YTSEJAM Digest 3333
Today's Topics:
1) Two guys who wants to meet Dream Theater
by "Andreas Sommerseth" <randsom@online.no>
2) Zawinul Syndicate...
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3330
by eckie@asu.edu
4) DT at Jaxx Jan 3rd?
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) FW, aPSoG, things
by Doug Cronkhite <c4@san.rr.com>
6) Tower Records
by Len Berkoski <lberkoski@mail.hst.nasa.gov>
7) Re: New Opinion
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
8) Rare DT items
by Bill Wrightson <bwrights@dnaent.com>
9) VDGG
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
10) Fates Warning
by Arcova <Arcova@aol.com>
11) Re: Pot smoke Cliches and metalica
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
12) Re: New Opinion
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
13) DT in Hollywood ... FL!
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
14) reactions
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
15) my Ytsejam Shirt / DT boot art
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
16) Lorenna Mckninnet and Arastar musings
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
17) Re: New Opinion
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
18) Southeast concert dates
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:19:15 +0100
From: "Andreas Sommerseth" <randsom@online.no>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Two guys who wants to meet Dream Theater
Message-ID: <199712081820.TAA01430@online.no>
Hello!!!
We are two guys who want to meet DT whwn they are in Norway!!
We wonder if you can help us to get in thuch with them!!
Can you E-mail us to tell us how we can get in touch with them???
We have already bught tickets to the consert the first of March, and we
hope we can meet them befor the consert!!!
Grethings from Norway!!
Andreas Sommerseth and Steinar Nilsen!!
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:39:02 +0300
From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Zawinul Syndicate...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971208213902.0079ec90@messagebox.com>
Hi, guys!!!
I am sorry that this message may be somehow uninteresting for some of you,
but I am quite sure that there are a lot of people here who like jazz and
also Joe Zawinul...
I just got a boot of his killer show over here in Russia a couple of weeks
ago...
Just if someone of you wishes to hear this - send me private e-mail..
Or I can mail you an mp3 of some best pieces...
This was a completely killing show- esp. the drummer's and percussionist's
work was great!!! Well, you know what I am talking about...
cya,
Pete
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 11:39:35 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3330
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971208113137.25736B-100000@general4.asu.edu>
> all sorts of top 40 stuff. I like radiohead, U2, Beck, Bjork, Paula Cole,
> the Cure, lots o' stuff.
Could somebody please enlighten me on radiohead? A couple of the
managers I work with (The Wherehouse) love the new CD, and they've played
that (Ok Computer) and the Bends and I just don't get it. Didn't Mike
Portnoy put OK Computer at the top of his "favorite albums of 97" CDNow
list or something?
I've read several jammers' raves about Radiohead, but I just don't hear
anything inspiring when I hear OK Computer. I won't go on, but PRIVATE
RESPONSES would be nice. I also finally got my first shot of Bjork while
working yesterday and all I gotta say is,
somebody gave that whiney digital-ho a recording contract?! Pleeeease....
I'll just stick to my good ol' prog/metal collection. Everything else
either sucks or just plain bores me. :)
~Eckie can yell and scream and record it onto a keyboard and then record it
to a CD for you if you'd like....
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:22:51 -0500 (EST)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT at Jaxx Jan 3rd?
Message-ID: <199712081722.MAA26106@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Anyone know about a Jaxx show on January 3rd? That date has now
been added to the Jaxx web site and the December 26th show has been
removed.
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/------------------------------
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 23:05:03 -0800 From: Doug Cronkhite <c4@san.rr.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FW, aPSoG, things Message-ID: <348B9C1F.6554AD1A@san.rr.com>
I must admit to some dissapointment when I heard so long ago that Frank Aresti had left FW. After listening to APSOG, my fear were unfounded. This is simply the best prog stuff I've heard in a long time. It truly takes me from mood to mood, and feeling and emotion. It takes me as close to No Exit (my previous favorite) but APSOG shows more growth and maturity (something you'd expect after this many years).
I hope FW continues along this path, and doesn't let the "flavor of the month" music business cause them to throw in the towel.
-Doug Cronkhite
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 14:14:27 -0500 From: Len Berkoski <lberkoski@mail.hst.nasa.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tower Records Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971208141427.00927ab0@mail.hst.nasa.gov>
This may have been noticed already, but I was in the Rockville Pike (Maryland) Tower Records last night, and noticed that Falling into Infinity was a featured disc in the listening booth sections. Kind of nice to see them getting some public recognition these days. I quote: "epic songs and superior musicianship". ****************************************************************************
Leonard Berkoski III Allied Signal, Scientific Instruments System Engineer Hubble Space Telescope Project
Work Number: (301) 286-6949 Fax Number: (301) 286-1726
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:31:34 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: New Opinion Message-ID: <199712081931.LAA07435@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Matt Johnston said: > >>At least Blind Mellon didn't sell out... >> > >Yeah they did! Just ask Mike! > >.."Shannon Hoon, and Kurt Cobain..." >
No, you misunderstand... you can't sellout if you're a sellout band in the first place...
> >--Matt >
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 13:29:42 -0600 From: Bill Wrightson <bwrights@dnaent.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rare DT items Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971208192942.0095f9bc@lotus.dnaent.com>
I don't know about you other guys, but I would like to get my hands on the breasts that Kevin signed on the Live In Tokyo video!!!!!
Just my 2 ughh... cents worth
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:56:31 -0700 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: VDGG Message-ID: <v01520d03b0b1f1dc9325@[205.134.228.75]>
>//Van Der Graaf Generator -- H to He Who Am The Only One (anyong have any >//reccomendations for other VDGG albums?)
Try "Pawn Hearts", "New World Record", "Godbluff" and "Still Life". "Godbluff" is a very good live album and "Vital Live" is good too. "New World Record" has a song (4th song in the album) that is similar to "Sheep" by Pink Floyd.
Any album in the 70's that has David Jackson on Sax are good. Don't start with albums in the 80's after they broke up. It maybe a good idea to start with both compilation albums of VDGG Vol.1 and Vol.2. Vol.1 is great.
AE
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:17:51 EST From: Arcova <Arcova@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: NOTLIW223@aol.com Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: <78f728ee.348c5096@aol.com>
here's my two cents to the Fates Bashers.........
with all this talk of the complexity of Fates Warning and the complexity of Dream Theater some of you have been propented to give Fates a spin.... I will warn you right now don't expect Fates Warning to sound like Dream Theater because they ARE NOT DT! Fates Warning has their own unique sound as well as style.. and besides we've already got enough bands out there copying our beloved DT stylistically.. but sorry Fates is not one of them.. If you want the flashiness of Petrucci's style listen to Fates back in the day of John Arch.. pick up a copy of Awaken the Guardian and you will not be dissappointed.. Just don't expect Arch to sound like LaBrie...
Jim Mathoes is much more laid back now..but that doesn't mean he can't play.. clean out your ears and maybe you will hear the complexity of APSOG...but like others have posted here..don't expect it to hit you over the head...it takes sometime to sink in...if you want music that you don't have to think about .. go listen to MTV.. i hear Metallica is on right now...
arcova Fates Warning Fan Network
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:18:45 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Pot smoke Cliches and metalica Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971208121216.3248A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
OK, first of all, pot smoke pervades every concert that I go to, whether it's fussion, prog, metal, or mainstream. It's a concert-goer jump-on-the-bandwaggon cliche. Look, I'm not thrilled with Metalica's new direction either. IMHO, Kirk's only good solows were Fade to Black, Unforgiven, and the stuff off Justice. Every other solow is a duplicate. If james would do more of his melodic solowing it'd be a lot cooler. However, I'm glad that they can come up with a lot of new directions to at least try. And on SNL, I think Marianne was a bit more than flat until the end. She was bloody fucking terrible. Personally, I also like the different productions on all the alboms except WDADU. They're all different and they each sound cool in their own right. Wowe, I got some DTC. But I didn't flame anyone. Gotta do that too. Hmmm... Psyche sucks!!! CS sucks!!! Music sucks!!!! Fuck educations and the educated!!! Every band's a sell-out!!! Women are scum!!! Fuck that, anyone who's different from me sucks!!! Be well. Matt B
"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes; not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile... Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile, that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:21:42 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: New Opinion Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971208121752.11849B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Dr. Mosh wrote:
> >On the Eve of Destruction, Matt Johnston said: >> >>>At least Blind Mellon didn't sell out... >>> >> >>Yeah they did! Just ask Mike! >> >>.."Shannon Hoon, and Kurt Cobain..." >> > >No, you misunderstand... you can't sellout if you're a sellout band in the >first place... >
Sorry, I'm heading off to my CIS final, and thus I am thinking logically. Isn't selling out a prerequisite of being a sellout band?
Selling out is an artistic decision. It doesn't matter when it's made, point is in a sellout band has sold out. Selling out again is kinda like putting a hole in a hole. Unless what you sold out to do is now out of style and you keep doing it, in the name of artistic integrity ^_^
But enough of this. I have to get to my final. Wish me luck! ^_^
>> >>--Matt >> > > >-The Doc > >-- >#$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% >_+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ >[][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] >#$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$ >
--Matt
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 16:00:31 -0500 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>, Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net> Subject: DT in Hollywood ... FL! Message-ID: <348C5FEE.B12708FA@bu.edu>
Here it is- straight from Ticketbastard.
ALL AGES WELCOME DREAM THEATER * * * THE BUTTON SOUTH 100 ANSIN BLVD, HALLANDALE FRI DEC 19 1997 DRS 7:30PM
Isaac -- "It sounds diminished ... but it's not"- John Petrucci
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:13:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: reactions Message-ID: <199712082107.QAA20756@bertelsmanncis.com>
from somebody: > I truly fear the day when DT goes the way of Rush. It's gonna > happen soon, and it's unfortunate. DT seems to me (this is just
i can only hope that dt goes the way of rush, sticking to their guns for so many years, continually writing their style of music without a thought to album sales and publicity and the rest.
from loren: > Well, after listening to FII for two(?) months now, I have > to say that John Myung is just fucking amazing. Nobody has really > commented too much on his playing (maybe it's just common > knowledge), but I think he is completely AMAZING on this album. To > me, he's the one who stands out the >
i have always felt that, as incredible as the rest of the guys are, there are other vocalists, guitarists, etc. that are also similarly imressive out there. myung, though, is so far onto another plane in the bass world (particularly in rock/metal/prog) when it comes to both incredible intracacy and rock-solid foundation. this album is just the most defining example.
from seth: >Subject: AHHH! RETURN OF THE HUGE F"IN SIG! (F as in Fates)
ha. yeah, that was a pretty intense sig. seth, though, one thing: paragraphs, if you would please! paragraphs! =) (i'd cite the monstrous paragraph, but it hurts the eyes...) =)
--MATt
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:50:01 -0400 From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> To: Delirium Tremens <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: my Ytsejam Shirt / DT boot art Message-ID: <l03110700b0b205fd255c@bootp-231-167.bootp.virginia.edu>
Little anecdote.
The week before I went to go see DT's show at the Capitol Ballroom in DC on 11/23, I made a custom one-shot Ytsejam shirt for myself, using Photoshop and some creative image-ganking, and I got a 2-sided shirt printed up at the University Printing Services.
They fucked it up at first: the back has a picture and then says YTSEJAM really big, and the moronic ladies at the print place assumed that I must have meant MAJESTY and I'd given them a mirror-imaged design. So they printed it backwards, apparently not noticing that the J, the E, and the S were all backwards.
I had the hardest fucking time explaining to these ladies that I wanted the shirt printed with the design I'd given them, not reversed, and yes that meant putting down YTSEJAM (I mean, it even says "ytsejam" on the front!), and what the hell were they doing thinking for themselves anyway? I'm the customer, and if I want my shirt printed weirdly, then just do it.
Anyway, after I hassled them and convinced them it was their fault, they redid the shirt for free and gave me the messed-up one (the MAJESTY one which looks like Cyrillic), so when I went to the show I wore the messed-up one and my girlfriend wore the correct one (because all the print people had in the shop was a size Large, and I wear an XL unless I want to look like a waif; so the MAJESTY one was printed on my XL and the YTSEJAM one was on the L).
So when we got to go backstage after the DT show (thanks to Mr. Clint Merlot for that), when Mike Portnoy came out to chill with us, he stared at my shirt and asked where it came from. I said I'd made it myself, and he said he'd like to have one of them if possible. Yeah. I started to just take the shirt off and give it to him (hey, it would have been easier than making another one and mailing it to him), but he stopped me, being the gracious dude that he is. Fans giving him shirts off their backs.
So anyway, it's Mike-approved. Even though I have no idea when I'm going to make that other shirt for him. Oh, and when John Myung (which Mike told us can be pronounced either "myung" or "my-YUNG") came out and shook hands, he also stared at the shirt, but of course didn't say anything.
I have the shirt design (front and back) scanned and on my computer at the following URL:
http://futility.dorm.virginia.edu/dt
Go see it, it's pretty cool -- it's a different style than most DT stuff, kind of deconstructionist, like something out of Raygun magazine. Black & white on a white shirt, stark, abstractish.
This isn't an advertisement, btw; I'm probably not making any more of these shirts except for Mike and probably my brother or something (and a correct version for me). But still. I just wanted to share.
At the show, Bafu Vai examined the back design of the shirt and asked me if that was the original keyboard player. Ha, ha. Still the wit. I replied that it was in fact James Labrie, with a little makeup on. =)
For anyone who doesn't know my creds, I did the cover art for Mike Bahr's Antiquities, Scenes From A Memory, Critical Mass, and Precious Things. Those images (the originals, not the teeny CD inserts, so you can see all the detail) are scanned in and on my art page at:
http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~sdh9b/grafixation/exhibition
So, like, go and see. DT art, yeah.
Something,
Scotch.
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:15:40 -0600 From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lorenna Mckninnet and Arastar musings Message-ID: <l03130300b0b21fbf4136@[128.252.105.105]>
Ooops, I left this part off of my lat post because its length was getting out of hand. What do you guys think of Lorena Mckinnet's single The Mummer's Dance? personally I love this thing. It sounds like what would happen if Enya decided to take a foray into rock. Beautiful song.
What's with all this reminesences about arastar? "I remember when I had to walk !@#$%^ fifteen miles through the !@#$%^ snow, chased by !@#$%^ alligators, with no !@#$%^ breakfast and suffering from !@#$%^ syphilis just to post to the !@#$%^ jam!" The jam is no worse than arastar was. We had stupid threads back then too. Does anyone remember the Dream Theater Tribute album. Ben Laussade (whatever happened to him) and I were writing Metropolis Part II when DT beat us to it. If anyone wants to see the lyrics for that I think I still have tehm around somewhere.
Thanks,
Seth
Seth Hatlelid srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html
"After the confession of sins and before the Act of Contrition, the priest is supposed to ask, Do you sincerely resolve not to commit this sins again? But Father McSwain's hurry-up version was more like "Commit these sins again?-to which I could have sincerely answered yes." -Michael Ryan, Secret Life
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 16:30:14 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: New Opinion Message-ID: <348c74f45a7e006@mhub0.tc.umn.edu>
> >>>At least Blind Mellon didn't sell out... > >>> > >> > >>Yeah they did! Just ask Mike! > >> > >>.."Shannon Hoon, and Kurt Cobain..." > >> > > > >No, you misunderstand... you can't sellout if you're a sellout band in the > >first place...
Whatever else you want to say about Nirvana and Blind Melon, you have to admit that they weren't following a trend. That doesn't make them good - in terms of technical ability, Nirvana in particular sucked the root - but they're not sellouts.
-Brian
******************************************************************************** "So understand, the wasted time always searching for those wasted years. Face it, make your stand, and realize you're living in the golden years." -Adrian Smith ******************************************************************************** Coleridge on IRC
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 16:32:49 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Southeast concert dates Message-ID: <348c75895b46007@mhub0.tc.umn.edu>
Could someone please send me the Southeast US concert dates for DT? I'm going to have the Ytse-Contact page back up and running once they return to the States. Thanks!
-Brian
******************************************************************************** "So understand, the wasted time always searching for those wasted years. Face it, make your stand, and realize you're living in the golden years." -Adrian Smith ******************************************************************************** Coleridge on IRC
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