YTSEJAM Digest 3335
Today's Topics:
1) re: [], FW
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
2) *** SAVATAGE (TSO) on Rosie O'Donnell 12/9 ***
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
3) Jordan Rudess
by Michael Pomerleau <mpomerle@mail1.nai.net>
4) re: Megadeth
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
5)
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
6) FW vs. DT
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
7) Mustaine's hexes and Lorenna Mckinnet
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
8) Just my opinion.....
by "James" <thirdhvn@community.net>
9) BMS
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
10) Who is this guy??
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
11) Re: Selling Out
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
12) D-Man & Another Day, ??, and Spock's Beard latest
by "Christopher Files" <cfiles@erols.com>
13) Ramblings......
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
14) Jan 3rd date
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
15) Re: D-Man's causing trouble again
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:22:30 -0800
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: [], FW
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971208172230.006a1a10@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
>Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 15:19:55 PST
>From: "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
>Since there has been significant FW content on the Jam lately, lemme ask
>the Fates-heads a question.....anyway, what
>would the peanut gallery's recommendation be for the FW album I should
>get? (I get the feeling that hearing the compilation before a full album
>was a really bad idea...) P.S. I hate 80s hair metal ;)
You hate "80's hair metal"? Don't buy any Fates. As a matter of fact, when
I give people a listen to DT and they look at the cd cover, they often say,
"This is just another 80's, high-pitched singer, guitar wanking, hair metal
disc." Better cut DT out of your collection as well... ;-)
But seriously, if one of the major reasons you love I&W and Awake is Kev
Moore, then APSoG is worth a try. Don't try any of the other Fates cds
unless you like this one.
Almost everyone who was an "old time" Fates fan WAS an 80's, long hair,
metal head. It's just that Fates was higher quality then so much of the
mass produced metal of the 80's. Almost as good as Queensryche used to be.
So many of us who picked up APSoG already liked the 80's (Old Fates) metal
sound. APSoG is just more refined with the addition of KM on keys.
my 2 cents, BH
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 20:31:43 -0500
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: *** SAVATAGE (TSO) on Rosie O'Donnell 12/9 ***
Message-ID: <348C9F7F.1522@earthlink.net>
Hey jammers,
I don't know if anyone saw this yet but its GREAT news!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get
those VCR's rolling!!!!!!!!!!! I picked this up from the SAVATAGE news
page.
> <Picture: *>TSO will be appearing on the Rosie O'Donnell Show December 9th The current plan is that portions of the TSO video Christmas Eve / Sarajevo 12/24 will be played and TSO will also play it live!!! (Cross your fingers on this one folks!!! this will be difficult to pull off live) All of Savatage (except Zak), Bob Kinkel, and orchestra will be in the TSO band for the performance. Zak will be at home preparing for fatherhood!
Should be awesome!!!!! Blow Rosie out of her chair and through the roof
>:)
cheers,
Carlo
NP: AT THE GATES "Terminal Spirit Disease"
--
_
__| |__
"When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __|
maybe then you'll begin to understand | |
Life down here is just a strange illusion." | |
|_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 20:38:55 -0500
From: Michael Pomerleau <mpomerle@mail1.nai.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jordan Rudess
Message-ID: <348CA12F.D65B9028@ct1.nai.net>
Heres a note I got from Jordan Rudess from Rudess/Morgenstein
Hey,
Just a quick note to let you know about the new Rudess/ Morgenstein
Project
web site and also the new look and location of my personal web site.
<http://www.mediusvision.com/rpm> for Rudess/Morgenstein
<http://www.mediusvision.com/jordan> for Jordan Rudess
These sites are part of our Mediusvision Music Network designed by one
of
my former students Ryuji Yamauchi. Please come visit us!
Musically,
Jordan Rudess
Jordan Rudess
Check out my new record with Rod Morgenstein;
Domo Records - "Rudess Morgenstein Project"
Visit my personal web site at <http://www.bway.net/~jordan>
One likes to believe **** In the freedom of
music
But glittering prizes ** And endless
compromises
Shatter the illusion * of integrity
RUSH
(Peart)
--
Michael Pomerleau
E-mail: (Home) michael_pomerleau@SNET.NET OR mpomerle@ct1.nai.net
(Work) michael_pomerleau@adc.com
Visit My Home Page at http://w3.nai.net/~mpomerle
Who knows where the Cold Wind Blows...
I ask my friends, but nobody knows...
WHITESNAKE . . . 'Love ain't no Stranger'
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:44:09 -0800
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Megadeth
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971208174409.0069d344@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
>From: Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
>
>Speaking of Cliff Burton--I read a rumor (and this is going to sound
>crazy) that Dave Mustaine put a curse or a hex on Cliff. If you read the
>MegaDeth FAQ you'll see that "In My Darkest Hour" is about a curse
..
>Wasn't Dave an original member of Metallica? I
>wonder if Cliff had him booted out... and in return Dave hexed him. ;-|
>
>-Rick
Funny you should mention Mustaine. Just yesterday I dug out and watched the
old "Rusted Pieces" video from Megadeth. Included all videos through "Rust
in Piece" and lots of dialog. Of course, Dave was the original lead guitar
player in Metallica, and he was sent packing because of his heavy drinking
and rowdy behavior. I think it was probably more Lars and James making that
choice.
Anyway, Dave said that a song he wrote was when he was freaked out over
Cliff's death. May have been "In My Darkest Hour". Not sure. I don't think
their was any ill will at that point. He seemed genuinely devastated by
Cliff's death. Nothing about a curse there...
BH
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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 11:49:07 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971209114907.006b139c@powerup.com.au>
The Digital-Chap wrote:
>Just wondering who agrees and who disagrees with the following humble
>opinion:
>
>The studio version of Another Day is the best I've heard.
I agree that the studio version of Another Day is the best you've heard.
Spiff
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:53:46 -0700
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FW vs. DT
Message-ID: <000c01bd0445$71476200$462746cf@sir>
Well I've seen some incredibly mindless posts lately so I think I'll add =
one
more. :)
Yes, APSOG is an album to write home about. I love it to death. It took=
me
a while to get into it, but now I love it. I just about cried when I fou=
nd
out the damn concert was 21+. Then Carlo comes back to jam wondering why
everyone is ripping on FW, and I'm thinking "Hell yea." Right after that=
he
proceeds to rip on FII in a very juvenile and uninformed manner. Hypocri=
te.
I agree that Ray Alder doesn't write the best melodies. So he's a noodle=
r.
Big deal. I love fast & flashy guitar solos, but FW proved that they don=
't
need them there're a whole 2 of em in 53 minutes.
Then some guy comes on saying that he can't believe anyone could possibly
like the production on FII because it's so bad. Get a fooking clue.
Yes, it's finals time. Arguments always spring up more this time in the
semester so I expected this crap, but a few people around here need to th=
ink
before they post. I for one just spent an hour on 1 problem and didn't g=
et
it done. I could probably go kill a horse right now. My final is in a
week. What me worry? But seriously, that's no reason to send mindless fla=
mes
to the jam folks.
It rolls down stairs
It comes not in pairs
Runs over your neighbor's foot.
It's great for a snack
And fits on your back
It's woot! woot! woot!
woot=99 from Blammo!=AE
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:02:21 -0600
From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mustaine's hexes and Lorenna Mckinnet
Message-ID: <l03130301b0b251f40809@[128.252.105.105]>
Dave Mustaine put a curse or a hex on Cliff. If you read the
>MegaDeth FAQ you'll see that "In My Darkest Hour" is about a curse
>or satanic incantation that Dave did and led to drastic, terrible
>consequences. Of course, you can't exactly have faith in the lyrics
>that Dave Mustaine writes--anything about Satanism could easily be
>done for shock value ala Marilyn Manson. I just read it, and it sounded
>kinda spooky to me.
Ok, this is a buncha questions. Yes, Mustaine was part of one of the first
line ups of metallica. There were some other guys (Kerry King, Ron
McGovney, some other people who suck) and then Dave joined up. He wasn't
nearly as good at guitar as he is now (I think being fired caused him to
practice more). If you look at the writing credits of Kill em all and Ride
the Lightening, Dave has many co-credits for all of the good songs (ie the
ones that don't make your ears bleed because they are so much crap).
According to Metallica, he was fired due to his meandering solo's (you can
see this on Metallica's Cliff em all video) and his drinking problem.
Mustaine said that he was fired because there wsa too much personality in
the band and he and James were fightening for the stage spotlight (this too
can be seen on Cliff em all). i have a feeling that the truth is somewhere
in between.
Your information on "In my darkest hour" is only partially correct
and is combining two Megadeth songs into a bloated and very wrong
description. Dave used to believe in Wicca (or a similar variation of
magic) He said that his sister was a "white witch" (cough, cough,
bullshit). He used to do sex hexes to get girls into bed with him, yadda
yadda yadda, While Megadeth was never satanic (they are actually quite
Christian and it comes out quite a bit in Youthanasia). Anyway, he said
that he wrote "in my darkest hour" the day that he found out that cliff
Burton had died. He and Cliff were friends (the Metallica/Megadeth fued
had been put behind them) and Dave was sorry to see cliff go. Cliff didn't
have the power to fire Mustaine, only Lars and James (the control freaks in
the band) would have. I think that I read that it was James that did the
firing.
On Countdown to Extinction, Dave found religion in a big way, and
was explaining in an interview that although he was still Christian be
believed very strongly that Wiccan magick works and is very dangerous. He
said that he hexed a guy for a reason that I can't quite remember and later
the guy got into an accident and had his hand permantly mangled. None of
the songs that Megadeth has written have been satanic (Go to Hell was
written for the scenes in Hell for Bill and Ted's bogus journey so it
doesn't count). Many of the songs that people confuse for Satanism
(looking down the cross, five-magics) are written about magick and sorcery
as pagan beliefs rather thatn satanic. Looking down the cross seems to be
an admition that he (Musataine) wouldn't be strong enough to do what Christ
did and die on the cross. I hope that clesared some things up.
And speaking as a bassist, Burton was overrated. He plays the bass
like a guitar so I have the feeling that he either started on guitar or
took lessons form a guitarist. He was decent for metal in his time, but I
feel that Newstead is better (it's just that James and Lars won't let him
play).
What do you mean by Lorenna Mckinnet being a great musical researcher? I
don't get it. Is the rest of "Book of Secrets" as good as the Mummers
dance? If it is I'm getting it tomorrow.
Thanks
Seth Hatlelid
srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html
"After the confession of sins and before the Act of Contrition, the
priest is supposed to ask, Do you sincerely resolve not to commit this sins
again? But Father McSwain's hurry-up version was more like "Commit these
sins again?-to which I could have sincerely answered yes." -Michael Ryan,
Secret Life
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:58:40 -0800
From: "James" <thirdhvn@community.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Just my opinion.....
Message-ID: <01bd0445$f877d7a0$d2b15ecc@mpeywdzn>
> >>>At least Blind Mellon didn't sell out...
> >>>
> >>
> >>Yeah they did! Just ask Mike!
> >>
> >>.."Shannon Hoon, and Kurt Cobain..."
> >>
> >
> >No, you misunderstand... you can't sellout if you're a sellout band in
>the first place..
>Whatever else you want to say about Nirvana and Blind Melon, you have to
>admit that they weren't following a trend. That doesn't make them
>good - in terms of technical ability, Nirvana in particular sucked
>the root - but they're not sellouts.
Nirvana and Blind Melon could only be 'sellouts' if they
played Progressive Metal. :) They wouldn't be playing true
to themselves or who they are. Thats what I think a sellout is.
Not that its 'Alternative' or 'Pop' music. It's not
playing what you are really about. You're doing something that isn't
in your heart. A compromise. You could be doing it just for
money's sake. JMO.
peace,
--james--
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:05:54 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BMS
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971208180554.00819ad0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
Dammit, now Ill never listen to BMS without hearing the upbeat china just
disappear at :54.
Also, just wanted to say that JLMB would be no where NEAR the awesome song
that it is without DS. He is a monster. Its no wonder he wanted to take
the first solo.
And that story about Myung's "brother" on AOL is funny. Why doesnt stuff
like that happen to me? I woulda just played along...
bye all
Jon
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:16:24 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Who is this guy??
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971208211624.007cb3f0@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
Second...the ONLY reason I'm still subscribed (as I'm sure many others)
is because this list is a decent source of info for OTHER prog-related
happenings. I'm hear to read about any news on Sean Malone's new CD,
new ANGRA album, etc....NOT to read review after review of how John
Petrucci played the solo of "Metropolis" on his shoelaces or Myung
finally said "Hi"
***Well you might be in the right place to get info on other progressive
bands. BUT, you are in the wrong place to be totally knocking DT. This is
the area where you will find out where John Petrucci played the solo of
Metropolis on his shoelaces and this is the place where you will find out
whether or not Myung finally said Hi. A friendly bit of advice for
you...Keep scanning, but don't say anything.. it'll save us a little bit of
anxiety with your stupid remarks. If you don't like that, well, let me be
the first jammer to offer you the door.. I've been offered it before myself
for being a dick, maybe it's your turn.
See ya! J
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 20:34:28 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Selling Out
Message-ID: <348cae3343a9004@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <199712090014.SAA00073@shell.busprod.com>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
> Then again, if Cliff
> were still alive maybe they would have--he was the musical wizard of
> the group to begin with.
No, Dave Mustaine was the musical wizard to begin with.
In My Darkest Hour has nothing to do with a hex. It's just his feelings about
Burton's death, who was a friend. Hetfield more or less kicked Dave out of the
band, and then stole all of Mustaine's songs to put on the first Metallica
album. Burton wasn't even in the band when Dave was kicked out, it was still Ron
McGovney, original bassist and founding member.
-Brian
********************************************************************************
"So understand, the wasted time always searching for those wasted years.
Face it, make your stand, and realize you're living in the golden years."
-Adrian Smith
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Coleridge on IRC
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:38:36 -0500
From: "Christopher Files" <cfiles@erols.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: D-Man & Another Day, ??, and Spock's Beard latest
Message-ID: <01bd044b$8cede0a0$7efbaccf@default>
>Just wondering who agrees and who disagrees with the following humble
>opinion:
>The studio version of Another Day is the best I've heard.
>OK, discuss amongst yourselves.
>-d
That's a tough one. I really like saprano saxes in general, and so the sax
in the studio version makes the song really cool. However, the way Moore
plays the sax part in the live version I have on my Lie single is sooo cool
and enjoyable to listen to. IMO it's a toss-up. (I must here add that the
version w/ Derek playing keys on my Spinning Years MP3 boot is not nearly as
good as either of the aforementioned versions--I love Derek, but he can't do
that song the way KM did.)
>Dear Sir or Madam
> My mother has requested this information
about
>Dream Theater and I have not. She didn't know that the address she was
>sending it from was My Account. Her E-Mail address is
>LudwigCBDB@hotmail.com
>she, and I, would like it if you could have the E-Mail address that this
>information is being sent to changed to this
address(LudwigCBDB@hotmail.com)
>and not this one.
Does anyone have *any* idea what this person is saying???
****In case no one's heard (I don't think it's been posted here yet) the new
Spock's Beard album (The Kindness of Strangers) is coming out Jan 1. See
http://home.pacbell.net/proghead/thoughts.html for details. I can't wait.
It will be one day too late for being the second-best release of '97.
Bummer. =) ****
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:47:56 -0500
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ramblings......
Message-ID: <348CB15C.444D@earthlink.net>
Something with nothing better to do whined:
> Something entirely full of itself wrote:
>
> > FII is great?! yeah right....the only thing its good for is curing my insomnia.
>
> Pleasant dreams :)
>
> <yawn> Your post cured mine, by the way... see how easy it is to find
> the good in almost anything?
Hmm..it was so boring..yet you delivered such a stunning commentary on
it?!
> > it is possible for people just not to like a band.
>
> As long as they don't tell anyone in here about it. 'Cuz you know us,
> we'll tear the asshole a new asshole :)
Especially since we're so "open-minded" in here.
Tolerance??....bah..who needs it when you can have the Ytsejam for
free! Opinionated assholes included......
> So...what do you dream about during Hell's Kitchen?
> :)
Being forced to sit through the Hanson/Puff DAddy music festival hosted
by Urkel.
cheers,
Carlo
NP: AT THE GATES "Terminal Spirit Disease"
--
_
__| |__
"When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __|
maybe then you'll begin to understand | |
Life down here is just a strange illusion." | |
|_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:04:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu
Subject: Jan 3rd date
Message-ID: <199712090304.WAA13822@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:22:51 -0500 (EST)
> From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: DT at Jaxx Jan 3rd?
> Message-ID: <199712081722.MAA26106@umbc8.umbc.edu>
>
>
> Anyone know about a Jaxx show on January 3rd? That date has now
> been added to the Jaxx web site and the December 26th show has been
> removed.
>
The lates tour dates has Jan 3rd being at the Strand in Providence.
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:13:27 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: D-Man's causing trouble again
Message-ID: <199712090313.TAA12245@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "Christopher R. Merlo" said:
>
>Just wondering who agrees and who disagrees with the following humble
>opinion:
>
>The studio version of Another Day is the best I've heard.
>
Get the fuck off the list you.... oh, it's you Chris!!!
:)
-The Doc
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