YTSEJAM Digest 3366
Today's Topics:
1) Dream Theatre setlist shortened?
by The cute Hanson <skooc@earthlink.net>
2) JANRUARY 3RD - NOT IN PROVIDENCE.
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
3) Re: Bombay Vindaloo
by Cloud Strife <calfaro@caribe.net>
4) DT coming to Jaxx
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) For those going to the Atlanta show... (ACOS TAB project)
by "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
6) VIndaloo Harmonics
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
7) Re: Bombay Vindaloo
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
8) Re: Have we forgotten where we are?
by Jim Suplizio <jim.suplizio@GSC.GTE.com>
9) Bunch-a-stuff
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
10) Re: Al
by Nicholas Giannotti <nickg@gis.net>
11) Re: TSO
by "Kelly A. McAllister" <s0277007@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
12) A lurker's going on a posting spree! HIT THE DECK!!!
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
13) Compositional Process
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
14) Savatage
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
15) QR and 20 minute songs
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
16) Off-a great day!!!
by Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com>
17) Re: For those going to the Atlanta show... (ACOS TAB project)
by eckie@asu.edu
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 02:28:16 -0800 (PST)
From: The cute Hanson <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theatre setlist shortened?
Message-ID: <199712151028.CAA07334@norway.it.earthlink.net>
Hi,
To the person who said the setlist for the show they went to was shortened,
how long was the set? The normal set is right at two hours (:115-:120) if
that's any help.
Just got done with two nights of seeing Yes here in the SF bay area
and if you didn't go you missed out big time! If you think Johnny Myung
is a good bass player you should see Chris Squire (sp?) play. He makes
Myung look like Courtney Love :) This was :165 of some of the best music
I've ever heard in my life (and some of you know how long I've been going
to concerts so that's saying a lot).
Scott
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:02:31 -0500
From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: JANRUARY 3RD - NOT IN PROVIDENCE.
Message-ID: <01bd0951$52a9c2a0$c5dfcdcf@w-ostrich-1>
Yep.
Mike Portnoy asked me to relay this message to you all of you so, here
goes...
The Janruary 3rd (At the Strand) is no longer happening...'cause it's no
longer open. :) Instead, they're playing Jaxx in Springfield, Virginia.
GET YOUR TICKETS NOW!
Should be a great show!
- mike.
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:35:57 -0500
From: Cloud Strife <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Bombay Vindaloo
Message-ID: <3495404D.FA6168A6@caribe.net>
PERCGR8 wrote:
> At the begining of this masterpiece harmonics are heard. This sounds like
> guitar harmonics to me but then so does the solo when it enters and the
> harmonics are still playing in the backround.
> And we both
> very outwardly threw out the idea that it could be the bass doing the
> harmonics.
In there you were rightits the bass doing the harmonics.... myung uses harmonics a
lot on their little jams..
--In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:03:44 -0500 (EST) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT coming to Jaxx Message-ID: <199712151503.KAA18635@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Just a quick note... I may make a longer review of my back-to-back Fates shows if I get the chance...
Anyway, while at the Fates show at Jaxx this weekend, the signs inside and outside of the club have DT slated for 1/3/97.
Any official word on this?
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:12:03 -0600 From: "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: For those going to the Atlanta show... (ACOS TAB project) Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C080128@chipola.cc.fl.us>
If anyone gets a chance to meet or talk with Petrucci, you would be doing me a great favor if you can ask him about the ACOS TAB that was handed to him a few months ago. In particular, I want to know:
1) If he approves/disapproves of us doing this. 2) If he has had a chance to look it over (and his overall impressions) 3) If he can help us correct it.
Maybe someone could take him another copy of the TAB just in case.
I was hoping to go, but can't because of work. Mark Peters is going, and is going to try to talk with Petrucci. But I'm asking all who are going to try to increase the chances that we get some info from him.
Please let me know if you have _any_ success!
Thanks,
The MadTabber vaughnb@chipola.cc.fl.us
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:26:30 -0800 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: VIndaloo Harmonics Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971215072618.006b4558@cats.ucsc.edu>
I always interpreted them to be bass harmonics, like on the intro to Scarred, which sounds a lot like BV (and probably was spawned by it)
JM has done a few bass harmonics things, even recently, look at that part halfway through LITS. Before that: Scarred, The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun ...
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | /__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:55:06 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bombay Vindaloo Message-ID: <199712151555.KAA01560@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > At the begining of this masterpiece harmonics are heard. This sounds like > guitar harmonics to me but then so does the solo when it enters and the > harmonics are still playing in the backround. Since this is a live album i > find myself not baffled by this but too many ways to do this that i can think > of. So i was in hope that you fellow jammers could help me. My friend says > that it is the keyboards that starts the solo but i know that if it is the > keyboards then the transition to guitar is god like. But then thats DT for ya. > I came up with it might have been a sampled sound on the keyboards since i > dont really hear any other keyboard part during the very begining with the > harmonics. But there again that is a perfect sample if it is. And we both > very outwardly threw out the idea that it could be the bass doing the > harmonics. But i am unsure as to which, if any, of these ideas it might be. > So if any of you know the answer you would settle a big question mark for my > friend and I. Thanx >
For me, I always thought that it was bass, with harmonics...... kinda like LSoaD.........
-Al
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:12:25 -0500 From: Jim Suplizio <jim.suplizio@GSC.GTE.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Have we forgotten where we are? Message-ID: <349556E9.6E17@GSC.GTE.com>
al@isd.net wrote
> Dumb question. > Why does a DT digest only have a 15% DT context ? > If I wanted to hear about other bands I would be elsewhere. > A small amount of comments relating to other bands would be fine. > Let us get back to the topic we all signed up for in the first place... >
This group is dedicated to DT and DT like bands so the Jam isn't 100% DT.
Jim
-- "We are all books of blood, as soon as we're open we're red" --Clive Barker
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:18:02 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bunch-a-stuff Message-ID: <v01530511b0bafd90a666@[209.50.100.137]>
Heyall, howzy?
>>Anyhow, about my first Marillion experience...... I haven't listened to >>it thoroughly yet, but my first impression isn't too great. Is all of >>their stuff this mellow? It seems too.....sedate for my tastes.
Having just heard Marillion for the first time (in a sense) two nights ago, it doesn't bother me that they're this mellow. I prefer heavier music, but this kept my interest. Btw people, it was a double live album I had bought on vinyl 5 yrs ago (Theiving Magpie), having only played it once, it's been shelved since. Dug it out of the basement the other night after all the talk here. Put it on. Half way through the intro I stopped it, went to the store and bought 2 blank cassettes, then proceeded.
>>Why does a DT digest only have a 15% DT context ?
Cause "Dream Theater" is shortened to "DT" which is a reduction to about 15% :-)
>>A small amount of comments relating to other bands would be fine. >>Let us get back to the topic we all signed up for in the first place...
I understand your concern, however, it tends to get very repetetive talking ONLY about DT. I admit sometimes when reading a post about Fates I forget which list I'm reading, but there are a lot of bands who don't have their own lists.
>>I think the internet can be a big factor. Look at what we are doing here.
Exactly. Since '92, these are the bands I've gotten into BECAUSE of the internet (and a stint at pre-internet prodigy):
Magellan, Shadow Gallery, Iced Earth, Blind Guardian, Gamma Ray, Mania, Chroming Rose, Iron Saviour, Ice Age, Quiet Room, The Gathering, Eternity X, Virgin Steele, Stratovarious, Airged Lamh, Cea Serin, Elegy, Echolyn, Skyclad, Ayreon, Kamelot, Rage, Hyperion, Pavlovs Dogs, Titan Force, Iron Fortress, you get the idea...
Here are the bands I got into WITHOUT the internet: Helloween, Savatage, Fates Warning, & Marillion. That's it. And these four came from a neighbor. Which list is bigger? In the future I'm convinced that the internet will do more for new bands than radio ever did.
>>But the music companies would take steps to prevent that. >>Copyright laws, probably, or maybe they'd work out some sort of deal >>with the software companies. (In any event, Bill Gates makes more money.)
By then Bill Gates will have BOUGHT the record companies
Anyone here on Prodigy in '92 remember giving up their Magellan tape after buying the CD and mailing it to a guy in Ohio? Here's a five year anniversary thank-you.
-Jeff Keifling http://45150.com/music
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:12:05 -0500 From: Nicholas Giannotti <nickg@gis.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Al Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19971215111205.53ff4046@gis.net>
>Dumb question.
The only dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
>Why does a DT digest only have a 15% DT context ?
Because we, as a group, are willing to open our minds to bands on this list that others have experienced. I love suggesting new bands, as well as rediscovering old ones, and I know for a FACT that I wouldn't know about TSO, Merry Axemas, Symphony X, Angra, and a whole slew of other bands and albums (would you like the list alphabetical or in order of preference?) that are well worth listening to.
Just because this is a DT-based list doesn't mean that ALL of the conversation has to revolve around DT. When you subscribe to a newspaper, do you only read the news and throw all the flyers, comics, sports, business, and classifieds out? I hope not - you're missing out on a valuable part of the newspaper. Same thing here. Plus, the people on this list are all, IMHO, well-versed, well-read, and extremely intelligent, with insights that are often surprising and very meaningful (and I'm not lumping myself in with that lot). It's a good idea to listen to what they have to say most of the time.
On a side note, I broke my EOJ cherry the other day. Woo Hoo! :)
-Nicholas
"Everyone who believes in psychokinesis please raise my right hand."
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 11:25:02 EST From: "Kelly A. McAllister" <s0277007@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: TSO Message-ID: <9712151625.AA29564@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
It was really funny...I worked at a mall music store when they started playing Christmas Eve in Sarajevo...I like Savatage and it was funny watching the old people who did not know what they were getting themselves into buy the DWD...Man did we have so many returns in the store of the CD that year! I think the song DWD scared a lot of people. That's all for now, I'm unsubscribing for winter break Kelly
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:32:52 PST From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A lurker's going on a posting spree! HIT THE DECK!!! Message-ID: <19971215163252.26392.qmail@hotmail.com>
I've got several posts coming up. Just thought you should be warned. :-)
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:36:52 PST From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Compositional Process Message-ID: <19971215163652.4264.qmail@hotmail.com>
As all of us who own a DT album know, the credits state the lyrics being written by one band member, but the music is almost always written by "Dream Theater" supposedly meaning all five members of the band.(The two exceptions I can think of are Wait for Sleep, both lyrics and music by KM, and The Silent Man, both lyrics and music by JP.)
What I'm curious about is, how are they able to craft their songs so wonderfully if they've got five conflicting ideas running about? Does the one who wrote the lyrics come up with a musical idea and then they all add their own things to it? Is it a democracy? How does this work?
It just seems that it would be a great big mess. That's all.
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame. Don't you see life's a game? So take hold of the flame. You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
Queensryche-"Take Hold of the Flame"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289
"Mon pere. Quel buffoon."-Bart Simpson
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:40:48 PST From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Savatage Message-ID: <19971215164048.7045.qmail@hotmail.com>
I just recently got DWD, and I think that musically, it is wonderful! I particularly like "This Isn't What We Meant," "One Child," "Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12/24," and "Not What You See." However, I think the lead singer's voice is a little too gravelly for my taste. Especially, in the title track, he sounds a little too much like James Hetfield. Any differing opinions?
Are there any other Savatage albums anyone would recommend? I already asked for "Streets" for Xmas, but I was wondering if any of the others would be a good investment.
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame. Don't you see life's a game? So take hold of the flame. You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
Queensryche-"Take Hold of the Flame"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289
"Mon pere. Quel buffoon."-Bart Simpson
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:46:55 PST From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: QR and 20 minute songs Message-ID: <19971215164655.5961.qmail@hotmail.com>
Warning! Resurrecting old threads in one post! AAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
I was thinking about when HitNF came out, how some people were talking about fans expecting "Operation:Mindcrime II" and were upset when they didn't get it. That wasn't what I was expecting, but I was still disappointed.
But that's beside the point.
Anyway, what I was thinking is that QR could put out an album with one 20 min suite, with a storyline(like Mindcrime, but a different story) and then put other songs on the same album.
Opinions? Flames?
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame. Don't you see life's a game? So take hold of the flame. You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
Queensryche-"Take Hold of the Flame"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289
"Mon pere. Quel buffoon."-Bart Simpson
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:21:17 -0700 From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com> To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>, Subject: Off-a great day!!! Message-ID: <3495670D.572973A4@TransWestTaxi.com>
Hi all! Yesterray was my Birthday-and a nice one too! Even tho I had to work!!! I got "Riven" from my hubby and the new Yes "Open Your eyes" from my good music friend!!! And according to my sister, more stuff is on the way!!!! I also got to talk to 2 of my brothers!! Gee-it's fun to pick on family!! Rock on! Pam
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:10:02 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: For those going to the Atlanta show... (ACOS TAB project) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971215110845.5899A-100000@general2.asu.edu>
> handed to him a few months ago. In particular, I want to know: > > 1) If he approves/disapproves of us doing this.
Why would he disapprove of fans trying to figure out his own songs and teaching each other? He knows tab books are rip-offs nowadays! :)
~Eckie Again
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