YTSEJAM Digest 3375
Today's Topics:
1) New CDs
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
2) Dan Senko/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office.
by D04NMS21/04/M/IBM <d04nms21@us.ibm.com>
3) Re: New CDs
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
4) thiefs/Fates/hollow years
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
5) Symphony X
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
6) I DON'T HAVE AN ALIEN PROBE IN MY ASS!
by The Cute Hanson <skooc@earthlink.net>
7) big tough guys; b/l/s
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
8) Re: Yesssugestion
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
9) Re: To Graham
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
10) Atlanta Show (LONG)
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
11) Re: Symphony X
by "James" <thirdhvn@community.net>
12) Thelonius Monk among other things
by Dominor252 <Dominor252@aol.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3366
by " B?der" <satriani@claretianas.com.br>
14) Atl. wrap-up --> Web page
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
15) Take Cover!
by someone@prognosis.com
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:29:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New CDs
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-1217142907-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
I just had a rather interesting visit to my local Tower Records. It
happens *every single year* . . . I go to buy some Christmas presents, and
I just end up buying a load of CDs for myself instead. Hmph.
Anyway, in the Dream Theater section, I came across a Winter Rose double
CD, the second disc being a German record company promo with tracks by Enchant,
Symphony X, Vanden Plas, Tiles, Mindfeed and Eldritch. There's a sticker on
the front of the jewel case proudly proclaiming "feat. James LaBrie, the
voice of Dream Theater". Nice cheesy 80s hair photo on the back. :-)
I also picked up Vanden Plas's "The God Thing", which also had a sticker
on the front. This time the proclamation is that they're "On Tour With
Dream Theater", with a list of tour dates from 30/11/97 Milan to 9/12/97
London. Cool.
Lastly, I chose a random The Gathering CD, in the hope that it has that
Anneke chick singing on it. Nightime Birds. I haven't listened to
any of these discs yet, so I know how I'm going to spend my weekend (apart
from the usual end-of-term festivities).
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:55:37 -0500 From: D04NMS21/04/M/IBM <d04nms21@us.ibm.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dan Senko/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: <5040200009286789000002L092*@MHS>
I am out of the office from 12-17-97, returning 01-05-98. You will receive only this notification of my absence prior to my return, at which time I will respond. I am out of the office from 12-17-98, returning 01-05-98. Generally, you will receive only this notification of my absence prior to my return. However, I will be checking Notes intermittently while away. If I have not responded to you during my absence, I will respond on Monday 01-05-98.
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:56:26 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: New CDs Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971217125303.29368A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Graham Borland wrote:
> Lastly, I chose a random The Gathering CD, in the hope that it has that > Anneke chick singing on it. Nightime Birds.
Well, I heard "Mandylion" and while the singing and music are interesting, one thing that put me down on this band were the lyrics, I mean, the lyrics kind of neutralized the enthusiasm that I felt with the music.
Or they are waaaaay ahead my comphreension or they only write crap. I don't know what is the case.
> Graham
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:20:56 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: thiefs/Fates/hollow years Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971217101612.20687H-100000@bdmserver>
Steve Z wrote: >My car was broken into yesterday. My CD player along w/ my Japanese FII >and my <autographed> Japanese Awake CDs <with both 3" CDs> were stolen. >My Rush Test For Echo CD and my Bryn Terfel sings Handel Arias CD were >also taken.
That sucks! Were your cds out in the open? Was it a changer or a head unit? Why did you have valuable cds in your car?
I dont put boots or import cds in my car at all. They are too hard to replace (and expensive).
-- The best Fates cd to start out with is Chasing Time. This cd has songs from all the Fates cds except for APSOG. -- The Hollow Years single is available as an import. I know cdconnection.com has it. I doubt if it will be released in the States. Probably only if it becomes a hit but since radio statons suck...
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:44:36 PST From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Symphony X Message-ID: <19971217154436.21913.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey all.
Does anyone know the release date for the new Symphony X album? Help would be appreciated,
-Vilzu-
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:46:23 -0800 (PST) From: The Cute Hanson <skooc@earthlink.net> To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I DON'T HAVE AN ALIEN PROBE IN MY ASS! Message-ID: <199712171546.HAA12477@norway.it.earthlink.net>
>Yes, for the first time since the NFL merger, the Arizona Cardinals >will finish a season as the worst team in the league. If we do NOT >either pull a "1989 Dallas" and trade that pick for a shitload of >awesome offensive linemen, or draft a VERY LARGE boy to protect my man >Jake Plummer, I will support any initiative to get the team to leave >Phoenix and will be content to wait until a future league expansion.
Well, The way Dallas actually became a Dynasty was two-fold:
1) a 1-15 record (one win away from my dream 0-16, I HATE THE COWFAGS!)
2) Special thanks to the Minnesota Vikings for trading 12 draft picks over a five year period for Hershel Walker. Dallas may have had the #1 pick, but that's only one pick. And in reality how many #1 picks end up becoming stars, not many. It was the Gump-style trade set up my Minnesota management which gave Dallas all those great players. You look at when guys like Smith and Aikman joined the league and they all came in about the same time.
Scott
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:45:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: big tough guys; b/l/s Message-ID: <199712171539.KAA25137@bertelsmanncis.com>
from graham (responding to jason and scott): >Yes there can be no doubt that I am an asshole for daring to speak my mind
no, it has nothing to do with speaking your mind. it has everything to do with being consistently negative in posts, never without an insult. i always get a good laugh at people (specifically you, graham) who talk bigger than life, always quick to curse and scream at others through the computer. what a spoiled little boy you are. amazing how tough people can be hiding behind the computer screen... certainly a sure sign of a genuine coward.
jason, scott, anyone else... i share your frustration with this annoying little miscreant. just don't sink to his level. it's really not necessary.
on a brighter note, i tend to think the bozzio/levin'stevens is a very strong album. if they're true "jams," then they're on an extremely high level. i tend to think of the album as loosely compositional. the music is very solo-oriented, of course, but it really has balls. it bleeds of confidence and experimental playing, and i dig that.
--MATt
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:54:06 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: Just Let Me Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Yesssugestion Message-ID: <3497F59E.6956@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
/me wrote and rushed out the door:
> Look at DT I&W: some very popular sounding stuff on there > (PMU,LSOAD,IF)
My bad. Obviously LSOAD an IF are on Awake, duh :) Well, at least the part about popular sounding stuff was on track. Imagine UAGM in there instead. In any event, opefully the point I was trying to make was not lost. -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
"The Apollo Guidance Computer was primitive by any modern comparison having but 72 kilobytes of ROM and 4 kilobytes of RAM"
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:00:28 -0500 From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: To Graham Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971217110028.007beb70@mindspring.com>
> Hey, Graham, here's my top ten ass-holes of the fucking millenium:
> 10) (any guesses? anyone? anyone?) oh, hey, it's you! > > Quit being a dickhead for the sake of being a dickhead.
You mean just like you were being? Keep this shit off the list. I actually agree with Graham about the damned Top 10 lists. People have been doing this shit forever, and it's been illegal for most of forever. Arash posted a Top 10 list and then a 15 line .sig file right after it. Completely worthless waste of space, like alot of .sig files on this list. People need to realize we don't care about their favorite lyrics to an album, especially if it takes up 15 lines and is the same as everyone else's ("In the stream of consciousness..." for example). Jeeze...
Terrapin,
Adam
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:02:23 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Under a Glass Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Atlanta Show (LONG) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.971217110112.9201A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
The Atlanta Ytse-invasion went well! :) Good to meet all of you folk (I will not mention a single name because I would be bound to forget one, but I did meet and shake hands with most of you).
We hung out for several hours before the show wondering where the band was. Roadies and underlings could be seen scurrying around the tourbus, grabbing equipment from the bus and unpacking it from additional U-Haul's and Ryder trucks. (Lotta stuff). We passed the time listening to more prog music from Curtis "Sticks" Toler's amazingly powerful stereo. I think we amused the club employees; a few times I could see them standing by the entrance and peering curiously towards the noise, trying to figure out what was going on.
Around 4.30 or so, a taxi showed and a single person got out. I think now that it was John P., but at the time he was too far away and hurried into the club too quickly to find out. It looked like he wouldn't have wanted to be bothered anyway.
An hour or so later, an taxivan showed up and the four other guys got out and moved into the bus. We found out where they'd been: they were all shopping. :) Lots of mall-type carrying bags. At this point Curtis shut off the music and we moved to the entrance to begin waiting in line (and hopefully meet the guys).
John Myung came out first. Bass slung over his shoulder, he moved towards the entrance; when we waved and said hi, he came towards us and smiled. He signed almost everybody's stuff; I was the last one "in line," so to speak, and he moved off. True to form, he said perhaps three words, though he did smile a lot.
Derek popped out awhile later. We didn't press him either, though we waved and said hi; he walked past after we directed him to the entrance, saying he'd be back in a bit.
James came by shortly afterwards. He emerged from the bus, saw us, and promptly made a beeline for us. A very nice guy; anybody who says he's egotistical or a jerk needs their head examined. He, too, signed everything put in front of him and was very talkative and friendly. He went back to the bus after looking around a bit. Shortly afterwards, he met up with John M and Derek, and the three of them walked off someplace (we think, to eat). They returned in 45 min or so and went inside for soundcheck. Mike popped out of the bus not long after they got back, but he went straight to a different entrance and they let him in there.
They started letting people in about 8 or so and there was a bit of confusion when they let us in and then pushed us back out again (apparently the sound people weren't done with Big Wreck yet). 8.30 or so, they finally let us in. We spent another 45 min or so waiting while a technician screwed around with Derek's Hammond-style organ; he took it apart and put it back together several times. At 9.15 Big Wreck took the stage.
Big Wreck: An okay band. Not the choice I'd have picked for opening for DT, but the vocalist/lead guitarist is pretty talented. Unfortunately, he's also got a mouth that's going to lose him a lot of fans. The crowd wasn't overly friendly, true, but every wisecrack that came his way he turned around into a personal insult against the idiot who flung it. He also wanted to know "What happened to southern hospitality?" A pity; he's a pretty good guitarist and the bassist is pretty good as well.
After another 45 min or so (during which the stage was cleaned up markedly), the lights went down and Derek came onstage and launched into "Lines in the Sand," shortly followed by the other bandmembers.
What can I say? I have now seen DT play live from the front row. I can die a happy man. What an incredible show. The band was dead-on all night; John M's playing was tasteful and powerful; Mike was an animal on the drums, beating them into submission; John P was in-your-face all night (literally, often playing just inches from us in the front row); Derek pounded hell out of his keys, often looking like he was in a strip show or something :) ; and James was a whirling dervish all night, running from end to end on the stage, making hand gestures and holding out his mic for the crowd to sing along. An utterly incredible performance.
High points for me:
1) The bits of ACOS they played (it's my fave DT song); 2) Scarred (it's my second fave song). John played the shred solo right in front of me; his fingers were a blur. 3) Under a Glass Moon (this song KICKS live); 4) James and Mike dedicating "Just Let Me Breathe" to local idiot Mitchell Foy. Hahahahahahahaha..... 5) Having the band members point directly at me (Mike, Derek) after brief solos, play their instrument "to" me (looking straight at me -- John P), or generally single me out during the show. I love front row... :) 6) The YtseJam/Mike's drum solo. He is an ANIMAL. Couldn't believe my eyes or my ears. 7) Encore -- Metropolis pt. 1. Amazing!!!!
8) High-fiving the guys after the show was over, screaming thank-yous at the top of my lungs. Mike handed one of his sticks to me, shooing away three other people who tried to grab it. What a rush!
Low points (as if anything could be really "low" at a show this great) for me:
1) I wish they had played Take Away My Pain. I know that Under a Glass Moon gets exchanged for it usually, so I wouldn't trade; still... 2) Dropping the stick when I was bumped HARD in the midst of a crowd of people, and watching somebody else grab my stick and head out the door. Dammit. Oh well, Mike handed it to me personally, so I'm happy anyway.
After the show, we hung out inside near the backstage area hoping the guys would come out. Derek and John M sneaked out the back entrance and went straight to the bus, but John P came out and signed for a while (looking very tired; I left him alone after just a few words of thanks), then headed to the bus, followed quickly by James and Mike. I talked to Mike for a while (a LONG while compared to most "famous" folk; he is about the most outgoing guy you can meet) and thanked him and the other guys for coming to Atlanta. Mike left and headed for the bus after awhile and we waited a bit longer till one of the roadies told us Derek and John M had already left.
We went outside and waited by the tourbus, hoping John M or Derek would reappear. Neither was in sight, but the evergregarious Mike was busy talking to anyone within earshot. When he finally went back inside, we asked him to see if Derek or John might be available. He smiled, said he'd do what he could, and disappeared after another round of high-fives. Shortly after, the Silent Man reappeared and signed for awhile. He seemed a little embarrassed by all the attention, but stayed till everyone had had their stuff signed. He said that Derek was sleeping, so we regretfully took our leave at that point.
Guys in DT: If you're reading this, THANK YOU for such a great show. To the Ytses I met: good to see you. Hope to meet you again at some point.
Happy holidays, Phil
===================================================================== Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: Gary Hoey -- "Ho! Ho! Hoey!"
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:09:12 -0800 From: "James" <thirdhvn@community.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Symphony X Message-ID: <01bd0b06$1d571ec0$dbb15ecc@mpeywdzn>
> Hey all. > Does anyone know the release date for the new Symphony X album? > Help would be appreciated, > -Vilzu- According to their Web-page--Feb 18.
http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/wellerville/3/news.html
Not too far away. There's going to be a slew (what's a slew?) of great CD's coming out next year. It'll definately be a good prog-year.
--james--
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:18:50 EST From: Dominor252 <Dominor252@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Thelonius Monk among other things Message-ID: <2cfc103.3497fb6e@aol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-17 00:33:46 EST, you write:
<< Now, for something completely different, do you people into Jazz know of a pianist called Thelonius Monk?? Any comments on his works? I heard that he did something with John Coltrane. I also don't know John Coltrane, but he is very famous. I don't know if he is famous for good or bad reasons (Steve Vai vs. Kurt Nobrain). >>
I first got exposure to Thelonius Monk and John Coltrane in the wonderful world of college... they are godfathers of jazz music as we know it :)... so they're definitely famous, not infamous
On another note, I just moved to Harrisburg PA (pretty damn small for a state capital, IMO), and I was wondering if there were any jammers in my area of the state... also, I would like to know of any upcoming PA/NY/MD/DC dates for DT (if they've not exhausted their playing in this region yet)... thanks in advance everyone!
Matthew
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:32:01 -0200 From: " B?der" <satriani@claretianas.com.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3366 Message-ID: <3497FE81.9F885E9A@claretianas.com.br>
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:13:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Atl. wrap-up --> Web page Message-ID: <199712171713.AA20606@crl.crl.com>
Rather than waste space on the Jam with it, I've posted the Atlanta DT show and gathering summary to the Atl. gathering page at www.crl.com/~vanyel/ytses.html.
Atlanta-area DT fans and progheads, if you're interested in a periodic Ytse-gathering to trade tapes and listen to prog-stuff, please email me at the addres below. I'd like to try to organize something, maybe to coincide with the Atlanta Record Show (held monthly). Folks, the True Music cannot thrive without occasionally seeing some sun. :)
Could the children arguing over the top-10 list please take it to private email or, better yet, just drop it since it's plain silly? I think I speak for most of the Jam when I paraphrase the "dirty" version of ACoS and say that we don't need your FUCKIN SHIT to get us through OUR day.
-- +-- ...once the cloud that's raining ---+- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | over your head / disappears | vanyel@crl.com | | the noise that you hear | www.crl.com/~vanyel | +--is the crashing down of Hollow Years.... --+---- ICQ #4151223 -----+
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:06:05 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Take Cover! Message-ID: <199712171900.LAA13500@odin.ax.com>
> From: YtseJim <lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu>
> > My CD player along w/ my Japanese FII > > and my <autographed> Japanese Awake CDs <with both 3" CDs> were > stolen. > > this may be a stupid question, but why did you have your > SIGNED RARE JAPANESE Awake CD in the car? does your cheap > american awake CD sound different?
LOL! Good catch... I never thought of that!
> > That's what amazes me about the Fates thread... So many people > > are trying so desperately to get into their music, simply 'cuz > > Ytsejammers are "supposed" to like them. Use album suggestions > > as a chance to broaden your horizons, but don't force yourself > > to like something just to fit in with the crowd.
I don't know where this particular quote came from, but I have 2 possible suspects, and I'd bet the farm on one or the other. You just go on thinking that Fates fans are just following the Progressive trend, and ignore the fact that people can like other bands because of their own free will. I personally liked Fates first. But regardless, I think that theory of yours is utter bullshit. Just because you may not enjoy Fates doesn't mean everyone mirrors your tastes. If someone buys their first Fates album because of a suggestion on this list, it's no different than someone buying Sean Malone's solo album, or Brian Wherry's demo... they do that on a suggestion. If they then say they LIKE it, chances are..... THEY DO. Just accept that. Don't second guess people... there's no need.
> > Now, for something completely different, do you people into Jazz > > know of a pianist called Thelonius Monk?? Any comments on his works? I > > heard that he did something with John Coltrane. I also don't know John > > Coltrane, but he is very famous. I don't know if he is famous for good or > > bad reasons (Steve Vai vs. Kurt Nobrain).
I don't have any of Monk's stuff, but I can tell you a bit about Coltrane. His appeal is that he's an amazing technical player on the Sax, but has a (then) unique sound and feel... a lot of soul, and a LOT of work to get where he was. Some of his songs are particularly noteworthy because of the incredibly difficult chord changes he solos over. Check out Giant Steps and Countdown... listen to them a few times until you understand the melody and structure.... there is SO MUCH to learn from that music! For those of you not too familiar with Jazz, jazz musicians generally follow the chord progression with their solos... soloing over each chord, as opposed to choosing a scale or mode and winging it on that alone (or worse, writing the rhythm around your mode, to make your solo sound better). You can hear Petrucci doing this a bit more on some of the live outtakes, and in a simple way, on the TOT solo. > From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net> > > Yes there can be no doubt that I am an asshole for daring to speak my mind > and there is no guessing who gets the runners up prize. > There are no prizes for second best, but if there was it would be a > bag-o-shit, so pick yourself up and beat it..........
I don't understand. GaZ is generally cool on IRC and IParty... but this is clearly fucking with people just to cause problems. Can you make an ATTEMPT to keep your fragile little temper in check? I'm doing so.... see? I haven't called you a dick yet. :) Come on... you're just looking for another Fors to jump on... consider that it's not that amusing to other people.
> From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
> --James dedicated "JLMB" (after it was played) to our hapless reviewer > buddy Mitchell Foy! :) :)
ROCK ON!!! > From: krackley@weidmuller.com
> I was wanting to get a Fates Warning CD and I heard alot of good things > about Inside Out (I'm definitely not getting APSoG yet). Any other > suggestions, comments?
As the story goes, you may or may not like the album, but I think it's KILLER. I'd still recommend Parallels or Chasing Time to a first time Fates Listener. Remember, if you buy Chasing Time, that's like a cross section of all of their styles, past to present. You may not like some of the songs, but if you do like some, you'll probably like the whole album the song originated on. And KM played keys on one of the tracks. :)
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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