YTSEJAM Digest 3384
Today's Topics:
1) Savatage's Musical Chairs
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
2) YKYADTF when...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
3) Re: YKYADTF when...
by "Brian J. Ketelsen" <bketelsen@earthlink.net>
4) You Not Me... Good DTC.
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
5) dt broadcast
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
6) Re: DT RealAudio Show Clarification
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
7) I replied before reading.....
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
8) Dan Senko/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office.
by D04NMS21/04/M/IBM <d04nms21@us.ibm.com>
9) Album definition...
by Chad Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com>
10) Drum Triggers/ACOS
by Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
11) soprano singers & Gathering stuff
by "Ivan-Assen Ivanov" <i_assen@topteam.bg>
12) Drum Triggering, Roland, Savatage
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
13) Assorted stuff, some DTC (for once)
by "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
14) fii stats
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
15) More CD boot silvers for sale!!
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
16) Myung's live playing
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3380
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:50:44 EST
From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Savatage's Musical Chairs
Message-ID: <1e819dc7.3499e106@aol.com>
Hi again -
> And oh yeah, before C. Oliva's unfortunate death, he too was only in some of
> the albums...no wait, he was in all of them, sorry. I can't keep this
> straight. Why did Caffery leave and come back? And who's on what for Wake
> of Magellan?
Yeah, I've been meaning to post something like this for a while. Does anyone
have the scoop on why Caffery left and came back, or as to why Killdrums left
the band? I don't really feel like searching the web right now for a Sava-
FAQ. ;-)
Thanks!! Oh by the way, I think that the lineup on TWoM is the same as DWD.
And... for those of you who haven't heard TWoM yet, I didn't think it could be
possible, but I think I like this album better than DWD! This album TOTALLY
KICKS ASS!!!
Peace...... Matt T.
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:26:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Subject: YKYADTF when...
Message-ID: <199712190326.WAA14073@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
(you know you're a DT fan when) your computers are named after DT
songs (or song sections)... my home machine and my Unix box at work
are both Metropolis, my laptop is Wasteland... any other DT computer
names out there...
--
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| A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater |
| will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity |
| --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! |
+------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/
Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:44:16 -0700
From: "Brian J. Ketelsen" <bketelsen@earthlink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YKYADTF when...
Message-ID: <01bd0c30$615277c0$2ebafed0@theater.mcit.com>
OH YEAH,
Home computer is called Theater
Windows NT Domain at work is called Metropolis and includes 3 members
ivorytower -- domain controller
miracle -- sql server
sleeper -- web server
It's sick, isn't it?
It wouldn't be too hard to figure out the passwords either, glad we're
behind a firewall :-)
BrianK
-----Original Message-----
]From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Date: Thursday, December 18, 1997 8:36 PM
Subject: YKYADTF when...
>
>(you know you're a DT fan when) your computers are named after DT
>songs (or song sections)... my home machine and my Unix box at work
>are both Metropolis, my laptop is Wasteland... any other DT computer
>names out there...
>
>
>--
>+------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
>| A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater |
>| will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity |
>| --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! |
>+------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
> Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
>Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/
>Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org
>
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:10:32 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You Not Me... Good DTC.
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971218231032.007af360@nh.ultranet.com>
Well, if you all were wondering when this song was going to come out? It
did. I heard it tonight on a local radio station. I was happy to hear it
only because I know that it is marketable. Now, hopefully it will sell
some albums!
Later, J
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:12:12 +0000
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: dt broadcast
Message-ID: <19971218181000.AAA24890@sni.pananet.com>
for those who dont know, it seems one has to register at
liveconcerts.com to be able to hear that broadcast this sunday.
thought some might like to know,
Ern
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 03:02:08 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT RealAudio Show Clarification
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971219025737.846B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, MTeiper wrote:
> Hey There -
>
> Can anyone clarify something for me?
>
> 15 Minutes Until Metallica Live from San Jose on the radio! WooHoo!!!
Hey, have you taped this show, Matt??
And what about the Trans Siberian Orchestra? And Metallica on SNL?
Just for your information, my classes ended (so, I have some free
time) and I'm doing noise reduction on the songs of that rare tape which
includes "Trapped Under Ice". Let's see how it will sound. :-) And do you
compiled your bootleg list? I'm very curious to know (BTW, have I replied
to your earlier e-mail when you told me you liked the idea of doing the
list?)
Do you have any DT video? Do you have ways to copy a video (VHS)?
[]s, Roger...
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Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html
"Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters"
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:07:28 -0500
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I replied before reading.....
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971219000725.0068b1d0@mail.ici.net>
>Just to vent real quick, I wish people would actually go through ALL the
>jams they've received before replying to something.
Yeah, but sometimes if you've got a stack of jams there, it's tough to make
the call sometimes on whether a topic will be beaten to death by the time
you finish the last one. Plus, if *I* was to wait until the end, I'd forget
all the nasty comments I'd wanted to make in the first place. :) Think
about the amount of work to consolidate, take notes, make notes, form witty
replies, edit anything horribly out of date, etc. etc. etc......if I wanted
to do that much work - I'd get a second job. :)
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:26:01 -0500
From: D04NMS21/04/M/IBM <d04nms21@us.ibm.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dan Senko/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office.
Message-ID: <5040200009379497000002L072*@MHS>
I am out of the office from 12/18/97, returning 01/05/98. You will receive
only this notification of my absence prior to my return, at which time I will
respond.
However, I will be checking Notes intermittently while away. If I have not
responded to you during my absence, I will respond on Monday 01-05-98.
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:28:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Chad Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Album definition...
Message-ID: <199712190528.XAA07113@telepath.com>
>>>Ok, I know this quote was made in jest but I would just like to point out
>>>to people that the big black circle things are not ALBUMS. the music that
>>>is contained thereupon is an ALBUM.
>>This is also incorrect. The term ALBUM as used in this context refers to
>>the printed sleeve, ... The music is called *music*, not album, record,
LP, etc.
>
>I'm not sure I agree with this printed sleeve theory. It's called an album
>because of the collection, not because it opens like a photo album. CDs
>are still referred to as albums, same with cassettes. They're albums
>because of the collection of songs, like the collection of pictures. Not
>because either of them look like a book, or fold out. Your definition
>above is pretty good, but in this case, the "other momentos" happen to be
>audio songs.
The reason people refer to LPs, cassetes, CD's, DAT's or any other media is
the same reason that people ask "You want a Coke?" and then toss you a
pepsi, RC, or Shasta. Say it with me now. Laziness. Not that this is a
bad thing. And there is at least some credibility to the theory that if
everyone calls something by a certain name, that name, even if incorrect,
becomes correct. Anyway, my definition is correct. Check a dictionary.
But, to be honest, it doesn't really matter. Call it what you want. :)
Chad Mitchell
Owner/GM - Oklahoma Outlaws
"Doctors get to bury their mistakes, Architects can only advise their client
to plant vines."
-Frank Lloyd Wright
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:46:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Drum Triggers/ACOS
Message-ID: <199712190546.XAA29699@shell.busprod.com>
For all of those people who flamed away when I mentioned Drum Triggers
in the same sentence as ACoS, here is an explanation.
I&W featured annoying drum triggers.
ACoS was recorded during the I&W sessions as a demo. It was not produced
by David Prater + DT like the rest of the songs--it was just a demo.
Therefore, the I&W ACoS demo will be minus the drum triggers.
Nowhere did I mention that ACoS, in any incantation, featured drum
triggers. I simply stated that i am glad that the I&W ACoS demo features
lyrics, kevmoore on keys, and no shitty trigger productions added.
Does this clear things up? I'm sorry if I offended anyone. ;-)
# "The great thing about playing for this band as opposed to other #
# bands is that these guys encourage me to actually play the keyboard, #
# not just hold down pads. #
# --Derek Sherinian--- | $%*+=) http://www.busprod.com/hellion (=+*%$ #
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:01:47 +0200
From: "Ivan-Assen Ivanov" <i_assen@topteam.bg>
To: "Ytsejam, aka the Ultimate Inbox Flooder" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: soprano singers & Gathering stuff
Message-ID: <B0000015817@new.acsior-ns.bg>
Well, actually most female singers in prog bands are like alts,
though many of them have a much broader diapasone than the
'classical' opera voices. Anneke van Giersberger of The Gathering
is a prime example - she sings both ethereally high and underworldly low.
Jon Anderson of Yes is not a soprano, technically he reminds more
of the contratenores (or the castrates of the XVI century).
About The Gathering:
Their last CD is 'Nighttime Birds', with a snowy-white cover.
I've met descriptions of their style as (fasten your belts)
'atmospheric-gothic-doom-progressive metal';
although I'm sure no two people will interpret this soup in the same way.
'Nighttime Birds' is very melodic, which complex vocals,
although the instrumental support is much simpler than in DT- or FW-style
prog metal. Basically, the music is centered around Anneke's voice.
Mandylion is much heavier, with a darker overall atmosphere.
If your definition of 'prog' is centered around DT's type of stuff
(or Yes, or Shadow Gallery, or ...) - brilliant, complex, multipart instrumental
music, then The Gathering won't sound very 'prog' for you. Rather, they are
'prog' in the sense of Marillion.
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:41:24 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Drum Triggering, Roland, Savatage
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971218214116.006ab3cc@cats.ucsc.edu>
Hm. I hadn't considered that the 1992 Live ACoS used triggers. Listening
to it again right now, it doesn't sound like it to me ...
--
Also, if yer gonna trigger drum sounds, don't use Roland's Bass & Drum
module. I've listened to it, and it's primarily designed for Rap / R&B
type drums. Far too wimpy sounding for metal use. You'd be much better
off with one of their dedicated drum modules, like the TD-5, TD-7T or, best
of all, the TD-10 with a PD-120 "V-pad" for your triggering (if it's a
snare. That way you get the dual head / rim trigger and the positional
sensing)
Um, I'm a Roland freak, what can I say? (got the full catalog in my hands
as I type this to get the model nummbers right)
--
I got into Savatage after heraring EoT on the radio, tho it was after I got
into DT. I like Zak's style, but do find him to be a bit "Generic"
sounding, as someone else said. Jon is very technically rough but highly
emotional. I don't really know who I prefer. I like em both, and will get
WoM when I can.
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu
__\/__\/__ +----
\_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my |
/__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" |
// \ | \\ ----+
\| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:24:09 PST
From: "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Assorted stuff, some DTC (for once)
Message-ID: <19971219062414.10475.qmail@hotmail.com>
Sympathies to Graham Borland for being confused with Graham Boyle.
Coltrane had an enormous influence on Wayne Shorter...who was
instrumental in developing fusion in the 70s after Miles and Tony
Williams and John McLaughlin set the genre in motion. And fusion had a
significant impact on prog. Bozzio Levin Stevens, btw, sounds a little
bit like fusion to me. BLS is incredible, IMHO. Not really songs, more
like pure improv. This record took a lot of balls to make, even though
it really is just a way for the three of em to make some extra money
(hey, they could probably use it...it's not like they're Hanson or
anything, cashing it in big time right out of kindergarten).
I was listening to Seven Wonders the other day, and fired up the WDADU
outtakes from Darkest of Winters ("Dream And Day," and "A Vision"). Man,
the latter in particular really sounds like it would fit well with the
band's new sound. It's a wonderful song to begin with (Chuckie D
actually sounds pretty good on it) and seems to me it's compatible with
the FII stuff.
Are there any mp3s up on the Net of Cover My Eyes, Where Are You Now,
You Or Me, etc.? Somebody please point me to them, if they exist....
>I am sad to announce that The Presidents of the USA, creators
>of such fine tunes as "Lump" and "Peaches", have decided to
>break up. One down...........about a few thousand to go...........
Hehehehe. Maybe Mitchell Foy's next. "...and a happy new year!!" ;)
About Liquid Tension...that's coming out in February right? Dammit
dammit dammit!! *LOL* I'm rather anxious to hear that.
>~Eckie ponders a snowball's chance in a flame war
Heh heh. What's the point of throwing snowballs at a mailing list
anyway? (Guess he just wanted to piss off Graham. No, not the nice one.)
>The day you can whip through some real jazz tunes (Not Autumn
>Leaves) at 200BPM+ is the day I will bow before you. Go home and
>practice!
*LMFAO!!* Can we get out Ornette's "Free Jazz," and have him play the
opening few "measures"? *shakes his head* That shit is crazy. Just heard
it for the first time about a month ago. I wanted to crawl under
something and hide. (Btw, welcome back Chris!)
>I just read some moronic article by some completely racist,
>homophobic, Dennis Leary wannabe on the fitshaced web page.
I thought it was pretty hilarious actually....for the first few MEGS of
space anyway. Jeez, that thing was long. No, seriously, it was funny for
a while and the guy just went postal and just ended up being juvenile
and deliberately offensive instead of being witty.
I hate to sound like an idiot but I usually do anyway so here
goes...I've been playing drums for six years now and I still have no
idea what triggers do...all I know is that they fucked up the sound of
MP's snare on I&W and that's why the drags he does on LTL sound so loud
and even instead of being light and soft. Anyway, if someone could
explain the newfangled technology to me (I'm mostly self-taught) by
private e-mail I'd appreciate it lots.
Interesting thought: a friend of mine who isn't a DT fan (he's got
rather eclectic tastes...the only stuff he doesn't listen to is country,
the wacked-out prog I listen to, and contemporary jazz/classical) but
kinda likes them really digs FII.....in fact, he's borrowing it right
now. (Doh.) Anyway, his girlfriend kinda digs it too...keep in mind that
his girlfriend has, um, interesting musical tastes....(for Halloween she
ran around with some of her residents as the Spice Girls...) I mean, she
doesn't go for the balls'n'chunk stuff like JLMB, BMS, and parts of NM,
but she really likes HY and AL, for example...Not that any of this is
significant in the least *LOL!!* but such are the glories of an
unmoderated list.
Sig-less of the jam, unite!! ;)
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:30:12 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: fii stats
Message-ID: <01IRC951J454002O4L@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
I'm in DOS, so no cut 'n' paste...
To the guy who repsonded to my query about how many new jammers there are,
your post operates under the assumption that FII is a sellout album. Unless
I miss my mark, you compared it to TBA and Empire, and that's why we should
be *worried* if there's any new subscribers. Do I understand your point?
I don't think it's fair to second guess new listeners like that. It doesn't
even seem like the most commercial track has gotten a whole lot of airplay,
so people new to DT must be attracted some other way. What's more, if
they're joining the jam, chances are they like more than just one song.
They would have had to go out of their way and investigate, surf on the web,
and eventually come across us. And most people don't do that just for bands
they like, they do it for bands they LOVE. There's a lot of bands I like,
and only one who's listserv I subscribe to. So, I think it's a safe
assumption that anyone who went to that much effort, probably knows about
the band and got a few earlier albums and such.
So there. :)
josh
rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:23:27 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More CD boot silvers for sale!!
Message-ID: <349A20EF.31ED@goodnet.com>
Boy, I guess it just never ends, eh??
More boot CD original silvers for sale. Here they are. Thanks to those
of you who bought Caught in Amsterdam and Perfect Dreams and the first
Acoustic Dreams already. Another AD is available below, and I need two
more CIA because more people want it, so if you have a CIA, I will trade
you even across for the Fix for 96 below.
Avaliable:
Dream theater LIVE (official promo disc) 2 tracks - $25
Dream Theater Fix for 96 - 2 discs - $60
Dream Theater Stranger than Fiction -single - $30
Dream Theater Acoustic Dreams (high number) - $75
Rush Cygnus - STILL FACTORY SEALED!! Mint! - $75
Tori Amos Little Rarities - $25
Live Public Affection/Death of a Dictionary (boot) - $25
Also, Queensryche "Visions of Another Time" discs are and have been
shipping all week, so expect the first dozen or two to hit soon.
--
- Mike Bahr / Prism Records
- durnik @ goodnet . com
- http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:33:13 -0600
From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Myung's live playing
Message-ID: <349A2339.5DBD@auburn.net>
Bill Richard wrote...
> Thanks to all who have seen DT on this tour and shared with the list. I
> haven't had a chance to see DT live yet..
>
> IMHO the fretless bass playing on FII is killer, I was wondering if JM
> plays a fretless at all in concert?
Yes, he plays his fretless on the new songs live. He does a really good
job, but there were a couple of places where he messed up in Atlanta. It
wasn't that he lost it on a difficult passage, it seemed like he was
trying a new voicing for the first time and didn't like it. On the other
hand, when the others came back on stage after MP's solo in Ytse Jam,
Myung was carrying his Stick. And, to my amazement, he played the fast
runs on the Stick. That was -- surreal.
Was it just me, or did Derek screw up the beginning of Hollow Years?
Mark Peters
swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:02:08 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3380
Message-ID: <199712190802.AA25749@crl.crl.com>
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: sigs
>
> Al B wrote:
> > I propose the only long sigs, over 6 lines long should be the
> > Ivory Gate of Dreams sig (when appropriate) or the infamous
> > middle finger sig (also when extremely appropriate).
>
> It is really amusing when someone, who can't get their own act in gear,
> tells other people how they should act...
Rahh! I forget who I had the bet with, but I just won $5! :)
On a more serious note, could we PLEASE, pretty-please with sugar on
top, just auto-unsubscribe any idjit who posts a snowball-fight
message?
Eric D. (Desobe, I think) wrote:
>
> For those of you who have not heard the Liquid Tension Project be prepared to
> blown away. From what I heard at the Atlanta show, it is amazing and it
> should start some interesting debates about what DT would have sounded like if
> Jordan had joined instead of Derek. Anyway, take the time.
Yes indeed! Great stuff! It's due out in March, if I remember Portnoy's
report correctly. BTW, if you ARE Eric Desobe, where'd you end up
at the show (in the front? You were near us in the mad scramble :))
and where'd ya go afterward? Everyone who wandered down the side
aisle toward backstage eventually got autographs, but of course we
didn't know that........
> Eric
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Congrats on your EOJ. :)
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| And here beneath this star tonight I lie.... "Surrounded") |
+- Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com www.crl.com/~vanyel ICQ 4151223 +
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