YTSEJAM Digest 3334
Today's Topics:
1) Heavy, man! (LONG and LONGWINDED :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
2) Rare DT Stuff
by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
3) Loreena McKennit
by matt rosin <surreality@pobox.com>
4) DT musicianship
by Doug Cronkhite <c4@san.rr.com>
5) Re: [Re: ** A Tribute to FATES WARNING **]
by CRAIG GRIFFITH <derfelt@usa.net>
6) D-Man's causing trouble again
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
7) Re: VDGG and Radio Miracles
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3332
by "Stuart Brown" <ludwig@frontiernet.net>
9) Reasons....
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
10) Mike Portnoy's whereabouts.
by Derek Sherinian <0_mnedell@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
11) Selling Out
by Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
12) Are you a Freak?
by Christian Hallebro <hallebro@kuai.se>
13) Re: [Re: ** A Tribute to FATES WARNING **]
by eckie@asu.edu
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3330
by Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
15) DT opener in Atlanta?!?
by "Brian P. Kelley" <bpkelley@mindspring.com>
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:01:25 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: Just Let Me Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Heavy, man! (LONG and LONGWINDED :)
Message-ID: <348C7C45.4D57@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Ernesto:
> If you're expecting for DT to get 'heavy' again, i think you'll be
> disappointed. I think they're just going in anew direction. Awake was
> their peak in heaviness, but DT drifting from the metal ways. They're
> looking at their other influences now. And i like that. I like my meatl
> in bits and pieces, not as the main course.
Yeah, I hope they continue to do those wimpy lightass tunes like JUST
LET ME BREATHE!!!!!!!!!
hehehehe
"Get" heavy? Never lost it. Always had it, always will! It's an issue of
quality, not quantity.
Something entirely full of itself wrote:
> FII is great?! yeah right....the only thing its good for is curing my insomnia.
Pleasant dreams :)
<yawn> Your post cured mine, by the way... see how easy it is to find
the good in almost anything?
Mike Burstin:
> it is possible for people just not to like a band.
As long as they don't tell anyone in here about it. 'Cuz you know us,
we'll tear the asshole a new asshole :)
~~~~~~
/concise
Regarding the poor production thread which seems to survive despite my
attempts to snuff it :) I'll try again to inject my perspective (along
with the usual dosage of sarcasm), although it is extremely difficult
for me to express in words sometimes that which I feel during the
listening experience:
I've never heard anything on FII that jumps out that much at me, as
being a real disaster from a production standpoint. Granted I don't
listen to it so closely as some on the list do. Then again I'm usually
more macro, and prefer to allow the sounds as a whole to affect me. I
can isolate an instrument if I want to, but the real beauty of DT for me
is how the whole is greater than the sum of its parts (Gestalt Theory).
There are the five instruments, yes, but there is some shit goin' on in
there with the way they play off each other over a more than a measure,
building up a mood that is simply destroyed by focusing too much on a
particular moment in time.
Am I wrong, or would many of the production "mistakes" (accodring to who
seem to think it actually is a mistake) be a fault of the
sound/mixing/audio/whatever_you_call_them engineers involved in post
production?
Nevertheless, I recall reading an article where the BAND MEMBERS
indicated that one of Shirley's intentions in producing this album was
for the tracks to be a little less sterile 100% of the time. The logic
behind this was to stop using logic :) Allow them to kick back and jam a
little more. Sounded good to me.
And the BAND MEMBERS liked that approach! Whadya know, the BAND MEMBERS
actually liked it!!! I happen to like the overall sound of the album.
This may be difficult for some people to deal with, but sometimes when
one is constantly too overly aware of how precise something "should be"
(should? according to whom?), it takes away from the ability to be
spontaneous and truly transcend the instrument. I find that FII has an
incredible amount of emotion to be found in there.
Sometimes there CAN be intensity to be found in simplicity. If you don't
find the part in Hollow Years, where James sings "Carry me to the
shoreline", to be intense from an emotional point of view, then you just
have way too much class, my friend. And what John Myung does on that
song so compliments the mood that James puts you in (I hope :) with his
voice. And JM isn't playing a bazillion notes. It's a tasteful selection
of few notes at the right time that makes what he's doing so sweet.
I like edges that are a little more rounded off, too. If I want squared
off edges all the time, I can have one of my electronics friends go
build me a circuit to produce instantaneously perfect sounds, discretely
synchronized, all the time, everywhere, for all eternity...without any
background noise anywhere, ever :)
Maybe they sat around and said "Hey, let's piss off those that like to
analyze every note/beat down to the last microsecond of time." I can
just see Kevin now, rubbing his hands together with an evil grin. "Yeah,
that'll really get to them"
Disclaimer: Don't take any of the above personally. I guess I just feel
the need to display my 'glass is more than half full' opinion against
what I perceive as a growing dis-satisfaction eminating from the 'glass
is in danger of becoming empty' camp. I keep trying to empty the mother
fucker, but someone keeps filling it back up ;)
> From: "Alison 'not an engineer' Clark" <clarka@stu.beloit.edu>
\_____________/
I love it :)
> I don't know about HY but I definitly heard Just Let Me Breathe on the radio
> here. (Here being WJJO Madison, WI, USA) Call and request it, see what happens..
Interesting how different areas seem to be playing different things.
Burning My Soul was being played around here a while back. I remember
someone suggesting that we DON'T request a song other than the one
slated for airplay. I guess it's ok for me to request JLMB now, since
they've pretty much stopped playing BMS around here?
<sigh>
> (I went nuts when I heard it. My roommate thought I was crazy.)
I personally wouldn't mind the caniption I'd have if they actually
played JLMB on the radio here. Too bad there are no stations around here
with the scrota to play it! Think I'll power up the 10000W linear amp,
and send it through the PA system at the ball park. That should cover
most of at least one neighborhood :)
Regards,
Jon
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| Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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"The Apollo Guidance Computer was primitive by any modern
comparison having but 72 kilobytes of ROM and 4 kilobytes of RAM"
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:05:49 -0400
From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rare DT Stuff
Message-ID: <199712082302.SAA28336@mail.trincoll.edu>
Hey guys,
I almost forgot to mention...I have a video of a live show DT did at the
Sundance club w/ Charlie back in the majesty days that was shot on a
hand-held camcorder WAY back.
Later!
-mike
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:08:03 -0600
From: matt rosin <surreality@pobox.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Loreena McKennit
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971208170803.00694dbc@unix.tamu.edu>
> Ooops, I left this part off of my lat post because its length was
>getting out of hand. What do you guys think of Lorena Mckinnet's single
>The Mummer's Dance? personally I love this thing. It sounds like what
>would happen if Enya decided to take a foray into rock. Beautiful song.
do yourself a huge favor and buy her new cd, "the book of secrets". for
that matter, buy all of her cd's. you won't regret it. she is a wonderful
musician, not to mention quite a musical researcher.
-matt.
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* po box 864 * dark ethereal music *
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"it's not dark yet, but it's getting there." ---bob dylan, "not dark yet"
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 03:07:44 -0800
From: Doug Cronkhite <c4@san.rr.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT musicianship
Message-ID: <348BD500.6F1B40FD@san.rr.com>
> i have always felt that, as incredible as the rest of the guys are,
> there are other vocalists, guitarists, etc. that are also similarly
> imressive out there.
I think the main thing that gets me with JP's playing is that he really
has command of the whole spectrum. He can dazzle you with blazing speed
and technicality one moment, and then make the guitar weep the next.
Rarely do you find a musician who can do both. He truly has command of
the instrument.
I find it interesting that the majority of reviews out there of prog
bands come from people who have very little interest in the genre. These
types of reviews commonly generate the "overplaying" type reviews since
they have no understanding of the moment.
I have a question.. in the intro to LITS, there is a definite Steve Vai
sound to the whole passage. Live it's played by DS, but I SWEAR I hear
pick attack on the CD. Now either JP recorded it, and DS is simply
playing the parts live, or that is the best guitar sample I've ever
heard from a keyboard.
Lastly.. everytime I try to single out one player in DT.. I still fall
back to the realisation that they are ALL monster players. From one
moment to the next, someone shines, generally all shine, and they never
stray from belief that techincal, complex music takes any less feeling
than the current "3 chords in a cloud of dust" music we're being force
fed by the radio, and record companies.
-Doug Cronkhite
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 16:09:55
From: CRAIG GRIFFITH <derfelt@usa.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: [Re: ** A Tribute to FATES WARNING **]
Message-ID: <19971208230955.10972.qmail@www06.netaddress.usa.net>
> > FII is great?! yeah right....the only thing its good for > > is curing my insomnia.
>
> I fear the dude who falls asleep to Burning My Soul or > Lines in the Sand....
Well, bow down and kiss my ring, because I have done just that. I often listen to music to make me fall asleep when I have insomnia. I've fallen asleep to Dream Theater, Soundgarden, and many other hard rock/heavy metal bands. Which is not to say that they're not good bands, as they're some of my favorites. One time I fell asleep (by accident) during "Burning My Soul" and woke up around "Trial Of Tears", which is odd, because anyone who's ever heard "Trial Of Tears" knows it opens rather quietly.
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:12:23 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: D-Man's causing trouble again
Message-ID: <199712082312.SAA18372@il.cs.wm.edu>
Just wondering who agrees and who disagrees with the following humble
opinion:
The studio version of Another Day is the best I've heard.
OK, discuss amongst yourselves.
-d
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:35:00
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: VDGG and Radio Miracles
Message-ID: <3.0.3.16.19971208183500.19d7d8d0@access.mountain.net>
At 10:01 AM 12/8/97 -0800, someone wrote:
>//Van Der Graaf Generator -- H to He Who Am The Only One (anyong have any
>//reccomendations for other VDGG albums?)
I recomend _Pawn Hearts_. "Man-Erg" is about 10 of my favorite minutes in
prog, with some excellent David Jackson sax work.
Jonathan Byrne, 2L; WV University College of Law
Album Reviews, Race Results, Commentary, and More at:
http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm
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"We make futile gestures, act to the cameras
With our made up faces and PR smiles
But when the angel comes down to deliver us
We'll find our after all we're only men of straw."
-Fish, "The Last Straw", Marillion
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:57:37 -0500
From: "Stuart Brown" <ludwig@frontiernet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3332
Message-ID: <01bd042c$adc6c900$ab8582d1@computer>
Dear Sir or Madam
My mother has requested this information about
Dream Theater and I have not. She didn't know that the address she was
sending it from was My Account. Her E-Mail address is LudwigCBDB@hotmail.com
she, and I, would like it if you could have the E-Mail address that this
information is being sent to changed to this address(LudwigCBDB@hotmail.com)
and not this one.
I thank you for you time
Stuart J. Brown
ludwig@frontiernet.net
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:45:34 -0500
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Reasons....
Message-ID: <348C869E.189E@earthlink.net>
> Quick question: why are you on this list if the "new" DT sucks? Not
> everyone has to love every album the band puts out...that's fine. But why
> would someone spend their time reading three or four e-mail digests
> (assuming your not in ack mode) about a band that now suddenly sucks?
First of all..if anyone actually reads every digest they have too much
time on their hands...I believe "skimming" is a better description of
how most ppl handle the volume this list generates. And most times I
just delete the entire digest after seeing the list of topics.
Second...the ONLY reason I'm still subscribed (as I'm sure many others)
is because this list is a decent source of info for OTHER prog-related
happenings. I'm hear to read about any news on Sean Malone's new CD,
new ANGRA album, etc....NOT to read review after review of how John
Petrucci played the solo of "Metropolis" on his shoelaces or Myung
finally said "Hi"
> Yeah, I'm in the mood for religious debates, top ten lists, definitions of
> "progressive" (oh yeah, we're still on that one).
See reason #1 above......
> I'm sorry for the people who can't appreciate the deep rooted complexities
> of FII...you don't know what you're missing.
If those complexities would be a brilliant 30 second solo section
sandwiched in between 5 minutes of boredom than I'm not missing much.
> P.S. You're .sig looks like one big phallic symbol
Thank You! I'm always curious as to how the uninformed approach my
"IGoD" .sig
cheers,
Carlo
NP: SHAWN LANE "Powers of Ten"
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--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 19:02:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Derek Sherinian <0_mnedell@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mike Portnoy's whereabouts.
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.971208185846.1496260A-100000@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
Anyone know if Mike Portnoy still lives on Long Island? I am a prooud
resident and am very pompous about the company I live with. Thanks for
your help.
Anyone know how much the tickets are at the Vanderbilt? That's the
January 4th show.
How do you get the Christmas CD if you do not belong to the fanclub. If
I join now do I get the CD?? I need DT rarities. Any good Japan items
that can be had. I have a friend in Japan.
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"If it's not in 2.35, I'm not watching it."
Words to live by as proclaimed by James LaBrie-
"I won't give up till I've no more to give, NO MORE TO GIVE!"
"I said, 'I love you........................good-bye'"
"So speak................I'm right here!"
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:14:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Selling Out
Message-ID: <199712090014.SAA00073@shell.busprod.com>
Rush said it best:
"Art as expression --
Not as market campaigns
Will still capture our imaginations
Given the same
state of integrity."
_Natural Science_
and
"All this machinery
Making modern music
Can still be open-hearted
Not so coldy charted
It's really just a question
Of your honesty
One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes,
and endless comrpomises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
For the words of the profits,
Are written on the studio wall,
Concert hall --
Echoes with the sounds...
Of salesmen."
_Spirit of the Radio_
As for Metalicka--I agree with the post about Kurt's solos. Whatever
happened to the good ole days of "One", "Fade to Black", "Orion", and
the thoughtful (albiet not too much so) lyrics of "Master of Puppets?"
Bob Rock happened, that's what! Now we have "Unforgiven II" and Blowed.
Metallica cut their hair, changed their image, along with their music
and in return they got much more airplay, money, etcetera. If these
guys practiced and had more artistic integrity they might have been
able to make a sequel to AJFA that we never got... Then again, if Cliff
were still alive maybe they would have--he was the musical wizard of
the group to begin with.
Speaking of Cliff Burton--I read a rumor (and this is going to sound
crazy) that Dave Mustaine put a curse or a hex on Cliff. If you read the
MegaDeth FAQ you'll see that "In My Darkest Hour" is about a curse
or satanic incantation that Dave did and led to drastic, terrible
consequences. Of course, you can't exactly have faith in the lyrics
that Dave Mustaine writes--anything about Satanism could easily be
done for shock value ala Marilyn Manson. I just read it, and it sounded
kinda spooky to me. Wasn't Dave an original member of Metallica? I
wonder if Cliff had him booted out... and in return Dave hexed him. ;-|
"Ouija blaba de do!"
-Rick
# "The great thing about playing for this band as opposed to other #
# bands is that these guys encourage me to actually play the keyboard, #
# not just hold down pads. #
# --Derek Sherinian (Dream Theater '98: Petrucci/Portnoy/Myun/Sherinian #
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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 01:24:06 +0100
From: Christian Hallebro <hallebro@kuai.se>
To: YTSEJAM digest <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Are you a Freak?
Message-ID: <348C8FA3.112E1FA2@kuai.se>
Has anybody heard the group Freak Kitchen.
Their guitarist is supposed to be really great!?
And so is there album "Spanking Hour".
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:29:48 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: [Re: ** A Tribute to FATES WARNING **]
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971208172922.24751B-100000@general2.asu.edu>
So...what do you dream about during Hell's Kitchen?
:)
~Eckie Again
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:35:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3330
Message-ID: <199712090035.SAA00674@shell.busprod.com>
> If you're expecting for DT to get 'heavy' again, i think you'll be
> disappointed. I think they're just going in anew direction. Awake was
> their peak in heaviness, but DT drifting from the metal ways. They're
> looking at their other influences now. And i like that. I like my meatl
> in bits and pieces, not as the main course.
>
Actually perceived FII to be heavier in some sections. MAJOR balls and
chunk in that riff on Just Let Me Breath--KICK ASS. I like the new
direction they have moved into--progression. It's different than their
other albums but it does have the same formula. Actually, a bit
different.
Chucki + Moore * Petrucci * Portnoy - Myung = WDADU
Labrie + Moore * Petrucci * Portnoy + Myung = I&W
Labrie * Myung + Petrucci + Portnoy + (Moore/2) = AWAKE
Labrie^2 + Myung^2 * Petrucci + Portnoy + Sherinian = FII
That's my impression of the DT progression. ;-)
I also love the metal part of Peruvian Skies... BALLS AND CHUNK, and
when you least expect Derek throws in the keys. Smooth.
And who could miss Myung's Chapman Stick? Sooo awesome. I hope he uses
it more--and progresses on that. He even sounds deeper without the stick,
the intro to Burning My Soul is thick, rich, and meaty. Just what you
could expect from DT or any good can of Campbell's Thick and Chunky.
# "The great thing about playing for this band as opposed to other #
# bands is that these guys encourage me to actually play the keyboard, #
# not just hold down pads. #
# --Derek Sherinian (Dream Theater '98: Petrucci/Portnoy/Myun/Sherinian #
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:01:22 -0500
From: "Brian P. Kelley" <bpkelley@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT opener in Atlanta?!?
Message-ID: <199712090057.TAA04669@brickbat8.mindspring.com>
Does anybody know which band will be opening in Atlanta? Same one as in
Philly? Also, somebody on alt.music.dream-theater said that he talked to
the Masquerade and that the show is starting at 11 pm. That seems a little
late to start doesn't it?! Well, hopefully it'll be at least TWO SOLID
HOURS of DT magic! :) I have faith in "their" system.
Take the time,
Brian
"T-minus 8 days and counting..."
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