YTSEJAM Digest 3314
Today's Topics:
1) For Floridian DT fans
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
2) Re: One-way records
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
3) Savatage, some "new" cd's
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
4) Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
5) Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
by "The Silent Man" <8of9@startreklane.com>
6) Re: "Raise the Knife"
by MTeiper@aol.com
7) Enchant's "Missing"
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
9) TSO
by WazooDust@aol.com
10) Re: Faith no more (NDTC)
by Derfelt@aol.com
11) Re: prog cliches
by Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de>
12) Re: One-way records
by someone@prognosis.com
13) Re: X-Files Movie (NDTC)
by someone@prognosis.com
14) DT Tape
by WazooDust@aol.com
15) One more way Bahr could be a hero
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
16) Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
by Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de>
17) Re: The Fixx/The Fixins/Mixology/Lighter Material/Jon
by Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de>
18) Re: DT Tape
by bketelsen@earthlink.net
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3313
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 16:01:20 -0500
From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
To: Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net>, Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: For Floridian DT fans
Message-ID: <3485C89F.C3667D2C@bu.edu>
I got this from ticketmaster's web page:
MASQUERADE PRESENTS
DREAM THEATER
* * * * *
THE MASQUERADE
1503 E 7TH AVE-YBOR CITY
WED DEC 17 1997 7:00PM
This is right by Tampa if you've never heard of Ybor City.
Isaac
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:20:47 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: One-way records Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971203191706.21578B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Charoenkwan Luesumphan wrote:
> I have never seen this cd in the record stores before but I know that > One-Way records (New York) do re-release many of progressive cds that are > hard to find or out of print. I have somes cd from One way records. The > sound quality is okay, not bad.
But it doesn't have the lyrics, which I hate (I hate the new CD's by "that" band because they don't carry the lyrics anymore and I have some problems following the fast vocal passages of some songs --- I'm not entirely used to English).
My only salvation: the Unofficial songbook, that contains even the samples. :-) (Of course, this isn't the case with "that" band --- BTW, have you noticed how Mr. Ptacek isn't complaining that people are talking about "the latest release" of "that" band? I think that he has some kind of problems with their name... :-) ).
> Regards, > AE
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 05:46:18 -0200 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: Freaks R Us <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Savatage, some "new" cd's Message-ID: <347A824A.E62A3C74@geocities.com>
Hey ye jammanoids!!! As I said, I spent some money on CD's some days ago... :) Got some old stuff I did not have yet. Needless to say (it happens everytime I get one of their albuns), Savatage's Handful of Rain seem to be stuck in the player. :) Hearing it reminds me of when I was waiting in the theater for the Stratovarius' show, and they started to play some videos... one of them was a live Savatage performance. It really drew my jaws to the ground: while the guys were walking in the backstage going to the stage, "Visions" was being played (incredible tune, BTW), and then they start the concert with "Taunting Cobras"... man, I wish all concerts had an entrance like that. :) Too bad they only played "Taunting Cobras" there. Then they put some Gamma Ray's videos. Anyway, HoR is a very good album. As all the other Sava albuns I have. :)
The other albuns were: Deep Purple's "Burn", Vai's "Passion and Warfare", Stratovarius' "Dreamspace" and Queensryche's "Rage for Order". I won't say about those, as they are prety old albuns. (Well, Dreamspace is about as old as HoR, but I really loved HoR. :) )
Talking about Queensryche... their show (+Megadeth, +Whitesnake) is Saturday, any jammerz going there (field area...hehehe. :) ), drop a line!!! -- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 16:54:05 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC) Message-ID: <199712032154.QAA22930@stimpy.cs.wm.edu>
> partner. During the MOL, people get together and break up at an exceptional > rate. Most people can cite examples of this in their own lives. > > So by the time Thanksgiving arrives, either you have settled with someone, > or you spend the winter alone.
*Wow* that's freaky. Do you have scientific evidence to back this up? As I think back through the years (including this one), this is frighteningly accurate.
> How did everyone make out?
Like a pro, from what I was told. :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:13:08 -0700 From: "The Silent Man" <8of9@startreklane.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC) Message-ID: <001301bd0038$a33e0040$070325a6@csp03996.cs.mci.com>
>> How did everyone make out?
Well, does a divorce count?
BrianK
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:28:48 -0500 (EST) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: "Raise the Knife" Message-ID: <971203172847_1881552717@mrin45.mail.aol.com>
Hey -
In a message dated 97-12-03 09:47:42 EST, Antti wrote:
<< in the near future would get him a videotape of the much-touted fight between the Heavyweight Champion of Arizona, Mike Bahr, and (in the red corner) The CD-Shop Robber, a.k.a. "Raise the Knife". >>
LOL!!! "Raise the Knife".... that's perfect! I love it!!
BTW... hope you are on the mend, Mike!
Peace... Matt T.
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 17:30:32 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Enchant's "Missing" Message-ID: <199712032230.RAA23056@stimpy.cs.wm.edu>
Holy shit! I don't know if I haven't been paying enough attention to Enchant's album "Wounded", or if I always turn it off by track 9, or what. But if I were DT, I would sue the balls off of Enchant for ripping off "6:00." I mean, if anyone in that band ever dares to say "Yeah, it's similar to 6:00, but I wouldn't call it a rip off" you should back away in case the lightning comes.
Now, I like Enchant, and I don't mean to start another "They're a DT clone band" thread, because I don't think they are. At least, I didn't until I heard this track. Now I think I may have to listen to everything else a little more critically. Thoughts? Nipples?
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:28:36 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311 Message-ID: <199712032228.RAA21227@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > About the One Way Records release of WDaDU, This must be the release after > they decided to start making it again. (just a guess, cause that's the one > I have) Originally I had two of the cassettes in 1990 but don't remember > what was written on them or what the company was. After both of them were > stolen (one was a replacement for the other) I couldn't buy it again for > another four years. >
If they re-released it, would it also have the copyright year of its re-release? The copyright on it says 1989, if I'm not mistaken............ just wondering...........
-Al
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:28:07 -0500 (EST) From: WazooDust@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TSO Message-ID: <971203172807_1116226285@mrin42.mail.aol.com>
I was in Best Buy looking around yesterday, and they played TSO over the PA !!! It gave me a nice attitude towards the store and there were some cool tunes being played, so I figured I'd get it right!.... They don't have it in stock!!! NRM's got it though... I'll get it this wknd... (yea!)
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:37:53 -0500 (EST) From: Derfelt@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Faith no more (NDTC) Message-ID: <971203173752_-421817453@mrin46.mail.aol.com>
I have the latest Faith No More album, and while it does kick ass profoundly, it's a bit too short. It's still great music. The video you saw was for "Ashes To Ashes". You are one lucky bastard for having seen it, as I've never seen it.
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 23:39:30 +0100 From: Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: prog cliches Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971203233930.007b1960@mail.netcologne.de>
.. Trevor W. Hoit ... >> Question, why does every damned prog guitarist use the phrase where >>you play a note, go up a half step, and go a fifth above that? Jesus! >>It's as clicie as many of the blues phrases which are still played to >>death by blues guitarists. Sure, use the phrase, but don't let it stand >>alone anymore, goddammit!!!!! Add some notes. No me gustan las clicies.
Yeah, sounds way too sweetish... to get the honey out of your auditory canal develop your own cliches, e.g. replace the (prefect) fifth by a (perfect) fourth, or even a tritonus, and/or use an augmented fifth and from there go to the (major) sixth... and/or use symmetrical scales like half-whole- and whole-half-tone... alas I can't recommend a set of 16 self-help cassettes to listen to while driving your car, but good examples how to use the latter are provided e.g. by Vernon Reid...
>Prog-metal cliches is a thread I've wanted to start for a while. <snip>
This is hilarious... you should consider posting it to alt-something-uh...tasteless, too!! <hehehe> :-)
But again it depends on what you make out of it... you also can write pretty shallow lyrics of the "finally finding peace of mind if not achieving enlightenment" type, you can write dark stuff just b/c you think morbid thoughts were hip instead of *authetically* feeling it... same w/ the SF and phantasy type of lyrics... an eldritch riding on a Babylonian unicorn through the ivory gates of perception <phht!>...
Heike
Encore: also give it a shot w/ the following of my favorite scales [notated as starting from C just for convenience] (from my "Book of Shadows" <ha ha...>):
for the ascending use C Db E F# {Ab>G}* Ab B C', descending: C' B Ab G F E Db C (a combination of two Indian scales called Bhairavi That and Shri That I "invented" for my own piece "Two Moons" [oh... another cliche])
for the ascending use C Db Eb F# {Ab>G}* Ab B C', descending: C' Bb Ab G F# Eb Db C (a modification of Todi That -- the unmodified variant I've only so far heard in a prog context in some collective improvisation by Between, the former band of Robert Detree and Peter Michael Hamel, who now occasionally plays w/ Embryo)
*_never_ "dissolve" F# into G, always go directly from F# to Ab and then back to G -- this is not functional but modal harmonics, and there are no leading tones.
NP: Drumssounds & Play-Alongs, Praxis-Workshop mit Manni von Bohr (I seem to develop into a workaholic...)
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:48:34 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: One-way records Message-ID: <199712032243.OAA27021@odin.ax.com>
> My only salvation: the Unofficial songbook, that contains even the > samples. :-) (Of course, this isn't the case with "that" band --- BTW, > have you noticed how Mr. Ptacek isn't complaining that people are talking > about "the latest release" of "that" band? I think that he has some kind > of problems with their name... :-) ).
Finals and stuff. Don't worry. You can still kiss my ass :) Here... I'm gonna piss some Savatage fans off: I loved Tage for a long time... then HoR came out, and after listening to the album several times, I've decided that "Taunting Cobras" is such a bad song, that it's actually caused me to like all of music less. That someone could write lyrics that annoying... is beyond me. The only reason that I don't make fun of Savatage more than I do, is that I bought an Elegy album, and they deserve more of my rage for their wretched, wretched lyrics than you can imagine. In fact, I think if we all got together and put on an Elegy album, we could settle all of our differences and be united in a spasmodic, foamy, acidic evil. How can you have a band with musicians AND a drummer and vocalist (Hehehe) that incredibly talented, that stands behind lyrics so completely awful?
I will stop venting now.
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:06:56 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: X-Files Movie (NDTC) Message-ID: <199712032302.PAA27250@odin.ax.com>
> Just went and saw Alien Resurrection (which kinda sucked dick), and the
As my friend said, furiously after we marched out of the theater:
"That movie has every cliche except plot."
I know this doesn't belong here, but I'm trying to save you each $8. Wait for the video. I saw it at 2 really good theaters, and the sound sucked at both. The movie is awful.
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:08:16 -0500 (EST) From: WazooDust@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Tape Message-ID: <971203180816_1639721268@mrin41.mx>
I'm trying to get a freind interested in DT and some other things, I'll probably be able to put 3-4 by DT on the tape. I'm thinking "Scarred", but get lost w to many other favs from there. Any help would be appreciated. E-mail me at Wazoodust@aol.com Thanks Dave
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:09:15 -0500 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: One more way Bahr could be a hero Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971203230915.006926e8@pop.pipeline.com>
He could send me my King's X cd, for one. I sent him private e-mail, and received no answer. I guess he was too busy saving the world ;-0
CD of the Day: The Quiet Room - Introspect
Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat - Detroit Red Wings 10-3 17-6-5 at Buccaneers at Flames
Kevin
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 00:24:04 +0100 From: Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971204002404.007ca100@mail.netcologne.de>
.. Brian Hansen ... >Well Roger, as with any traditional holiday, the original meaning is >usually lost over the years. Many people will tell you about the Pilgrims >in America, giving thanks for a good harvest and just plain surviving. But >here's the real story: > >For humans living in the upper northern hemisphere, where there is a >definite winter to hibernate through, evolution has dictated that there is >an optimum time for reproduction. Let's call this the "Month of Love". Of <snip> > >The moral of the story: The best time to get lucky all year is during the >MOL. How did everyone make out?
Cute working hypothesis :-)
I don't know if this ever has been empirically checked w/ societies like Inuit or Chukchi -?
Just that I for one provide some counterevidence as w/ the current r'ship I'm in it was like Dec/Jan... I've also been told that r'ships started in winter turned out to be more stable... which I'm quite lucky to be able to confirm (the only thing I'm suffering from that currently it's a long-distance r'ship and I can't afford flying over to Baltimore too often <sigh>)... so no need for pessimism :-)
Heike
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 00:11:18 +0100 From: Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The Fixx/The Fixins/Mixology/Lighter Material/Jon Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971204001118.007c7500@mail.netcologne.de>
.. Jon Parmet ... >> They hosted a dinner for themselves and the Native Americans > >The ones they didn't slaughter, that is :\
Back in those very early days it probably had been all those Eastern Algonquian societies who easily could have gotten rid of them, they weren't those Spanish conquistadores... w/out being supported by Natives they simply hadn't survived their first winter... and many regretted that they were patient w/ them way too long to only have their hospitality exploited (politely speaking here).
It's also less of a harvest festival as celebrated by European Christians, too, though w/out turkey and cranberry sauce... but stands in the context of the big two Common Algic ceremonies (actually there still are parallely organized ceremonies in Siberia e.g. w/ the Evenk!! as it indeed is historically deep-rooted in a sense that Europeans & Euro-Americans can't even dream of...), one held in spring (out of which the Plains Sundance emerged), one in fall... though obviously this was too difficult to understand to them... (and I won't talk :-))
Kitaakitamattsinohpowaawa,
Heike (wiping tears off my eyes)
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 16:49:00 -0700 From: bketelsen@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT Tape Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971203164900.00929b00@mail.earthlink.net>
I have exactly the same situation, when you help Dave, copy me:
At 03:22 PM 12/3/97 -0800, you wrote: > >I'm trying to get a freind interested in DT and some other things, I'll >probably be able to put 3-4 by DT on the tape. I'm thinking "Scarred", but >get lost w to many other favs from there. Any help would be appreciated. > E-mail me at Wazoodust@aol.com > Thanks > Dave > >
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:59:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3313 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971203185546.63622A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > So by the time Thanksgiving arrives, either you have settled with someone, > or you spend the winter alone.
You have no idea how depressed I just got. Where's SDV when you need it?
Richie
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:07:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3311 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971203185928.63622B-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> > >The only band I've ever seen at The Outer Edge fairly recently was... (y'all > >are gonna laugh...) ...RATT!!! Don't blame me, Vaiman talked me into going > >;) Actually it wasn't all that bad, except Robin Crosby wasn't with them. > > In case you were wondering what happened to Robin Crosby the last I knew he > was playing in a band called Rumbledog. It had a former member, Hendrick > Ostergaard, of Dirty Looks (1988 band on Atlantic) and couple other > musicians. Rumbledog recorded a release about 3 years ago at Mirror > Records in Rochester, NY. Don't know if they are still together or not. > Actually, something else has happpened to Robin Crosby. It's a health thing.
> Yeah - does anybody remember Arcade from a few years ago - I think that he > was in that band too. > I saw them open up for Bon Jovi in L.A. on the Keep The Faith tour. Pearcy really didn't impress me. He had one of those half mic stands (ala Freddie Mercury) and just spent the whole pumping it over his head like he was lifting weights or something. Their material was pretty bland as well. They put out two albums, the self-titled and "A2." The only Arcade song I remember was the one which Pearcy made the crowd sing "Well, if you ain't got nothin', you've got nothin' to lose." A very fitting theme for that band. As far as RATT goes, they were never one of my favorite bands but they had a couple decent songs: "Way Cool, Jr.," "Lovin' You's A Dirty Job," "Body Talk," and, of course, "Round And Round."
Richie
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