YTSEJAM Digest 3330
Today's Topics:
1) Updation of Web Page
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
2) Re: Fates bashing and FII praises.
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
3) Re: ** A Tribute to FATES WARNING **
by eckie@asu.edu
4) Re: ** A Tribute to FATES WARNING **
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3329 (various)
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
6) Production Goofs in FII
by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
7) heyyy now...
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3329
by Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
9) Re: Productions Covers and FW
by Arcova <Arcova@aol.com>
10) AHHH! RETURN OF THE HUGE F"IN SIG! (F as in Fates)/Lorena Mckinnet
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 22:56:49 -0500
From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
To: BBroznick <WBroznick@worldnet.att.net>,
Subject: Updation of Web Page
Message-ID: <348B7000.E0BD19F4@enter.net>
That's right!
I have again updated my Web Page. This time I've added a bonus
surprise. No, no I'm not going to tell you what it is, you have to go
to:
http://www.enter.net/~bduesterhoeft/bruweb.htm
to find out.
Take care and check out the Dominion of Duester!!!!!!!!
cyall
bdd
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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:01:09 -0500
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fates bashing and FII praises.
Message-ID: <19971207175602.AAA19031@sni.pananet.com>
> I know that we're all skewed toward our favorite band, DT, but it seems
> like many of you are being blind sighted! How can all of you go on and
> say that the production is great on FII??
I never said it was great...but im not saying it sucks either. You have to
remember that ppl have different ideas as to what 'good production' is.
Some ppl think I&W has great production...i think its horrible...Some think
Awake has the best production ever...I think it has way too much reverb,
and the guitars are too up front.
> Drums sound better? In some songs, they sound pretty good, like lines in
> the sand. But they totally suck on Hell's Kitchen and Burning my soul.
> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DRUM PLAYING WHATSOEVER.
I didnt say they were better either..I said you could clearly understand
everything Portnoy's doing than ever before... Of course there are specific
moments where its not so clear, but there are moments like that in all
there other albums.
> Further, why does Derek have to use the dirty organ sound so much instead
> of the nice clean sounds Kevin used primarily?
>
Because he's not Kevin, he's Derek. He's adding his own personality to the
music.
>
> I guess you've all gotten used to heavier stuff, and don't want to listen
> to the nuances of APSoG. I didn't think much of IAW at first. In fact,
Its not about nuances. I love nuances. If i didnt, I dont think i'd like
bands like Enchant and Marillion so much. I've listened to that CD enough
to know evrything thats going on, and think its 'good' but not a
masterpiece.
> Well, I guess I'll never see DT live. Fuck. I really wanted to see
> scarred live.
>
> -Jon
>
Done with your rant? Breathe deeply now. ;)
Vinnie wrote:
> I truly hope that DT got a bit lighter due to corporate pressure. I
mean,
>their music has always seemed to get heavier and stronger from album
toalbum, but >then their music got lighter and more pop-oriented (while
still
If you're expecting for DT to get 'heavy' again, i think you'll be
disappointed. I think they're just going in anew direction. Awake was
their peak in heaviness, but DT drifting from the metal ways. They're
looking at their other influences now. And i like that. I like my meatl
in bits and pieces, not as the main course.
Carlo wrote:
>live".....whew..that was a good one... :) I do notice that NOT ONE
>person has commented on the lyrics/songwriting ....something which FW
>have always been far superior in (among other things)
In your not so humble opinion
>FII is great?! yeah right....the only thing its good for is curing my
>insomnia. If the new DT had an ounce of creativity that FW has then it
>would have been the masterpiece everyone hear was hyping it to be (too
Sorry you feel that way...I still love FII.
>I'm sorry for the people who can't appreciate the deep rooted
>complexities of FATES...you don't know what you're missing.
Point me towards those 'deep rooted complexities' that seem to be eluding
me after a year of listening to Fates.
later,
Ern
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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 21:00:55 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: ** A Tribute to FATES WARNING **
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971207203127.4221A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
> really busted my gut was that the "Misfits are more exciting to see
> live".....whew..that was a good one... :) I do notice that NOT ONE
Well, I thought it was more fun watching the Misfits turn America West
Arena into a tornadoe of moshing bodies, than it was watching Fates jam
out A Pleasant Shade of Gray. Not to say I didn't enjoy Fates' show
more...it's one thing to be great musicians and perform, but it's another
thing to get the audience really involved with the show. >:)
> FII is great?! yeah right....the only thing its good for is curing my
> insomnia.
I fear the dude who falls asleep to Burning My Soul or Lines in the Sand....
> If the new DT had an ounce of creativity that FW has then it
> would have been the masterpiece everyone hear was hyping it to be (too
> bad "hype" is all I got)...I bought it...got bored...forced myself to
> listen because this "WAS" DT of course....got bored some
> more....realized that DT are but a shadow of their former
> selves......sold it back and spent my money on better things.
Well, I understand that all this bullshit we write is some sort of
self-therapy to help us believe and understand our own bullshit better, and
that all of it's subjective and relative...but I can't help but think,
"Damn, that's a BAD idea" to sell FII back.
As for being "shadows of their former selves," I can't see where you're
coming from. I said it before, and I'll say it again, the five ARTISTS
who are DT have grown up and MATURED, and so has their music. That's
what happens with time; people change...they grow. Musicians usually
reflect this change in their music after a period of time (who would've
guessed, eh?). Sure, who here doesn't go gaga over the key/guitar duos
and solos of Images and Words, or the whole gamut of emotions running
through Awake? Who here doesn't think Portnoy is one of the greatest
jewels in modern rock drumming today? FII shows the band's diversity and
technicality just as well, but it's all in a different mood and
lighting. The forms change, to put it in a visual description. I do
hear a corporate pressure's influence on some of the song writing (cough
cough *You Not Me* cough cough), but DT ran with it. Listen to the
lyrics of that song, and it's all a big laugh at the industry.
Hell, a year ago I would've told anybody that solid state amps beat the
crap outta tube 'cuz they're more reliable. :P Now I'm a full-blown Mesa
Boogie supporter (even if I haven't bought anything from them...yet)!
> I'm sorry for the people who can't appreciate the deep rooted
> complexities of FATES...you don't know what you're missing.
How do you enlighten others with an attitude like that?
Nice ten page .sig file, btw....
~Eckie, your ytse-asshole for the evening
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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 23:09:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: ** A Tribute to FATES WARNING **
Message-ID: <01IQWQMMDOS29AOK6L@alma.edu>
>I'm sorry for the people who can't appreciate the deep rooted
>complexities of FATES...you don't know what you're missing.
Where? Where? Where are these "deep rooted complexities"? I wanted so
badly to like this band, because so many people on this list rave about them,
but I just don't get it. Before I start ripping on Fates, I should say that
I *like* them. I think they're an ok metal band, which is worth something
since I think most metal is piss-poor, but I don't understand what is so
progressive about them and I certainly don't understand what is so "complex".
I have TSW, NE, PS, Parallels, IO, and APSOG. Yes, I bought all of those CD's
just looking for something to like in this band. I admit that I haven't
listened to a few of them very much at all, and I know they're all different,
but on the albums I am familiar with I feel that I can fairly say that I've
heard everything I'm going hear on these things, and it isn't that much. The
one I know the best is No Exit. Can someone tell me what I'm missing here?
Take The Ivory Gate of Dreams as an example. This basically sounds to me like
a medley of metallica songs. I like music with a lot of dynamic diversity,
which I guess this has, but the transitions are non-existent and I hear very
little to connect one part of the song to the next. They just play a fairly
cool heavy riff for a couple of minutes, then they just suddenly go to a
clean-tone part, then they just suddenly play some totally different heavy
part, etc. There's no buildup, no release, the music just kicks you around.
And the whole time, Alder, who I think has a great voice, just screams these
pointless, wandering melodies, which again just go nowhere. And the guitar
leads seem like pretty standard metal solos to me, too. Technically I guess
they're impressive, but even in the technique department I don't hear anything
too mindblowing, and they never play anything really tasty or anything that
really grabs my attention.
My intent is not to insult Fates fans, and I hope they don't take it
that way. I really think that this band hits on some cool stuff every now
and then, but just when they start playing something I like and I'm wondering
what they're going to do with it or where they're going to go with it, they
just drop it and play something totally unrelated. I do listen to them
occasionally, but I just think they're totally overrated. I suppose it is
possible that their compositions are so complex that the connections are
beyond me... but if that's the case I would sincerely appreciate it if someone
could show me how a song like IGoD "works" so that I can expand my musical
horizons. As far as I'm concerned, IGoD could have been 10 separate
two-minute tracks. This is all IMHO, and again, I'm not saying they suck, I
just don't see why some people think they're the best thing since electric
guitars. Usually I can at least understand a band's appeal to it's fans, even
if I don't share their tastes, but this one is a total enigma to me, and I
just have this nagging fear that I really am missing out on something cool.
But the more I listen, the more I'm convinced that's not true.
-Clark
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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:43:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3329 (various)
Message-ID: <199712080443.XAA09709@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, got a few things to say about this Jam...
> I truly fear the day when DT goes the way of Rush. It's gonna
> happen soon, and it's unfortunate. DT seems to me (this is just
> simply IMO) like a band that can't seem to find their audience.
> I've talked to people that heard Lie before any other DT songs.
> This guy thought that DT was a Pantera-style band with better
> musicians after hearing Lie on the radio. He picks up the CD, and
> they're only 3 songs on the album in the same style. He got bored
> with the CD, and sold it. On the other hand, I've got a friend that
> heard me playing "Wait for Sleep" one day, and thought the band was
> a pop/Elton John type band. He bought the CD, and was pissed when
> "Pull Me Under" thundered through their radio speakers. Yet another
> sold CD. Now, I'm all for diversity, but a band still needs to find
> a basis to go off of, and IMO Dream Theater has yet to find their
> _sound_.
See, I have to disagree here... this is exactly why I love DT so
much, the diversity... I would like to think that I have a fairly
diverse taste in music, and DT allows me to experience it all at
once. I like classical, classic rock, some jazz, hard rock,
borderline metal, and DT allows me to hear all of this. If people out
there can't handle it, they need to broaden their perspecive...
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 16:06:34 -0600 (CST)
> From: Loren Caler <lcaler@flash.net>
> Subject: John Myung
>
> Well, after listening to FII for two(?) months now, I have
> to say that John Myung is just fucking amazing. Nobody has really
> commented too much on his playing (maybe it's just common
> knowledge), but I think he is completely AMAZING on this album. To
> me, he's the one who stands out the
>
I think that most here are just in the "common knowledge" category...
I mean, after most shows, people just comment on being "awestruct" at
watching him play... I still can't believe what he does during
Metropolis...
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:42:27 EST
> From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Japanese "Hollow Years" EP
>
> > BTW, one good news is here, Japanese edition of "Hollow Years" EP
> > will out on 01/25/98 for Japan tour commemoration. It will have
> > "HY" and some live recordings from FII tour or pre FII tour (TBA).
>
> I'm kinda surprised that no one responded (as far as I know) to this
> post to the Jam! Does anyone have any further info on this? I
> didn't even know one was coming out in Japan. Are the tracks from
> the European CD Single going to appear on it as well as the live
> stuff? Inquiring minds NEED to know!!! :-P
well, I for one am constantly looking for this when I go into CD shops
here... even though I don't know if its out yet or not...
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 18:05:28 -0500
> From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
> Subject: ** A Tribute to FATES WARNING **
>
> Considering that the latest shitstorm on the 'jam is producing some
> of the most ridiculous comparisons to FW I've ever seen (some really
> good laughs too..."Ray Alder doesn't know how to write melodoc vocal
> lines"??? bwwahahaha....amazing)..but I think that perhaps the one
> that really busted my gut was that the "Misfits are more exciting to
> see live".....whew..that was a good one... :) I do notice that NOT
> ONE person has commented on the lyrics/songwriting ....something
> which FW have always been far superior in (among other things)
Yeah... I am also getting sorta pissed off at this thread... not
only b/c I think that Fates is an amazing band, but it doesn't seem to
make too much sense in the perspecitve of this list... I mean, FW has
some incredibly talented musicians, great songwriting, and are also
amazingly tight when playing live... lets try to get some of this
perspective back into the discussion...
> FII is great?! yeah right....the only thing its good for is curing
> my insomnia. If the new DT had an ounce of creativity that FW has
> then it would have been the masterpiece everyone hear was hyping it
> to be (too bad "hype" is all I got)...I bought it...got
> bored...forced myself to listen because this "WAS" DT of
> course....got bored some more....realized that DT are but a shadow
> of their former selves......sold it back and spent my money on
> better things.
Ok, now just b/c some people start a damn stupid thread over here, we
don't need a reply by starting another one... Lets try to drop both
of these here...
> I'm sorry for the people who can't appreciate the deep rooted
> complexities of FATES...you don't know what you're missing.
>
Look, while I think Fates is amazing, there are obviously going to be
those who just can't get into them... to insult them by stating that
they can't "appreciate the ... complexities" is kinda absurd... it is
possible for people just not to like a band.
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 00:13:04 -0400
From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Production Goofs in FII
Message-ID: <199712080510.AAA22771@mail.trincoll.edu>
Hay all,
Someone wrote this...
> Once all three are going, after about a bar, the chinas sounds
>totally fade into oblivion. Is it just my CD or is this part of the
>engineering mishaps? I've never known certain CDs to be missing certain
>parts.
Shit, he's right! I listened closely to this and it's pretty obvious if
you're looking for it. This, combined with the REALLY bad punch in NM at
around 5:15(the funky Chapman stick part) makes me wonder how KEvin Shirley
has such a good reputation. If I can hear these goofs on my crappy box,
it's a sign of some sloppy engineering IMHO.
Later all!
-Mike
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 00:25:36 -0500
From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: heyyy now...
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971208002536.0069e8d4@scott.skidmore.edu>
>Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 22:02:37 -0500 (EST)
>From: Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
>
>Well, now that I just wrote my Psych final (wooooo!!! thank god THAT
>nightmare is over... NEVER, EVER, *EVER* take a Psychology course if you
>can help it! Especially if you're a CS major!)
Uhm, actually, psychology courses are QUITE interesting and
informational. I recommend that everyone take some sort of psychology
course during their stay in whatever educational system they may be
residing in.... You can learn a lot about why people do what they do, what
kind of sneaky advertising tricks to avoid, and lots of NIFTY stuff. It
may not always be fun and games, but even though I'm dying because of my
psych course load, I still like it.
>Speaking of Big Wreck, they're getting pretty popular up here (Canada).
>I was channel surfing, and saw their video on Much Music... their video
>was at #6 this week (from #9 last week, so I imagine it'll reach #1) on
>the top 30 countdown. I don't get it.
Don't get what? They're pretty catchy songs. People like catchy. I
can't say I don't mind some catchy myself! I like Big Wreck, actually. GO
ahead, flame me for liking them. I'm not a prog-only music fan. :)
Granted, I'm pretty picky, but, hey, I actually LIKE Big Wreck.
>On one hand, I'm glad that the music that's becoming popular these days
>is better than it's been for most of the 90's (Big Wreck are alright, I
>guess) ... but it REALLY pisses me off that a band like Big Wreck, who
>couldn't get a better gig than opening for DT, are suddenly becoming more
>popular than DT, while DT are being completely ignored!
Let's talk about something. Complexity of music and lyrics. Let's
compare, shall we? Dream Theater is HARD to keep a beat to sometimes if
you're not a music-intelligent listener. Big Wreck is NOT hard to tap your
foot to at any time. Lyrics? Uhm..."I'll get down on my knees and kiss
your ass" versus "some will transcend spinning years/one as if time
disappears." The average person is going to be like "what the fuck is this
Dream Theater band TALKING about??!" OKay, I have no problems thinking of
various interpretations, but the average person doesn't like to have to
think about music, ne? I happen to love analyzing all sorts of music, but
I'm definitely in a more music-educated area (as in I WAS going to be a
music major but my schedule doesn't allow it).
>I also got a flyer from Sunrise Music in my mailbox, and they were
>advertising a few pages (maybe 50-75 CD's) of the hottest new releases.
>Big Wreck's album was on the front page of the flyer. But do you think
>FII was mentioned anywhere? Guess that's one more music store to
>boycott. Assholes.
Think about it in a survival way; they aren't going to make any money on
FII. They will make money on Big Wreck. They don't specialize in prog
music, so they'll have a hard time selling FII. It's not that they're
assholes, it's that they're trying to make money effectively in a
capitalistic way. :) Not that I don't think EVERYONE should be selling
FII! Hehehe.
Sorry for the long post...hope SOMEONE read it. I'm NOT flaming, just
trying to explain some things. I love DT, and I happen to like other
bands. PLEASE NOTE: I don't like Big Wreck anywhere near as much as I luv
DT! :)
Ja!
Erica Bonomi, ebonomi@skidmore.edu
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vacation: pootersox@bonomi.connix.com
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http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/
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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:28:47 -0600 (CST)
From: Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3329
Message-ID: <199712080528.XAA04755@shell.busprod.com>
> From: Loren Caler <lcaler@flash.net>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: John Myung
> Message-ID: <199712072206.QAA06726@endeavor.flash.net>
>
>
> Well, after listening to FII for two(?) months now, I have to say
> that John Myung is just fucking amazing. Nobody has really commented too
> much on his playing (maybe it's just common knowledge), but I think he is
> completely AMAZING on this album. To me, he's the one who stands out the
I have to agree %100. As soon as I stuck FII in my disc player I noticed
that he was more audible in the mix--at least to me. I'm not an audio
engineer or a musician so I don't know the specifics of production, but
to me this album has great production. I can hear John M. and Derek
just fine as well as the drums and guitar. I love Myung's new stuff on
New Millenium--that stick sounds great! His style really impresses me,
from start to finish. I also enjoy the intermixing of Myung and Derek
on a New Millenium--really smooth.
NP: Lines in the Sand...
# "The great thing about playing for this band as opposed to other #
# bands is that these guys encourage me to actually play the keyboard, #
# not just hold down pads. #
# --Derek Sherinian (Dream Theater '98: Petrucci/Portnoy/Myun/Sherinian #
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 00:57:36 EST
From: Arcova <Arcova@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Productions Covers and FW
Message-ID: <b6348ede.348b8c52@aol.com>
in order to understand what "let nothing bleed into nothing"
you have to stand in the implied " I " into the lyrics
( I ) let nothing bleed into nothing and ( I ) do nothing at all..
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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:26:00 -0600
From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: AHHH! RETURN OF THE HUGE F"IN SIG! (F as in Fates)/Lorena Mckinnet
Message-ID: <l03130300b0b12c6df099@[128.252.105.105]>
A HUGE Fates Warning signature and advertisement attacked my last post!
Help. OK first, I WAS there when the jam was on arastar. BIG FRIGGIN
DEAL! People had good points and no points back then too. It seems as if a
lot of people are coming out of the woodwork and saying that they are not
impressed with Fates, Not that they are bad or that they suck, just that
they are not all that impressive and I agree. I don't play them very
often, but I do own some of there CD's. I would drive three hours to see
them IF they had a good opening band but I wouldn't pay more than $15 a
ticket. I don't know if the new members are more interesting to watch on
stage than the members on the Inside Out tour, but Dream Theater had more
stage presence than Fates did. Alder was the only one who moved at all, in
pre-FII LaBrie dance steps and goofy facial expressions (I was in the front
row in Kansas City for the Awake tour). Zonder was pretty good but his set
was this little cheesy five-piece and the bass player just kind of stood
there looking scruffy. When I said that the Misfits were more fun to
watch, they were. I saw them open for Megadeth (now there's a reason to
get DT to open for Megadeth, to save us all from that crappy sell-out punk
shit). But at least the new singer for the Misfits had a VERY good stage
presence (not Mustaine, but then , who is). I would much rather LISTEN to
Fates than the Misfits, but watching toe fungus form on anemic gerbils is
more exciting than watching Alder warbel and preen like a peacock in heat.
I also agree that SOME of Alder's melody lines are badly chosen. Take
Outside Looking In for example. It's just so not memorable, even when I'm
trying to sing along with the song. I can recall entire Echolyn songs with
FAR greater ease than I can remember the vocals to OLI. I Also agree that
Apsog is too drawn out. Too many parts are repeated (someone talked about
the "let nothing bleed into nothing" part). Iactually like that part
because the vocal line is well chosen, but yes it is overplayed. The
vocals at the very beginning of the song are perfect. now if he jsut sings
like that on the next album, I might consider staying a FAtes fan. I aslo
don't agree taht the reason that we don't like the album (I think someone
eelse may have said this part) is that we have become accustomed to heavy
stuff (true this is why I like Awake better than I&W), but I don't agree
with the staement that we miss the "intracacies" of the song. First point,
a heavy song(CIAW for example) can have many subtle and intricate parts.
Second point, a lot of people consider mellow "noodles" to be intracies and
nuances. Not to be crude here, but if Jimi Hendrix burped on his guitar
strings, making them vibrate a perfect C minor chord in the middle of a
song in G# major (for simplicities sake), would that be a subtle nuance? I
don't think that playing slowly or softly is any more subtle or "musically
worthy?" than cranking an Eden cabinet to 10 and wailing (although this
violates noiuse ordinances). I just don't see the nuances in the FW songs.
That also may be because I may be judging progressive nuances against
Echolyn and Dream Theater and some people judge them against Marillion or
Queensryche (I'm not saying I dislike these bands, because I do, I'm just
saying that they are not as technically proficient or that they don't
display it as much at least). I was very dissapointed with apsog when I
bought it just like I was dissapointed with FII. The difference is that I
LOVE FII now that I have found those subtle nuances (as a bass player,
Myungs short fills is LitS drive me wild) whereas Apsog leaves me fealing
unsatisified and well, unpleasnatly grey.
As to the lyrics being far superior, I agree to a point. Much of
them are far better than many of today's lyrics (especaillly ska) but I
don't find them to be any better than many of the other "great" technical
bands out there. Mustaine, while not as consistant (ie he does write some
horrible crap, see psychotron) he does write some incredible stuff. The
lyrics to "Hell's Motel" is pure poetry and many of the lyrics on Rust In
Peace, Countdown to Extiction, and to a lesser degree Youthanasia, are
brilliant works of rhetoric. Fates do have their lrical moments and then
they write drivel like "i lie awake in this light, and i wonder where you
are tonight. Just add "baby" and your dealing with Bon Jovi.
Unless someone says, something REALLY incredible about Fates, I'd
sooner explore some of King's X's older stuff.
Sorry so long, and of course all of this is concrete and provable fact ;-)
(ooooh, damn my ego's acting up again, sic 'em Id!)
Seth
Seth Hatlelid
srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html
"After the confession of sins and before the Act of Contrition, the
priest is supposed to ask, Do you sincerely resolve not to commit this sins
again? But Father McSwain's hurry-up version was more like "Commit these
sins again?-to which I could have sincerely answered yes." -Michael Ryan,
Secret Life
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