YTSEJAM Digest 3389
Today's Topics:
1) Computers named after DT
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
2) Re: Live at the Marquee
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
3) re: commercial
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
4) Top 5 of 97
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
5) Birch Hell show?
by Jason Hartman <lhartm1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU>
6) Road trip to Jaxx, anybody?
by "Brian P. Kelley" <bpkelley@mindspring.com>
7) radio...good?
by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
8) Songs to press skip on
by Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
9) re: Primus
by AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
10) Replies
by mitchellfoy@45150.com (Mitchell Foy)
11) DT webcast
by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mats_Rydstr=F6m?=" <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
12) Re: Vintage Vinyl
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET>
13) FOR JASON BREITWEG
by David Plotkin <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu>
14) les calypool quote
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
15) FS: QR "HitNF" & Thought Industry "SfI" (NDTC)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
16) Question DTC
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
17) Be promotional and multiply :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
18) Michael Harris Project Home Page
by "Colonel Mustard" <cmustard@netdot.com>
19) Derek or Jordan?
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:41:46 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Computers named after DT
Message-ID: <01BD0E6A.007A9E00@Borg.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Michael Burstin wrote :
> (you know you're a DT fan when) your computers are named after DT
> songs (or song sections)... my home machine and my Unix box at work
> are both Metropolis, my laptop is Wasteland... any other DT computer
> names out there...
Sorry... Marillion names for me :-)
At home :
C: Marillion
D: Script (For A Jester's Tear)
E: Fugazi
At work :
C: Marillion
Mark - http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:04:10 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Live at the Marquee
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971221210309.492A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 21 Dec 1997, Joe DeAngelo wrote:
> I was checking out the DT stuff at massmusic, and found 2 versions of
> LATM. One is about $1 more expensive, and is an English import. They
> don't really have any info on this one. The other is German, and it
> says it has six songs Metropolis, A Fortune in Lies, Surrounded, Bombay
> Vindaloo, Another Hand - The Killing Hand, and PMU.
>
> Is there any difference? Which should I get?
No, there's no difference. Mine is the English one and the
contents are exactly the same (judging by the name of the songs).
Hope this helps, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:46:53 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: commercial Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971221184635.0068d118@mail.ici.net>
>That is not my definition of "commercial." I consider things to be commercial >when they are meant to appeal to a mass audience by lowering the common >denominator.
Okay, fine; but *why*? Why is the music targeted that way? To make money. A "commercial" enterprise of *any* kind has the goal of making money. You make the most money by appealing to the most consumers.
>Simplified, catchy choruses (chori?). Music calculated to generate sales by appealing to the >unwashed masses.
To generate sales=to make money. Otherwise, I'd just call it "pop" music.
>Since this experiment was an "unmitigated disaster," I would be willing >to bet the band turns to its more progressive side on the next album, with >no more "Anna Lee" or "You Not Me" to be heard.
I'd be just as willing to bet that there *will* be an "Anna Lee" on the next album, just like there was a "Silent Man" on Awake. I've heard members of the band numerous times extolling the virtues of putting a "variety" of music on their albums. Rockers, mellow tunes, prog material, and yes - "pop" tunes. I don't see a *drastic* departure on FII, and I wouldn't be too quick to predict one in the future.
>"JLMB" is not going to be relevant in five years. It barely is now. Its lyrical >references are already dated. When one refers to temporary pop phenomena, it is >ultimately dated.
"The nineties bring new questions / new solutions to be found / I fell in love to be let down"
I heard the same complaint about that line in LTL way back when. But yet, years later, that song is still one of most fans' favorites.
Basically, you believe the band was pressured to alter the material to appeal more to the masses. On YNM, I might agree with you. But other than that, neither of us can prove it conclusively one way or the other. Truce? :) _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ E-Mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374 ______________________________________________________ It's not hard to meet expenses, they're everywhere.
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:38:26 -0500 From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Top 5 of 97 Message-ID: <199712220037.TAA28840@mailnfs0.tiac.net>
Mike,
1. Fates Warning- A Pleasant Shade of Gray (even though you hate it!) 2. Spock's Beard - Beware of Darkness 3. Savatage- The Wake of Magellan 4. Dream Theater- FII 5. Marillion- This Strange Engine
Worst CD of 1997:
Hear in the crap frontier! :)
Keep on rockin ytse-brutha.
Adam
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:40:27 -0500 From: Jason Hartman <lhartm1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Birch Hell show? Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971221204027.006b25d0@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
Can anyone tell me if there is a show scheduled for Birch Hell in NJ?
Thanks!
Jason Hartman
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:10:09 -0500 From: "Brian P. Kelley" <bpkelley@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Road trip to Jaxx, anybody? Message-ID: <199712220205.VAA02577@brickbat8.mindspring.com>
Hey --
I was looking into gathering some fellow Atlanta YtseJammers for a possible trip to the DT Jaxx show January 3. (Btw, Cashman, Jan. 3 IS on a Saturday so you won't have to worry about calling in sick :) I could do the driving unless somebody had a bigger ride than my Honda, which does fit four comfortably! How about the YtseVan huh? ;)
I am definitely willing to go as long as a few other Atlantans are as well. (I don't want to trip solo!) If you know that you are sure and confident into going to Jaxx, please e-mail me privately. I can go ahead and charge the tickets and you all can pay me back before the trip. This is the closest DT will be until Summer '98 and I can't wait that long!!!! And tickets will be gone soon I'm sure, so we must act fast!
So if you're SERIOUS into taking this journey up to VA, let me know. After that, then we can start on Step #2: Finding a place to crash! :) But let's get this 1st step goin', alright?!
Hope to hear from ya soon... Brian
PS If anybody, I mean anybody have any photos from past DT shows (preferably this tour's), e-mail me too. I can spin some tapes for your time. As long as they are in JPG or TIF formats, I can import them fine on Photoshop. I'm still thinking of the shots that "could have been" from the Atlanta show -- damn Masquerade security!!! Next time, I'll stand back several feet back further from the stage.
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:48:32 -0500 (EST) From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: radio...good? Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.971221214459.675292378C-100000@drew.edu>
Holy shit!
As me and my family get into the car to see Titanice today, what do I hear on the radio on 98 Rock in Baltimore but "you not me." I was so shocked as I don't get to hear too much DT on the radio. What do I hear after this song?
Tom Sawyer.
Fucking amazing or what!! Up until now, the only DJ I've ever heard play my two favorite bands right next to each other was me at my school radio station.
Brandon
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:59:59 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Songs to press skip on Message-ID: <199712220259.UAA14570@shell.busprod.com>
I've seen a lot of messages on the jam about "commerciality" and pressing the skip button, etc. I must add my .2 cents... I think it really comes down to personal taste, subjectivity. For instance, the guy who said that JLBM won't be relevant in a few years: you made an interesting point, however, unless prog music changes, and the record industry (business) changes, JLBM will be entirely relevant. To me, the song paints a picture--it shows how many, many great bands with lots of fans are suffocated when it comes to MTV and Radio play because they don't fit the current popular trend...and trends do change...but the record industry doesn't. The MTV/Radio moguls will continue to spin songs that are trendy and ignore other bands who pursue an artistic direction that is doesn't fit the current tred.
As for the songs I absolutely like:
NM, PS, BMS, HK, LITS, TAMP, JLB, TOT
Songs i always skip:
YNM, HY, AL
I like the music somewhat on YNM; At least half-assed. The repetive chorus ruins the song and I could ask for a little bit more musical eloboration. Perhaps I would enjoy the Your Or Me demo better... At any rate, this song is the worst on the album IMO, followed by AL, then HY.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...
# "The great thing about playing for this band as opposed to other # # bands is that these guys encourage me to actually play the keyboard, # # not just hold down pads. # # --Derek Sherinian--- | $%*+=) http://www.busprod.com/hellion (=+*%$ #
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:26:48 EST From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Primus Message-ID: <5087bdb8.349dddfa@aol.com>
<<<<if anyone wants to get a dose of primus...pick up "Suck On This"...not only is Les an incredible bassist, but the old drummer, who played on suck on this, is incredible,>>>>>Mike
And another note, the first song on "Suck On This" starts off with YYZ,
Art
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:16:03 -0500 From: mitchellfoy@45150.com (Mitchell Foy) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Replies Message-ID: <v01530501b0c3951d3fa0@[209.50.100.125]>
>>That is not my definition of "commercial." I consider things to be commercial >>when they are meant to appeal to a mass audience by lowering the common >>enominator. Simplified, catchy choruses
Catchy choruses make a song commercial? I thought so too before I heard some power metal bands a few certain power metal bands <Rhapsody, G-Ray, and Awake era DT to name a couple> These catchy choruses are what make these my favorites... 100 miles from being commercial. Actually, what I've heard on the radio is exactly the opposite. I haven't heard a catchy chorus (though I've heard a bunch of poor ones) on the radio in 5 years.
-Jeff Keifling http://45150.com/music
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 05:22:43 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mats_Rydstr=F6m?=" <d94-mry@nada.kth.se> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT webcast Message-ID: <01bd0e91$3f60d7c0$4c25ed82@default>
The live web-concert thingie just ended, and I'm exhausted.
For us unfortunate non-americans it was great to hear the boys in full motion, although the sound quality over a modem line is rather horrible, including Nightmare Cinema!!! and lots of fooling around + all the great songs. Mike's a great Bono-impersonator BTW...
Does anyone know if it will be rebroadcast or available for some sort of download? I'm thinking about getting on a faster connection, doing a tape copy of it.
/Mats
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:29:46 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Vintage Vinyl Message-ID: <199712220429.WAA25401@Walden.MO.NET>
> What's up fellow DT fans. I keep hearing talk about the Hollow > Years single. Well, to all who need it and are living in the New Jersey > area, go to Vintage Vinyl ( Garden State Pkwy Exit 130). There's a ton > of copies (I've got mine), and if they're gone, they will order it out > for you. Damn, too bad it's not like the Vintage Vinyl nearby in St. Louis, although I did find 'tage's EoT and Marillion's Afraid of Sunlight in the $5 section :). I also got a cool CD by some jazz trio covering Hendrix :).
Dale R. Newberry "Evil Villains, stand down from the funk." - Space Ghost "The collective archetype is gettin' down." -Jim Morrison
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 02:00:05 -0500 From: David Plotkin <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FOR JASON BREITWEG Message-ID: <v03007802b0c3bfdab76c@[144.92.209.117]>
Sorry to post this message to the jam, but it's imperitive that I get in touch with Jason, and unfortunately I've lost his email address.
Jason--
Your tapes are complete, however somehow (again) I've misplaced your mailing address in Maine. Please email them to me ASAFP and I'll send along the T-Shirt and Tapes. Sorry (again) for this mishap.
All the best...
Dave Plotkin
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 00:58:01 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: les calypool quote Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-971222085801Z-1027@ms.Kallback.com>
Since we're on a little Primus thread, and this is similar to JP's famous "sandwich" quote. > > >"In the early days all I hoped was to make a living out of what I did best. > But, since there's no real market for masturbation I had to fall back on >my bass playing abilities." > -Les Claypool of Primus >
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:40:01 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FS: QR "HitNF" & Thought Industry "SfI" (NDTC) Message-ID: <v01520d00b0c3d5bdb049@[207.90.120.172]>
I have the following two CDs that I'm selling:
Queensryche "Hear in the Now Frontier" Thought Industry "Songs for Insects"
$10 each, or $18 for both. Postage _included_.
email: dantemm@erinet.com if interested.
Thanks for the bandwidth, Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!? http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:25:16 -0500 From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Question DTC Message-ID: <349E865C.4E15F190@caribe.net>
Is JP using any of the colored JPMS? Seems like in every pic I see, he is using the b/w guitar... and since the 3rd(i think) version of the JPM is b/w well I quickly dismissed my first thoughts that the pics were of the 7 string on the awake ppv....
--
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:02:07 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: Just Let Me Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Be promotional and multiply :) Message-ID: <349E80EF.52BF@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Sully:
> Why would the record company put all the effort into the recording, > and then none into promotion?
Exactly. Nothing anywhere on the live gigs in town either. This isn't rocket science. It staggers the imagination what type of mindset is involved here. For one possible explanation, see below :)
> I'll regard Desmond Child's presence on YNM as a potential reach for > some mainstream acceptance, but that's it.
Yeah, and then they decide to air BMS instead?(Not that there's anything wrong with BMS) What kinds of chemicals are the promotional people on? Interestingly enough, I have heard that YNM was played on one of the local stations recently. So I guess the chemical is of the barbituate class :)
I'd give JLMB a shot, and let the big machines take care of the rest :) It's got the balls 'n chunk early enough in the tune, that the newbie listener might go "hmmmm..., whatz dis shtuff?"
Kevin:
> "JLMB" is not going to be relevant in five years. It barely is now. > Its lyrical references are already dated.
Good thing time is subjective and ultimately what is irrelavent, 'cuz I'll still be listening to it. It's one of my favorite tunes on FII. When you go beyond the face value of the lyrics into the underlying theme, it is as old as rock itself! That big stage up the sky must be getting awfully crowded by now :| It's actually quite relevant as heroin use is on the rise once again, not only in the music industry.
Problem is no one is hearing the message 'cuz of the what Pat and others have already indicated...can't hear what isn't making much of a sound :|
Regards,
Jon
*------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
"The Apollo Guidance Computer was primitive by any modern comparison having but 72 kilobytes of ROM and 4 kilobytes of RAM"
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:23:23 -0600 From: "Colonel Mustard" <cmustard@netdot.com> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Michael Harris Project Home Page Message-ID: <01bd0ef5$ecc2aec0$LocalHost@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
Writing in from my father's account here at home. Michael Harris now has a home page dedicated to his band projects - be sure to check upcoming show dates!
http://home.att.net/~rwholly/mhppage.html
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:27:47 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek or Jordan? Message-ID: <85256575.005A239A.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
Eric,
>For those of you who have not heard the Liquid Tension Project be prepared to >blown away. From what I heard at the Atlanta show, it is amazing and it >should start some interesting debates about what DT would have sounded like if >Jordan had joined instead of Derek. Anyway, take the time.
Let the debate begin. I was at that show, and I did hear the LTE stuff, and I must say, WHY WHY WHY didn't you join DT Jordan. I loved what I have heard, and I will be the fist person on line to buy LTE when it comes out. inspired by the other musicians (Levin and Rudess).
Charlie
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