YTSEJAM Digest 3387
Today's Topics:
1) new music (Was: Spank me...)
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
2) DT BAD? My thoughts..
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
3) RUSH (NDTC)
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
4) NDTC: "Titanic"
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
5) Reply to Ken's thoughts
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
6) snowballs
by Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
7) Primus
by Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
8) Re-Hash
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
9) Re: chapman stick
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
10) DT & the poor state of prog/metal radio airplay
by "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" <Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com>
11) DT in Ft. Lauderdale
by Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
12) opinion from the genesis mailing list
by Daniel Nobles <dan_elly@yahoo.com>
13) FII voted one of 97's best
by LZZG49A@prodigy.com (HOME CHRIS S DEVINE)
14) War! War!
by "Ivan-Assen Ivanov" <i_assen@topteam.bg>
15) John von Neumann
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
16) Fates in Phoenix (12/21)
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
17) Nov 12th DT PICS!!!!!!!! From the Fire
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:10:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: new music (Was: Spank me...)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971219215125.1517B-100000@parka.winternet.com>
]From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
> Bought some CDs:
> Hollow Years Single! Woo hoo! [...] The Way It Used To Be ==
> To Live Forever part II in my book, at least musically.
But does it have awesome harmonies?
And You Know You're A Programmer When... you use two equal signs when
you type mathematical stuff. :)
> Lastly but not Leastly, I finally got My Dying Bride: The Angel and the
> Dark River. Ooh, cool and creepy. Good addition to my "Music for a bad
> mood" collection. ;)
Death metal without the Cookie Monster vox! I love this album. I saw one
other album by these guys once; are their other albums comparable?
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I got a (sorta) new one too... Merry christmas from me to me, I guess.
Marillion's "This Strange Engine" finally made it to Minnesota. On two
listens, I'd mark it as the 6th best of their 10 studio albums. (Brave/
Clutching/Misplaced/Script/Season's End/B'Sides/TSE/AoSunlight/Fugazi/
Holidays, in order). It reminds me of Renaissance, with the keys and
bass taking the lead role, and Rothery's guitar doing rhythmy stuff...
The bass sound at 6:01-6:05 of Man of 1k Faces is _exactly_ what
Renaissance sounds like... but what's with using "Layla"'s chord
progression at the beginning?
--Jay "is a Marillion completist again" Omega
--NP: Marillion: This Strange Engine
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:28:17 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT BAD? My thoughts..
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971220002817.007b2210@nh.ultranet.com>
In response to the dickhead on the Genesis list. It's quite obvious that
you didn't open your mind and listen to all the intricate parts that DT
puts together.
This is why I listen to DT. I get in all in one crispy clean package. I get:
Progressive
Metal
Mood music
Good quality lyrics (most of the time)
Different intricate parts.
Quality fame deserving musicians!
etc, etc, etc...!!
When some jerk says this I get angry... BUT, I have respect for people who
say "I saw DT and, they just weren't my thing" But, when someone just
closes their mind because they heard metal, well, I get a little fried. Oh
well, you can open other peoples minds, but you can't force feed an
asshole! Later, J
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:34:52 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RUSH (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971220003452.007b3840@nh.ultranet.com>
Neil, as I'm sure you know, is still grieving the loss of his daughter. I
think Al and Ged (and maybe Neil) might be going in to work on a live album
next month, but I'm not sure anyone (even the band) knows if/when another
studio album is due.
Yes, but I heard through the grapevine that this live album is already
complete. Rush is taking a "leave of absense" from the music scene for a
short while to sort out their lives, Neil; to grieve the loss. Geddy, to
be with his family and the same for Alex. I also heard a live video is in
the works. I am not positive about this but this live video may be the
first one since A Show Of Hands.. which was on the old label. But, again,
I'm not sure that this info is correct: For the latest info go to :
http://syrinx.umd.edu/rush (this is the National Midnight Star webpage,
you can also join the mailing list there) Later, J
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:52:20 EST
From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC: "Titanic"
Message-ID: <826e04eb.349b6b26@aol.com>
Hey Friends -
Sorry 'bout the NDTC, but I feel absolutely compelled to write this. If you
have ANY doubts about seeing "Titanic"..... GET RID OF THEM NOW! I just got
back a couple of hours ago from seeing it, and I can honestly say that it is
one the absolute best movies I have ever seen, period. My God.... it was
AWESOME.
I have never, in all my years of movie watching, seen a movie that combines
such breathtaking special effects and such heart-wrenching emotion and
substance. Believe the hype, folks, "Titanic" is the real deal.
Still reeling from the "cine-gasm"...... Matt T.
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:02:54 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Reply to Ken's thoughts
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971220000249.006e4c68@cats.ucsc.edu>
In Ken's dream world, where DT were guaranteed big sales no matter what
they put out, I absolutely believe that FII would have come out exactly as
it did. The writing is what the band wants to write, and the selection
made for a good album, with the right mix of long and short songs. I think
DT made the album they wanted to make musically, and that's good enough for
me.
Also, imagine in such a world. People would still be complaining and
calling their favorite bands "sellout" -- just because people have a desire
to complain and whine and bitch and moan when things change, and they
always say that it's the fault of the thing that changed. ("it's not as
good anymore")
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu
__\/__\/__ +----
\_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my |
/__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" |
// \ | \\ ----+
\| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:45:12 +0900
From: Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: snowballs
Message-ID: <1329478984-49389561@smtp.taunet.net.au>
>>And don't throw any snowballs, there are jammers from Australia and Brazil on
>>the Jam ;-))...
We get snow in Australia.....just not much and not where I live.:-(
However snowballs do suck!!!
(Speaking of Australia v Brazil - the Socceroos didi a great job to 0-0 draw
with the in the Confederation Cup!! Too bad Iran drew with us to get into
the World Cup - drat!
Cheers
Paul D.
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:52:15 +0900
From: Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Primus
Message-ID: <1329478561-49415017@smtp.taunet.net.au>
>>BTW, talking about "Master of Puppets", have you people seen
>>Primus covering this song on Woodstock'94? I don't even know this band,
>>just that they did this cover. Any opinions?
Primus are great if you like Bass. A bit wierd and not something you listen
to because it sounds good!! Just cool! I believe the Master of Puppets
thing was a joke.....heh heh. From what I heard Les Claypool (Bass
player/Lead Vocals in Primus) auditioned for Metallica in the "old days" and
was rejected because he played slap bass (and boy can he play!!!) Also you
might be interested to know that Larry LaLonde (Guitarist from Primus) was
in a certain kickass Heavy Metal band in the 80's - Possessed. I can't
however reccomend any Primus albums because none of them any good really.
see em Live!! (Hmm - they are in "Bill & Teds Bogus Journey" as one of the
talent quest bands - Wild Stallions beat em though because God Gave
Rock'n'Roll to you!!)
Cheers
Paul D.
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:22:37 -0500
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re-Hash
Message-ID: <199712201416.JAA17566@kira.ici.net>
>Imagine, if you will, a universe where DT's cds would sell
>1,000,000 copies regardless of what styles were put forth on them;
>that is to say, they had a guaranteed sale of a mil, no +/-
>either way. Now that you have this parallel universe in your
>mind's eye, ask yourself whether the new DT cd would have included
>such commercial overtures such as "Burning My Soul," "You Not Me,"
>and "Anna Lee" or B-Side filler such as "Just Let Me Breathe" on it or not.
You know, it gets a little tiresome hearing people use the word "commercial"
as meaning "a band I like playing music I *don't* like". If the record
company pressured DT into released what you consider to be substandard
music, then I'd have to say, from a "commercial" standpoint, the experiment
was an unmitigated disaster. Three months after the release of FII, they
have virtually no public recognition, no platinum album sales, and no radio
airplay (to speak of). You would call that a commercial success? Why would
the record company put all the effort into the recording, and then none into
promotion? Look around - all the bands that are *targeted* for commercial
success get the full ride. Otherwise, it's like flushing money down the drain.
"Burning My Soul" commercial? Not even in *this* universe. JLMB is B-side
filler? Maybe to your ears. I make no bones about the fact that I consider
FII to be DT's best album to date. If you don't like it, that's fine. I know
a lot of people that don't. But a record company that thinks they have a
huge potential commercial success on their hands doesn't need a kick in the
ass from the fan base before they let that band start recording (remember
that?). I'll regard Desmond Child's presence on YNM as a potential reach for
some mainstream acceptance, but that's it. Until I hear otherwise from the
band themselves, then the rest of the music on FII is exactly what *they*
wanted to record.
>Rehashed flames will be ignored.
Well, if you're going to post on a rehashed topic and start a rehashed
thread, you have to expect some rehashed flames. (Want some rehashed flames
on your burrito?) :)
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________
E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net)
IRC: DDictator
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
NP: Dream Theater - "Falling Into Infinity"
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:38:00 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: chapman stick
Message-ID: <v01520d00b0c142714c93@[207.90.120.57]>
>BTW, can you people tell me exactly (I mean time, CD position)
>when Myung is playing the Stick on "New Millennium"?
i think the whole song. he also uses it on another song (i can't
remember), but i think it was used on the entire song (at least it was in
concert)...
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com
Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!?
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
---+ +---
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:01:59 -0600
From: "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" <Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT & the poor state of prog/metal radio airplay
Message-ID: <199712201817.NAA02875@thomas.ge.com>
I've come out of lurking to post an observation about the poor state of
prog/metal radio airplay. On my local metal radio station (KRZR103.7),
I'm hearing 'The Oaf' by Big Wreck (or as one DJ Froodian slipped 'The
Big Oaf') quite often, whereas I've heard BMS just a few times, and YNM
just once. Any Y'Jammer who has been to a show on the present/recent
tour will tell you how pissed the main (rather conceited) dude for BW
was when we J'Yammers scream for DT to take the stage. (The BW dude
ain't no slacker on his axe, but he ain't anywhere near JP).
Remember the real reason for Christmas, and have a good one...
Don't drink & drive; remember what happened to the late 'tage axeman,
Criss Oliva...
-Randall
email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com
**"...there's a message we miss, sometimes when, the spirits left alone,
we must believe in something..." from 'Lines in the Sand' by Dream
Theater**
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:46:56 +0000
From: Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT in Ft. Lauderdale
Message-ID: <19971220194651.AAB23347@LOCALNAME>
This show will go down in DT history. It was amazing and easily the best of
the four DT shows I've seen this tour. DT was in top shape. MP had his
family at the show.
The club was packed with starved and rabid DT fans. It also was a sweatshop
inside the club. Even DT was bothered by the heat. The setlist was the
usual. They opened up with Line in the Sand and played the normal songs,
including Scarred. But because of the heat, MP needed a rest. So JP decided
to do a solo jazzy, classical piece. I have no idea what it was. DS and JP
also took some extended solos too.
Other highlights were: JM waving to the crowd and moving. He even smiled a
few times. JL was spitting water back at MP. He is not as good as a spitter
as MP, but it looked like he was happy to get revenge at MP. The fasten your
seatbelts version of Ytsejam. During MP's drum solo, another drummer came
out (someone told me he was in Iron Maiden, I'm not sure) and soloed with MP
on his kit.
This concert was so awesome that I did not mind that Nightmare Cinema did
not show up. All you Bostonites know how I wanted to see Nightmare Cinema
and how I was pissed that The Roxy made them cut it out of the set.
Thanks DT and keep up the good scheduling. I live in Miami and go to school
in Boston. I flew down yesterday for winter break, just in time to see 'da
Boyz in Ft. Laud.
Isaac
"It sounds diminished ... but it's not."- John Petrucci
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:33:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel Nobles <dan_elly@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: opinion from the genesis mailing list
Message-ID: <19971220203335.14750.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>
Hey:
Just thou9ght everyone would like to see this. This came from the
genesis mailing list called Paperlate. What a schmuck.
Justdan
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:55:53 -0500
]From: Tom Oastler <toaster@mindspring.com>
Subject: Dream Theater is terrible! (No G content!)
Ok, perhaps the subject line doesn't go far enough. They suck! At
least
in my opinion. Here in Atlanta the Masquerade (a club) was almost
packed
with fans, although to my knowledge DT has never been here before.
Well, never have so many apparently come so far for so little. I
couldn't
believe it. Suffice it to say that if you don't like head-banging
metal,
my
friend said it sounded like "death metal", you won't like Dream Theater.
I can't figure out why some told me they were progressive metal. No
way!
Their songs I could have written, and I am not even a musician. Most of
the
time you could not even hear the keyboardist, not that it mattered
because
from what I heard he sounded like a no-talent hack! The lead singer
sounded
like a bad Geddy Lee, if you can imagine that horror. The lead
guitarist
seemed to be playing the same chord over and over, just in different
rhythm.
Basically classic metal.
It was finally the singer's yelping blackboard-scratching "voice" that
eventually
drove me and my friend out the door. It was the first show I have ever
walked
out on. Clearly, my worst concert experience. And I thought Jackson
Browne
was bad in the late 80's! Unbelievably, they were able to charge $18 at
the door.
To quote Dan Ackroyd of SNL, "Amazingly BAD theater!!!!"
Thank goodness I have a real band to see in January! Thanks Zoltan!
Keep Them Mowing Blades Sharp!
Tom Oastler
Atlanta, GA
==
blue pain fades to a point where it doesn't fade.......
it stays........ blue............
Marillion
This strange Engine
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:00:31, -0500
From: LZZG49A@prodigy.com (HOME CHRIS S DEVINE)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII voted one of 97's best
Message-ID: <199712202100.QAA18412@mime2.prodigy.com>
In the Jan. issue of Circus magizine FII was voted as being one
of the best releases of 97. I believe it was more of the magizines
opinion rather than fan support, however.
In any event,it was a nice surprise to see it listed as well as
reading the very flattering review. Things like "awsome musicianship",
"a perfect combination of metal and melody" and"DT has it all" ect.
I can almost guarantee that more people will see this "positive"
press towards FII than that ignorant button pusher from Atlanta. Lets
hope that they all take heed to it as well.
If MP happens to be scanning the jam at the moment I'd just like
to say congrats. I don't mean to sound condesending at all, but I
when I see something like that in a magizine of this nature, {typical
mainsteam} I consider it an achievement in itself.
Anyway, I'll see you guys on Long Island Jan.4, and anyone else
that may be lucky ticket holders as well.
To the members of DT and to all on the jam, I wish you all the
very best this holiday season. It's hard some years, but lets all try
to make it a good one folks.
And to all those whos thoughts this holiday are with loved ones
passed, I hear you. Take care and God bless.
Chris
Chris
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:30:38 +0200
From: "Ivan-Assen Ivanov" <i_assen@topteam.bg>
To: "Ytsejam, aka the Ultimate Inbox Flooder" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: War! War!
Message-ID: <B0000016112@new.acsior-ns.bg>
>Well, this hack of a man who think he knows all about music better wake
>up. Genesis's last album sounded like something puked up by some aging
>old farts. Tony Banks lost his touch on playing, there are only a few
>interesting passages from him. Mike Rutherford is totally uninteresting,
>and this new drummer, when not sounding like a drum machine is trying so
>badly to be phil collins in his hay day. Their singer? God, I just can't
>take it. I am a genesis fan, but if any band deserves to get hosed, it's
>them. DT is far above their game, and Genesis just is trying to stay
>afloat.
Well, I suggest Our List declares war on Their List :-) Make the bastards
pay tribute or something! Spam their list with MP3s of The Ytsejam!
Maybe the guy with the snowballs could help with arming us :)
Seriously, maybe the Genesis guy was 'Genesis' like in "Invisible Touch, Yeah!",
not 'Genesis' like in "Firth of Fifth". I mean, you need to have certain wrinkles on your brain
to grasp the metal type of music, it just stops just inside your ears if
you're not used to it. I don't think somebody who never ever tried to actually
pay attention to a metal song, beginning till end, however 'open-minded' or
'musically educated' be he, say, a classically trained musician, can
appreciate 'Metropolis' or Shadow Gallery's 'Cliffhanger'.
Probably most of you in the same way can't take the full 50+ minutes of
Edge Of Sanity's "Crimson", because death metal takes another degree
of training the ear.
Simply put, I believe there is no such thing as 'great music'. It has to
be YOUR type of 'great music' for you to appreciate it.
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:50:25 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: John von Neumann
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971220204457.9868A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Hi.
A very quick note, to let you think about it.
Once, John von Neumann, the father of the computer as we know it
(probably you used your computers for a long time to post to the 'jam and
didn't even know who was the inventor of the architectures we use --- he
was one of the most produtive mathematicians of our century), said
something along these lines: "Dear man, in Mathematics, you don't learn
things. You get used to them."
Think about it when people say that they prefer other things to
our Dream Theater. Music is a matter of getting used to also. Respect
other people's opinions.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:54:12 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: azconcerts@coollist.com, ytsejam@ax.com, Subject: Fates in Phoenix (12/21) Message-ID: <349C5AA4.CC6726AA@goodnet.com>
Anyone going to Fates tomorrow night in Phoenix, I'll be cruising up there in the early afternoon, drop me a note if you want to meet somewhere before the show (I'll probably go to Hooters in the Arizona center at about 6pm-ish to grab a burger)... if not, I'll catch ya at the show, I'll definately be hanging out afterwards (I'll be the guy with the long blonde hair wearing the long sleeve black Fates shirt from the first leg of the tour)...
Later, -- ~Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> <ICQ # 2070538> Home Page / AZ Concerts Mailing List - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw Dream Theater "Unofficial" Song Book - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/dt ~Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit~
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:57:57 -0800 From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Nov 12th DT PICS!!!!!!!! From the Fire Message-ID: <349C6995.2755@pacbell.net>
Okay folks.....thanks to much help from Lisa Marie Petersen my page is up and there are pics from the DT show on Nov 12th.
Check it out at http://www.audiophile.com/Coldfire
Go to the Ytse-pals page....and Hey! Let me know what ya think of them...sign in on my guest book!
Merry Christmas from Coldfire and the Lego Princess!!!!
Hugs and Kisses!
-- Hearts away.......
Coldfire coldfire@pacbell.net ICQ: 4656934 http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/haight/25
"And all this could be just a dream so it seems, I was never much good at good-bye."
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