odin.ax.com>
--- Received from HQ02MEMO.TC6NSMM MCCURDY, SHAWN 12-03-97 12:05
Josh wrote:
<Last night I saw a song from Faith no More on that 12 angry viewers <show (yes I watch it sometimes....it is one of the few places you can <hear new music), anyways, they played a song from FNM with the word <Ashes in the title. I was wondering if anyone has the "Album of the <year", and what they thought of it. I really liked the song, and to <interest me more, all of the morons on the show hated it.
I think the song is entitled "Ashes to Ashes." Overall, the CD is not bad; better than 90% of the crap that has saturated the music industry today. "Last Cup of Sorrow" is also a good song off the CD. Worth a listen.
Also, I bought the Japanese version of FII. Personally, I think it was worth it to get the bonus disk with the demos of "Speak to Me" and "Take Away My Pain." I haven't decided which version of TAMP is my favorite because I like them both for different reasons. Actually, I believe that DT is combining both versions into one on tour. (At least that what I thought that I heard when they played it. I like the crotales part that MP plays on the outro. Got to get me a set of those!) And as far as having an extra copy of FII, now I can keep one in the car and one down at my drums (just like I&W and Awake). Oh well, just my opinion, back to work.
See-ya Shawn
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 10:26:15 -0700 From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com> To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>, Subject: [Fwd: New Web Pages] Message-ID: <34859636.9AC738B1@TransWestTaxi.com>
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After several weeks of exhausting and mind destroying work, I have finally got the new web page done.:-)) If anyone has any comments or complaints please e-mail me. There are two sets of pages. One is full of graphics and text. The second set is basically text only. This was done to accommodate the laptops and those of you still in the prehistoric era.:-)
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