YTSEJAM Digest 3383
Today's Topics:
1) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Need Opinions on these bands
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
2) The Loneliest Monk
by Einstein H Zappa <afn39111@afn.org>
3) Fates gets positive press in Arizona
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
4) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Need Opinions on these bands
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
5) If yer gonna be a nit-picker ...
by Chad Donovan Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com>
6) Missing Jams and a little bitchin'...
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
7) What? What? Ah, fuck it all.
by someone@prognosis.com
8) Albums
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
9) Stats, re: member count
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
10) Farley dead at 33. NDTC
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
11) Re: Atlanta Show
by "ProMark707" <ProMark707@DigiScape.com>
12) various artists formerly known as prince
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
13) xmas cd
by "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
14) Re: HY Lyrics
by T Tubbiola <TTubbiola@aol.com>
15) Re: Drum triggers...in general.
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
16) Does JM play any fretless bass live?
by Bill Richard <wjralad@tlxnet.net>
17) DT RealAudio Show Clarification
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:32:59 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Need Opinions on these bands
Message-ID: <4A256571.007B1800.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
>AVALON - Not too bad, metal with a bit of prog, singer can be
annoying at times, I need to listen to 'Mystic Pieces' some more
though to give a proper opinion.
>RHAPSODY - Without doubt these guys are amazing, brilliant
symphonic/speed/power metal, a la Angra/Stratovarius.
>VANDEN PLAS - 'The God Thing' is great, much more pwerfull
and progressive that 'Colour Temple' though I love that album too.
>ELEGY - I only have 'State Of Mind', powerful metal with a 'touch'
of prog, great guitar playing.
>ROYAL HUNT - These guys really surprised me with 'Paradox' after
hearing a lot of negative comments on them, has a hint of 'christianity'
in the lyrics, music is great, especially the keyboards.
graham
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:22:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Einstein H Zappa <afn39111@afn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Loneliest Monk
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.971218161858.42001A-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
Speaking of Thelonius Monk, anyone know a good album to start with? I've
heard a greatest hits of his that wasn't too great--mainly his "Monk" CD and
that period--but I love some of his standards that others have
played--especially "Tinkle Trinkle" and other very syncopated, dissonant
stuff.
[ There has only been one thing in my life worth living for,
[ So it would take a true genius to fuck it up.
[ Call me Einstein Hawkings Tolkien Heraclitus Darwin PKD Zappa.
[ (http://www.afn.org/~afn39111)
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:21:15 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates gets positive press in Arizona
Message-ID: <349993CB.539@goodnet.com>
Hi all.
Got this morning's East Valley Tribune, and there are a few blurbs and
a photo of Fates Warning in prep for their Sunday appearance at the
Mason Jar. I will be there, DAT in hand, with a CD on my mind. :)
My only question is whether $50 will be enough to get the soundboard guy
to let me plug in, or if I'll have to go mics.
Any locals that are going to be there, let me know and also let me know
what CDs I still owe you (so I don't have to spend 2 hours lookin stuff
up) and I will bring them to you in person and thus save on postal
expense. :)
-- - Mike Bahr / Prism Records - durnik @ goodnet . com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/------------------------------
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:24:17 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Need Opinions on these bands Message-ID: <4A256571.007EC3FF.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Oops I forgot to mention in my last post some of the other great CD's in the Empire Ent. catalogue. ELDRITCH - 'Seeds Of Rage' & 'Headquake' Both great CD's show some potential for the band to progress up the ladder.
graham
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:13:40 -0600 (CST) From: Chad Donovan Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: If yer gonna be a nit-picker ... Message-ID: <199712182213.QAA14394@telepath.com>
..then get your facts straight.
>Ok, I know this quote was made in jest but I would just like to point out >to people that the big black circle things are not ALBUMS. the music that >is contained thereupon is an ALBUM. An album is a collection. People >have photo albums, right? Are they on a big black piece of waxy vinyl? I >think not.
This is also incorrect. The term ALBUM as used in this context refers to the printed sleeve, which often contains artwork, pictures, notes, etc, and sometimes even folds open in the middle, just like, you guessed it: a photo album. An album is a book, used to contain a collection of images or other mementos. The music is called *music*, not album, record, LP, etc.
Chad Mitchell "Doctors get to bury their mistakes...Architects can only advise their clients to plant vines." -- Frank Lloyd Wright
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:11:08 -0500 From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Missing Jams and a little bitchin'... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971218171108.007c04d0@mindspring.com>
Hey all...
Sorry to post this, but I thought with the amazing amount of fluff in the past few jams a few lines of stupidity from me wouldn't be minded too much. <g> I seem to be missing Jams 3379 and 3381. Did anyone else miss these? And how, pray tell, can I request them from Majordomo? Yes, I know, I should have saved the letter that came with my 'Jam subscription 3 years, 2 houses, 5 computers, and 2 email programs ago. :)
<BITCH> Just to vent real quick, I wish people would actually go through ALL the jams they've received before replying to something. We get SO many people replying to a post that came out 3-4 Jams ago and asking questions that have already been answered and are in their inbox in the newest digests - if they'd just take the time to look. There's really no need for 10 different people to ask Rick Audet what he meant by "What triggers?" People, read ALL the Jams you've got and THEN, if your question/comment hasn't been addressed, reply. This isn't even in the realm of "Netiquitte" - it's more in the domain of that ever-elusive (for many on this list) "common sense" thang... Jeezum Peetes... </BITCH>
Alright, I'm done... :) Take care all...
--- Adam Pye alpineone@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone ^^ Above URL for tapelist w/ setlists... ---
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:34:40 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: What? What? Ah, fuck it all. Message-ID: <199712182228.OAA28922@odin.ax.com>
I just read some moronic article by some completely racist, homophobic, Dennis Leary wannabe on the fitshaced web page. Someone here posted the URL. The article was so completely contradictory and worthless, I want to know who the fuck posted the URL, and why. I want my 5 minutes back, you punk ass! :)
> From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
> Rick Booth, what the hell are you talking about, in your comment above? I > know of exactly ZERO (0) recordings of ACOS that contain drum triggers, and
Hold it there Ace-of-Bass! Are you saying that MP does not, and did not at the time of the early version of ACOS (Only available live, as I understand it... the version that shreds way more than the studio EP, with the Yngwie rip off in the middle) use snare drum triggers live? Hmmm... I think you're probably wrong. It's my understanding that most drummers who play loud music play with triggers live. If I read the post correctly, it was referring to the early version of ACOS, and not the studio release you're referring to. Further, just because you don't hear the machine gun sound on the other studio albums after I&W doesn't mean they're not there. You can trigger any kind of sound... if you like Dave Weckl's snare sound more than your own, you can link up to the Roland Bass and Drums module, and it will sound like you're playing his snare. Triggers can be sensitive to different pressures... it doesn't always have to sound like the I&W Attack-Snare. I'm kind of curious as to why yall are jumping down someone's throat for making a statement that you feel was in error... why get your panties in a bunch over something so small and unimportant?
Chris Ptacek GET ME OFF THIS GOD DAMN MAILING LIST! "Focus On The Candy!"
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:28:45 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Albums Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971218172845.00ce4160@sol.eng.fore.com>
>>Ok, I know this quote was made in jest but I would just like to point out >>to people that the big black circle things are not ALBUMS. the music that >>is contained thereupon is an ALBUM. An album is a collection. People >>have photo albums, right? Are they on a big black piece of waxy vinyl? I >>think not. > >This is also incorrect. The term ALBUM as used in this context refers to >the printed sleeve, which often contains artwork, pictures, notes, etc, and >sometimes even folds open in the middle, just like, you guessed it: a photo >album. An album is a book, used to contain a collection of images or other >mementos. The music is called *music*, not album, record, LP, etc.
I'm not sure I agree with this printed sleeve theory. It's called an album because of the collection, not because it opens like a photo album. CDs are still referred to as albums, same with cassettes. They're albums because of the collection of songs, like the collection of pictures. Not because either of them look like a book, or fold out. Your definition above is pretty good, but in this case, the "other momentos" happen to be audio songs.
KAI
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:47:11 -0800 From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stats, re: member count Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971218144711.006a6b18@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:50:16 -0500 (EST) >From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU >Subject: member count > >I dunno if it's on Itchy's page, or whatever, so I'm just going to ask: Can >we find out how many new subscribers there have been, since FII was released? >I'm curious to see if the fanbase has grown at all, because if it has, I would >assume the jam would grow as well. I just took stats, so I like this sort >of stuff now. :) > >josh
Stats! Don't get me started! They're misused and misinterpreted 95% of the time! ;-)
Anyway, you need to know WHY people joined the jam. Not just how many. I joined the jam because they (DT) were on tour. If anything, FII's release might make me unsubscribe. (Yes, I'm in that "dissappointed" camp.)
<Start Rant Stat>
Being a long time fan of Metallica and Queensryche, it killed me to see the sales "stats" and how they were interpreted by the record companies, the media, and maybe the bands. Both TBA and Empire sold huge numbers immeadiatly upon release. Followed by statements such as "this is obviously a great new release and direction"! Give me a f**king break! Huge sales immeadiately upon release are the result of PREVIOUS work by the bands. Then they may bring in a few, new fickle fans (or sales) based on one of the "new, accessible songs" (ala Silent Lucidity).
But the band has lost half of their die-hard fans, and the people who bought based on songs like SL don't buy again, because the ONLY song they liked was SL.
<End Rant Stat>
Ok, so TBA did bring a lot of new fans to Metallica. And I'm sure it increased the sales of previous albums (AJFA, RTL, MOP). I know quite a few people who started with TBA, and worked their way back. But when they bought Load, they said "what is this s**t!". I don't know anyone who bought Reload (yeah, I know, some of you out there did, and you like it...).
BH
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:08:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Farley dead at 33. NDTC Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971218180415.29866A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
Man, I'm bummed. Chris Farley, an illustrious actor, and an icon of all of the drunk college students of our generation died today. I think I'm going to sit around, drink beer, and watch Black Sheep and Tommy Boy all weekend. Bummer, dude
-jeremy
+=====================================================================+ Every man, you see, is born beneath the sword Damocles, For young and old are all alive on that next beat on which we ride, And that beat is such a fragile thing, in both old men and youthful king, And that beat stands all alone, you see, between us and black eternity, And until that time, when death won't wait, let each man rage against, his fate.-- Savatage _The Wake of Magellan_ +=====================================================================+ Jeremy Hallum Grad Student, Astronomy, Boston University jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:10:00 -0600 From: "ProMark707" <ProMark707@DigiScape.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Atlanta Show Message-ID: <01bd0c0a$10ccb7a0$8770d9cd@default>
First of all, the 5 hr Drive SUCKED, but it was worth it, I'm not gonna get into any kind of review, Paul "Pellaz" Cashman is doing a fine job. The show ROCKED, Big Wreck was pretty cool if you dig Bluesy Rock with touches of Grunge and Country, interesting mix that they did one hell of a job bringing together. They sounded just like the CD, so they get a big WELL DONE. DT kicked ass, James was on, Mike fooled around (sped up the tempo on purpose before John M.'s solo in YtseJam), Mike's solo was too short, John P. shredded, John M. was cool as ice as usual (even when the tech forgot to turn on his wireless on one of his basses). Derek is better heard than seen IMOHO! He acted like a Heavy Metal Paul Shaeffer (SP?) but he played as well as everyone else.
One note, It seemed that he was a little (just a little) envious of the response that everyone was getting (he didn't much after his solo's). Well, I guess I lied I did do a review after all.
By the Way, Paul, I took off an headed home got outside Atlanta before crashin' at a hotel. You guys kick ass, (you know who you are).
Curtis "StickS" Toler ProMark707@DigiScape.com http://www.DigiScape.com/perspgs/272/sticks.htm Mr. Slate's Web Site: http://www.DigiScape.com/perspgs/272/default.htm
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:00:23 +0000 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: various artists formerly known as prince Message-ID: <19971218135805.AAA19598@sni.pananet.com>
>Does somebody know where I can find Tabs of Symphony X ? :)
Ha! Like anybody's insane enough to transcribe Romeo's solos? Oh wait, there's that puh-tachek guy ;)
>I wish you all - especially the good guys such >as Rogerio, RTK Bahr, Dman and Dr.M - a merry
Good guys? Why do i feel like I'm in a western all of a sudden?
>Attempts at deep sarcasm by some of our US friends are really quite >un-necessary and really rather pathetic examples of this most subtle >of arts. Comments like "shove it up your ass" and "you mean you >didn't know how
I'd go back and check the addresses. There's no reason to only blame the 'US friends' for that. There are assholes all over the world.
>We were discussing the topic 'name' a while ago. >Many Marillion fans apparently named their daughters Kayleegh (or >so?). I was just wondering if there's a similar tendency among >DT-fans? Probably neither Anna Lee, Vanessa, Eve?
Well, if ever did name my daughter with something DT-related, i'd name her after that girl in the I&W cover...just in case it'll make her that cute.
>Al B wrote: >> I propose the only long sigs, over 6 lines long should be the > > >It is really amusing when someone, who can't get their own act in >gear, tells other people how they should act... > > Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
uh-oh
>I would be surprised if MP didn't trigger on any of the other >albums. I am pretty damn sure that he used them on Awake, but only >on the bass drum. 99% of bands that use double bass today use >triggers on the bass drum. The
I'm no authority on the subject, but had the impression that only happened with music that uses a lot of fast double bass, like death metal, or lousy drummers. Maybe there's some triggering on Awake, but, the fast double bass doesnt happen as often, and its usually low in the mix, so i dont see any reason for it. And i heavily doubt there were any triggers on FII.
>triggers live? Hmmm... I think you're probably wrong. It's my >understanding that most drummers who play loud music play with >triggers live. If I read the post correctly, it was referring to Are you sure about that? Maybe in the 80's when everybody wanted that big Bonham sound, but a mic should be enough. I dont think Mike uses any triggers live...
this bitch/whine/rant/flame-free post brought to you by, Ernesto
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:14:06 PST From: "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: xmas cd Message-ID: <19971219001406.18685.qmail@hotmail.com>
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but does anyone know the absolute latest one can send their money in to get the xmas cd? jason
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:25:40 EST From: T Tubbiola <TTubbiola@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: HY Lyrics Message-ID: <6c4a1972.3499bf06@aol.com>
In a message dated 12/18/97 3:29:16 PM, you wrote:
>trevor wrote: > ><<In the chorus of Hollow Years, after James sings "Bury me in the sand", Mike >sings something like "up to the waves" or "into the waves" or something waves. >Does anyone know what the lyric is?>> > >i hear "into the waves" >whether thats whats being sung, i dont know, thats just what it sounds like to >me >one of my favorite parts of the song btw > >and if i see that damn snowball one more time......... > >~melissa~ >madsag@aol.com
I always hear "up to the waist" for what it's worth.
Tom (A longtime lurker from the arastar days. . .)
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:44:01 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Drum triggers...in general. Message-ID: <199712190144.RAA09910@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Jeremy Kube said: > >I would be surprised if MP didn't trigger on any of the other albums. I am >pretty damn sure that he used them on Awake, but only on the bass drum. >99% of bands that use double bass today use triggers on the bass drum. The
Actually, they use a mic'ing technique where they mic both ends of the bass drum, not triggered. That way, they get a wider mix of the bass drum.
>reason for this is that as a drummer your left foot tends to be less >conditioned than your right, causing uneven drum hits. That is what >triggering does, it clears up the uneven hits OR if you have a really
Wrong... they use compressors to compress the bass drum track during mix-down. Not to mention a sonic enhancer like the BBE will even out all the bass tracks...
>1. Don't ever, ever trigger the snare drum. If you trigger a snare drum, >throw away your drumset and get a Rick Allen special. (no offense to R.A.)
Depends, you might be playing R&B, or techno with a real triggered drumset, nothing wrong there...
>2. Don't ever stick the microphone: > a. directly into the bass drum, unless you want a hollow sound.
Depends on the type of mic you are using, and how much insulation you have inside the bass drum.
You are making wide generalizations without knowing anything about studio drum recordings...
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:13:19 From: Bill Richard <wjralad@tlxnet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Does JM play any fretless bass live? Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19971218201319.24f72b82@mail.tlxnet.net>
Thanks to all who have seen DT on this tour and shared with the list. I haven't had a chance to see DT live yet..
IMHO the fretless bass playing on FII is killer, I was wondering if JM plays a fretless at all in concert?
Bill
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:45:16 EST From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT RealAudio Show Clarification Message-ID: <f6e80671.3499dfc4@aol.com>
Hey There -
Can anyone clarify something for me?
I looked up the date of the DT House Of Blues gig in LA, and it's listed as November 11. But, wasn't the RA broadcast of the show near the very end of November sometime? I forgot the exact date, but I thought it was after Thanksgiving. I was under the impression that it was broadcast as it was performed. What's the deal? Did they broadcast the show later after it was recorded on the 11th? If anyone can confirm the actual show date, that would be cool. Thanks...
- Matt T.
15 Minutes Until Metallica Live from San Jose on the radio! WooHoo!!!
Bummer 'bout Chris Farley... he was funny as hell. :-(
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