YTSEJAM Digest 3315
Today's Topics:
1) DT in Philly?
by Joe Marshaleck <K4HB@Maristb.MARIST.EDU>
2) Tolien/Lewis references in prog
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET>
3) WDADU $10.99
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
4) Just a male prostitute, eh?
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
5) Re:prog-metal cliches
by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3314
by "Timothy P. Shough" <hounddog@nji.com>
7) Iced Earth (and a Message to Mike Ostrich), Megadeth
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
8) Re: NDTC (Month o' Love)
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
9) Enhants 6:00 rip off
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311
by Loren Caler <lcaler@flash.net>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3312
by Loren Caler <lcaler@flash.net>
12) interesting thing...
by "Stephanie Beaulieu" <serenawiththepic@hotmail.com>
13) Spirit of Xmas
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
14) Re: Savatage (HOR)
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
15) Guitars....
by Mohamed Gaffoor <gaffoomo@UMDNJ.EDU>
16) Iced Earth, MOL
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 19:05:55 EST
From: Joe Marshaleck <K4HB@Maristb.MARIST.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT in Philly?
Message-ID: <03DEC97.20626792.0117.MUSIC@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU>
hey, what is the deal with the Dream Theater concert in Philly? is it
still taking place on December 14th? if so, where?
joe
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:18:49 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tolien/Lewis references in prog
Message-ID: <199712040024.SAA29297@Walden.MO.NET>
Okay, I've been meaning to post this for some time, but never did get
around to it. Anyway, I've been wanting to know if anyone could give
me any info on any bands (prog or not, even though most would fall
into the prog genre)/songs/etc. that have references to works by
J.R.R. Tolkien or C.S. Lewis (i.e. King's X's Out of the Silent
Planet). I don't care how cliche, cheesy, or cool it may be. It's
more for research purposes than entertainment. Please e-mail me
privately. Thanks.
Dale R. Newberry
"Do not give me any of that Zen and some art of
motorcycle maintenance stuff. Just ride your bike."
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:52:16 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WDADU $10.99
Message-ID: <v01520d00b0aba0ede51c@[205.134.227.131]>
I just visited at the one-way records homapage.
http://www.artist-shop.com/oneway/
They have WDADU at $10.99.
Regards,
AE
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 19:50:01 -0500
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Just a male prostitute, eh?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971204005001.0069d3ec@pop.pipeline.com>
Some scientific wonder asked:
>> How did everyone make out?
Merlo responded:
>Like a pro, from what I was told. :)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough
Is that your going price, Chris?
Now that you are a professional gigalo...
Live homosexual men, tonight at William and Mary ;-)
CD of the moment: Soundscape - Discovery
<<www.angelthorne.com>> - check out the .wavs
Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat - Detroit Red Wings
10-3 17-6-5
at Buccaneers at Flames
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 19:56:37 -0500
From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:prog-metal cliches
Message-ID: <3485FFC4.494D0AD6@disknet.com>
> Progmetal Cliche List
> 1. CD covers with a cross, usually Celtic, broken, buried, or
> otherwise defaced.
> 2. Band photos with members wearing pirate or puffy shirts.
> 3. Lyrics about house parts i.e. doors, windows, mirrors, etc
> 4. Song titles or lyrics including the word "Babylon". Also
> anything else ending in "on". (Carry on, Hold on, etc.)
> 5. CD catalogs comparing everything to DT or QR.
>
> That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
> Feel free to add to it, and play nice!
Let's see there are so many.......
6. Songs telling us to look deep inside ourselves to solve all the worlds and our
own problems.
7. Songs with multi-part titles (either with several titles within a single song or
a song in several parts or acts).
8. The term "virtuosity" applied to every prog review.
9. Concept albums (even if I do love them)!
10. Lyrics containing as many 4 and 5-syllable words as possible.
11. This sentence at the beginning of a prog album review or advertisement, "This
band has a devoted, almost cult-like, fan base............"
Remember, boys and girls, its all in good prog-fan fun!
~Matt
NP: King Diamond: The Eye
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 20:07:19 -0800
From: "Timothy P. Shough" <hounddog@nji.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3314
Message-ID: <34862C77.7026@nji.com>
Hey, kids!
> In a message dated 97-12-03 09:47:42 EST, Antti wrote:
>
> << in the near future would get him a videotape of the much-touted
> fight between the Heavyweight Champion of Arizona, Mike Bahr,
> and (in the red corner) The CD-Shop Robber, a.k.a. "Raise the Knife".
I can't wait for the rematch...I hear it's going to be called "Scarred".
Good job, Mike! I respectfully ask that you refrain from such
shenanigans until we all have our copies of the Lie single. :)
Get well soon, and...uh...enjoy the holidays?
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:11:39 -0600
From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Iced Earth (and a Message to Mike Ostrich), Megadeth
Message-ID: <l03130300b0abb0714ff2@[128.252.105.105]>
I just found a CD by Iced Earth and I Almost bought it. The reason I
didn't is because they looked (and I seem to remember them being death
metally. I like prog metal but I just can't get into the death style
vocals. Somebody recommended a Death (Human, I think) album and I couldn't
stand it. gave it to some dude in australia for free. Can anybosy help me
with describing these guys? The CD is supposedly inspired by a comic book.
To Mike,
Have you got the money I sent you for the Echolyn tapes yet?
Megadeth,
I'm glad to see the discussion of DT/Megadeth connections. I think
Megadeth walks a line between experimentalthrash/quality metal/and prog.
Cryptic Writings is brilliant as well as Marty's new solo album (it's his
best one yet, absolutely amazing). I like the keyboards on Cryptic
Writings and I'd like to see Megadeth bring a full time boardist on board.
An interesting Megadeth story. I used to take guitar lessons (I play bass
but I thought that guitar might help with my songwriting) fro a guy in
Joplin, Missouri named Johny Rose. The dude has got to be around fifty and
is an sbsolute smoking guitar player. When Megadeth came into town for the
Reckoning Day tour Marty did a clinic and challanged the best guitar player
in Joplin (Johny Rose) to a duel. Johny kicked his ass (though he was
sweating and was working his ass off) Marty just shook his head and after
the duel he was wandering around the store looking for Rose to ask how he
got so good. Pretty cool.
PS-the remix of Almost Honest on the Mortal Combat soundtrack SUCKS. I
can't believe Megadeth let that jerk turn a great song into second rate
techno bullshit. And that song is the first single from the soundtrack! Oh
well, at least it's good publicity for Mustaine and crew.
As to whoever said that they learned guitar parts to other people songs and
felt that they could then write similar stuff I'd have to give a big maybe.
I play a lot of piano parts by Bach on my bass (6 string) but I'm not shure
that I could write something that would stick around for hundreds of years.
Thanx,
Seth
Seth Hatlelid
srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html
"Can't we just all get along?" -Satan, Milton's Paradise Lost
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 17:22:35 -0800
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: NDTC (Month o' Love)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971203172235.006a0044@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
>Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 16:54:05 -0500
>From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
>
>> partner. During the MOL, people get together and break up at an exceptional
>> rate. Most people can cite examples of this in their own lives.
>
>*Wow* that's freaky. Do you have scientific evidence to back this up? As I
>think back through the years (including this one), this is frighteningly
>accurate.
No scientific evidence. The MOL theory is based on empirical observation.
I would need to submit a thesis and design a statistical study to confirm
it. Maybe get a government grant for the study. Actually, I might be able
to design a scientific study using human guinea pigs. Would need to
control their exposure to light, and objectively measure their "horniness"
quotient. ;-)
BH
P.s. Great Expectations and other "dating services" already know about this
effect. They always flood you with junk mail in November and then again in
February.
>------------------------------
>From: "The Silent Man" <8of9@startreklane.com>
>
>>> How did everyone make out?
>
>
>Well, does a divorce count?
>
>BrianK
Does Howdy Doody have a wooden ass?
(Sorry to hear it though, it can be tough, or maybe a relief.)
BH
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>From: Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de>
>Subject: Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
>
>>The moral of the story: The best time to get lucky all year is during the
>>MOL. How did everyone make out?
>
>Cute working hypothesis :-)
>I don't know if this ever has been empirically checked w/ societies like
>Inuit or Chukchi -?
I don't get up there much. Might be a good idea to go to a bar there on a
weekend in mid-November and see how crowded it is. And how friendly the
people are.
>I'm in like Dec/Jan... I've also been told that r'ships started in
>winter turned out to be more stable... which I'm quite lucky to be able to
>confirm
>
>Heike
Actually this may help the theory! A relationship started when hormones
are at a low point may be more stable. The relationship would have to be
based more on real compatibility and affection. Not just hormone crazed
humans bumping into each other.
I forgot to mention the that relationships started in the MOL hormone phase
tend to be of the 9 1/2 week variety. Very passionate at the start, but
they fizzle quickly. Would make sense if the people are acting out of a
primal, hormonal urge. Most animals that only mate during these MOL-type
periods tend to avoid the opposite sex for the rest of the year.
BH
>----------------------
>> So by the time Thanksgiving arrives, either you have settled with someone,
>> or you spend the winter alone.
>
>You have no idea how depressed I just got. Where's SDV when you need it?
>
> Richie
Don't worry. Skiing, drinking and a cozy cabin can make up for the lost
hormones. Provided you can talk them into the trip in the first place.
BH
P.s. Sorry about the totally NDTC
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:30:43 -0600
From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enhants 6:00 rip off
Message-ID: <l03130301b0abb74eeca9@[128.252.105.105]>
I've never heard the Enchant song, nor have I ever liked 6:00 but I'm
assuming everyone is talkking about he cloning of the opening riff. This
is actually a fairyly common riff as I heard Flea play it while jamming on
his instuctional video. It's just one of those riffs that everyone and
there uncle comes up with. Like AC/DC riffs are the DNA Double helix
ta-ta
To however is seeing Megadeth on Saturday, I hate you *-) (oops, that's a
weird smiley-kinda Kurt Cobainish-run, duck, hide)
Thanx,
Seth
Seth Hatlelid
srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html
"Can't we just all get along?" -Satan, Milton's Paradise Lost
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:45:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Loren Caler <lcaler@flash.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311
Message-ID: <199712040145.TAA03100@endeavor.flash.net>
> OK, TLF. I'm not hugely impressed. I can see why it's not on any of
>the US released alboms. It's an OK DT song, but IMHO it's far from the
>best. The guitar solow remends me of EVH it's almost sick, though I dig
>it. The tone sounds VH, the phrasing is VH, everything. Just me $200.
You should REALLY check out the video version of TLF. If you play guitar or
not (and I play drums), you're going to shit. JP does an amazing solo in
that version. I think it's better on the video than any I've heard so far.
>Last night I saw a song from Faith no More on that 12 angry viewers
>show (yes I watch it sometimes....it is one of the few places you can
>hear new music), anyways, they played a song from FNM with the word
>Ashes in the title. I was wondering if anyone has the "Album of the
>year", and what they thought of it. I really liked the song, and to
>interest me more, all of the morons on the show hated it.
>Thanks,
>Josh
I have been into FNM since the "Epic" era and I must say you should check
them out. AotY is REALLY "different". What I mean is that they go through
a variety of styles. Some songs almost sound punkish, while some have
proggish tendancies. I think on the whole, you'll like the album a lot.
Also check out their "big" album "The Real Thing". That's probably they're
best shit.
That's it.....
-Loren
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:50:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Loren Caler <lcaler@flash.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3312
Message-ID: <199712040150.TAA05049@endeavor.flash.net>
>From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
> I was in a CD place and I saw something interesting. They had
> a copy of WDADU, which was different than the 2 other copies
> I had. For one, the record company was One-Way Records, which
> I had never heard of. The back cover had the pictures of the
> band that's inside on the other ones I have.
> Plus, it had the following message (paraphrased): Please note
> that this CD was developed from an analog tape, and may contain
> hissing.
> Anyone have this CD, or know what the deal is with this thing?
That's the copy that I own, I don't know what copies you own. I thought
that the copy I had was the only one out. If there is a better sounding
one, can someone please tell me!?!?!?!
>>I don't know if this is related or not, but it's pretty cool: If you play a
>>note and at the same time hum the 10th through the instrument (the 3rd up an
>>octave), the combination will produce the 5th in addition. One wind
>>instrument player playing a major chord. Fun to do. It's worked for me on
>>trombone and flute.
I had a teacher that could do this once. I can't remember what it's called,
but he did it on a trombone and it sounded REALLY cool.
-Loren
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 17:56:28 PST
From: "Stephanie Beaulieu" <serenawiththepic@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: interesting thing...
Message-ID: <19971204015628.6113.qmail@hotmail.com>
Albert Balkiewicz wrote:
>Anyone have this CD, or know what the deal is with this thing?
Well that's the one I have. I thought it was the one everybody had...
isn't it??
Steph =:)
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:19:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spirit of Xmas
Message-ID: <199712040219.VAA22875@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
> Subject: Re: xmas
>
> "Christmas is still about one very important thing--"
> "Yeah, ham!"
> "No, not ham, you fat f***!!!"
> "Christmas is about something much more important!"
> "What?"
> "Presents!"
> --Spirit Of Christmas
>
Ahh... what a classic... just sorta had to post a reply to this...
If anyone out there hasn;t seen this, and isn't easily offended by
anti religious, anti political correctness, etc should go and download
this right away. There are mirror sites everywhere, with the main one
located at http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~tskirvin/soxmas/ Its well worth
it, get the nice 50MB copy if your on a good connection, get the real
video one if not... :)
I ended up showing this to some people out at work, and with 10 mins
after I showed it to my orig boss, he was off showing it to others...
:) and I can't tell you how many times I have heard the phrases "Dude,
don't say pigf***er in front of Jesus" and "this is pretty f***ed up
right here" used in regular conversation... :)
--
+------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
| A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater |
| will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity |
| --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! |
+------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/
Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:42:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Savatage (HOR)
Message-ID: <199712040242.VAA22903@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:48:34 +0000
> From: someone@prognosis.com
> Subject: Re: One-way records
>
> Here... I'm gonna piss some Savatage fans off: I loved Tage
> for a long time... then HoR came out, and after listening to the
> album several times, I've decided that "Taunting Cobras" is such a
> bad song, that it's actually caused me to like all of music
> less. That someone could write lyrics that annoying... is beyond me.
Well, I sorta agree here, to an extent... I got DWD first, which was
what saved them, but then I got HoR, I got to Taunting Cobras, and was
sorta scared to listen to the rest of the CD, this song seemed soooo
bad, but the rest of hte CD is good... I still skip TC every time I
listen to the CD, though...
Also, someone (I think Merlo) mentioned something about Missing on
Enchant's Wounded sounding like 6:00. Well, I never really noticed it
at first either, but the opening does sound alot like it, especially
the keyboard... but I don't know that its quite as much as what
whoever (again, I think Merlo) said...
--
+------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
| A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater |
| will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity |
| --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! |
+------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/
Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:53:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Mohamed Gaffoor <gaffoomo@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitars....
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.971203101158.22989C-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
Guys,
I'm not sure how on topic this is in relation to DT but it definitely is
on topic in relation to music. I've been thinking about buying a guitar
and learning how to play. I've never played guitar at all (other than
the one or 2 chords a friend of mine taught me a week ago). I've played
some other insturments like piano and sax. Anyway, my friend insists
that to really learn to play well I should first learn on an acoustic.
However, he says that it's easier to learn on an electric and that while
that option is tempting it's better to start with the acoustic. Another
friend of mine just bought an electric and is learning and says that
you're much better off with the electric since you can always make the
electric have and acoustic sound so the electric is more versatile. So
lemme ask you guys, which is better to first learn on, electric or
acoustic? Also, what is a good price to play for a new guitar (either
electric or acoustic) for a beginner. Also, what's a good brand of guitar
(either electric or acoustic) to learn on?
"You must forgive me if I'm up and gone to Carolina in my mind..."
-James Taylor
GO HEELS!!!
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 20:56:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Iced Earth, MOL
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971203203342.4932A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
> I just found a CD by Iced Earth and I Almost bought it. The reason I
> didn't is because they looked (and I seem to remember them being death
> metally. I like prog metal but I just can't get into the death style
> vocals. [...] Can anybosy help me
> with describing these guys? The CD is supposedly inspired by a comic book.
That would be The Dark Saga--based on the Spawn comics. I've got it,
as well as Burnt Offerings from a year earlier.
No, there's no real death vocals on it. The low stuff is whispery, not
growling. There's not much vocal talent to be heard, though. And
Burnt Offerings is a little more death-vocal-ish, but still isn't as
"Cookie Monster" as Death is.
My brother thinks they sound like Gwar, if that helps. Kinda pseudo-
progressive thrash metal. I came to metal music from DT, rather than
vice-versa (as most people here did) so I can't come up with a
comparison of my own. :-(
If it helps, I also bought 'Symbolic' by Death and sold it back to the
used-cd-shop I bought it from because I couldn't hack the vocals. Same
for a Cathedral disc, but I kept the one 'My Dying Bride' disc I bought.
I'd say go back and get it if you can.
------
]From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
>> So by the time Thanksgiving arrives, either you have settled with
>> someone, or you spend the winter alone.
>>
>> How did everyone make out?
> Like a pro, from what I was told. :)
Would that be like the Packers, or like the Colts? ;-)
--Jay "frantically searching the gutters for his mind" Omega
--NP: Iced Earth - The Dark Saga
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