YTSEJAM Digest 3386
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Chapman Stick
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
2) Re: DT REAL AUDIO
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
3) away messages
by nelson evan andrew <enelson@ews.uiuc.edu>
4) Re: Chapman Stick
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
5) Take a look at this
by "George Szumski" <gsrockr@stratos.net>
6) Fwd: Dream Theater is terrible! (No G content!)
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
7) a _REAL_ DT weekend...
by "Michael J. Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET>
8) Re: Fwd: Dream Theater is terrible! (No G content!)
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
9) Re: Primus
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET>
10) free bootlegs
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
11) sigh
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3385
by Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
13) Gotta plug the Web page!
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
14) Two more things..
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
15) Spank Me, I've been a bad Monkey
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
16) Re: Fwd: Dream Theater is terrible! (No G content!)
by Damon Fibraio <damon@injersey.com>
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:45:04 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Chapman Stick
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971219184310.5760A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Ville Rassi wrote:
> Hey.
>
> >Myung was carrying his Stick. And, to my amazement, he played the fast
>
> Could anyone tell me what this famous "stick" looks like?Does it look
> like a regular bass, or what?
It's like a bass, but it has 12 strings and it doesn't have a
"body". It is all fret. You can see some pictures of it at
<http://www.stick.com>.
BTW, can you people tell me exactly (I mean time, CD position)
when Myung is playing the Stick on "New Millennium"?
Thank you very much for the information, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:49:21 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT REAL AUDIO Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971219184542.5760B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Jeremy Kube wrote:
> Can someone explain to me what this is. I apologize but I had to > unsubscribe for a few days, and I think that I missed the post related to > this subject. If you know, please, drop me a line.... Thanks... J
I'm replying to the 'jam, because more people may be interested in this information:
There will be a DT show broadcast by <http://www.liveconcerts.com> on Dec 21st, 1997. You have to register (don't know how, yet) with them and also have Real Player installed in your computer. You can get Real Player from RealAudio's site, <http://www.realaudio.com>.
Hope this helps, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:27:20 -0600 (CST) From: nelson evan andrew <enelson@ews.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: away messages Message-ID: <199712192127.PAA25347@eesn7.ews.uiuc.edu>
If there isn't already, there should be a rule that if someone has an "away" message, they should either unsubscribe from the Jam while they are away or take off the message. Last thing we need here is more crap..
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:28:54 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Chapman Stick Message-ID: <199712192128.QAA09446@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> BTW, can you people tell me exactly (I mean time, CD position) > when Myung is playing the Stick on "New Millennium"?
Judging by the live performance, the whole track has Stick work on it. -d
P.S. The FII studio log is about 99% done. Check it out at http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/FII-log.html
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:49:35 -0500 From: "George Szumski" <gsrockr@stratos.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Take a look at this Message-ID: <01bd0cc7$ff9dd180$9d9951d1@gsrockr.stratos.net>
Maybe we can get East/West to send them some of the singles. It'd be nice to hear DT on the internet. Maybe some of the obtuse "alternative" persons will get into DT. Open up their minds abit, perhaps.... Who knows?
If you have any comments on this, feel free to e-mail me at gsrockr@stratos.net and we'll talk. Till next time, G.
-----Original Message----- ]From: Program Director <radio@discjockey.com> To: gsrockr@stratos.net <gsrockr@stratos.net> Date: Friday, December 19, 1997 4:29 PM Subject: Dream Theater
>George: > > We do not currently have Dream Theater in our collection. If you can have >them send us a copy of their album, we will put it into our forthcoming >Indie CD genre. > >THX > >Norman Hawley >General Manager > >DiscJockey.Com >63 Jefferson Ave. >Salem, MA 01970 >
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:31:36 PST From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fwd: Dream Theater is terrible! (No G content!) Message-ID: <19971219223136.6603.qmail@hotmail.com>
Can you believe someone on the Genesis mailing list said this about our beloved Dream Theater?
>Ok, perhaps the subject line doesn't go far enough. They suck! At least >in my opinion. Here in Atlanta the Masquerade (a club) was almost packed >with fans, although to my knowledge DT has never been here before. >Well, never have so many apparently come so far for so little. I couldn't >believe it. Suffice it to say that if you don't like head-banging metal, my >friend said it sounded like "death metal", you won't like Dream Theater. > >I can't figure out why some told me they were progressive metal. No way! >Their songs I could have written, and I am not even a musician. Most of the >time you could not even hear the keyboardist, not that it mattered because >from what I heard he sounded like a no-talent hack! The lead singer sounded >like a bad Geddy Lee, if you can imagine that horror. The lead guitarist >seemed to be playing the same chord over and over, just in different rhythm. >Basically classic metal. > >It was finally the singer's yelping blackboard-scratching "voice" that >eventually >drove me and my friend out the door. It was the first show I have ever >walked >out on. Clearly, my worst concert experience. And I thought Jackson Browne >was bad in the late 80's! Unbelievably, they were able to charge $18 at >the door. > >To quote Dan Ackroyd of SNL, "Amazingly BAD theater!!!!" > >Thank goodness I have a real band to see in January! Thanks Zoltan!
Is there anything about the FII(which I haven't received yet, but hope to Tuesday when I open my Xmas presents) or about their recent concerts that would give any weight to these statements? I find it hard to believe that this is at all true about the five gentlemen we have come to know and love.
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:47:37 -0500 From: "Michael J. Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET> To: "'Lifting Shadows Off A Ytse'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: a _REAL_ DT weekend... Message-ID: <01BD0CA6.32AD13F0@EMERSON>
belhai wrote:
I got to have a "Dream Theater weekend" so to speak where me and some friends saw them in NJ and then in NY the next night.=20
not to ruffle your feathers or anything, but i think i did ya one = better, friend... :o)
i did the NJ and NY thing (both shows were __AWESOME!!__, btw...), but = also, i started my vacation in Northern VA the next day, and i got to = see OFB at the Capitol Ballroom in Washington, DC (and if i had _really_ = tried, i probably could've seen them the following night at Jaxx in = Springfield, VA, but i decided against it...)
take it easy, all...
mikE ____________________________________________________________
"If the future's looking dark, we're the ones who have to shine / If there's no one in control, we're the ones who draw the line / Though we live in trying times, we're the ones who have to try / Though we know that time has wings, we're the ones who have to fly..."
Rush -- "Everyday Glory", _Counterparts_
"Evil Villains, stand down from the funk." - Space Ghost
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:07:16 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Dream Theater is terrible! (No G content!) Message-ID: <199712192307.SAA03050@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > Can you believe someone on the Genesis mailing list said this about our > beloved Dream Theater? > > >Ok, perhaps the subject line doesn't go far enough. They suck! At > least > >in my opinion. Here in Atlanta the Masquerade (a club) was almost > packed > >with fans, although to my knowledge DT has never been here before. > >Well, never have so many apparently come so far for so little. I > couldn't > >believe it. Suffice it to say that if you don't like head-banging > metal, my > >friend said it sounded like "death metal", you won't like Dream > Theater. > > > >I can't figure out why some told me they were progressive metal. No > way! > >Their songs I could have written, and I am not even a musician. Most > of the > >time you could not even hear the keyboardist, not that it mattered > because > >from what I heard he sounded like a no-talent hack! The lead singer > sounded > >like a bad Geddy Lee, if you can imagine that horror. The lead > guitarist > >seemed to be playing the same chord over and over, just in different > rhythm. > >Basically classic metal.
Too bad he didn't wait to see Dream Theater actually play....
-Al
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:09:52 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Primus Message-ID: <199712192308.RAA24917@Walden.MO.NET>
> BTW, talking about "Master of Puppets", have you people seen > Primus covering this song on Woodstock'94? I don't even know this band, > just that they did this cover. Any opinions? Yeah, got it on video. They only did the intro, though. Friggin' hilarious. Les Claypool played the main rhythm part on bass. It was done in fun :).
Dale R. Newberry "Evil Villains, stand down from the funk." - Space Ghost "The collective archetype is gettin' down." -Jim Morrison
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:19:59 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: free bootlegs Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971219181959.009f77e0@sol.eng.fore.com>
I had a trade from eons ago turn sour, and I've had these 3 tapes sitting in my office ready to be shipped out for many, many months. So today I opened up the box to see what was in it (I couldn't remember which boots I had taped), and I decided that instead of trying to set up another trade, I'd just give the tapes away. I'll even ship them.
Here's what's on the tapes:
Tape 1: Ronnie Scotts Jazz Club show - complete show, not sure of the quality because I have 2 versions, and I'm not sure which one I used for this dub.
Tape 2: Vocalist Auditions John Hendricks: Don't Look Past Me, TLF Steve Stone: TLF, Metropolis John Arch: Killing Hand, DLPM, AFIL, The Apparition (FW) Chris Cintron: DLPM, ACOS James LaBrie: TLF (acoustic), LtL, TTT (cuts off)
Tape 3: 1989 Demos Wanted DOA, M:I, OHolyNight, Carry that Weight/Golden Slumbers, DLPM, TLF, Afterlife (TBrown remix), Afterlife-KH-Met-ACOS (all inst), Guitar solo, Status Seeker (TBrown remix)
I'm not sure if I'm going to give them all to one person, or split them up. The person/people who get these must be a newbie trader (which means you are trying to start a collection in order to trade). I'm trying to promote trading on this list, since there's been a lot of bitching about the work/time involved. If you're ambitious about trading, I'm here to help.
First 3 replies I get on this will be considered (provided you meet the above requirement). I'll reply and let you know if there were 3 winners, or only 1 big one. I won't reply until Monday. Have a good weekend.
Merry Christmas, KAI
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:26:21 -0500 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: sigh Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971219232621.006bfd2c@pop.pipeline.com>
Imagine, if you will, a universe where DT's cds would sell 1,000,000 copies regardless of what styles were put forth on them; that is to say, they had a guaranteed sale of a mil, no +/- either way. Now that you have this parallel universe in your mind's eye, ask yourself whether the new DT cd would have included such commercial overtures such as "Burning My Soul," "You Not Me," and "Anna Lee" or B-Side filler such as "Just Let Me Breathe" on it or not. In a pure compositional world such as that, I have to believe that those songs wouldn't have made it. I will give "Take Away My Pain" the benefit of the doubt due to emotional considerations to the loss. I wish I lived in a world where a band didn't have to bow to label pressure (real or imagined) and to the need to harvest from the green fields of cash. Imagine a DT cd without the above songs, and do you think anyone would ever dream of employing the word sell-out in the same breath as DT? I think not. This has been a presentation of Kevin Madden's opinions. You can like 'em, or you can lump 'em. For the record, I like DT, and envy their talents and abilities, but sometimes I wish they were on an indie label so I could enjoy them more. Rehashed flames will be ignored.
Oh yeah, to those sad about Chris Farley's death, remember that you never see obese elderly people. Just a thought.
CD of the Day: Digital Ruin - Listen
Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat - Detroit Red Wings 12-3 19-9-7 vs Buffalo vs NJ Devils
Kevin
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:56:30 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3385 Message-ID: <199712192356.RAA15352@shell.busprod.com>
> Hi! > > Choon-Kang: > > Naming a child Anna Lee or Vanessa... don't you think this could be a bit > strange if you know what the lyrics are about?
ROFL... You have to be a twisted fan to do that. Or even worse, name your child Moon-Unit or Dweezil. :) :)
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:14:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gotta plug the Web page! Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.971219190555.30259A-100000@DT3.DT.UH.EDU>
OK, after completely losing the Help DT Get Airplay page while updating it, I had to re-code part of it, and it is now back in working order. But the thing I noticed is that I only have 13 hits on it. (And probably 5 of those are mine.) Does anyone still care about campaigning to get more airplay for OFB? I know for a fact that requests for music have a DIRECT impact on where the band plays. So if they didn't come to your area on this leg of the tour, keep requesting them on your local station, start promoting them, and maybe you will be rewarded.
The page in question is at http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039/radio.html
Ville Rassi asked about what the Chapman stick looks like. If you want to see it, go to another of my pages: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039/fenix.html and click on the link that says, "Myung playing the strange-looking Chapman Stick during New Millennium."
Sorry for the shameless plug, but I really thought it was necessary. :)
-Nicole/Kirby
Nicole Stachowicz McWatters : Assistant Editor of Dateline Kirby on irc.dreamt.org : a student publication of the Undergrad Professional Writing Major : University of Houston-Downtown stachowic_n@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu -or- ytsekirby@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039
"And of all the nights throughout the year/ That come and gently leave None hold the dream of magic/ Like the evening, Christmas Eve" -liner notes, "Christmas Eve and Other Stories" by Trans-Siberian Orchestra
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:22:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Two more things.. Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.971219191730.30296A-100000@DT3.DT.UH.EDU>
I forgot to mention that I'd really like more input as to more information about listed stations with question marks, new radio stations that might play DT, etc. I'm also willing to branch out into different countries now that I have some time off. :)
Thing #2: Ken, my loving and adorable husband, left me last night to go to the Fates Warning concert in Houston. He said it was really good and that he had a good time. He says hi to John and Tony, in case they're reading. :) And several people commented on his FII shirt, so he got to tell the story about going to Seattle. :) Oh, yeah, he came back to me, too. ;)
That's it... I promise! -Nicole/Kirby http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039 [.sig deleted for those ppl who hate long .sigs!]
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:23:17 -0800 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Spank Me, I've been a bad Monkey Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971219182306.006e1a24@cats.ucsc.edu>
Bought some CDs:
Hollow Years Single! Woo hoo! Blockbuster's computer doesn't even show this as existing, but CD warehouse had one in stock. They also had Majestic Harmonies, if anyones interested. Haven't bothered to listen to either version of the title track yet (Radio Edit? Feh. ALbum version? Heard it on the album!) Like some things better about You Or Me vs You Not Me, like some things better the other way around. The Way It Used To Be == To Live Forever part II in my book, at least musically.
I was so Happy that they had HY, that I also bought Yes: Open Your Eyes and KTA pt. II. Haven't fully listened to Open... yet, but like the first few tracks, then it gets a bit mellow after that. :( Haven't even opened KTA2.
Lastly but not Leastly, I finally got My Dying Bride: The Angel and the Dark River. Ooh, cool and creepy. Good addition to my "Music for a bad mood" collection. ;)
Misheard Lyrics, old and new: You know, the first time I tried to decipher the "Oh, that this too too solid flesh would melt" I heard something along the lines of: "... torso, leg foot ..." where it is really "too solid flesh" ANd, speaking of Dancing Turtles, anybody else hear "It's all about you, not me. It's all about the things the tortoise said for me to be." and how about "Heaving the Lemming, the pressure keeps on burning my soul!" Or maybe it's "squeezing the lemon" no wait, Didn't Led Zepplin already do that?
I think that's enough for now ... __ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | /__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:01:49 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@injersey.com> To: Eric LaRue <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Fwd: Dream Theater is terrible! (No G content!) Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.971219225846.7216B-100000@nj5.injersey.com>
Well, this hack of a man who think he knows all about music better wake up. Genesis's last album sounded like something puked up by some aging old farts. Tony Banks lost his touch on playing, there are only a few interesting passages from him. Mike Rutherford is totally uninteresting, and this new drummer, when not sounding like a drum machine is trying so badly to be phil collins in his hay day. Their singer? God, I just can't take it. I am a genesis fan, but if any band deserves to get hosed, it's them. DT is far above their game, and Genesis just is trying to stay afloat. I happen to like a few ideas from Calling all Stations, but never pull the album out of its case./ I am upset, offended, and disappointed in Genesis's direction. And this fucker tries to assault DT? maybe he left during Big Wreck's set. maybe that's what he was thinking. Derek, a no talent hakc? Fuck him. He's probably a pop genesis fan. BTW, YNM was on 95.1 WZZO tonight, WZZO is an alan town station, which is strange for me since I live in central jersey and pull the station in fine.
-- Damon Fibraio - (keyboardist, vocalist, college radio nightmare) eMail: <damon@injersey.com> "Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends we're so glad you could attend. Come inside, come inside." --Emerson Lake and Palmer
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