YTSEJAM Digest 3326
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Michael Hedges
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
2) signed dt poster
by VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
3) A lot of things! :-)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
4) APSoG....
by "Nick Giannotti" <nickg@gis.net>
5) APSoG
by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
6) Re: APSoG
by "Brian J. Ketelsen" <bketelsen@earthlink.net>
7) [], FW
by "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
8) Re: A lot of things! :-)
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@cariibe.net>
9) Asking the musicians a favor.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
10) RE: FW "Chicago" show...(Some DTC)
by "Matt Mommaerts (Fox 47)" <mattymo@inxpress.net>
11) Re: 20 Minute songs
by Derfelt <Derfelt@aol.com>
12) Re: APSoG
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
13) Falling Into Infinity -- I like, I like!
by Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
14) prog cliches
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
15) trans-siberian orchestra
by Susan Verstraete <homewks@sound.net>
16) Re: 20 Minute songs
by Mike C <secrets@i1.net>
17) Re: prog cliches
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 97 15:14:25 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Michael Hedges
Message-ID: <3489c030605a004@mhub0.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <199712060710.XAA22411@odin.community.net>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
> I don't know if he wore seatbelts but PLEASE everybody
> wear seatbelts. It saved MY life!
Amen. A woman just crashed her van into the electric pole in my backyard. The
belt/airbag saved her. Even with those things, she managed to shatter the
windshield with her head.
-Brian
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Face it, make your stand, and realize you're living in the golden years."
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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 16:40:58 -0500
From: VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: signed dt poster
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971206214058.0069fc5c@pop.mindspring.com>
> I know that I, for one, will NEVER sell my autographed Japanese Awake
>and promo posters from Japan, and I sold my autographed Dance of
>Eternity once, but because it was a TDOE, not because it was
>autographed.
Remember way back when I gave away the signed DT 91 Tour poster
(including Kevin M sig). I can't recall this second the name
of the girl who won. She lives in England. (somthing like that).
P. Mcoughlin or
something like that. Are you STILL out there?
take care,
todd s
sticker/hat dude.
:)
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:14:57 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: A lot of things! :-)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971206195812.11701C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Ernesto Schnack wrote:
> > BTW, I heard (don't remember the source) that Opeth will be doing
> > a concept album!
>
> hmmm, i was under the impression that 'Morningrise' is a concept album...
I think that I'll reconsider hearing "Morningrise" with this in
mind and if it turns out to be true, this will make my opinion of the
album even higher than a 10. :-)
> > In latin countries (or so it seems) it is costumary to greet
> >friends or people that you consider a lot with hugs instead of with
>
> Heh, i think thats more of a brazilian custom...In most latin countries (as
> far as i know) we give handshakes w/ men, and kisses on the cheek to
> women... Of course in special occasions there are hugs.
Well, I was talking about "special" occasions. I think that I have
not written this clearly. Indeed, when you don't know a person or is just
having an occasional encounter with him/her, you usually have handshakes
(with women and men). When you have some kind of familiarity with the
person and (s)he is part of your circle of friends, you have handshakes
with men and kisses on the cheek with women, indeed.
But everything here seems to be common only in latin countries.
Am I wrong here? This is the impression I have.
[FII sound quality]
> Drums...i can hear them clearer than ever..I can understand evrything MP is
> playing.
Man I agree with the drums. It is simply incredible wrt drums.
This album makes me think of learning drums if I get music classes. The
drums are so incredible that I can't hear "Peruvian Skies" or "Burning my
Soul" without tapping everything I see in front of me. It is even harder
when I'm driving! :-) It ("Burning my Soul") makes me want to start
"double bassing" on my car. :-)
INCREDIBLE album. Thank you Dream Theater, thank you Portnoy for
producing such an incredible album.
> Keys? With every listen, I notice more and more that Derek is playing
> rhythm with his guitar sound, so it sounds like its just guitar...there are
> a lot of parts like that (like the heavy riff in NM right b4 the last
> chorus).
Well, I really miss those piano-like keyboards for I&W. Instead,
we have some organ-like or second-guitar keyboards, that gives us some jam
feeling (after I started hearing jazz, I started to appreciate some jazzy
aspects of FII). But one of the reasons I dig this album much more than
"Awake" is that JP guitars are not as right-in-yer-face as they were in
"Awake". I feel that the mixing of instruments is much better now.
> later,
> Ernesto
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:27:22 -0500 From: "Nick Giannotti" <nickg@gis.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: APSoG.... Message-ID: <199712062222.RAA06728@home.gis.net>
>Jason Braswell posted: > > I don't want to insult anyone, but I just had my first FW experience >with APSoG, and I must say that I wasn't impressed even in the least. >There was a total of about two minute's worth of real composition on >that album, and the rest was minimalist plunking! Anyone else agree >with me, or am I alone? > jason
I feel the exact same way. I got 'Chasing Time' because I had heard so much about FW on this list, and decided to give them a try. I was bored to tears by that album. Someone told me that I shouldn't have started with CT, because all their songs fit better in the context of their albums than they do in a singles collection, but as far as I was concerned, if the songs on CT reflect the albums they came off of, then I was all set.
Then I decided to get APSoG, just to hear what all the hype was about. I gave it a good try, about two months of listening to it, and couldn't get into it at all. There was nothing in the CD that grabbed me and held me (like DT does, for example). The only thing that caught my attention was that the production was pretty cool, but that hasn't made me want to put it in my CD player since. IMHO, the CD wasn't worth the money that I paid for it.
Flame away, all...
-Nicholas "Anyone who believes in psychokineses, raise my right hand."
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:32:40 -0400 From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: APSoG Message-ID: <199712062229.RAA07042@mail.trincoll.edu>
Hey all,
I just wanted to respond to Jason's post:
> I don't want to insult anyone, but I just had my first FW experience >with APSoG, and I must say that I wasn't impressed even in the least. >There was a total of about two minute's worth of real composition on >that album, and the rest was minimalist plunking! Anyone else agree >with me, or am I alone? > jason
I told my friend to buy this after hearing all the raves on the jam and hearing this album compared in greatness to Images and Words. Well, we (car-full of longtime DT fans/music students) were all REALLY unimpressed. IMHO, the stuff crosses the line of musical subtlety into plain old boredome. It just sounds so passionless and really goes nowhere. The production, composition and playing is in a totally different league from Dream Theater. It seems like a lot of people spend a lot of time justifying this album by telling Jason to "give the album a couple months." A couple months?? Do you remember the first time you heard ACOS? VERY different impact. Just my 2 cents. All of this is IMHO, as usual.
LAter, all! .
-Mike
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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 16:16:13 -0700 From: "Brian J. Ketelsen" <bketelsen@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: APSoG Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971206161613.009379a0@mail.earthlink.net>
>I told my friend to buy this after hearing all the raves on the jam and >hearing this album compared in greatness to Images and Words. Well, we >(car-full of longtime DT fans/music students) were all REALLY unimpressed. > IMHO, the stuff crosses the line of musical subtlety into plain old >boredome. It just sounds so passionless and really goes nowhere. The >production, composition and playing is in a totally different league from >Dream Theater. It seems like a lot of people spend a lot of time justifying >this album by telling Jason to "give the album a couple months." A couple >months?? Do you remember the first time you heard ACOS? VERY different >impact. Just my 2 cents. All of this is IMHO, as usual. > >LAter, all! . > >-Mike
The first time I heard ACOS I hated it. Of course it only took one more listening for it to become my favorite DT song of all time (that still stands). I have a FW cd. I don't know which it is. Listened to it once and wasn't impressed. Maybe I should put it in again.
BrianK
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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 15:19:55 PST From: "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: [], FW Message-ID: <19971206231955.24220.qmail@hotmail.com>
Oh, so THAT's what it means.....makes sense...arrays??!? Hehehe damn computer programmers... ;)
Since there has been significant FW content on the Jam lately, lemme ask the Fates-heads a question...I had Chasing Time for a while and I could barely stand it...there were a couple of tracks that didn't make me think of 80s hair metal, and I think Monument was one....anyway, what would the peanut gallery's recommendation be for the FW album I should get? (I get the feeling that hearing the compilation before a full album was a really bad idea...) P.S. I hate 80s hair metal ;)
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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 19:21:55 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@cariibe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A lot of things! :-) Message-ID: <3489DE12.82E6B8D3@cariibe.net>
Rogerio Brito wrote:
> Well, I was talking about "special" occasions. I think that I have > not written this clearly. Indeed, when you don't know a person or is just > having an occasional encounter with him/her, you usually have handshakes > (with women and men). When you have some kind of familiarity with the > person and (s)he is part of your circle of friends, you have handshakes > with men and kisses on the cheek with women, indeed. > > But everything here seems to be common only in latin countries. > Am I wrong here? This is the impression I have.
Yeah basically here in Puerto Rico too, if you see someone you already are familiar with then its handshake for the guy..or even the hug/pat thing ( ala Dr Katz) :) and the kiss on the cheek for the girl... when youre introduced well ...its basically handshakes ..unless youre drunk in a bar heheh
>
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:31:05 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Asking the musicians a favor. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971206152715.13596A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
OK, friends, I hope not everyone skips this. It looks like I'm gonna be in Carmel for the next nine months or so. As this is the case, I *need* to start up a band. I'm dying for lack of jammage. Being blind, I am unable to go to the book/music store and look in musicians' magazines to find addresses to send classified adds into in order to attract like-minded musicians' attention. (Wow, that last sentence was pretty crazy!) My favor is this: Can you guys send me some of those addresses by e-mail? I'd be forever in your debt. Not that that means a whole lot, but it would really help. If you would be so kind, mattb@mbay.net is the address. Please? Pretty please? With 2-hour epics on top? Thanks, and be well. Matt B
"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes; not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile... Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile, that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 18:34:17 -0600 From: "Matt Mommaerts (Fox 47)" <mattymo@inxpress.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: FW "Chicago" show...(Some DTC) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971206183417.007e8ea0@inxpress.net>
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 12:23:03 -0600 ]From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: FW "Chicago" show...
>Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 04:22:45 -0600 >From: "sykes" <sykes@inwave.com> >Anyhoo... the first opening band was GREAT! I didn't catch their name,
>they were called Luka Bratzo or something like that... named after some dood >in a Godfather movie I think. Scott from RWA told me that while they were >playing.
>Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 12:23:03 -0600 >From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: FW "Chicago" show...
>"great"-ness. IMVHO, they SUCKED FOUR-ASSED MONKEYS! As I spent my entire >evening leaning against the monitor in front of the stage, I was thankful I >had brought my earplugs. I'd call it "standard garage band with two brass >players tossed in because they were friends and didn't want to hurt their >feelings by tossing them out".
I thought they were Okay... but nothing I really wanted to hear before a FW show... and yea, they DID overstay their welcome... the soundguy was VERY sure about ending the show when they did. I mean... geeezus, they said "one more", and played about 3 more songs.... losers. Take the hint, and go home... let some real bands play! :-)
As for the lineup... my speculation is that they were all in a High School marching band together, and thought they could be in a really cool band together...I'm suprised they didn't do some version of "Louie Louie" although the Chuck Mangione (thanks Ryan) thing was cool!
RWA!!! WOW! they rule, and they are cool guys too... can't wait for the CD, too bad they aren't on a huge record label... maybe when the CD comes out...right? Heehee
DTC to follow...
more of a gripe... how about some more DT show reviews from people seeing the shows? The jam has seemed to turned into the Jam of past, ya know, when there was no album for a while or anything new going on with OFB. Although I do like the "rare Items" thread. :-)
Just a couple pennies worth from another Matt
Personal: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo Mosh Pit: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 19:37:16 EST From: Derfelt <Derfelt@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 20 Minute songs Message-ID: <9e698b5b.3489efbe@aol.com>
Hey, man! I LOVE Thick As A Brick! Don't knock it! If it weren't for Jethro Tull, I bet Derek Sherinian wouldn't be what he is today (based on the fact that he played on a Tull tribute album). It does the segue quite well, as does also A Passion Play, which uses an odd children's story set to music to bridge the two sides.
Which brings me to another point: I believe that Dream Theater should do a concept album similar to the two aforementioned albums in that it would be one 40-60 minute song. Think of the possibilities! Also, we know they can do at least 23 or 25 minutes (ACOS and Metropolis part II, respectively) on the same theme. Why not just complete the circle? It would make a MUCH better ending to the album than the cover songs on ACOS, which seem out of place in my opinion. Tell me what you think.
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 19:25:21 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: APSoG Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.971206190955.26314A-100000@short-eared.owlnet.rice.edu>
On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Michael Bradley wrote:
[Referring to APSoG] > It seems like a lot of people spend a lot of time justifying > this album by telling Jason to "give the album a couple months." A couple > months?? Do you remember the first time you heard ACOS? VERY different > impact. Just my 2 cents. All of this is IMHO, as usual.
Actually, I do remember the first time I heard ACoS. I thought that the covers were pretty cool, but I was thoroughly unimpressed with ACoS itself. And it did take me a couple of months to learn to appreciate it. But now I love it.
I had the exact same reaction to I&W the first time I heard it - I thought it was just a bunch of pointless goofing off, and I was not at all impressed. It wasn't until a year or so later, after coming to like WDADU, that I gave it another chance. And it eventually grew on me and is now my all-time favorite album.
There are a few other examples, but I won't bore you with them. My point, though, is that sometimes it *does* take a lot of time and a lot of listens to fully appreciate a new album, especially if it's complex and not what you're used to. I'd recommend that you give it a little more time, at least....someday you might be glad you did.
Mark McEuen mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 19:25:50 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Falling Into Infinity -- I like, I like! Message-ID: <199712070125.TAA32651@shell.busprod.com>
I bought Falling Into Infinity yesterday. I didn't know what to expect, considering that DT's formula has changed: Derek Sherinian is now part of the equation. He does a great job and seems like a great member of the band, his influence is there and it grooves well.
JOHN MYUNG HAS FINALLY TURNED HIS AMP ON!!
You can hear him, and furthermore, what I hear kicks ass! Love the ditty on "New Millenium." My favorite tracks so far are "New Millenium" "Lines in the Sand" (Doug Pinnick's backing vocals are soulful) and "Just Let Me Breath."
I never have been one for ballads, so I am still getting used to Hollow Years (which is depressing) and Anna Lee--I usually skip these tracks...
As for "You Not Me"--hate it.
Did I mention that you could hear John Myung? ;-)
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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 21:03:17 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: prog cliches Message-ID: <01IQV8IJOKHE002QZ0@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
If 12 minute epic songs, based on classic literature, can be considered prog, then I think it would be mandatory to include Maiden in the prog genre. The Rime of the Anciet Mariner comes to mind. I'm not even counting the plethora of literature and history based songs that make up their albums. Well, the *good* ones anyway, and you guys know which ones I'm talking about. I'm just thinking of the literature and history based songs that are *long*.
josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 18:09:17 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Verstraete <homewks@sound.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: trans-siberian orchestra Message-ID: <199712070209.SAA03432@odin.ax.com>
hello jammer, i have noticed a few references to the trans siberian orchestra. since i am sure that not all of you read the wall street journal, i'll pass this along. in fridays wall street (12/5) in the "market place" section there is an artical on christmas cd's. the artical referenced the trans siberian orchestra-christmas and other stories. the artical stated that thanks to air play the cd sold 100,000 copys in '96 and could sell as much as 500,000 more copies this year. it also went on to say that the orchestra will be on the rosie o'donnell show sometime this next week. also, has anyone heard when we can expect dt to tour the midwest (specifically kansas city) please post the information.
mike v. homewks@sound.net
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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 21:27:11 -0800 From: Mike C <secrets@i1.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 20 Minute songs Message-ID: <348A33AE.947B24DB@i1.net>
Didnt Dweezil Zappa just release a 40-60 minute song with guest apprances by some gun slingers? Mike
Derfelt wrote:
> Which brings me to another point: I believe that Dream Theater should do a > concept album similar to the two aforementioned albums in that it would be one > 40-60 minute song. Think of the possibilities! Also, we know they can do at > least 23 or 25 minutes (ACOS and Metropolis part II, respectively) on the same > theme. Why not just complete the circle? It would make a MUCH better ending > to the album than the cover songs on ACOS, which seem out of place in my > opinion. Tell me what you think.
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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 00:38:52 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: prog cliches Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971207003115.12621B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 6 Dec 1997 RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU wrote:
> If 12 minute epic songs, based on classic literature, can be considered prog, > then I think it would be mandatory to include Maiden in the prog genre. The > Rime of the Anciet Mariner comes to mind.
Just because something is 10+ minute long and based on literature doesn't mean that it is prog (for you Math people, A => B doesn't mean equivalence between A and B).
A song being 10+ minute long isn't sufficient (it's not even necessary, IMO) for it to be classified as prog.
But Iron Maiden has some elements of prog. Some. But I still call it plain metal (their album that resembles prog the most is, IMO, Seventh son of a Seventh Son).
> josh > rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
[]s, Roger...
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