YTSEJAM Digest 3311
Today's Topics:
1) ATTN: Taco Bell N64 Game Players...
by Pat Griffin <shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu>
2) Re: Atlanta / Outer Edge FW show
by Cappy <mgjones@mcs.net>
3) Re: Atlanta / Outer Edge FW show
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
4) Atlanta FW info -- show IS the 14th
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
5) Re: Megadeth, Eve, and TLF.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
6) KG
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
7) Some comments
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
8) Turkeys, Names and Gigs
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
9) Does Fates sound like DT?
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
10) Faith no more (NDTC)
by "Joshua P. Walkowicz" <jpwalkowicz@freh-03.adpc.purdue.edu>
11) Fates Warning in Baltimore
by "Timothy C. Wann" <timw@atscom.net>
12) Hey, a request from Portnoy
by Antti Nyrhinen <nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3310
by "Ron T. Reiman" <rtreiman@worldnet.att.net>
14) Cakewalk
by Nicholas Giannotti <nickg@gis.net>
15) re: X-giving
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3310
by babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
17) re: circular breathing
by Chad Donovan Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com>
18) re: YTSEJAM digest 3308
by mwal@econ.vu.nl
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:55:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ATTN: Taco Bell N64 Game Players...
Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.971202225056.3797A-100000@devnull.cc.missouri.edu>
If you play the Nintendo 64 game coin thing at Taco Bell, please read
this...
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If you have a '4' gamepiece, and you wouldn't mind splitting $250,000 with
me, please email me soon. :)
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h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o /
| Pat Griffin Reality Squared Design |
| gabbo@dreamt.org shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o /
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:29:14 -0600
From: Cappy <mgjones@mcs.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Atlanta / Outer Edge FW show
Message-ID: <19971202232914.50940@mcs.net>
Brian P. Kelley wrote:
> Btw, if anybody could give me some info on FW I'd be appreciative. I have
> NEVER heard their music and how closely related to DT are they? As long as
> they're not death metal (a la King Diamond), I'll be fine! Not a real fan
> of that genre.
No. Nothing like that (death metal). You can check out Mike Kizer's site
at http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw/fw.htm and get some info along with
some sound clips of their music. However, the sound clips, as with Dream
Theater, don't do Fates real justice, particularly on APSoG. APSoG is a
masterpiece to be experienced in its entirety to be truely appreciated. If
you're a Dream Theater fan, there's a pretty good chance you at least like
Fates Warning if you don't end up loving them.
> I'll stop this thread from spinning any further... but I just can't wait for
> the Twisted Sister reunion (yeah, they rule, huh huh!! :)
Dee Snider came to Chicago a week after Dream Theater did I think :)
-- Mike Jones, mgjones@mcs.net __________ Cappy _________ cappy@progmetal.org Parallels - Official Fates Warning Mailing List | Progressive Metal Hub http://www.progmetal.org/fateswarning | http://www.progmetal.org------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 03:52:25 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Atlanta / Outer Edge FW show Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971203034637.13104B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Cappy wrote:
> Brian P. Kelley wrote: > > Btw, if anybody could give me some info on FW I'd be appreciative. I have > > NEVER heard their music and how closely related to DT are they? As long as > > they're not death metal (a la King Diamond), I'll be fine! Not a real fan > > of that genre.
Now you got me there... King Diamond death metal? I only know some of his songs and they don't seem like any death metal that I know. I'd classify him as power metal/melodic heavy metal. I may be wrong.
BTW, how many of you also think that WDADU leads towards some power metal? This was the first impression that I had and a week ago (I'm not sure) I was arguing with Cassiano about this and told me the album was "purely progressive". I still think it has 80% of melodic heavy metal and 20% of progressive... Ok, maybe 70/30, but I'd not label it as being "progressive". Maybe a mix, but not progressive.
> No. Nothing like that (death metal). You can check out Mike Kizer's site > at http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw/fw.htm and get some info along with > some sound clips of their music. However, the sound clips, as with Dream > Theater, don't do Fates real justice, particularly on APSoG. APSoG is a > masterpiece to be experienced in its entirety to be truely appreciated. If > you're a Dream Theater fan, there's a pretty good chance you at least like > Fates Warning if you don't end up loving them.
APSoG is maybe hard to get into, but you're right. The sound quality of the album is an important factor that influences the atmosphere of the song.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:03:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: carter@negia.net Subject: Atlanta FW info -- show IS the 14th Message-ID: <199712030603.AA25119@crl.crl.com>
I spoke with someone at the Outer Edge here who actually had a clue. The show IS the 14th, not the 3rd (he said the paper misprinted the ad. Yea, riiight.)
Tickets are $7 advance, $10 at the door, and should, he said, be available at Ticketmaster by 10am Wednesday.
Tickets for Dream Theater at the Masquerade are available at the Masquerade box office (this is a polite way of saying "office"; you'll probably have to call on the intercom to gain admittance to The Slagpile We Love To Hate) between 10am and 7pm weekdays, if you'd like to avoid the $3.00+ Ticketbastard fee. They're $16.50 at the venue, just shy of $20.00 via TM.
-- +-- ...once the cloud that's raining ---+- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | over your head / disappears | vanyel@crl.com | | the noise that you hear | www.crl.com/~vanyel | +--is the crashing down of Hollow Years.... --+---- ICQ #4151223 -----+
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:54:19 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Megadeth, Eve, and TLF. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971202224756.31825A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
OK, Dave M's voice is the only thing I can't stand about Megadeth. He sounds like Poppie. Due to the goodness of a fellow jammer, what up again dude, I have heard and have coppies of TLF and Eve. Eve is perhaps one of the most moving and beautiful instrumentals I have heard by DT. It makes me wanna cry. KM, I hope you take breaks from industrial/techno stuff and write really slow pretty stuff like this and SDV and WFS again. The guitar solow is going on JP's most tasteful yet. It fits perfectly. I love the sparse guitar in the beginning, too. OK, TLF. I'm not hugely impressed. I can see why it's not on any of the US released alboms. It's an OK DT song, but IMHO it's far from the best. The guitar solow remends me of EVH it's almost sick, though I dig it. The tone sounds VH, the phrasing is VH, everything. Just me $200. Question, why does every damned prog guitarist use the phrase where you play a note, go up a half step, and go a fifth above that? Jesus! It's as clicie as many of the blues phrases which are still played to death by blues guitarists. Sure, use the phrase, but don't let it stand alone anymore, goddammit!!!!! Add some notes. No me gustan las clicies. Fuck it. Carry on. Be well. Matt B
"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes; not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile... Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile, that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 00:04:15 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: KG Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-971203080415Z-12971@ms.Kallback.com>
]From Bill Shein of Buzzsaw
WHERE THE "G" IS FOR, "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SHUT THE HELL UP!" - Fake jazz purveyor Kenny G. yesterday set a Guinness record by holding an E flat on a saxophone for 45 minutes and 47 seconds. In addition to this feat, G. currently holds the Guinness record for "Most Annoying Hair."
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:01:20 +0100 From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de> To: "The Ytsejam Crowd" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Some comments Message-ID: <9712030806.AA32324@server3.software-ag.de>
Hi all
I was at the Vanden Plas/Dream Theater show in Offenbach last night, and here are a couple of comments and thoughts.
I was lucky enough to get an all areas access pass for the show. Talking to the guys before and after the show was interesting. It also meant that I spent the whole show sitting at the side of the stage about 3 yards from Derek - this was the best view of Dream Theater that is imaginable.
Vanden Plas were an ideal opener for Dream Theater. They played an excellent set, although the singer was handicapped by a cold. Anybody going to the shows in the next days is in for a real treat: watch out for the song 'Rainmaker' in particular. The guys got the crowd going and came over very well. With bands like this around, why did Dream Theater ever take Enchant or Fates Warning out on the road with them?
I hate Dream Theater. Every time I think I've kicked the habit, they come back, put on a show that is so sick that it's frightening and ruin any concerts I'll be going to until Dream Theater come back. Enough has already been said about the play list, how good they are etc., so I'll try and keep this short. Hearing 'Scarred' live just reinforced my opinion that this is the best song they've done. Sitting so close and being able to see and hear everything so clearly just went to make this the most memorable concert experience I've had in 25 years of going to shows - it was that fucking good.
To those of you going to the other European shows - enjoy, and also support Vanden Plas.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) (http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/2321) Currently playing: Alice In Chains - Dirt (I wonder why?)
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 09:48:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Turkeys, Names and Gigs Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-1203094820-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
Turkey. Don't Americans eat it at Christmas? Over here, the stuffing, cranberry sauce, wine, etc, all appear on Christmas Day. I was amused to read an American journalist's review of Bean (the Rowan Atkinson movie), in which the title character sticks his head up a turkey's arse. The journalist seemed to think this was a "Thanksgiving" turkey, despite the fact that Bean is plainly English. Hmmm.
More mindless wittering . . . I've noticed that in the States, people refer to a band as "it" (a singular object), whereas in the UK I would normally refer to "them" (a group of people). The phrase "Dream Theater has released its new album" just sounds totally wrong to me. "DT have released their new album" seems much more natural. Personal preference, I suppose.
And finally . . . next Tuesday, at the gig in London, I'll be the one with the Ytsejam t-shirt and the Scottish accent. Say hello.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 05:46:06 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Does Fates sound like DT? Message-ID: <v01530500b0aae6566009@[209.50.100.118]>
>>Btw, if anybody could give me some info on FW I'd be appreciative. I have >>NEVER heard their music and how closely related to DT are they? As long as >>they're not death metal (a la King Diamond), I'll be fine!
Actually King Diamond is not death metal. I think he sounds more like DT than a lot of other prog metal. Far as fates and Dt, I wouldn't say they sound alike, just happens that they share a good portion of their fan base because the music is well written, sounds good, and is appreciated by people who understand music.
>>Someone give me some places to buy prog...
Call Denis at (201) 691-5859
Take care, -Jeff Keifling
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:47:55 EST From: "Joshua P. Walkowicz" <jpwalkowicz@freh-03.adpc.purdue.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Faith no more (NDTC) Message-ID: <E9A372E38@freh-03.adpc.purdue.edu>
Last night I saw a song from Faith no More on that 12 angry viewers show (yes I watch it sometimes....it is one of the few places you can hear new music), anyways, they played a song from FNM with the word Ashes in the title. I was wondering if anyone has the "Album of the year", and what they thought of it. I really liked the song, and to interest me more, all of the morons on the show hated it.
Thanks, Josh
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joshua Walkowicz jpwalkowicz@pfrem.purdue.edu
"Well, hello Mr. Fancy Pants. I've got news for you pal. You are the leader for only two things right now...Jack and shit, and Jack just left town." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:09:19 -0500 From: "Timothy C. Wann" <timw@atscom.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates Warning in Baltimore Message-ID: <348559FF.18399273@atscom.net>
Hey, Any jammers out there going to the Fates Warning/ Mercury Rising show on Friday, December 12th at Daytona's? For any of you who haven't been to Daytona's, it's a great place to see a show. It's big enough to hold major acts while maintaining a small club feel, and it's LOUD. Should be excelent.
-Tim
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:14:38 +0200 (EET) From: Antti Nyrhinen <nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hey, a request from Portnoy Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971203151102.12163D-100000@leandra.ebs.ee>
I just got off the phone with Mike Portnoy! As you know, he's asked for taped boxing matches before and he's a big fan of fighting.. So, he kindly asked if some kind soul going to a DT shows in the near future would get him a videotape of the much-touted fight between the Heavyweight Champion of Arizona, Mike Bahr, and (in the red corner) The CD-Shop Robber, a.k.a. "Raise the Knife".
Let's get ready to rumble!
j/k :)
-antti
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Antti Nyrhinen -- nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee -- Tel. +358-40-5858611 - Student of Int. Bus. Admin. at the Estonian Business School - - - - Find all you need in your mind if you take the time - - -
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 06:25:52 -0800 From: "Ron T. Reiman" <rtreiman@worldnet.att.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3310 Message-ID: <34856BF0.5DC2@worldnet.att.net>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > YTSEJAM Digest 3310 > > Today's Topics: > > 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3309 > by Einstein H Zappa <afn39111@afn.org> > 2) Big Wreck on Rockline! > by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> > 3) Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC) > by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> > 4) The BIG "b" > by zeus@olymp.com > 5) Re: Thanksgiving? (NDTC) > by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> > 6) Merry Axemas, other X-mas music: NDTC > by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley) > 7) Liveconcerts archive!! > by Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu> > 8) CB and woodwinds > by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu> > 9) > by "Stephanie Beaulieu" <serenawiththepic@hotmail.com> > 10) Fates in Atlanta. Well, Marietta. > by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> > 11) Re: Atlanta / Outer Edge FW show > by "Brian P. Kelley" <bpkelley@mindspring.com> > 12) Re: Watrous > by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET> > 13) Re: Trust and DT > by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) > 14) Re: hollow years single > by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) > 15) Atlanta/Marietta Fatez show > by "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <wfoll@america.net> > 16) Megadeth and Dream Theater...two complementary bands > by "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <wfoll@america.net> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > End of YTSEJAM Digest 3310 > ************************** Take me off your list!
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:44:01 -0500 From: Nicholas Giannotti <nickg@gis.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Cakewalk Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19971203084401.476f3f0a@pop.gis.net>
Hey all.
Anyone who uses Cakewalk software, or would just like an interesting perspective on it, there's an exceptionally long article regarding their inception and business practices in today's issue of the Boston Globe. You most likely can get this online through the Globe's archives (www.boston.com, I believe, or something to that extent), but if anyone wants, private email me and I'll type it up and shoot it out to you.
-Nicholas
"Everyone who believes in psychokinesis please raise my right hand."
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:07:28 -0500 From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: X-giving Message-ID: <199712031400.JAA26867@kira.ici.net>
>> It means we get together with our families, eat turkeys, and >> watch (American) football. Or something like that. :) > > Isn't that what Christmas is all about? :-)
No, at Christmas we eat ham. :)
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 09:08:03 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3310 Message-ID: <v01510101b0aade0b9d3c@[137.238.26.12]>
>The only band I've ever seen at The Outer Edge fairly recently was... (y'all >are gonna laugh...) ...RATT!!! Don't blame me, Vaiman talked me into going >;) Actually it wasn't all that bad, except Robin Crosby wasn't with them.
In case you were wondering what happened to Robin Crosby the last I knew he was playing in a band called Rumbledog. It had a former member, Hendrick Ostergaard, of Dirty Looks (1988 band on Atlantic) and couple other musicians. Rumbledog recorded a release about 3 years ago at Mirror Records in Rochester, NY. Don't know if they are still together or not.
>Pearcy still looked the same
Yeah - does anybody remember Arcade from a few years ago - I think that he was in that band too.
BABS
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:07:15 -0600 (CST) From: Chad Donovan Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: circular breathing Message-ID: <199712031407.IAA07553@telepath.com>
> For a really good example of how it sounds, there is a Wynton >Marsalis CD called "Carnaval" where he plays a song for 4:10 or so, >seemingly without taking a breath.
Wynton's never really been known for using circular breathing. I suspect the reason that it sounds that way is that he's such a master of phrasing that you don't notice his breathing.
Circular breathing is really just a parlor trick anyway. Phrasing is such an important part of a good jazz player's style that most wouldn't do it even if they could. Chad Mitchell "Doctors get to bury their mistakes...Architects can only advise their clients to plant vines." -- Frank Lloyd Wright
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 97 15:12:52 MET From: mwal@econ.vu.nl To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: YTSEJAM digest 3308 Message-ID: <vines.Y+I8+2IMVoA@ecu.econ.vu.nl>
>From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
Clark wrote,
That was very true for me of both >PMU and especially TTT, which I've just recently begun to be able to=20 >enjoy again, now that I've forgotten most of the guitar parts (really... >it sounds stupid but it's true) When I learn the guitar parts to DT=20 >songs, it becomes hard to hear them the same way, because I just can't >hear the way the guitars fit in with the rest of the instruments=20 >anymore. I have vowed never to learn LTL for this reason... I'm afraid >it would ruin my favorite DT song. There are a few exceptions, though. >I actually gained an increased appreciation for Ytsejam and Metropolis >when I started to learn those, because I paid even more attention than >usual to all the individual parts. Has anyone else experienced this >phenomenon?
Yes, I know what you mean. I play piano and everytime I study a song that I know already, it loses it's feel. I tried some parts from SDV for intstance but I can't seem to make it sound the same. I think it's because at first you have to study the melodies, so you keep playing it over and over again. I tend to play things faster when I'm getting to know it better, and I'm more and more neglecting the "feel" of it. And afterwards, I'm not satisfied with the sounding of it anymore. I've heard someone play the first riff from PMU and I think he played it cor- rectly, but it just sounded childish or something.
On the other hand, I think the cool thing about playing something by yourself is that you start noticing parts from a song that you wouldn't by just hearing it.
Marc
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