YTSEJAM Digest 3310
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3309
by Einstein H Zappa <afn39111@afn.org>
2) Big Wreck on Rockline!
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
3) Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
4) The BIG "b"
by zeus@olymp.com
5) Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
6) Merry Axemas, other X-mas music: NDTC
by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
7) Liveconcerts archive!!
by Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
8) CB and woodwinds
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
9)
by "Stephanie Beaulieu" <serenawiththepic@hotmail.com>
10) Fates in Atlanta. Well, Marietta.
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
11) Re: Atlanta / Outer Edge FW show
by "Brian P. Kelley" <bpkelley@mindspring.com>
12) Re: Watrous
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET>
13) Re: Trust and DT
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
14) Re: hollow years single
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
15) Atlanta/Marietta Fatez show
by "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <wfoll@america.net>
16) Megadeth and Dream Theater...two complementary bands
by "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <wfoll@america.net>
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:15:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Einstein H Zappa <afn39111@afn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3309
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.971202201027.95228A-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
> Circular breathingis nothing more than a novelty. Unless Im playing
Unless you are playing the digeridoo, in which case it is required.
> Whatever...Watrous rocks though. Saw him do this concerto for two
> trombones by himself using a crazy humming technique exclusive to brass
> that i know is REALLY hard. Amazing player.
I don't know if this is related or not, but it's pretty cool: If you play a
note and at the same time hum the 10th through the instrument (the 3rd up an
octave), the combination will produce the 5th in addition. One wind
instrument player playing a major chord. Fun to do. It's worked for me on
trombone and flute.
[ There has only been one thing in my life worth living for,
[ So it would take a true genius to fuck it up.
[ Call me Einstein Hawkings Tolkien Heraclitus Darwin PKD Zappa.
[ (http://www.afn.org/~afn39111)
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 20:31:39 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Big Wreck on Rockline!
Message-ID: <199712030131.UAA09938@wi.cs.wm.edu>
Hey folks. Hope everyone had a happy and safe turkey day. (I know I did. :)
Just thought you'd all like to know that Big Wreck is going to be on Rockline
next Monday night, December 8th. (As the cliche goes, check your local
listings.) Hopefully every question that they field will be asked by Jammers
(if anyone could do that, we could :). You know, stuff like "So, what do you
think of John Petrucci's playing?" and "Are you grateful for being given the
chance to tour with a band like DT who has such a rabid following?" Stuff
like that. I'd kill to hear that. Mark your calendars. :)
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 20:46:45 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199712030146.UAA10025@wi.cs.wm.edu>
> Well, what is the meaning of the Thanksgiving holidays for you
> people in the US?
Well, just like any holiday, there is the traditional meaning, and the actual
meaning.
The tradition started way the fuck back when, when the pilgrims from England
were spending their first winter stateside. They hosted a dinner for
themselves and the Native Americans, and everyone gave thanks for basically
surviving the winter with food and tobacco to spare. So, traditionally, we
Americans are supposed to gather on the fourth Thursday of November to
commemorate the spirit of those pilgrims in that first winter, and give thanks
for everything that we have.
Naturally, the holiday (like most, for most people) has lost its meaning.
Nowadays it's about traveling great distances to see relatives we're going to
see at Christmas anyway, gorging ourselves on turkey, stuffing, and cranberry
sauce, getting loaded on wine, and watching football on TV.
Cynically,
-d
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Date: 03.12.97 02:48:48
From: zeus@olymp.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The BIG "b"
Message-ID: <199712030148.CAA28801@demdwu09.bertelsmann.de>
Hello Superheroes of the World,
a big thanks goes out to THE MAN, to shares his powerful life
with us. He is in a class of its own.
Now we know, where's the home of a __real__ HERO: Right Here!
While I was reading the message of a man who got lessons in
High School Wrestling, I had a vision and I'd like to share it
with you all: Isn't there a guy out in America who did four
Touchdowns and is married with a girl from Wanker County?
And I asked myself.: Is it a bird, is it a plane or is it Al?
No, it is BAHRMAN!
If he is real, why is he living in the US wouldn't it better he
would stay in the Iraq for a while ?
Ooops, No, let him stay in the US otherwise he will arrive in China.
Is he the man who makes CDR´s with his Laserbeam-Eyes, only
reinforced by a prism ?
Is he the man who can make the world a better place, only
with his sword of justice ?
Is he the man who turns water into beer, only with
his words of wisdom ?
Is he the man who brings peace to anyone, only with
the power of his mind?
If you see him, don't stand too close to him. He can take you out
with only one punch from his merciful hands. Hands that could heal
wounds in seconds. If he beats you he can heal you too.
Isn't it a wonder???
If it happened once, it could be happen again, couldn't it ?
Somewhere, sometimes we will know.
I would like to support my favorite hero, who's always on a (impossible)
mission if he is driving around in his very expensive Bahrmobile, so
please tell me where's the place where I can order BAHRMAN (TM) Merchandise
Products. My kids felt in love with the Skydiving-Bahrman and the
Mr. Cheese-Bahrman dolls after the commercial appears on TV.
Any help is appreciated.
Last but not least I would love to know whether he is living in his
Bahrcave(TM) or will it be necessary that we must build him HIS
Fortress of Solitude soon ?
Someone please deactivate me.
Zeus
AKA Odin
AKA The blonde Power-Ranger
AKA McGyver
AKA Fox Moulder (Trust no one)
AKA The Sentinel
AKA Hulk
AKA The man who shot Liberty Valance
AKA The real Bahrman(TM)
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 00:05:06 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971203000412.11806A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Rogerio Brito (rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br) said:
> > Well, what is the meaning of the Thanksgiving holidays for you
> > people in the US?
>
> It means we get together with our families, eat turkeys, and
> watch (American) football. Or something like that. :)
Isn't that what Christmas is all about? :-)
> Bill
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:30:09 -0400 From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Merry Axemas, other X-mas music: NDTC Message-ID: <199712030227.VAA06174@mail.trincoll.edu>
Hey guys,
Just thought I'd post a quick review of Merry Axemas, considering there's so much talk about TSO these days. To put it simply, this album rocks. It's very diverse, but the standout performances are by Kenny Wayne Shepard (funk version of Rudolph...complete with Hammond B-3 solo), Eric Johnson, Steve Vai, Brian Setzer and Joe Satriani. It's cool because every song really bears each player's signature stamp. Eric Johnson contributes one of the most amazing recorded performances of his career with "The First Nowell." Worth the price of the CD alone. In general, this album is really strong. All the tunes are very tastefully done. This is a good disc to put in the changer with TSO and Take 6 (if any of you are into a cappella vocal music, the harmonies on this album make Galactic Cowboys look like kindergarten:) BTW, to the guy who was asking about Hotei, he is a Japanese pop star that was supposed to be on the Japanese release of Merry Axemas as a bonus track to sell records. Since he gets a lot of offers to do the Japanese bonus track gig, he sort of played hard-ball with Steve Vai and requested he be on the international release. That's why he's on Merry Axemas in the states. His playing is a bit lackluster IMHO.
Later all!
-Mike
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:40:02 -0500 From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Liveconcerts archive!! Message-ID: <3484C681.7256@mtu.edu>
Hello All-
As many of you know liveconcerts.com recently broadcast a live DT concert. The broadcast was on sunday at 6:30 ET. I also had to drive 10 hours to school that same day. Because I did not want to misss the concert I came up relly early, but just in case I did I emailed liveconcerts.com and asked the manager if and when the DT concert was going to be archived. He said that as of then (about a week before the cybercast) the show was not going to be archived. He said that in order for a show to be placed in the archives, liveconcerts.com must get the permission of the band, which at that point they had not done. Dont know if they are planning to or not, but just wanted everyone to know that not every show gets archived.
Matt Stanich
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:47:12 -0500 From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CB and woodwinds Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971202214712.0069e6cc@scott.skidmore.edu>
>Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:59:30 -0800 >From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> >Subject: CB >>> IIRC, it involves inhaling thru your nose while pushing a mouthful of air >>> into the instrument with your cheek muscles. Could never do it right, >>> myself, but I believe that's the concept. >>Yeah, it's something like that. I attended a clinic by trombone >>great Bill Watrous a few years ago. Circular breathing was one of >>the techniques he taught. It doesn't really seem terribly difficult >>in theory, but I never could get it right either (of course, I was on >>a brass instrument. I don't know if it's any more easy or difficult >>on a woodwind).
>Circular breathingis nothing more than a novelty. Unless Im playing >piece that wasnt designed for the trumpet (a drawn out violin solo or >something), its pretty useless for anything except impressing your friends >or sneaking some air when the music says you arent supposed to. >My question is, why would someone WANT to hold a note 47 mins?? I get up >to 5-7 minutes on a trumpet or digeridoo and just get bored...I could have >been listening to DT in that amount of time! >And CB is much moredifficult on woodwinds, as it is tougher to maintain >embochure integrity while compressing metered amounts of air.
As an oboe player, I can tell you I've never heard of a PROFESSIONAL oboe player using this technique. Most professional wind players of any sort do NOT use the technique. Breathing is a normal function, and as long as you don't breathe like a horse or something, no one in the audience seems to mind. My teachers have never mentioned circular breathing to me ONCE in all my time playing. PLus, air support is a big deal in winds, so circular breathing isn't great for this; if you want a solid wall of air support, this sneaking air in and out is a no-no. And embouchure integrity at least on the OBOE would be screwed to hell by something like CB, very true.
Aside from breathing, there is the whole muscle tension thing...did Watrous ever talk about that?
Ooo, speaking of all of this, I have a concert this Saturday....
Ja ne
Erica
Erica Bonomi, ebonomi@skidmore.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Deedlit or Deedo on IRC vacation: pootersox@bonomi.connix.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 19:10:58 PST From: "Stephanie Beaulieu" <serenawiththepic@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <19971203031059.15492.qmail@hotmail.com>
Cappy wrote:
On Mon, Dec 01, 1997 at 02:48:05PM -0800, Stephanie Beaulieu wrote: > > Go MIKE!!!! > > Now you're a hero! (kinda...)
Mike was already a hero to most of us! :)
Way to go, Mike! I sure won't argue with you over that next order! ;)
Of course he was. Only now, he's a hero to the rest of the world too! Maybe he'll get famous, and sell tons of CD's, and get very very rich and all that thanks to the stupid moron who hurt him! Gee! That would be a nice way to get over it! =:)
Steph
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 22:06:21 -0500 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: Keeper of the Seven Ytses <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fates in Atlanta. Well, Marietta. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971202220621.00691ccc@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
I wrote: >>>Creative Loafing (the local music/weird-stuff rag) says the Fates will be playing >>>here on December 3rd. Kind of an interesting feat, since the tourdates on >>>Mike Kizer's Fates page say they'll be in Colorado that day
Jeff wrote back: >The sheet I got from Metal Blade says Colorado Springs on the 3rd. No date >for Atlanta, however, Fates will be in Marietta on the 14th. How close is >that?
Should've made meself clearer. I wanted to know if anyone knows for sure when Fates will be playing the Outer Edge (which is located in Marietta, about an hour from where I live; I'd guess about twenty, thirty minutes from Atlanta).
I just found it interesting that 99X, a local radio station, the Outer Edge itself, and Creative Loafing all seem to think that the FW show is on Dec. 3rd when they won't actually be here till the 14th (that is confirmed, by the way; Ticketbastard has finally put tix on sale for that date, though I can't get any more info because their website seems to be fucked all the way to the ionosphere).
And people wonder why I get so fraggin' uptight about prog bands not getting the respect they deserve. Sheesh...
Cheers, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: RTZ -- "Return to Zero"
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:45:07 -0500 From: "Brian P. Kelley" <bpkelley@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Atlanta / Outer Edge FW show Message-ID: <199712030341.WAA13495@camel8.mindspring.com>
>>>here on December 3rd. Kind of an interesting feat, since the tourdates on >>>Mike Kizer's Fates page say they'll be in Colorado that day > >The sheet I got from Metal Blade says Colorado Springs on the 3rd. No date >for Atlanta, however, Fates will be in Marietta on the 14th. How close is >that? >
Well technically, Marietta IS the Atlanta FW show. Marietta is in Cobb County and is about 10 miles outside Atlanta city limits but is still considered "Metropolis" Atlanta :)
Btw, if anybody could give me some info on FW I'd be appreciative. I have NEVER heard their music and how closely related to DT are they? As long as they're not death metal (a la King Diamond), I'll be fine! Not a real fan of that genre.
The only band I've ever seen at The Outer Edge fairly recently was... (y'all are gonna laugh...) ...RATT!!! Don't blame me, Vaiman talked me into going ;) Actually it wasn't all that bad, except Robin Crosby wasn't with them. Pearcy still looked the same but [drummer] Blotzer's trimmed hair gave him the impression of an overaged surfer. Felt like we were in 1985 all over again!!! (Memories...) I think Ratt is STILL stuck somewhere in that "era of hair".
I'll stop this thread from spinning any further... but I just can't wait for the Twisted Sister reunion (yeah, they rule, huh huh!! :)
Take the time, Brian
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:45:35 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Watrous Message-ID: <199712030351.VAA26246@Walden.MO.NET>
> Whatever...Watrous rocks though. Saw him do this concerto for two > trombones by himself using a crazy humming technique exclusive to brass > that i know is REALLY hard. Amazing player. YES YES YES!!!!!! Yeah, that's actually not a terribly complex technique, but it is difficult to pull off correctly. I've come close, but never have been able to get it right. For anyone who digs some great jazz brass playing, check out Bone-ified, by Watrous. I caught him do a show with the SIUE Jazz band and some concert band back when I was in high school and have been blown away by him since. Also, another great musician that has a really cool, casual personality. Probably the smoothest tone on a brass instrument I've ever heard.
Dale R> Newberry "Do not give me any of that Zen and some art of motorcycle maintenance stuff. Just ride your bike."
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:57:55 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Trust and DT Message-ID: <v01520d05b0aa40e6bfab@[207.90.119.141]>
>The part of the song is at 2:57. It starts off with some >samples (very DT - turn up the volume and listen to the >samples - very cool!) and then goes into a cool little >(yea little, right...sounds like it would be a pain in >the ass to play!) acoustic solo.
well, that has always been a part of Marty's playing... not really DT influence, per se. Marty is a VERY good guitarist...
>Am I the only one that hears DT in that? Or maybe >I am hearing Megadeth in DT? Either way, Cryptic Writings >is an awesome album...as is just about every other Megadeth >album I have ever bought.
i do hear a little bit of experimenting, a la DT and KingsX, on some of the parts of Cryptic Writings. i think the song is "secret place" that starts out with what sounds to be a sitar...
Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!? http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:58:44 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: hollow years single Message-ID: <v01520d06b0aa415ddbb6@[207.90.119.141]>
release date: according to the place i ordered from said Dec 1st.
mine *should* be in the mail...
Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!? http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:30:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <wfoll@america.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Atlanta/Marietta Fatez show Message-ID: <199712030430.XAA24752@web3.america.net>
>>>here on December 3rd. Kind of an interesting feat, since the tourdates on >>>Mike Kizer's Fates page say they'll be in Colorado that day > >The sheet I got from Metal Blade says Colorado Springs on the 3rd. No date >for Atlanta, however, Fates will be in Marietta on the 14th. How close is >that?
Marietta (or "May--retta" as it's pronounced by the local hicks) is really part of Atlanta. It's a suburb like, 10-15 minutes north of Atlanta proper on I-75. I've never been to The Outer Edge though, so I have no idea what to expect except that it's a relatively small dive. Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm ++The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.
++The pessimist fears it is true. /| / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || <//_|| / \ / / | || | \ \| || || __ || |\ \__ |/ /\ \ /_/ |_||_| \ || || | |_||_|/\ \ || / \_\ \ || ||/ \_\||/ \ ||/ \|
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:30:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <wfoll@america.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Megadeth and Dream Theater...two complementary bands Message-ID: <199712030430.XAA24757@web3.america.net>
>I was listening to Trust (Megadeth off of Cryptic Writings) >on the radio a few days ago and it startled me how the >guitar solo sounded so much like Dream Theater to me!
When I first heard the album (cryptic), I thought I heard some Rush or Queensryche in it. Weird I know, but that's what I thought of. I was like, "hey, Megadeth is dipping their toes in the progressive waters! cool!" I personally think that Megadeth and DT should go on a tour together...I think they would perfectly complement each other. I'd like to hear Dream Theater do a version of Anarchy In the UK with Megadeth as an encore song and then they could both do Pull Me Under (with Dave M. singing the "PULL ME UNDER I'm NOT AFRAID" part)
>Am I the only one that hears DT in that? Either way, Cryptic Writings >is an awesome album...as is just about every other Megadeth >album I have ever bought.
Yep, same here. I've yet to hear a bad Megadeth album. Well, okay, Killing is My business wasn't so hot, but hey, I have the version with the Nancy Sinatra song, "These Boots" which kicks so much ass that it made the whole album worth listening to! hahah HELL, Just hearing Dave Mustaine yell "are ya ready BOOOOOOTS!" through his teeth is enough to make me love the album! Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm ++The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.
++The pessimist fears it is true. /| / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || <//_|| / \ / / | || | \ \| || || __ || |\ \__ |/ /\ \ /_/ |_||_| \ || || | |_||_|/\ \ || / \_\ \ || ||/ \_\||/ \ ||/ \|
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