YTSEJAM Digest 3382
Today's Topics:
1) Mitchell Foy
by Shawn Carroll <carrolls@psi.com>
2) The gift that keeps on shredding :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
3) Snowballs
by Nicholas Giannotti <nickg@gis.net>
4) The Dream Theater
by Max Arbot <MaxArbot@aol.com>
5) HY lyrics
by Madsag <Madsag@aol.com>
6) Need Opinions on these bands
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
7) The Dream Theater (My apologies for any duplicates)
by Max Arbot <MaxArbot@aol.com>
8) Re: Winter!!!
by eckie@asu.edu
9) Re: Mitchell Foy
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
10) Ibanez 7 Strings (related, but no official DTC)
by "Brian J. Ketelsen" <bketelsen@earthlink.net>
11) TSO
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
12) member count
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
13) Me and my PENIS
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
14) Re: ACOS Triggers
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
15) jon vs. zak and kjlb
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
16) TOP 20 UNSTABLE ISOTOPES
by someone@prognosis.com
17) Re: ACOS Triggers
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
18) Re: Snowball (the bastard comment) /// Jammers in the UP
by Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
19) names/calling people names/
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
20) Drum triggers...in general.
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
21) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Kerrang review of London gig/music bizz in UK
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:48:14 -0500
From: Shawn Carroll <carrolls@psi.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mitchell Foy
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971218104811.0097aea0@p3.herndon.psi.com>
Can someone in Atlanta explain who is this local hero Mitchell Foy and what
is the significance? Thanks,
Shawn
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:00:08 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: Just Let Me Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The gift that keeps on shredding :)
Message-ID: <34994888.6488@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Matt:
> and give someone FII for Christmas.
What a great idea! Boost sales of FII, and DT in general.
Ok, people, let's empty the bins!!!! :)
Hey, some executive bean counter pinhead somewhere will have to notice
this little blip on the radar screen.
Regards,
Jon
-- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*"" -- Raise The Knife (off the album Falling Into Infinity) :)
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:19:34 -0500 From: Nicholas Giannotti <nickg@gis.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Snowballs Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19971218111934.3d975d44@gis.net>
Is there really a need for those? Once, MAYBE, but 3 times? C'mon... And why is it that everyone likes to AmericanBash?? *Sigh*... -Nicholas
"Everyone who believes in psychokinesis please raise my right hand."
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:50:27 EST From: Max Arbot <MaxArbot@aol.com> To: choonkang@the.site.ch, al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx, d.kops@tip.nl, Subject: The Dream Theater Message-ID: <1f10f19.34994648@aol.com>
Hey there, I assume there are a few of you have come to The Dream Theater. But for those that haven't, here's an open invitation. There's everything you'd expect from a DT site, and more. Think you know everything about DT? Take the Dream Theater Quiz!!
[eriC] <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/index.html">The Dream Theater http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/index.html>
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:32:13 EST From: Madsag <Madsag@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: HY lyrics Message-ID: <6025e2b7.3499500f@aol.com>
trevor wrote:
<<In the chorus of Hollow Years, after James sings "Bury me in the sand", Mike sings something like "up to the waves" or "into the waves" or something waves. Does anyone know what the lyric is?>>
i hear "into the waves" whether thats whats being sung, i dont know, thats just what it sounds like to me one of my favorite parts of the song btw
and if i see that damn snowball one more time.........
~melissa~ madsag@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 11:37:40 EST From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng" To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Need Opinions on these bands Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+I2JaoA@tcx.tcco.com>
I was thinking about ordering some CDs from Empire Entertainment. Does anyone have any opinions/comparisons on the following bands:
AVALON RHAPSODY VANDEN PLAS ELEGY MERCURY RISING MIND ODYSSEY ROYAL HUNT
Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:53:10 EST From: Max Arbot <MaxArbot@aol.com> To: choonkang@the.site.ch, Ytse@cris.com, andymagitz@yahoo.com, dms@bluewin.ch, Subject: The Dream Theater (My apologies for any duplicates) Message-ID: <66237cef.349946e9@aol.com>
Hey there, I assume there are a few of you have come to The Dream Theater. But for those that haven't, here's an open invitation. There's everything you'd expect from a DT site, and more. Think you know everything about DT? Take the Dream Theater Quiz!!
[eriC] <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/index.html">The Dream Theater http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/index.html>
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:21:04 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Winter!!! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971218101904.4949A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Choon-Kang Walther mindlessly threw a snowball at us:
> > > >>>>it's the first snowball fight of the season. Consider yourself hit.
You were dropped on your head as a child, weren't you?
~Eckie ponders a snowball's chance in a flame war
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:22:03 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Mitchell Foy Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971218152127.11348A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Shawn Carroll wrote:
> Can someone in Atlanta explain who is this local hero Mitchell Foy and > what is the significance? Thanks,
He was a person that bashed FII without even knowing what he was talking about.
> Shawn
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:26:05 -0700 From: "Brian J. Ketelsen" <bketelsen@earthlink.net> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ibanez 7 Strings (related, but no official DTC) Message-ID: <003501bd0bda$08cb01e0$070325a6@csp03996.cs.mci.com>
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Does anyone own the Ibanez RG7620 7 string electric? I was thinking about buying myself one for christmas and wondering what any current owners have to say. I can't afford the Universe, so that's out of the question...
All input appreciated,
BrianK
PS - this is off topic, so send private email if you want to.
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:47:31 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TSO Message-ID: <01IRBIOXWM9E002M8L@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
>I picked up Trans-Siberian Orchestra's "Christmas Eve and Other Stories" >yesterday at Harmony House. I figured when I asked the employee there >about it he would've thought I was nuts, but lo and behold..... He came >up with it!
The coolest thing to happen to me all week, was finding this disc at WALMART, for about 13 bucks(17 everywhere else I saw it), bringing it up to the register, and having the housewife behind me say, "oh, is that those people that were on the Rosie O'donnel show? I really liked them!"
josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:50:16 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: member count Message-ID: <01IRBIVU0H4O002M8L@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
I dunno if it's on Itchy's page, or whatever, so I'm just going to ask: Can we find out how many new subscribers there have been, since FII was released? I'm curious to see if the fanbase has grown at all, because if it has, I would assume the jam would grow as well. I just took stats, so I like this sort of stuff now. :)
josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:03:28 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Me and my PENIS Message-ID: <01IRBJC44MTA002M8L@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
>If the best you can do is insult people over the net then you must have an infinitesimally small penis.
hahahahahahahaha
"Goddamit, stop this fucking cursing!"
josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:56:29 -0500 From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: " - (052)Ytse(a)cris.com" <Ytse@cris.com> Subject: Re: ACOS Triggers Message-ID: <0010200002205851000002L012*@MHS>
> From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com> < Subject: ACOS triggers > < On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Rick Booth wrote: > < > It will be nice to hear the 1992-era ACOS... w/ Kev... w/ Original > > lyrics. And WITHOUT the annoying I&W drum triggers. < > Triggers? What triggers? < > -Rick Audet
Rick, I know what you're trying to say, but I think some people who are=
faster on the trigger than I am just might give you a good flaming over=
this one. I know you're not stupid enough to have forgotten that there=
are drum triggers all over I&W. However, that is exactly what it looks=
like you are saying.
Don't you think it would have been much better to try something like, "Triggers?!?!?! When the hell have you ever heard a version of ACOS wit= h triggers? Is there some long lost recording that the rest of us Jammer= s don't know about? Have you perhaps stumbled across a DT collectible so=
rare that no one even knows of its existence?"
Much clearer isn't it?
"Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!" - Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com bkirk@dendrite.net Write me. If you dare! =
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:12:45 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: jon vs. zak and kjlb Message-ID: <01IRBJJ1GV1G002M8L@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
>I prefer Jon to Zak. Ask this on the Savatage mailing list and I think most would agree with me. But that makes me sound pompous, so don't say I sai d anything.
Too late. Ha ha!
Serioulsy, I thought most people on *this* list leaned(leant?) towards Zac. If that's not the case on the savalist, then that makes perfect sense, because many of us jammers got into DT before Savatage, and if I'm any indicator at all, would lean more towards a vocalist that sounds more like james. Zak doesn't really sound like james at all, but he certainly sounds less UNLIKE him, so use that subtractive rule or whatever it's called.
josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:34:10 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TOP 20 UNSTABLE ISOTOPES Message-ID: <199712181828.KAA26264@odin.ax.com>
> Well, since Ptacek ain't around, I'm gonna haveta be the dt.cop.
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
> From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
> I care nothing for jazz...
That's probably because you have a very, very open mind. :) Now what's your point? The day you can whip through some real jazz tunes (Not Autumn Leaves) at 200BPM+ is the day I will bow before you. Go home and practice!
]From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
> I'm also betting there was a typo in the Guinness index. It wasn't > the extra 0 though because JP has 540 notes in a minute beat > easily and I know he isn't the fastest out there.
There used to be a guy listed in there (His name was "Rick Raven" or something like that) who supposedly played the equivalent of 96 notes per second. Now MAYBE he did... and maybe I'm gonna post a top 100 list of guitarists better than Jason Becker! (NOT!)
Now everyone, let's ALL post annoying pictures like that Snowball, the ass-crack collection, the middle finger, and what have you! If someone doesn't quadruple faq Choon for posting that twice, I will be ashamed! :)
Chris Ptacek GET ME OFF THIS GOD DAMN MAILING LIST! "Focus On The Candy!"
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:17:48 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ACOS Triggers Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971218141748.009efe70@sol.eng.fore.com>
>< On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Rick Booth wrote: >< > It will be nice to hear the 1992-era ACOS... w/ Kev... w/ Original >> > lyrics. And WITHOUT the annoying I&W drum triggers. >< >> Triggers? What triggers? ><-Rick Audet > >Rick, I know what you're trying to say, but I think some people who are= >faster on the trigger than I am just might give you a good flaming over= >this one. I know you're not stupid enough to have forgotten that there= >are drum triggers all over I&W. However, that is exactly what it looks= >like you are saying.
Actually, what Rick Audet asked made perfect sense to me. Since there aren't triggers on any version of ACOS that I know of, I'd have to question Rick Booth's remarks just as Audet did. Instead of clouding the issue even more with questioning what Audet really meant to ask, why don't go to the source and ask what the hell Booth is talking about? Let me be the first:
Rick Booth, what the hell are you talking about, in your comment above? I know of exactly ZERO (0) recordings of ACOS that contain drum triggers, and I have most, if not all, of the recordings available of ACOS. The only time drum triggers were ever used for recording, was during the I&W recording sessions. ACOS was NOT recorded during this session. Please clear this up.
addendum: I hope I quoted everyone correctly, based on the last message I received. If you have been incorrectly quoted, my apologies. Also, forgive the use of only last names, as it was the easiest way to refer to 2 Ricks.
KAI
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:09:12 -0500 From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Snowball (the bastard comment) /// Jammers in the UP Message-ID: <349982E8.2830@mtu.edu>
If you are going to tell someone that they are a basterd for posting a giant snowball to the jam do you need to re-post it also??? Also just wondering if there are any jammer's out there who go to either MTU or NMU in the UP of Michigan?? (that is of corse other than Josh (jbrand))
Matt Stanich mwstanic@mtu.edu
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:33:01 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: Just Let Me Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: names/calling people names/ Message-ID: <3499887D.6EEA@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Choon:
> I was just wondering if there's a similar tendency among DT-fans? > Probably neither Anna Lee, Vanessa, Eve?
I always liked the name Mary Jane.
Melody walks through the door...and Mike shits his fucking pants, 'cuz she's not old enough to balance herself enough yet. Then she goes "Think that's somethin', watch this!" and she proceeds to play the intro to 6:00 on his head... :)
Al:
> If the best you can do is insult people over the net then you must > have an infinitesimally small penis.
Classic :) That's signature worthy even!!
Regarding the Hartford show, are there any plans for a pre-show get toghether? I know a good stripper bar down there...
Seriously, can any Hartford area jammers suggest a good eating/drinking establishment at which to hang?
Regards,
Jon -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:33:37 -0500 From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Drum triggers...in general. Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971218153337.007b4de0@nh.ultranet.com>
Rick Booth, what the hell are you talking about, in your comment above? I know of exactly ZERO (0) recordings of ACOS that contain drum triggers, and I have most, if not all, of the recordings available of ACOS. The only time drum triggers were ever used for recording, was during the I&W recording sessions. ACOS was NOT recorded during this session. Please clear this up.
I would be surprised if MP didn't trigger on any of the other albums. I am pretty damn sure that he used them on Awake, but only on the bass drum. 99% of bands that use double bass today use triggers on the bass drum. The reason for this is that as a drummer your left foot tends to be less conditioned than your right, causing uneven drum hits. That is what triggering does, it clears up the uneven hits OR if you have a really shitty bass drum, you can use it for single bass and replace the sound of the bass drum with a sample of a better one. Regardless, every bass drum note sounds the same. I am sure that is the case on most of DT's work, but again, I am not totally sure. This is not a defense to Rick Booth, because I too, know of no recording of ACoS that has the I&W trigger sounds. Why is I&W triggering different than the others? Because David Prater is an idiot and triggered not only the bass drum (which is ok in my book) but he triggered the snare drum too!!!!
Here are my rules of recording drums:
1. Don't ever, ever trigger the snare drum. If you trigger a snare drum, throw away your drumset and get a Rick Allen special. (no offense to R.A.) 2. Don't ever stick the microphone: a. directly into the bass drum, unless you want a hollow sound. b. directly under the snare drum. You'll hear every rattle. 3. Make sure your heads are properly tuned. If you aren't sure how to do this, either 1. get a book or 2. find someone who knows how to do it. 4. Tune your drums in the studio, not before hand. It may cost you more $ to do this, but the chances are that something will come un-tuned before hand. 5. If your drum heads are more than 3 months old REPLACE except for the snare drum head, you can wait on the one. The best snare drum heads are the ones that are worn a little. If you can see through the head, replace. Retune when you get into the studio. 6. Never use a plastic head on a snare drum, only use ambassador heads. Use a reputatable brand. 7. Don't use Metal drumsticks for recording unless you don't plan on doing ANY rimshots. They cause a weird sound. 8. Again, DON'T EVER TRIGGER ANYTHING BUT THE BASS DRUM!!
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:15:55 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Kerrang review of London gig/music bizz in UK Message-ID: <4A256571.0079CCE4.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
>Those of you from across the Atlantic probably don't appreciate quite >how unexpected it is when DT are even mentioned in Kerrang - >despite the fact that this magazine is supposed to be THE rock / >metal mag in the UK - but to read this... well, maybe things are >changing. We can hope.
Well over the years DT have actually been given some decent coverage by Kerrang. The almost 'legendary' scribe Derek Oliver who was for many years one of the mag's more decent writer's, signed the band when he became the A & R man at Atco/Atlantic (whatever, I can't remember). I think when he left the label theat DT started to have their 'problems' with the record company ??
graham
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