YTSEJAM Digest 3309
Today's Topics:
1) Recording RA streams
by "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@yyzontheair.com>
2) DT´s gig in Finland.
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
3) re: Divine Regale?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
4) SG
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
5) Learning songs
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
6) Trust has DTC? :)
by "Joshua B. Wingell" <wingell@alctrz.ENET.dec.com>
7) CB
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
8) Atlanta / Colorado
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
9) hollow years single
by Todd <twwilso@students.uiuc.edu>
10) Re: Observations (moderately long, very boring and MDTC)
by Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de>
11) Taping...
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
12) TSO media promotion: NDTC
by Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net>
13) Re: Mike Bahr, Our Hero
by MTeiper@aol.com
14) LV update and Dream Theater in Den Bosch
by Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
15) Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
16) bahr's moves
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
17) Re: Jermaine and Whitney
by MTeiper@aol.com
18) guess who's back
by matt rosin <surreality@pobox.com>
19) Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
by Bill Nottingham <notting@arl.wustl.edu>
20) Re: WOW!! He was right, no DT content!!
by "James" <thirdhvn@community.net>
21) synths
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:44:23 -0700
From: "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@yyzontheair.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Recording RA streams
Message-ID: <01bcff49$ed2d5d80$bb906420@tbaddley.ibm.net>
I've notice several people asking how they could record streaming RealAudio.
Now, I'm not advocating piracy here, but if you'll check the newsgroup
alt.binaries.cracks on any given day, you'll find a RealPlayer crack that
allows you to record any audio/video that's streaming to it using the
player's Record button. It will save in .ra format, which is far less space
consuming than .WAV files (albeit, lower quality due to compression).
BTW...this will work regardless of whether the broadcast is "downloadable"
or not.
I had company visiting for Thanksgiving when liveconcerts.com broadcast the
DT concert on Sunday, so I missed it. It looks like liveconcerts is about a
month behind on their archives, so I guess I'll have to wait a little longer
until I can record it. I'm sure they'll get it online soon. They have a
pretty nice selection of concerts in their archive. I listened to about 45
minutes of The Fixx show at HOB in Chicago. I had forgotten how much I
loved their guitarist's rhythm stuff. Is there anyone else out there who
got into _Shuttered Room_ during the early 80's? Good album for a "New
Wave" group...._Reach the Beach_ wasn't bad either. After RtB, though, they
wen't downhill really quick. Cy Curnin had been designing mens hats for the
past few years, but his voice still sounds pretty good on this reunion
concert.
Enough NDTC...sorry for the Fixx tangent.
Keep 'jammin'
Tom Baddley
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:00:17 PST
From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT´s gig in Finland.
Message-ID: <19971202190018.17437.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hello fellow ytsejammers!
Just got back online.My net had been broken for 3 months.Found only
about 400 jams awaiting in my mailbox...Anyway,I think that the new
album is great.Not as good as Awake or I&W but great,nevertheless.I was
wondering are any of the finnish jammers thinking about attending DT´s
gig at Helsinki next year?I´ll definetely be there in the front
row.Bought my ticket today.Oh,Mike Portnoy is on the cover story of
Modern Drummer.I found that article to be very informative.
-Vilzu-
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:19:06 -0800
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Divine Regale?
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971202111906.006c3b94@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
>Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:06:03 -0600
>From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
> I plan to attend the Fates Warning show in Houston, Dec. 18th at
>the Abyss. From what I hear, Divine Regale is opening... can anyone tell me
>more about them: what they play etc? Thanks!
Sounds like a great double-bill! Best one since Enchant opened for Fates
here in the SF Bay area.
I just got the latest from Divine Regale, "Ocean Mind". I had never heard
them before, except references on the web. So this is my first, quick
impression.
They will definitely fit in with Fates. Musically, they are similar to
Fates, Queensryche, and Crimson Glory. Vocals are interesting. They have 2
singers, the lead singer is very similar to Midnight from Crimson Glory,
and the second singer (the drummer) does a very good Geoff Tate imitation.
Like I said, I have barely had a chance to listen to them yet, but I'd give
them a thumbs up at this point.
BH
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:30:57 -0700
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: SG
Message-ID: <01bcff58$d08df360$572746cf@sir>
>Thanks to this mailing list, I decided to pick up Shadow Gallery's Carve=
d
In
>Stone after hearing people saying how good it was. Well, after a few
>listens, I have to agree. It's cool. It reminds me of WDaDU-era DT. I
>love the segues between the tracks, and the last track (it's unlisted on
the
>sleeve) reminds me of Eve, with it's feel. Thanks again for jammers for
>reccommending this CD!
I must agree here. this CD is a must have. The last track on the CD has
special meaning to me. I had a certain theory of what the song means a
while back so I emailed the guy who wrote it and asked him if my theory w=
as
correct. He said he really liked my interpretation, but didn't give any
clues as to whether that's what he had in mind (which is cool). He also s=
aid
the name of the song is TG94, short for Thanksgiving '94. For all you
impatient people (It even took me a few listens to realize there was musi=
c
on that track) you should really listen to this song. It's got some good
stuff on it.
It rolls down stairs
It comes not in pairs
Runs over your neighbor's foot.
It's great for a snack
And fits on your back
It's woot! woot! woot!
woot=99 from Blammo!=AE
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:51:55 PST
From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Learning songs
Message-ID: <19971202195158.13863.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hello fellow ytsejammers!
>I actually gained an increased appreciation for Ytsejam and >Metropolis
>when I started to learn those, because I paid even more attention >than
>usual to all the individual parts. Has anyone else experienced this
>phenomenon?
Yep.When I learned how to play Under a glass moon note for note on the
drums I started to listen the other instruments more because I already
knew how the drums went.On the other hand,When I learned A fortune in
lies,the thrill of that song was gone.I like to play it but not to
listen it.Go figure...
Oh,do any of you have any info of Metropolis part two(when is it coming
out,etc...)?
-Vilzu-
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 97 14:50:37 EST
From: "Joshua B. Wingell" <wingell@alctrz.ENET.dec.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Trust has DTC? :)
Message-ID: <9712021950.AA24699@us7rmc.bb.dec.com>
I was listening to Trust (Megadeth off of Cryptic Writings)
on the radio a few days ago and it startled me how the
guitar solo sounded so much like Dream Theater to me!
The part of the song is at 2:57. It starts off with some
samples (very DT - turn up the volume and listen to the
samples - very cool!) and then goes into a cool little
(yea little, right...sounds like it would be a pain in
the ass to play!) acoustic solo.
Am I the only one that hears DT in that? Or maybe
I am hearing Megadeth in DT? Either way, Cryptic Writings
is an awesome album...as is just about every other Megadeth
album I have ever bought.
Later,
Josh
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:59:30 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CB
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971202115930.007a9360@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>> IIRC, it involves inhaling thru your nose while pushing a mouthful of air
>> into the instrument with your cheek muscles. Could never do it right,
>> myself, but I believe that's the concept.
>Yeah, it's something like that. I attended a clinic by trombone
>great Bill Watrous a few years ago. Circular breathing was one of
>the techniques he taught. It doesn't really seem terribly difficult
>in theory, but I never could get it right either (of course, I was on
>a brass instrument. I don't know if it's any more easy or difficult
>on a woodwind).
Circular breathingis nothing more than a novelty. Unless Im playing
piece that wasnt designed for the trumpet (a drawn out violin solo or
something), its pretty useless for anything except impressing your friends
or sneaking some air when the music says you arent supposed to.
My question is, why would someone WANT to hold a note 47 mins?? I get up
to 5-7 minutes on a trumpet or digeridoo and just get bored...I could have
been listening to DT in that amount of time!
And CB is much moredifficult on woodwinds, as it is tougher to maintain
embochure integrity while compressing metered amounts of air.
Whatever...Watrous rocks though. Saw him do this concerto for two
trombones by himself using a crazy humming technique exclusive to brass
that i know is REALLY hard. Amazing player.
Jon.
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:02:15 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Atlanta / Colorado
Message-ID: <v01530501b0aa271b911b@[209.50.100.118]>
>>here on December 3rd. Kind of an interesting feat, since the tourdates on
>>Mike Kizer's Fates page say they'll be in Colorado that day
The sheet I got from Metal Blade says Colorado Springs on the 3rd. No date
for Atlanta, however, Fates will be in Marietta on the 14th. How close is
that?
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:54:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Todd <twwilso@students.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: hollow years single
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.971202155400.17302A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
does anyone know when the release date is for it?
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:00:48 +0100
From: Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Observations (moderately long, very boring and MDTC)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971202230048.0079bcc0@mail.netcologne.de>
.. Clark Abel ...
> it sounds stupid but it's true) When I learn the guitar parts to DT
> songs, it becomes hard to hear them the same way, because I just can't
> hear the way the guitars fit in with the rest of the instruments
> anymore. I have vowed never to learn LTL for this reason... I'm afraid
> it would ruin my favorite DT song. There are a few exceptions, though.
> I actually gained an increased appreciation for Ytsejam and Metropolis
> when I started to learn those, because I paid even more attention than
> usual to all the individual parts. Has anyone else experienced this
> phenomenon?
Definitely. W/ me it seems to depend on the individual song, too, though I
can't fathom the relevant factors to it. It also at times occured w/
original songs of the respective band I played with (though only if written
and arranged by others, not by myself). I guess it might have something to
do w/ too much messing around w/ stuff, so that whole structures somehow
*felt* arbitrary. I somehow have to keep an appreciation for a *song* as an
organic whole, not just almost freely exchangeable parts. To me personally
it is also important to make a song somehow mine, if I didn't do the
writing then still it's my very own interpretation of it. 'acourse this is
something that won't work in the context of a band lead by someone who
wants to have authority while not being an authority (so much on the
etiology of my saxophobia :-)). One of the bands I enjoyed being in most
actually only did covers of *very* inhomogenic material ranging from
chansons to punk, though somehow the actual interpretations sounded very
homogenously and unique (maybe like "speed folk" :-)), just as if we had
written all that stuff ourselves. Also I hardly ever copy stuff note for
note, maybe for learning purposes, but then I try to take it apart, fool
around w/ it, and put it back together again, just the playful approach :-)
(maybe I should add I'm kinda socialized as a jazz and fusion player, and I
firmly believe in impro, jamming and all this nice stuff :-))
Also it had been kinda my obsession trying to fathom what actually is going
on the minds of different players while performing. Also w/ respect to
teaching... I mean we all know this "which notes can I play over which
chords" approach, but is this what's going on in our brains as we are
soloing (or "only" improvising a bassline)? Have students to content
themselves w/ statements like by gaining experience it *somehow* gets more
automatized? Questions... <sigh>
Cheers,
Heike the Terrible
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 17:22:22 -0500
From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Taping...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971202172222.007a65c0@mindspring.com>
If anyone has taped some FII tour shows and is looking to trade, please
get in touch with me. Actually, get in touch with me if you want to trade
for any DT boots... :) My updated list can be found in my sig. What do
y'all think about a tape tree for some of the recent shows? If anyone has
opinions about this, let me know. I'd be happy to run the tree, but I
don't tape and thus would need the help of someone with masters (DAT or
analog) of these shows. Let me know, and everyone take care!
DT Atlanta = 14 days and counting! :)
Adam
- alpineone@mindspring.com
- http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone
^^^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:35:01 -0500
From: Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: TSO media promotion: NDTC
Message-ID: <01BCFF48.A34B98E0@bos-ip-2-175.ziplink.net>
I don't know about Target, but just today at 2 pm I saw an ad, for
Blockbuster Music, promoting Christmas Eve... for the ENTIRE commercial!
In the words of Cartman, "Sweet!"
-Misha Horowitz
"I haven't seen an Englishman take a blow like that since Hugh Grant!"
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:46:06 -0500 (EST)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mike Bahr, Our Hero
Message-ID: <971202174606_-1908667784@mrin58.mail.aol.com>
WOW!!!
In a message dated 97-12-02 12:46:52 EST, Mike Bahr wrote:
<< An interesting thing happened to me today... I was at Rockaway Records
in Mesa scanning the used CDs as usual, and when I got in line to buy
stuff, ahead of me a guy was robbing the clerk at knifepoint! I didn't
really have any idea what to do and I can't fight my way out of a wet
paper bag, so instincts and memories of High School wrestling kicked in,
and I took the guy down from behind and put him in a sleeper hold. As
this happened he managed to stab me in the thigh/side (more of a "big
poke", not a slash or tear stab) and then the store personnel beat the
shit out of him and called the cops.
>>
Holy Shit!!! You RULE, Mike Bahr! :-)
- Matt T. (who would actually LOSE a fight with a wet paper bag... :-) )
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:47:59 +0100
From: Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LV update and Dream Theater in Den Bosch
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971202234759.007d19e0@pop3.cobweb.nl>
Hi Jammers,
Tomorrow I am heading to Den Bosch (3rd of December) for the Dream Theater
show, if other jammers also go, it would be nice to meet you.
Second: We will perform a livegig at saturday the 6th of December in Alphen
a/d Rijn, the Netherlands, the place will be "Het Kasteel" and it will
start at 21.30.
Our homepage is also again updated, it has tabulature till Stabs of the
past and some pictures of liveshots from LV, also pictures of every
bandmember and some really old pictures.
Please feel free to visit and sign the guestbook, it will be readable at
the page.
Take care,
Marcel
Marcel Coenen
Guitarist Lemur Voice
mcoenen@cobweb.nl
marcel.coenen@liberfone.nl
Check out our album "Insights" om Magna Carta
Lemur Voice official Homepages:
http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm
http://www.mindspring.com/lemur/lemur.htm
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:56:49 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971202205551.10452A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Well, what is the meaning of the Thanksgiving holidays for you
people in the US?
[]s very curious, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:13:21 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: bahr's moves
Message-ID: <01IQPHFLZ6RQ0013ZF@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
>You should've gone with the "figure-four-leglock" or a "full-nelson". This
>would've kept the bad guy from being about to use his hands to get you.
I dunno, I think I'd be too preoccupied trying "not to die" and I'd forget
all that stuff and just "run away really fast". :)
OTOH, Mike, what would have been really cool is if you'd done a Jimmy
Superfly on him. Or at least a piledriver.
josh
rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:30:02 -0500 (EST)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Jermaine and Whitney
Message-ID: <971202183001_-2140804338@mrin51.mail.aol.com>
Hello, friends -
<< This is an open letter to all on this mailing list. I need help with two
major things. The first is I am looking for a tape for my boss by
Whitney Houston and Jermaine Jackson called "Precious Moments". The song
I am looking for is entitled "If you say my eyes are beautiful" If
anyone has this cd or knows someone who does, my boss is willing to pay
top dollar for it. Also if anyone out there knows, is there a mailing
list for Jermaine Jackson?? I can't find it. If anyone can help me I
would greatly appricate it!! Sorry about the non-DT content. Email me
in private for thjis matter. Thanks!!!
>>
Wow... I'm not sure what's worse... the fact that this appeared on a
YtseJam... or the fact that my wife has the tape in question! :-)
Yeah... that song was actually in the running for "our" song at our wedding.
(I wanted "Am I Evil?" but got voted down. Go figger... ;-) ) BTW that
song IS next to impossible to find. I was on a similar hunt a few years ago
and found the tape for something like .99 in a major discount bin.
Just unbelievable.... - Matt T.
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 17:46:39 -0600
From: matt rosin <surreality@pobox.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: guess who's back
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971202174639.0068da7c@unix.tamu.edu>
i'm baa-aaack....... :)
nice to see you folks again!!!
-matt.
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:04:49 -0600
From: Bill Nottingham <notting@arl.wustl.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC)
Message-ID: <19971202180449.46175@needa.arl.wustl.edu>
Rogerio Brito (rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br) said:
> Well, what is the meaning of the Thanksgiving holidays for you
> people in the US?
It means we get together with our families, eat turkeys, and
watch (American) football. Or something like that. :)
Bill
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:06:44 -0800
From: "James" <thirdhvn@community.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: WOW!! He was right, no DT content!!
Message-ID: <199712030024.QAA08762@odin.community.net>
> ***Is this guy joking?? This has to be the furthest thing from DT
content
> that I have ever seen on this list (related to music, that is) I give you
> an A++ for being the furthest off topic all year!! : ) If it's any
> consolation, I'm a Jermaine Jackson fan myself..In fact I have all of his
> albums. (not!) What ever happened to him anyway...um, well, who
cares?******
Well, my friend's lawyer said that he's working
for Tricor Entertainment doing music for T.V. :) I know everything. ;)
--james--
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 16:34:39 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: synths
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971202163431.006d4bd0@cats.ucsc.edu>
Well, not really, but to the guy who is looking for a "crack" for Cubase:
Yes, there is one. It's called buy the friggin program!
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu
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