YTSEJAM Digest 3336
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Radio Head; Focus; Yuli Jon Roth; Michael Schenkar
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
2) Sorry...
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
3) loreena mckennit, musical research
by matt rosin <surreality@pobox.com>
4) Re: KERRY KING?!!!
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
5) Kaboob
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
6) DT rarities
by "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
7) Lorenna McKinnet, more FW Bashing (I guess), Bjork (this is kinda long)
by "Nick Giannotti" <nickg@gis.net>
8) Yet another misheard part in DT.
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
9) Re: KERRY KING?!!!
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
10) FW
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
11) Re: Mustaine's hexes and Lorenna Mckinnet
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3335
by Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
13) Re: RAREST DREAM THEATER PRODUCT
by Tim Lodge <axe@mail1.nai.net>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3335
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
15) Fates Warning
by Arcova <Arcova@aol.com>
16)
by "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
17) cd's for sale
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:20:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Radio Head; Focus; Yuli Jon Roth; Michael Schenkar
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971208191735.14732A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
To Eckie and all,
I think OK Computer is awesome. There's little if no technical
brilliance, but the writing is outstanding. I've never heard such wacked
chord progressions that work. I really want that albom. It desimates the
last one.
Can someone e-mail me URL's for Focus, Yuli jon Roth, and Michael
Schenkar? I love these guys and I want to see discographies so I can plan
on picking up this shit. IMHO, Focus' Hocus Pocus makes Gary Howey look
like a poser. Be well.
Matt B
"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes;
not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile...
Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a
thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile,
that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 22:41:36 -0500
From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
To: Bill Broznick <BROZNICK.W@MELLON.COM>,
Subject: Sorry...
Message-ID: <348CBDF0.1FC9D49D@enter.net>
about the incorrect link......it looks like a missed the 'l' in htm'l'.
so here it is again....
http://www.enter.net/~bduesterhoeft/bruweb.html
thanks Rick Audet and Dave Neff for letting me know about the mistype.
BTW: The surprise is under - something new - FYI
later
Bruce
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:44:44 -0600
From: matt rosin <surreality@pobox.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: loreena mckennit, musical research
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971208214444.0068c1f0@unix.tamu.edu>
>What do you mean by Lorenna Mckinnet being a great musical researcher? I
>don't get it. Is the rest of "Book of Secrets" as good as the Mummers
>dance? If it is I'm getting it tomorrow.
yes, it is just as good, but if you're expecting something in the same
up-tempo vein, you'll be disappointed. most of it less beat/percussion
oriented. it is superb music, however. if you have an open mind toward
music, you will love it.
by saying that she is a great musical researcher, i am referring to the fact
that much of her music are highly researched and documented poems or works
of renaissance/celtic/middle ages literature which she then sets to music.
one example is a musical version of "the lady of shalott", which is on her
previous album, "the mask and the mirror" (which is also superb).
so, basically, she's not only a musician, but somewhat of a musical
anthropologist as well. she travels quite a bit not only performing,
but researching music.
all of this aside, i highly recommend "the book of secrets". be aware,
however, that she is not a rock musician, and the bulk of her music is
not rock-oriented. "the mummer's dance" is, however, a fairly decent
representation of the types of sounds she uses (though to my recollection
it doesn't have any harp in it, which she uses pretty extensively).
-matt.
s u r r e a l i t y ------------------------------------
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* po box 864 * dark ethereal music *
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------------------------------------ s u r r e a l i t y
"it's not dark yet, but it's getting there." ---bob dylan, "not dark yet"
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 20:57:55 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: KERRY KING?!!!
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971208205754.006c9dec@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 06:17 PM 12/8/97 -0800, Seth wrote:
>Ok, this is a buncha questions. Yes, Mustaine was part of one of the first
>line ups of metallica. There were some other guys (Kerry King, Ron
>McGovney, some other people who suck) and then Dave joined up.
When the HELL was Kerry King in Metallica? Slayer isn't that close to
Metallica :)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:09:18 -0500
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kaboob
Message-ID: <348CC46D.4A48@earthlink.net>
Something with half a brain spewed:
> ***Well you might be in the right place to get info on other progressive
> bands. BUT, you are in the wrong place to be totally knocking DT.
Not knocking them Cartman..just knocking the list...inane post after
inane post gets to you after a while.....
> the area where you will find out where John Petrucci played the solo of
> Metropolis on his shoelaces and this is the place where you will find out
> whether or not Myung finally said Hi.
Yes, and I need to read this ten times in one digest because??????????
> A friendly bit of advice for
> you...Keep scanning, but don't say anything..
Something you've obviously ignored.
> it'll save us a little bit of
> anxiety with your stupid remarks.
Ahem..if these stupid remarks are making you anxious then you have
bigger things to worry about.
> If you don't like that, well, let me be
> the first jammer to offer you the door.. I've been offered it before myself
Really?! You?? Wow, who would've thought?
> for being a dick, maybe it's your turn.
Nah, thats ok. You're doing a fine job all by yourself.
*** In order to save this post from total worthlessness I just want to
remind everyone that TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA is scheduled to perform
(as well as show video clips of Sarajevo 12/24 and Christmas Eve) on the
Rosie O'Donnell Show tomorrow Dec. 9th Maybe they'll shock everyone and
bust into "Hounds" :)
cheers,
Carlo
--
_
__| |__
"When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __|
maybe then you'll begin to understand | |
Life down here is just a strange illusion." | |
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--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:20:11 -0600 (CST)
From: "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT rarities
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.971208220313.106302C-100000@black.weeg.uiowa.edu>
I've got lots of boots but don't think any are real scarce with
the exception of Conciously Unreal-think Bahr said that was a tough one to
find-and Majestic Harmonies which I havn't heard anything about as to how
rare it is. Most likely my rarest item is my color silk Awake flag that's
decorated w/ the Lie single pic-at least it's the pic on my particular
Lie single. Or if you remember Mike's bass heads during that tour, that's
it. By the way, if any of you out there w/ I&W posters don't want them
any more I'll gladly help ya out=)
-Frantz-
dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:24:01 -0500
From: "Nick Giannotti" <nickg@gis.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lorenna McKinnet, more FW Bashing (I guess), Bjork (this is kinda long)
Message-ID: <199712090418.XAA23169@home.gis.net>
Yet another post from me, who has too much time on his hands...
Seth wrote,
>What do you mean by Lorenna Mckinnet being a great musical researcher? I
>don't get it. Is the rest of "Book of Secrets" as good as the Mummers
>dance? If it is I'm getting it tomorrow.
Have fun at the record store. This is one of the most amazing albums I have
*ever* heard, bar none. Anyone out there into ethereal vocals in the vein
of Enya - but with a LOT more substance behind them - owes it to themselves
to go out and buy this album. She is, IMHO, *THE* female performer out
right now.
As far as her being a 'musical researcher', the linear notes of her album
are as interesting as the album itself. She basically goes on these musical
pilgrimages (sp?) and writes songs based on her journeys. 'Book of Secrets'
chronicles her voyage to discover Celtic music, not just from Ireland,
Scotland and England, but from the Celts in Greece and Italy and even the
Middle East. Amazing. I have yet to listen to this album and NOT be blown
away by it.
Arcova wrote,
>clean out your ears and maybe you will hear the complexity of APSOG...but
like
>others have posted here..don't expect it to hit you over the head...it
takes
>sometime to sink in...if you want music that you don't have to think about
.
>go listen to MTV.. i hear Metallica is on right now...
My ears, my friend, are perfectly clean. As far as I'm concerned, I'm all
set with listening to second-rate DT.
Eckie (in his infinite wisdom) wrote,
>I also finally got my first shot of Bjork while working yesterday and all
I gotta say is,
>somebody gave that whiney digital-ho a recording contract?! Pleeeease....
Thank GOD that someone agrees with me on this. I thought I was the only
person in the United States who thought that Bjork is why animals eat their
young. I saw her in concert with the Sugarcubes with PiL and New Order (two
GREAT bands), and they were the most inept, pathetic act that I have ever
experienced (and I've seen Fluffy). She hasn't gone anywhere since then.
All her problems can be solved with a 40lb. sledgehammer in the base of the
skull.
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 20:34:42 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yet another misheard part in DT.
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971208203442.008117d0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
At 3:21 of SDV (the voice over part) I know its supposed to be "i can move
out, get my own job, get my own place", but i swear i hear the following:
"i can move out, get a hand job, get my own place."
Anyone else?
i think ive been studying too hard or something.
jon
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 22:36:14 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: vgl@syspac.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: KERRY KING?!!!
Message-ID: <348ccabd4306006@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:09:19 -0800 (PST)
from "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>:
>
>
> At 06:17 PM 12/8/97 -0800, Seth wrote:
> >Ok, this is a buncha questions. Yes, Mustaine was part of one of the
> first
> >line ups of metallica. There were some other guys (Kerry King, Ron
> >McGovney, some other people who suck) and then Dave joined up.
>
> When the HELL was Kerry King in Metallica? Slayer isn't that close to
> Metallica :)
Kerry King wasn't ever in Metallica. He was with Megadeth for a short while
when they first started out.
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 00:09:14 -0500
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: "That Darn Mailing List Thingy" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FW
Message-ID: <19971208190422.AAA6784@sni.pananet.com>
OK, within all this DT vs FW crap thats been going on, i still havent found
what I'm looking for (no pun intended). I think Clark was looking for this
as well...where are the complexities that everyone talks about? No, I'm
dont mean fast supershred solos, or crazy unison riffs. I KNOW FW arent
DT...I'm not looking for another DT. But really, everybodys saying that we
have to listen a lot to FW to find the 'hidden complexities'. Well I've
listend to APSOG for quite a bit, and aside from parts V, VIII, and
XI..i'll ad part XII to that as well because its a pretty nifty ending, it
still sounds like a bunch of rather simple songs tied together by fade-ins
and fade-outs.
Now is the awesomeness found in the lyrics maybe? THat'd be understandable,
since if i dont relate to the lyrics i wont be 'getting it'. But I'm
really looking for a rather in-depth explanation of what makes APSOG such a
work of art. Maybe even if i still wont like them that much, at least i'll
understand why so many ppl love this album so much.
take care,
Ernesto
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 00:15:50 -0500
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Mustaine's hexes and Lorenna Mckinnet
Message-ID: <19971208191100.AAA6858@sni.pananet.com>
> And speaking as a bassist, Burton was overrated. He plays the bass
> like a guitar so I have the feeling that he either started on guitar or
> took lessons form a guitarist. He was decent for metal in his time, but
I
> feel that Newstead is better (it's just that James and Lars won't let him
> play).
I dont know about his bass playing, but I've always understood that Burton
was who taught James all about harmony and stuff...so if it werent for
Cliff we would've never had songs like MoP...In fact i remember reading
somewhere that he was the guy with the balls in tha group. Think about
it...the other 3 guys were going around with belts made out of bullets
looking like a bunch of metal poseurs, and here's this guy wearing
bell-bottoms...hehehe. And in concert he was the life of the party, if you
see 'Cliff 'em All'. Then after he died, Jaymz had to take over as a real
'frontman'.
Ok, enough talk about this,:)
Ern
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:20:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3335
Message-ID: <199712090520.XAA07803@shell.busprod.com>
> Your information on "In my darkest hour" is only partially correct
> and is combining two Megadeth songs into a bloated and very wrong
> description. Dave used to believe in Wicca (or a similar variation of
> magic) He said that his sister was a "white witch" (cough, cough,
> bullshit). He used to do sex hexes to get girls into bed with him, yadda
> yadda yadda, While Megadeth was never satanic (they are actually quite
> Christian and it comes out quite a bit in Youthanasia). Anyway, he said
> that he wrote "in my darkest hour" the day that he found out that cliff
All of my info on the satanism came from the MegaDeth faq so I guess
the faq facilitators are in error. Allthough the impression I got was
that Dave felt that Witchcraft was indeed real, and even dangerous. I
never did see anything that would indicate he supported witchcraft,
it mainly said things like he used to like that shit and now he feels
that it's wrong. He wrote about his experiences and one of the songs
is indeed about a hex or a curse that he felt really bad about. I believe
that song was listed as "In My Darkest Hour" in the FAQ--I could be
wrong. I don't really agree that Dave is a "christian"... If so I
haven't heard anything about Jesus in his songs. (not that I really
want to--but Christians who write music usually write about their
spirtual inspiration)
> On Countdown to Extinction, Dave found religion in a big way, and
> was explaining in an interview that although he was still Christian be
> believed very strongly that Wiccan magick works and is very dangerous. He
> said that he hexed a guy for a reason that I can't quite remember and later
> the guy got into an accident and had his hand permantly mangled. None of
Interesting. That clears things up a bit...
> What do you mean by Lorenna Mckinnet being a great musical researcher? I
> don't get it. Is the rest of "Book of Secrets" as good as the Mummers
> dance? If it is I'm getting it tomorrow.
Who the hell is Lorenna Mckinnet? What is Mummers dance? What is the Book
of Secrets? I never said anything about that...
# "The great thing about playing for this band as opposed to other #
# bands is that these guys encourage me to actually play the keyboard, #
# not just hold down pads. #
# --Derek Sherinian (Dream Theater '98: Petrucci/Portnoy/Myun/Sherinian #
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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 00:33:26 -0500
From: Tim Lodge <axe@mail1.nai.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: RAREST DREAM THEATER PRODUCT
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971209003326.006f88d4@ct1.nai.net>
I just picked up on this Rarest DT product thread
(sorry been studying for finals and am just now getting
caught up to the jam!)... Good thread though...
I'd have to say that my rarest DT item has got to be the
rarest of them all: an original, still sealed, MAJESTY DEMO TAPE.
I got this as part of a complete Majesty "Press kit" from their
old manager (from the majesty till WDADU days) about 1.5 years ago...
Cool stuff really, I'll have to scan it all into my webpage someday.
..Tim
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 00:51:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3335
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971209004852.70344C-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 8 Dec 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> >The studio version of Another Day is the best I've heard.
>
I'm with ya. But the Acoustic Dreams version is a close second.
Richie
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:17:51 EST
From: Arcova <Arcova@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: NOTLIW223@aol.com
Subject: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <78f728ee.348c59b3@aol.com>
here's my two cents to the Fates Bashers.........
with all this talk of the complexity of Fates Warning and the complexity of
Dream Theater some of you have been propented to give Fates a spin....
I will warn you right now don't expect Fates Warning to sound like Dream
Theater because they ARE NOT DT!
Fates Warning has their own unique sound as well as style.. and besides we've
already got enough bands out there copying our beloved DT stylistically.. but
sorry Fates is not one of them.. If you want the flashiness of Petrucci's
style listen to Fates back in the day of John Arch.. pick up a copy of Awaken
the Guardian and you will not be dissappointed.. Just don't expect Arch to
sound like LaBrie...
Jim Mathoes is much more laid back now..but that doesn't mean he can't play..
clean out your ears and maybe you will hear the complexity of APSOG...but like
others have posted here..don't expect it to hit you over the head...it takes
sometime to sink in...if you want music that you don't have to think about ..
go listen to MTV.. i hear Metallica is on right now...
arcova
Fates Warning Fan Network
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 22:38:41 PST
From: "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <19971209063841.959.qmail@hotmail.com>
>AlternicA is by no means progressing... they are playing rockabilly
>with a little crunch... That SNL performance was the biggest
>spectacle of how far a band can go down... that isn't METAL... >that's
a load of dung...
Two points. 1) Selling out is not progress in music, it's progress away
from taste and towards the bank. 2) What Metallica is doing is not
progress. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's good. Just
because it's different doesn't mean it's progress. In fact, I don't
think it's really that different from a lot of crud already out there.
Yes' 90125 is still a boring album, even though it was different.
>That's fine... I'm a die hard subscriber to the "Retardica has sold
>out" school... Portnoy is correct in his judgement...
Which is why I'm not so worried about DT going the way of Metallica,
Genesis, Yes, ELP, Rush, Queensryche (although you gotta hand it to
QR....I like Empire and PL, even though it's not metal or
anything)....etc, etc, etc. Portnoy seems like he's too adventurous to
be a part of a sell out band, and I think the enthusiasm he has (why the
fook do you think they call him Animal?) will inoculate, if you will,
the other DT members against the lure of big $$$.
To the guy who thought he was talking to Myung's brother....uh, yeah.
Right. Just like xdtvoc1 was Dominici.
Re VDGG....I have Godbluff and Pawn Hearts, and both are
excellent...really insane stuff. Take early Genesis, take out the
whimsy, put in all the gloom and doom you can find, add a sax player,
subtract a regular guitarist....and make it is dissonant as possible.
The vocals are truly bizarre (cross Geoff Tate and Dave Matthews) but
they fit perfectly. R. Fripp of King Crimson guested on Pawn
Hearts...P.S. VDGG doesn't really have different phases....the two I
have are from different phases, and they sound pretty close to each
other...I don't know about the compilation albums, but I tend to avoid
those (cf. the FW debate....most FW-haters heard Chasing Time first, I
think)
>Dear Sir or Madam
> My mother has requested this >information
about
>Dream Theater and I have not. She didn't know that the address she >was
>sending it from was My Account. Her E-Mail address is
>LudwigCBDB@hotmail.com
>she, and I, would like it if you could have the E-Mail address that
>this
>information is being sent to changed to this
>address(LudwigCBDB@hotmail.com)
>and not this one.
I thank you for you time
Stuart J. Brown
ludwig@frontiernet.net
We thank you for your waste of bandwidth. You're now the proud owner(s)
of twelve billion copies of the latest version of the FAQ. Enjoy them
all.
By the way, I slammed Jethro Tull's A Passion Play last time I
jammed...heh. I went and listened to it today for the hell of it. I
really like it now =) the kid's story in the middle is still the most
annoying thing in the world short of the I&W snare triggers, but the
whole song made a lot more sense to me for some reason.
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 02:05:57 EST
From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: cd's for sale
Message-ID: <31c1bb46.348cedd7@aol.com>
hey there......good luck to all you people with finals.
bracken, if you get this- YOU'RE A RAT BASTARD! how dare you have a take home
civ pro final! arghhhhh! you motherfucker (you can infer that civ pro's my
first final, wednesday at 9 in the am).
umm....still got some cd's i'd like to get rid of. glad that some have already
expressed their interest. the list again...
>$5
>-fight "immortal sin" (autographed)
>
>$8
>-best of emerson, lake and palmer
>-tom waits "small change"
>-symphonic music of yes
>-guns and roses "use your illusion 2"
>-the alan parsons project "eve"
>-megadeth "youthanasia"
>tales from yesterday- the yes magna carta tribute
>king crimson- "in the court of the crimson king"
>rage against the machine
>$12
>yes "yessongs" (2 cd's, converted into a slim double jewel case)
open to best offer:
tori amos- "inside the storm" #46.
SPECIAL OFFER- the yes package
yessongs, the symphonic yes, and the magna carta tribute packaged
together for $25.
email me, please, if interested. all cd's are in excellent condition.
ytsegoon
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david y. kobayashi
the new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"i'm the monster you created in your daddy's name." - j. petrucci
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