YTSEJAM Digest 3319
Today's Topics:
1) Guitars
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
2) ATTN: ANNA & HEINE BOEDDEKER
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
3) Re: Thanksgiving myth
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
4) Tolkein songs and the Fifth Element
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
5) FS: Cygnus.
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
6) cliche, Mechanic Ytsejam
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
7) Re: WDADU versions, Megadeath
by eckie@asu.edu
8) Re: prog cliches
by eckie@asu.edu
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3318
by Junesryche <Junesryche@aol.com>
10) Re: Tolkein songs
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
11) Similar Riffs
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
12) Michael Hedges Passes Away
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
13) Next album
by WazooDust <WazooDust@aol.com>
14) QR, Guitar, WDADU
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
15) Wall Coverings --
by "Brian J. Ketelsen" <bketelsen@earthlink.net>
16) Fates Warning in Chicago
by dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger)
17) CDDB
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
18) Monty Colvin (of GC) Auctioning off first Bass!!!
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
19) Attn: Any GALACTIC COWBOYS fans!! (NDTC)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
20) Monty Colvin (of GC) Original Paintings for Sale!!!
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
21) Savatage: Wake of Magellan
by "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <wfoll@america.net>
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 13:48:09 -0500
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitars
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971204134809.00c57da0@sol.eng.fore.com>
> The benefits of starting electric: Sounding more like what you're
>listening to. For the most part, I'm going to assume that most
>beginning guitarists are listening to electric music. Some people
>are inspired first by acoustic stuff, but that's a minority, these
>days. With an electric, your tone will be closer to that of the
>music you're listening to.
This sums up my thoughts pretty well, so I'll take the point further. I
think playing what you listen to makes a big difference in whether you
stick with the instrument. From personal experience, I would recommend
starting with an electric, if you listen to stuff played on electric
guitars. If you try to start on an acoustic, you have to learn the basic
chords to produce anything pleasant sounding. These chords involve some
pretty rough finger positions for a beginner, although you definitely
should work on them. Often times, this short term inability will lead to
lack of interest (i.e. since I suck on this thing, I don't really want to
pick it up and play it). With an electric, I think it is simpler to make
fairly recognizable music very quickly, by playing bar and 'power' chords.
Power chords are played by only using two fingers, and are relatively easy
to pick up, therefore sounding pleasant and perhaps generating the
necessary interest to keep practicing. That's how it happened for me.
Now, most people probably have more self discipline for practicing than I
do, but I almost quit playing the guitar because it sounded so shitty.
Then I discovered that by playing along to Metallica and Dokken riffs, I
was actually making cool sounds with it, so I stuck with it. My buddy
started out taking lessons on an acoustic, and quit after he realized that
there was no enjoyment in playing happy birthday on an acoustic. Well
after I started playing electric, he bought an electric and learned how to
play, using the same 'play what I know' method.
There is one drawback to learning how to play like this. If you don't
progress, you'll always think Mick Mars is a guitar god.
KAI
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 97 13:05:57 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ATTN: ANNA & HEINE BOEDDEKER
Message-ID: <3486ff135cc8008@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Sorry if I spelled the name wrong. I'd like to refute some of the statements you
made concerning the Thanksgiving thread, but as it's not relevant to the 'Jam
I'd appreciate if you could give me your e-mail address so I can send it
privately.
-Brian
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"So understand, the wasted time always searching for those wasted years.
Face it, make your stand, and realize you're living in the golden years."
-Adrian Smith
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Coleridge on IRC
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 97 13:15:32 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving myth
Message-ID: <348701462bde014@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <199712041744.JAA07450@odin.ax.com>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
>
>
> > I'm not saying that the English were Saints, far from it. However, they
> > don't
> > deserve the reputation for being helpless idiots who decided to slaughter
> > people
> > for no good reason.
>
> History seems to show that they were quite cunning bastards who
> slaughtered people for personal gain.
Yes, they sometimes did. I'm Irish and Scottish, so I know plenty about that.
I'm just making the point that the story of their activities in the Americas
isn't quite that simple.
-Brian
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"So understand, the wasted time always searching for those wasted years.
Face it, make your stand, and realize you're living in the golden years."
-Adrian Smith
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Coleridge on IRC
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:54:32 -0600
From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tolkein songs and the Fifth Element
Message-ID: <l03130303b0acb82e84b2@[128.252.105.105]>
Every other Led Zep song seems to be about tolkein. I can't name any
titiles because I really don't like them. I do know that there is one song
where they talk about Gollum and "the darkest lands of Mordor". Pretty
blatant rip off.
Has anyone heard the soundtrack to the Fifth Element? I just saw the movie
last night (great fucking movie) and I had to whatch it twice. Once for
the action, once for the soundtrack. It's Arabesque in parts, classical in
others, and there is the coolest song that I havee ever heard, fusing opera
with techno. They samppled this women's voice and used it on a keyboard.
It freakin rocks. I'm defiantely going to pick up this soundtrack.
If you havn't seen this movie, DO IT! It's a liitle tounge in cheek in
parts, almost to the point of spoofdom, but it's still great. And I've
never heard music used better in a movie. Its' great, better the second
time you seee it. I do have a question though. Was this movie somehow
connected with the movie Friday (fucking horrible movie)? The two black
guys in the Fifth Element were also in Friday. One is great, the other
(the president/Zues) is terrible.
Thanx,
Seth
Seth Hatlelid
srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html
"After the confession of sins and before the Act of Contrition, the
priest is supposed to ask, Do you sincerely resolve not to commit this sins
again? But Father McSwain's hurry-up version was more like "Commit these
sins again?-to which I could have sincerely answered yes." -Michael Ryan,
Secret Life
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:30:53 -0500
From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FS: Cygnus.
Message-ID: <01bd00f3$848fa020$7fdfcdcf@w-ostrich-1>
Hiya, gang.
Just something very quick. Due to a financial hardship, i'm going to
sell my copy of Mike Bahr's ORIGINAL Cygnus CD's. As we know, only 1000
were ever made, and it's in PERFECT condition.
If you want it, and are willing to pay for it (look at Mike Bahr's
website for an accurate accuont on how much it's worth), please let me know.
- mike.
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 12:51:48 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: cliche, Mechanic Ytsejam
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971204125133.006d8030@cats.ucsc.edu>
First off, wearing all black is hardly a prog cliche or even a metal
cliche. It's a general artist cliche. SPeaking as someone who does wear
all black 90% of the time, I should know. ;) In fact, I was wearing my
signed white Touring Into Infinity shirt, and someone I knew came up to me
and said, "Chris, you're wearing a _WHITE_ shirt!" After exlpaining the
reasons, she accepted that it was okay. ;)
Secondly, the Mechanig WDADU version of "The Ytse Jam" indeed does not have
the drums begore the music starts. It begins with the first big chord that
everyone plays. There shouldn't be a name for the missing "intro" cause
it's just a few drum hits and lasts all of 2 seconds. Personally, I've
always thought of it as the end of Status Seeker, which just happened to
sound nifty as an opener for Ytsejam.
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 14:05:28 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: WDADU versions, Megadeath
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971204140301.12545C-100000@general2.asu.edu>
> Also, about the Megadeath post... well, I have been stuck listning to
> the radio on the way to and from work this week (normally listen to
> CDs) and let me tell you, WAAF is overplaying the hell out of the new
> Megadeath song. I hear it every day dboth driving out to and coming
> home from work... and to tell you the truth... it sounds sort of
> grungish to me... (might also be b/c it is played in the middle of
> hte smae 3 or 4 other grunge songs every day)...
Yeah, and I'm hearing more Dream Theatre on the radio nowadays too...I
always get that Burning My Sole song confused with Green Day's new one....
they sound so similar.
~Eckie thinks somebody is not a 'Deth fan... >:)
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 14:09:06 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: prog cliches
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971204140745.12545D-100000@general2.asu.edu>
> Can anyone say black clothes?
>
> ~Rob
No, I can say MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMETAL cliche though. >:D
~Eckie the procrastinating art student
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:09:14 EST
From: Junesryche <Junesryche@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3318
Message-ID: <8687248.34872a0d@aol.com>
PS ~ Also a Galactic Junkie and really enjoy your site . . . =)
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 97 16:24:47 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Tolkein songs
Message-ID: <34872dae69c0002@mhub0.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <l03130303b0acb82e84b2@[128.252.105.105]>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
>
>
> Every other Led Zep song seems to be about tolkein. I can't name any
> titiles because I really don't like them. I do know that there is one song
> where they talk about Gollum and "the darkest lands of Mordor". Pretty
> blatant rip off.
It's not a rip-off, it's just paying tribute to a great writer. There's that one
line you mention from "Ramble On" (the rest of the song really has nothing to do
with Tolkein, btw), and there's a couple similar lines here and there, but not
many. Far from "every other song."
-Brian
********************************************************************************
"So understand, the wasted time always searching for those wasted years.
Face it, make your stand, and realize you're living in the golden years."
-Adrian Smith
********************************************************************************
Coleridge on IRC
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 14:41:39 -0800
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Similar Riffs
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971204144139.006a3ccc@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
The discussion of similarities between Enchant's Missing and DT's 6:00
brings to mind that some DT riffs remind me of other artists. We know that
DT liberally reuses their own riffs, but there's many instances where they
have reminded me of other bands (Like Rush, of course).
For me, Lines in the Sand had a couple of things:
1. When I first heard the main guitar riff that starts at 2:05, it reminded
me of something. I finally figured it out. "Girl Goodbye", from Toto's
first album. Very similar riff.
2. This one's obvious, and I really liked the way they worked it in. At
5:58 in LitS, the keys start to sound like a Frampton song from FCA. And
then from 6:09 - 6:17, Petrucci slips in a totally Frampton-style lead. Cool.
Any one else notice these similarities? Any other examples?
BH
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Date: 04 Dec 97 14:43:17 -0800
From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Michael Hedges Passes Away
Message-ID: <199712042255.OAA22496@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but guitarist Michael Hedges has passed
away. Story at:
http://www.wallofsound.com/news/stories/2379index.html
-Neil.
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:41:53 EST
From: WazooDust <WazooDust@aol.com>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Next album
Message-ID: <8d2d5253.348731b4@aol.com>
Anyone think about a producer or engineer for the next album ???
I've got this Idea of Alan Parsons working w/ DT would create some really
cool sounds.. any thoughts???
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:14:28 -0500
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: QR, Guitar, WDADU
Message-ID: <19971204130923.AAA4607@sni.pananet.com>
> Sure Promised Land showed some neat moves like Disconnected, title track
> and Damaged but tracks like Lady Jane and My Global Mind were real
> anti-climaxes.
Funny, the only track i never got into off of that cd is the title
track...I find Lady Jane to be a very beautiful ballad..and Global
Mind...its cool, bit its kinda cheesy too. However the last 2 songs are my
fave QR songs.
>There is one drawback to learning how to play like this. If you don't
>progress, you'll always think Mick Mars is a guitar god.
not to mentin Kirk Hammett..hahahahahahaha
>Secondly, the Mechanig WDADU version of "The Ytse Jam" indeed does not
have
>the drums begore the music starts. It begins with the first big chord
that
>everyone plays. There shouldn't be a name for the missing "intro" cause
Actually some copies of the Mechanic version do have it beginning with the
drum fill...At least my cousin's does.
Ern
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 18:50:22 -0700
From: "Brian J. Ketelsen" <bketelsen@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wall Coverings --
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971204185022.0093dd80@mail.earthlink.net>
Just got an email from a friend who wonders where she might be able to get
some pictures/posters of DT with which to decorate her walls (I hate not
being able to end a sentence in a preposition). Anybody have any good
leads? Are there catalogs somewhere where you can order these kinds of
things? Help would be appreciated.
BrianK
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 19:21:49 EST
From: dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates Warning in Chicago
Message-ID: <19971204.192623.5039.0.DSeeger@juno.com>
OK, for some reason this didn't get on the latest digest of Parallels, so
I'll post it here:
Tomorrow night's Fates show in Schaumburg, IL is 18 and over, not 21 and
over as expected. SO those of you underagers who wanted to go can attend
if you've over 18. Hear that Ptacek?! :) I wish I'd could've known
about that sooner. Hope to see some of you there!
Debbie Seeger
DSeeger@juno.com
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:26:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CDDB
Message-ID: <199712050226.VAA27160@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> Subject: Surfage
>
> Surf over to http://www.cddb.com, click on "CDDB Search Engine" and
> search for "Dream Theater". Some interesting results. And of course,
> there are 4 entries returned if you search for "Dream Theatre", but at
> least the former returns more :)
>
still doesn't list a few that I entered... I put in at least the
Japanese bonus CD from FII...
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:20:59 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Monty Colvin (of GC) Auctioning off first Bass!!!
Message-ID: <v01520d02b0acd80dcd6f@[207.90.119.141]>
Monty Colvin is auctioning off his first bass he ever had. It is
a Rickenbacher 4-string bass guitar. I have two scans of it on my
page. For the auction info and current bids, check out the auction
page (Go to the URL in my sig and follow the easy/hard-to-miss link).
The bass was used on recent tours and albums, and it is in excell-
ent condition. He is auctioning it off because he now has some new
basses from Zon.
Thanks,
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com
Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!?
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:20:56 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Attn: Any GALACTIC COWBOYS fans!! (NDTC)
Message-ID: <v01520d01b0acd7e8c4ac@[207.90.119.141]>
Any GC fans?? Read the next two posts...
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com
Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!?
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:21:03 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Monty Colvin (of GC) Original Paintings for Sale!!!
Message-ID: <v01520d03b0acd8b6f51c@[207.90.119.141]>
Monty Colvin (established bassist and painter for Galactic Cowboys
material) has now released some of his original paintings (not prints)
to the public. He currently has 5 different paintings up for sale.
Costs represent time and detail involved.
Check out the Paintings portion on my GC page (URL in sig, and follow
the links from there). All 5 are shown with scans, size, and price.
As of now, these are single paintings (only one made of each), but
more may be made if the demand is high enough.
Thanks,
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com
Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!?
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:40:58 -0500 (EST)
From: "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <wfoll@america.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Savatage: Wake of Magellan
Message-ID: <199712050340.WAA01146@web3.america.net>
All I can say about this cd: WOW. I really like it!! I have no idea when
it's going to be released in the States, but get it when it comes out. I
think it *resembles* Handful of Rain, but it's also better written songs I
think. On the last song it's also got some more of those vocals like Chance
has where Zak's voice is recorded a bunch of times singing different parts.
Anyways, I just felt the need to blab about that real quick before I go to
bed.
Also, GET Sevendust's album. It's badass. (I was listening to it earlier
today and it jams.)
Beavis (Wes Foll)
http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm
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++The pessimist fears it is true.
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