YTSEJAM Digest 3313
Today's Topics:
1) Re: xmas (NDTC)
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
2) The Fixx/The Fixins/Mixology/Lighter Material/Jon Finn/Misheard
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
3) One Way, WDADU?
by Paul Drapeau <drapeau@cs.uri.edu>
4) PL Crap?
by KillMary <caschulze@mindspring.com>
5) X-giving vs. Xmas
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
6) Emerald's Guitarpage
by Emerald <elkloost@students.cs.ruu.nl>
7) X-Files Movie (NDTC)
by NUPRIN <nuprin@huey.squashduck.com>
8) powermad-eternity x
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
10) One-way records
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
11) FNM (NDTC)
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
12) ProgMetal Cliches
by "Mr. Matt" <MattG@apqc.org>
13) One Way Record rerelease of WDADU
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
14) Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
15) For Floridian DT fans
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
16) For Floridian DT fans
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:26:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: xmas (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971203102521.3645B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Deedlit wrote:
>
>"Christmas is still about one very important thing--"
>"Yeah, ham!"
>"No, not ham, you fat f***!!!"
>"Christmas is about something much more important!"
>"What?"
>"Presents!"
"Hey, man! If you're Jewis you get presents for *eight* days!"
^_^ (sorry -- sleep dep kicking in... everything... insanely funny...
hahahaha.. ha. hahaha...ahahah... .hmr...hrm.... zzzzz)
>
>Erica Bonomi, ebonomi@skidmore.edu
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Deedlit or Deedo on IRC
>vacation: pootersox@bonomi.connix.com
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>http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/
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>
--Matt
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"..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen"
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:44:06 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: Just Let Me Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Fixx/The Fixins/Mixology/Lighter Material/Jon Finn/Misheard
Message-ID: <3485A876.4B76@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Tom:
> Enough NDTC...sorry for the Fixx tangent.
Hey, you know how it is: one thing leads to another :)
Good stuff though.
Chris:
> They hosted a dinner for themselves and the Native Americans
The ones they didn't slaughter, that is :\
> Naturally, the holiday (like most, for most people) has lost its meaning.
Ya think? Lost and completely upstaged! I actually saw a commercial for
x-mas items before T-Day. They used to wait at least till the day after
to draw the bottom line with $ :|
Rogerio on WDADU:
> Ok, maybe 70/30, but I'd not label it as being
> "progressive". Maybe a mix, but not progressive.
LFaGA, to me, is excessive progressive when Kevin does his Keith Emerson
impression right 'tween "can you remember feeling much too close?" and
"stop your hands from shaking" and Mike is doing things I can't explain!
And Ytsejam? Nuff said!
I'll just go out on a limb and give it a 65/35, whatever the fuck that
means :):) Do I hear 40? Going once...going twice....
Disclaimer: I have no idea what the term 'power metal' means :) Is the
intro to "The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun" (before the vocals)
considered power metal? It seems like the electricity there is enough to
power a small town!
Don't know if this has been a thread before. If so, too bad :)
I was thinking about (parts of) songs that would be worthy of receiving
the "Lighter Treatment" at the concert. HY,TAMP and AL are obvious
choices off FII,. "justdan", in #ytsejam, mentioned the part in ToT
where they've just finished going nutz and James is singing "Welcome to
the wasteland," and I agree...
Ok, this just in, another misheard lyric:
It's all about June, not May...
Just noticed Jon Finn's URL has the index.html added onto it now, making
the new URL: http://www.tiac.net/users/jonfinn/index.html .... Please
make a note of it :) And even better, he's got a new sample up there!
Solve for t:
DT(t-10) > FW(t-8)
:)
Regards,
Jon
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| Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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"If you let the system beat you long enough, eventually it'll get
tired."
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 13:58:07 -0500
From: Paul Drapeau <drapeau@cs.uri.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: One Way, WDADU?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971203185807.006c9264@cs.uri.edu>
> I was in a CD place and I saw something interesting. They had
> a copy of WDADU, which was different than the 2 other copies
> I had. For one, the record company was One-Way Records, which
> I had never heard of. The back cover had the pictures of the
> band that's inside on the other ones I have.
>
I too own this CD... until this post I was unaware anything was "different"
about it... Anyone else have any information??? Now I am curious...
-Paul
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:51:54 -0500 (EST)
From: KillMary <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: PL Crap?
Message-ID: <199712031851.NAA03212@camel8.mindspring.com>
>Am I the only Jammer who is still being blown away by the number of cool
>choruses on Queensryches HitNF ???????????????????????? This album is a
>real return to form after the crap of Promised Land ( Lady Jane--My Arse)
Ummmmmm no. I love Promised Land. A lot of people I know (especially
die-hard DT and Marillion fans) think it's the best CD QR ever put out. And
though I like HitNF, to me it has a "rushed" feel to it, as if the
arrangements weren't complete yet when they recorded the CD. Very good
songs, but the sounds and the arrangements aren't as good as what they've
released before.
I don't want to create a QR war, I just wanted to come out and say that a
lot of us think Promised Land is NOT crap.
K.
"Four billion years within our ears, still hatred brings as many tears" -
Queensr=FFche, sp00L
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:53:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Under a Glass Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: X-giving vs. Xmas
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.971203134645.10260A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Pat says:
> >> It means we get together with our families, eat turkeys, and
> >> watch (American) football. Or something like that. :)
> >
> > Isn't that what Christmas is all about? :-)
>
> No, at Christmas we eat ham. :)
NO, NOT HAM, YOU FAT FUCK!!!! :)
Sorry, South Park flashback...heh heh.
Disclaimer: This statement was not meant to insinuate that Pat is fat; nor
is the previous accidental rhyme meant to impersonate the works of Dr.
Seuss.
Looking forward to meeting all you crazy Ytses at the FW show on the 14th
and the DT show on the 16th. Just look for the weirdo in the Santa hat...
Cheers,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
Tech Support, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
Currently playing: Trans-Siberian Orchestra -- "Christmas Eve and Other
Stories"
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 19:56:57 +0100
From: Emerald <elkloost@students.cs.ruu.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Emerald's Guitarpage
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971203195657.0091cc20@pop.students.cs.ruu.nl>
Hi there!
This is the first time I'm writing to you guys, I have to you have
a pretty cool thing goin' on 'ere, I just love DT! Unfortunately,
I have very little time to write with you guys, and sometimes I
don't even have time to read all of your letters (I know, I guess
I should pretty much be ashamed of myself). Last week, I spent
most of my time making a homepage, or actually, it was a project
for college. Anyway, since the content was really up to yourself,
I kind of made a guitarpage out of it. I'm putting new lessons and
licks on here every two weeks, be sure to drop by sometime...
As I mentioned before, I have very little time right now, couple
of deadlines coming up 'n all that, but if anybody would like
to write to me, or comment me about my homepage, please do,
I'll be sure to write back.
http://www.students.cs.ruu.nl/~elkloost
Emerald
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:08:24 -0600 (CST)
From: NUPRIN <nuprin@huey.squashduck.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: X-Files Movie (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971203140646.937A-100000@huey.squashduck.com>
Just went and saw Alien Resurrection (which kinda sucked dick), and the
best part of the outing was seeing the previews for Titanic and the
X-Files movie. Both look very cool. NUPE
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:12:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: powermad-eternity x
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971203140017.4429K-100000@bdmserver>
I decided to post this to the list since Eternity-X has been discussed
here and may or may not be a prog band. My comments at the end.
]From OUAS (a hard rock/metal newsletter):
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**Press release from Keith Sudano of ETERNITY X:
I would like to apologize to everyone about the Powermad 1997 show in
Baltimore, Maryland. We had been offered a spot on Saturday, Nov. 29 but
were unable to accept. Among other things, we had obligations elsewhere,
but the fact that we had only 45 minutes, there were stage restrictions
(setup amount, prop size), among other things I felt it was not in
anyone's best interest in relevance to the show we demand putting on. As
some of you know, our stage show is quite acrobatic and we use the whole
room; this would not be allowed at the Powermad. I also realized there
were people from Europe who insisted on traveling here to see us and I
felt to do a 45-minute show after a 8-hour voyage made no sense.
If we had more time I am sure we would have done the show. At this time
we are planning a few shows (the way they should be). I promise you we
will make this up to you, you will not regret traveling to our shows as we
are very picky about all contingencies that go along with it. We require
at least 1 1/2 hours if we are going to make people travel that far, and
we demand they walk out saying "Holy Christ!"
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I have to say "what an A-hole". I can't believe this guy thinks Eternity
X is better than all the other bands that played at Powermad. The Quiet
Room drove from Colorado to Maryland. That is way more than a 8 hour
trek. It was one thing for him to say "we had other obligations" but for
him to go and say the stage and a 45 minute set wasn't good enough but it
was fine for the 20+ bands that did play, really irked me. There were bands
that couldn't play that still made it to the event (like Digital Ruin).
Powermad 1997 was about the music not the stage setup or the set length.
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| Washington Redskins 6-6-1 |
| Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: |
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 11:10:01 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971203111001.008098d0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>> For a really good example of how it sounds, there is a Wynton
>>Marsalis CD called "Carnaval" where he plays a song for 4:10 or so,
>>seemingly without taking a breath.
>
>Wynton's never really been known for using circular breathing. I suspect
>the reason that it sounds that way is that he's such a master of phrasing
>that you don't notice his breathing.
This is a good theory, but is untrue. Wyton is known for ANYTHING
regarding the trumpet : ) Wynton does in fact use circular breathing on
this track, entitled Moto Perpetuo Op. 11, and it lasts for 4:30. I can
tell you as a player for 10 years that he does NOT take a breath in the
traditional sense. If you listen, the piece is just one long string of
16th notes. To take a traditional breath, at least one note would have to
be left out, but after studying this piece MANY times, he doesnt miss a
note. Plus, if you listen closely, there are slight fluctuations in the
support of his tone, a problem inherant in circular breathing.
Pretty amazing, coordinating the c.breathing with the notes.
>Circular breathing is really just a parlor trick anyway. Phrasing is such
>an important part of a good jazz player's style that most wouldn't do it
>even if they could.
I could agree with this, although phrasing is important in ANY form of
music, not just jazz.
Allright, for what its worth...And Wynton's Carnival of Venice is a
wondserful CD for you classical buffs, for a real display of Wynton's
infinite talent...
Jon
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:35:27 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: One-way records
Message-ID: <v01520d04b0ab55f46170@[205.134.227.71]>
Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> wrote:
>I was in a CD place and I saw something interesting. They had a copy of
>>WDADU, which was different than the 2 other copies I had. For one, the
>>record company was One-Way Records, which I had never heard of. The back
>>cover had the pictures of the band that's inside on the other ones I
>have.
I have never seen this cd in the record stores before but I know that
One-Way records (New York) do re-release many of progressive cds that are
hard to find or out of print. I have somes cd from One way records. The
sound quality is okay, not bad.
Regards,
AE
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 15:25:14 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FNM (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971203152514.007c8cf0@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
Last night I saw a song from Faith no More on that 12 angry viewers
show (yes I watch it sometimes....it is one of the few places you can
hear new music), anyways, they played a song from FNM with the word
Ashes in the title. I was wondering if anyone has the "Album of the
year", and what they thought of it. I really liked the song, and to
interest me more, all of the morons on the show hated it.
Thanks,
Josh
**I have 'Album of the Year' and it's great. I love this album... I would
recommend it to anyone who likes prog with a strange twist. This album is
well thought out and has a great sound. I would also recommend:
Angel Dust
The Real Thing (a pop-ish kind of funk-prog)
The others I really didn't enjoy. But, that's not to say that you won't.
I would also recommend Mr. Bungle. Which is another band that reminds me a
hell of a lot of FNM.*****
Later, J
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:32:45 -0600
From: "Mr. Matt" <MattG@apqc.org>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ProgMetal Cliches
Message-ID: <01BCFFF8.531FDA60.MattG@apqc.org>
Hehe. Good thread to jump in on.
My ProgMetal Cliches list:
1. Songs with obscure references to mythological/quasi-historic events
(e.g. Flight of Icarus at the Battle of Rivendell).
2. Song titles that sound like the first "movement" to a much larger work
that *never* gets recorded *anywhere* (e.g. Titan's Requiem, pt. I, Scene
4).
3. Hand-painted CD covers from starving artists (surely someone they know
owns a computer and Photoshop, right?)
4. Elaborate band logos that probably took longer to design than most of
the music.
That's it for now. Please remember this is strictly tongue-in-cheek. I've
intentionally not mentioned any specific band, so no need to get offended.
:)
Matt Gonzales
AKA "Mr. Matt"
AKA "Genghis"
MattG@apqc.org
Any disagreements can be settled in a Deathmatch at your convenience :)
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:52:56 -0600 (CST)
From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: One Way Record rerelease of WDADU
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.971203144805.3352E-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
I have 2 copies of WDADU. One is the rerelease on One Way Records with
band member pictures on back and no lyrics in the liners. The other was
an import from Germany which is the original version (?) (I think) on
Mechanic Records. It has the full liners with lyrics and everything. The
sound seems to be exactly the same on both releases.
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| Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away |
| rctaylor@uiuc.edu Almost as if it cannot be saved |
| The Phoenix Will we be able to rise |
| From these ashes we've sown |
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 12:51:19 -0800
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971203125119.00697dec@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
>From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
>Subject: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
> Well, what is the meaning of the Thanksgiving holidays for you
>people in the US?
> []s very curious, Roger...
Well Roger, as with any traditional holiday, the original meaning is
usually lost over the years. Many people will tell you about the Pilgrims
in America, giving thanks for a good harvest and just plain surviving. But
here's the real story:
For humans living in the upper northern hemisphere, where there is a
definite winter to hibernate through, evolution has dictated that there is
an optimum time for reproduction. Let's call this the "Month of Love". Of
course humans can reproduce at any time, but this is the best time. The MOL
starts with the Halloween celebration, and ends with Thanksgiving. Human
hormones run wild during this month, most likely triggered by the number of
hours of daylight per day. People who do not have a partner find themselves
compelled to go searching for a mate. People who are in relationships
become discontent, and either want a greater commitment, or want a new
partner. During the MOL, people get together and break up at an exceptional
rate. Most people can cite examples of this in their own lives.
So by the time Thanksgiving arrives, either you have settled with someone,
or you spend the winter alone.
The number of hours of daylight that trigger hormones occurs again near
Valentines Day (early February), when the amount of daylight is increasing.
The effect is not as great during this period, but you will see a rise in
breakups and couplings during that time.
The moral of the story: The best time to get lucky all year is during the
MOL. How did everyone make out?
adios, BH ;-)
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 16:00:51 -0500
From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
To: Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net>, Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: For Floridian DT fans
Message-ID: <3485C883.6222BD63@bu.edu>
I got this from ticketmaster's web page:
MASQUERADE PRESENTS
DREAM THEATER
* * * * *
THE MASQUERADE
1503 E 7TH AVE-YBOR CITY
WED DEC 17 1997 7:00PM
This is right Tampa if you've never heard of Ybor City.
Isaac
-- "It sounds diminished ... but it's not"- John Petrucci------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 16:01:01 -0500 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net>, Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: For Floridian DT fans Message-ID: <3485C88C.6B8BC0D8@bu.edu>
I got this from ticketmaster's web page:
MASQUERADE PRESENTS DREAM THEATER * * * * * THE MASQUERADE 1503 E 7TH AVE-YBOR CITY WED DEC 17 1997 7:00PM
This is right Tampa if you've never heard of Ybor City.
Isaac -- "It sounds diminished ... but it's not"- John Petrucci
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:11:17 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311 Message-ID: <v01530503b0ab71a71910@[209.50.100.121]>
About the One Way Records release of WDaDU, This must be the release after they decided to start making it again. (just a guess, cause that's the one I have) Originally I had two of the cassettes in 1990 but don't remember what was written on them or what the company was. After both of them were stolen (one was a replacement for the other) I couldn't buy it again for another four years.
>>The phrase "Dream Theater has released its new album" just sounds totally >>wrong to me. >>"DT have released their new album" seems much more natural.
I agree here. (and I'm from the States) How much of this goes on? I've never noticed it.
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