YTSEJAM Digest 3324
Today's Topics:
1) Fates Warning, 12/5/97 ***Spoilers***
by someone@prognosis.com
2) APSoG, Cryptic Writings
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
3) Rarities
by Robin Fernie <gecko@netcafe.co.za>
4) CDs for sale
by "Buck Stodgers" <stodgers@nations.net>
5) kevin moore
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
6) Re: signoff thingy
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
7) re : Rare DT stuff
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
8) EMPTY TREMOR (the best new prog band)
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
9) Re: Rare DT Collectibles
by charles@yyz.com (Charles)
10) Re: A couple concert Reviews....
by "KillMary, your host to an era of supreme evil." <caschulze@mindspring.com>
11) Re: Fates Warning
by "KillMary, your host to an era of supreme evil." <caschulze@mindspring.com>
12) Re: Mind Control...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
13) Re: Mind Control
by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
14) Re: Rare Unofficial DT items
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
15) Re: Concept albums NDTC
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
16) Re: fates warning
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 04:28:40 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: fates@tier.net, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates Warning, 12/5/97 ***Spoilers***
Message-ID: <199712061023.CAA27591@odin.ax.com>
*** Some Spoilers ***
Hey folks.
Just got back from Fates Warning at Jackhammers in Schaumburg IL,
(12/5/97). It was quite the show!
There were 3 shirts available, all new for this leg of the tour.
One was like a fleece-looking kind of pull-over, in black with a FW
logo on it. One was tan, with 4 band pictures on the back and
various art on the front (Very cool) and one was a burgundy long
sleeve shirt (The coolest thus far).
2 opening bands at this show. The first was called "Lou something
or other." It was like an Italian name, beginning with a G, and it's
not important... what IS important is that they were annoying and not
very talented. Their guitarist made Kirk Hammet look like he uses
the wah pedal modestly. They sucked ass.
The next opener was the first real surprise of the night. They were
called "Rebel Without Applause," which most everyone thought was a
stupid band name. They are EXTREMELY good. Power grooves, similar
to Pantera at times, and similar to Megadeth at others, with a
soul-ish vocalist (something akin to Doug Pinnick). They were heavy
as hell, with a great, great drummer. Their tightness was enough to
knock you off your feet. Their album will be out in February. If
you see it, check it out.
Tearing the RWA gear down after their set, I noticed some very
depressing music on the PA... and something was very familiar.
Having never heard it before, I can't be positive, but I sincerely
believe that we were hearing Chromakey (Kevin Moore, Joey Vera,
and Mark Zonder). Sounded excellent, whatever it was.
Fates came on, and just RIPPED IT UP! The keyboardist is right on
(FINALLY!) and the band performed as well as I had hoped. Perhaps
better! They played through APSoG flawlessly (Despite a bit too much
flanger on the bass at one point... Joey was having a tough time
changing it with his foot... had to have the roadie come on stage to
fix it). The REAL treat, though, were the 2 encores!!! They played:
At Fates Hands, The Eleventh Hour, Acquiescence (from Ivory Gate of
Dreams!), Point of View, and Monument! What a set!!!
Perhaps the coolest thing of the whole evening, was that I had my
digital still camera with me! I managed to take 58 pictures at the
show! Joey and Ray both clearly saw me taking shots (I had heard
from a reliable source that they don't mind that sort of thing) and
just smiled, posed and gave me the thumbs up! Rock and Roll! After
the show I made sure to go thank Joey for being cool with that sort
of thing. He said he doesn't mind it at all unless there's flashes,
which he said piss him off. He basically said as long as you're not
being a distraction to the other fans in the crowd, and as long as
you aren't taking flash shots, he doesn't mind cameras at the shows.
Bootlegs may be another issue altogether (No, though I wish I did, I
did not bootleg this show).
Anyone wanting to see these pictures in a hurry (before I edit them,
and crop to make them all look as good as I can) can get the better
ones at http://www.prognosis.com/livefates
I'll make this into a web page soon, so it won't just be a cheesy
index. Please note that these are very large, and some are very
blurry. As I say, I'll go through and edit, and make a real gallery
of the better ones. Please, though, if you're going to take any of
these shots, don't use them on your web page without asking first. I
still have the original copies, and this was a lot of work, so I'd
like to be the one who presents them on the web for everyone!
Enjoy, and take care.
BTW, Ytsejammers, I just thought you'd want this info... respond to
me personally, and not to the jam, if you want me to see it.
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 13:48:38 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: APSoG, Cryptic Writings
Message-ID: <3487EA16.354744D8@Netvision.net.il>
Hi All!
Been lurking lately, cos I didn't have much free time.... anyhow, I got
those 2 CDs (well, not exactly. Borrowed from a friend), and I must
comment:
APSoG: Amazing CD. I gotta get this CD. It doesn't get out of my mind.
Cryptic Writings: Cool CD. Deffenetaly a CD to get.
Well, gotta go
Laterz,
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the
end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 03:26:45
From: Robin Fernie <gecko@netcafe.co.za>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rarities
Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19971207032645.19772876@netcafe.co.za>
Hey, I suppose it all depends on where you're from - it's almost impossible
to get any DT or FW in South Africa. You can order Awake, wait 3 months for
it and then pay the equivalent of $45 for it. I try get all my stuff in
Europe but since I only go over every 6 or 9 months it can be a real pain.
I have a bootleg of WDADU, but no-one here even knows how to get hold of it
on order, Can someone help me out with a mail order address? What you guys
call rarities we call impossible. Anyone have an idea whether DT will ever
come to darkest Africa? There's a fairsized fan base here who would kill to
see them live. Thank God for liveconcerts.com!
Bummer about Michael Hedges - I remeber learning "The Happy Couple" as my
first alt. tuning piece.
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:01:01 -0500
From: "Buck Stodgers" <stodgers@nations.net>
To: <YTSEJAM@ax.com>
Subject: CDs for sale
Message-ID: <079f850041406c7EDISTO@nations.net>
Hello all,
Just putting this out there for those who didn't see it the first time
around:
Well, its Xmas time, and I need money, so I'm putting up three Mike Bahr
creations for sale: Critical Mass, Darkest of Winters, and Precious Things.
All three are sold out, so this is the only way to get originals. I
figure auction format is the best way to do this, so I'll take bids up
through Monday. Starting prices: CM-$50; TDoW-$25; PT-$25. All prices
will require an additional charge of $3 for shipping and handling.
Let the bidding begin.
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:10:28 EST
From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: kevin moore
Message-ID: <4b9dc93.34895cd6@aol.com>
In a message dated 12/6/97 3:09:42, you wrote:
>So I guess KM got tired of film school, bought a time machine and a
>transmogrifier, and turned himself into a 50ish car mechanic working in
>Bridgewater, MA.
>
>And you wonder how all the weird rumors about him start....
i guess that's what testicular cancer can do to you, eh?
ytsegoon
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david y. kobayashi
the new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"until the circle breaks and wisdom lies ahead, the faithful live Awake, the
rest remain misled." -j. petrucci
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:52:47 -0600
From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: signoff thingy
Message-ID: <01bd0256$9e171dc0$242227d1@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
>By the way...what the hell does []'s mean?!? There's a couple of jammers
>who use that as a signoff...Rogerio? *lol* That's been bugging me for a
>while.
I always figured he was declaring an array (this will be a programmer joke).
:)
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 16:10:32 -0800
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re : Rare DT stuff
Message-ID: <3489E978.79AE@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Let's see, I have :
ATCO 4 track promo sampler (LP) including Metropolis I !!!!!!!!!
Pull Me Under 3 track promo CD
Lie 1 track promo Digipack CD
The Silent Man 1 track promo CD
Caught In A Web 2 track promo CD with the nice spider cover
Awake US promo CD
Falling Into Infinity German promo CD
A Change Of Seasons very rare promo Cassette
Images And Words long Box
Lie 4 track maxi CD including To Live Forever
Awake limited 2CD from Japan
I'm searching for the Another Day maxi CD for more then 2 years.
Can anyone help me ?
Arash
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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 16:11:02 -0800
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: EMPTY TREMOR (the best new prog band)
Message-ID: <3489E996.3620@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Since I've got no response, here again :
I've made a site with some samples from the incredible new band "EMPTY TREMOR".
URL : http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/empty.htm
I think Empty Tremor are the best new band since Shadow Gallery.
Please try the samples and mail me any suggstions.
Thank you
Arash
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 07:38:38 -0800
From: charles@yyz.com (Charles)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Rare DT Collectibles
Message-ID: <v01510105b0af21817e45@[207.167.66.74]>
With all this talk of the most collectible items I thought I would throw in
my little treasure.
I guess I am lucky. A few years back when I first got into Dream Theater I
found a vinyl copy of WDADU. Was their only one pressing of this? It
carries both the MCA and Mechanic records logo. It says Pressed by MCA for
Mechanic records... Or something to that effect. I think I got it for $5
and its in Mint condition.
-Charles
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 10:40:50 -0500 (EST)
From: "KillMary, your host to an era of supreme evil." <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: A couple concert Reviews....
Message-ID: <199712061540.KAA12516@camel8.mindspring.com>
Time for me to write a concert review too...
Yesterday I saw Pantera/Coal Chamber/Anthrax.
Coal Chamber: Honestly, I liked the CD but I haven't been listening to it
much. But I don't know, seeing the stuff live is kinda weird... because when
I saw them playing live, I thought... man, this sucks... the guitar player
only plays the same 3 or 4 chords all the time and doesn't know how to play
any leads. Most of the time he stays on this down tuned E chord for the
whole song. The chick bass player can't play for shit and makes it really
obvious that the thing is coreographed. The drummer can do his shit, he's
good in a Dave Grohl kinda way. And the singer... he's a bad actor. He makes
it obvious that he's acting up, that's not him up on stage. His voice is
cool though, I just wish they had songs where he doesn't repeat the same
fucking phrase like 124 times during the song (this is the way it has to
be.... this is the way it has to be.....).
You know what? These guys, collectively, have less talent than Nirvana. And
I hate Nirvana. I guess that means I hate Coal Chamber now.
Anthrax: Man these guys rip. I had seen them before playing with Fight in
Atlanta (awesome show too btw). Frank Bello always amazes me, he and Scott
Ian really are the life of the party, Charlie Benante is great as usual (I
think he outperforms Vinnie Paul SO easily), and John Bush... I didn't like
the guy at first, I always preferred Belladona... but he rips. John Bush has
one of those cool cool cool COOL voices, and he knows how to use it. He
knows how to work a crowd. Perfect show. These guys are still around because
they love what they do, and it shows.
Pantera: OK. I'm gonna be eaten up for this one, but I'll say it. Pantera
sucked. The sound got bad again (it was never good, but during Anthrax it
was not in the way of the show and you could hear everybody fine). Maybe it
was because of the 16 Randall heads and cabinets laying on stage (by the
way, none of the Randall heads was turned on. I'm pretty sure Dimebag had a
few Marshall heads back behind that wall of Randalls - I've seen it when I
hung out backstage at Obituary, people do that crap to get money from the
companies, but they don't use their stuff, just the cabinets). Rexx also had
16 Ampeg cabinets, and I bet he does use those Ampegs :-).
Phill was really fucking drunk. He started preaching his redneck bigot
philosophys that took no long to really piss me off. Why is it that he has
to talk for 10 minutes between songs? I left after 45 minutes of their show,
and they had played like 4 songs by then. It completely sucked, and there
were more people leaving when I left. If Anthrax hadn't been so fucking
awesome, I would have felt cheated. But Anthrax was worth the price of the
ticket alone.
That's it for now...
K.
"Four billion years within our ears, still hatred brings as many tears" -
Queensr=FFche, sp00L
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:06:12 -0500 (EST)
From: "KillMary, your host to an era of supreme evil." <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <199712061606.LAA24526@camel8.mindspring.com>
> I don't want to insult anyone, but I just had my first FW experience=20
>with APSoG, and I must say that I wasn't impressed even in the least. =20
>There was a total of about two minute's worth of real composition on=20
>that album, and the rest was minimalist plunking! Anyone else agree=20
>with me, or am I alone?
> jason
I'd like to believe you're alone. :-)
1) I don't see the minimalism you're talking about
2) APSoG is obviously an album that requires many listenings for one to be
able to really "get it"... give it a few more tries (maybe on a rainy day...
it almost changes the whole listening perspective...)
My fave track off the CD is 12... I really love that little guitar
patterns that repeats throughout the song... kinda reminds me of something
Roger Waters would write... (wait, he did, it's called The Tide is Turning!
awesome song btw) :-)
K.
"Four billion years within our ears, still hatred brings as many tears" -
Queensr=FFche, sp00L
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:53:07 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Mind Control...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971206144956.10957A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Lerxst wrote:
> Hey, 'jammers. I was listening to the _Mind Control_ boot the
> other day for the first time, as my friend Matt had lent it to me. Then,
> after "Voices" there was a speech by some Japanese guy and then a 15
> second silent time as per James's request. I was wondering if anyone knew
> or has figured out what the guy was saying. I was very curious about it.
> Sorry if this is in a FAQ somewhere; if it is I missed it. Jam on.
Well, I'd be happy to know what exactly James is saying there. It
seems to me:
"Just hang on a second"
"Let me study the (your??) language before you talk to me(???)"
I don't remember exactly by heart what he said, but it was along
these lines and I'm not sure what he speaks after the word "before".
[]s, Roger...
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Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html
"Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters"
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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 11:53:58 -0500
From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mind Control
Message-ID: <34898326.500611B7@disknet.com>
> Hey, 'jammers. I was listening to the _Mind Control_ boot the
> other day for the first time, as my friend Matt had lent it to me. Then,
> after "Voices" there was a speech by some Japanese guy and then a 15
> second silent time as per James's request. I was wondering if anyone knew
> or has figured out what the guy was saying. I was very curious about it.
> Sorry if this is in a FAQ somewhere; if it is I missed it. Jam on.
>
> Odelay,
> Josh
I believe this speech is related to the Kobe earthquake in Japan that occured in
early 1995 while DT was touring over there. The Japanese guy is probably asking
the crowd for a moment of silence for those that lost their lives in the quake. I
can't be positive of this since I don't speak Japanese, but I really think that
is right. C-ya,
~Matt
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:55:00 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Rare Unofficial DT items
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971206145342.10957B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Rick Audet wrote:
> "Images & Tour!". I hear this is a good-sounding collection of various DT
> demos and stuff....or something.
According to Mike Bahr, this one is just taken from the "Live in
Tokyo" home video and from "Live at the Marquee". So, it is not that
important.
> Rick Audet
[]s, Roger...
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Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html
"Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters"
James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:57:52 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Concept albums NDTC
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971206145545.10957C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Stephan Dobay wrote:
> Speaking of concept albums, I just saw an interview with Ronnie
> James Dio, and he says after the next (live) album, he will be
> making a concept album, possibly two CDs in length!
Wow! Man, this would be really incredible!
BTW, I heard (don't remember the source) that Opeth will be doing
a concept album!
Do any of you guys know of any death/black metal albums that are
concept albums instead of song oriented (as most of them seem to be)? I'm
really curious to know and will probably buy it.
[]s, Roger...
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Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito
Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html
"Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters"
James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:59:48 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: fates warning
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971206145830.10957D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, jason braswell wrote:
> I don't want to insult anyone, but I just had my first FW experience
> with APSoG, and I must say that I wasn't impressed even in the least.
> There was a total of about two minute's worth of real composition on
> that album, and the rest was minimalist plunking! Anyone else agree
> with me, or am I alone?
What do you mean by "minimalist"? New Age? If yes, I don't think
we can even start to argue, since our point of view of the album aren't
related at all.
> jason
[]s, Roger...
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Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html
"Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters"
James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters
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