YTSEJAM Digest 3391
Today's Topics:
1) Keys
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
2) Tampa show
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
3) Re: Marillion advice
by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
4) FII, moods etc..
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
5) Songs are not dated / Fans / Rantings...
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
6) Commercial Chorus Lines; on sale!
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
7) Computer down
by Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com>
8) Commercial
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
9) Yet another Killer post!
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
10) Recording
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3389
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
12) Re: LATM
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
13) Re: Songs are not dated / Fans / Rantings...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
14) Fw: HOLIDAY PRESENT LIVE EVENT!!!!
by "George Szumski" <gsrockr@stratos.net>
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:50:43 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Keys
Message-ID: <85256575.00769B26.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
James,
>>Let the debate begin. I was at that show, and I did hear the LTE stuff,
>>and I must say, WHY WHY WHY didn't you join DT Jordan. I loved what I
have
>> heard, and I will be the fist person on line to buy LTE when it comes
out.
>>inspired by the other musicians (Levin and Rudess).
> I think Jordan wasn't into the extensive touring. He has a family and
>great day-job so I think it would've conflicted with that so he opted to
>go with Dixie Dregs. We need to ask him though to really know.
I also love the Dregs, so I guess everything worked out alright.
> Unfortunately, poor Derek has to be compared to Kevin and
>now Jordan . Kind of reminds me of how Steve Young has had to
>follow up to Joe Montana for the 49ers. :)
Derek is a great keyboardist, but I really wish Kevin Morre never left the
band. I will not go on, because I know this thread has been brought up a
million times.
> The great thing for us fans is even though Kevin/Jordan left, we now
>can get 3X more music. Kevin, Jordan, and Derek on separate
>.CDs.
I like the way you think. Have yo heard the Chromakey stuff yet, and is it
any good?
Charlie
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:53:48 -0500 (EST)
From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tampa show
Message-ID: <199712222153.QAA31146@camel8.mindspring.com>
Hey,
The Tampa show was great. I didn't meet anybody off the list, only John
Gilbert (jg) off IRC. Sean Malone was there too of course.
The show was very good and the house was packed. They played flawlessly and
the sound was great after a couple songs, in the beginning we couldn't hear
the guitar at all.
Funny thing though, was that the sound was MUCH better at the isles of the
Masquerade than in the center. I think the reason is that the center part is
about 4 feet lower than the isles, and the speakers were set high. So at
this lower part of the club, where most people were, the sound was bassy and
muddy and there wasn't too much top end.
Of course, I just noticed that because I walk back and forth during shows,
trying to see where it sounds best :-) I usually start up front and then go
back and all over the place (never back up front though, I never like the
way things sound too close to the stage).
Well, they didn't do the Nightmare Cinema thing, even though the club was
packed, it was a pretty small club (I think we had about 1000 people in
there), and I heard they just do it at big venues. During the break at
Metropolis, they did the Fasten your Seatbelts thing and a few other jams,
including Black Sabbath's Iron Man, with Mike just banging those drums like
a madman :-) And I don't remember all those fills in the original version ;)
All in all, a very good show. James was very good, and for sheer talent and
musicianship, it was as good as the Angra shows I've seen - only I like
Matos' voice live better than James. But that's probably just me.
Rock on.
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"Kill her. That's all you have to do."
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:08:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: bpkelley@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Marillion advice
Message-ID: <199712222208.RAA05905@clipper.hq.tis.com>
>
>Could anybody give me any info on which Marillion CDs to start off with?
>What are their best ones and is their style somewhat similar to DT? I hear
>Marillion mentioned on the Jam alot and I am eager to hear more of their
>music. The only one I distinctly remember is "Kaylee" [sp?] from the
>mid-80s. Reminded me a little of Simple Minds. I guess back then their
>music didn't hook me, and it definitely didn't sound "progressive". I'm
>sure their styles change from album to album though.
>
Hi,
I would recommend either Marillion's "Misplaced Childhood" or
"Clutching at Straws" as good places to start. They're my two favorite
Marillion albums. The song "Kayleigh" is off of "Misplaced Childhood"
and is probably the most accessible song on there. Both of those
albums have themes running throughout and they build a powerful
atmosphere (IMHO).
Marillion does *not* sound like Dream Theater so don't expect
that -- they're not as heavy and don't have the same style. But, I
would still consider them progressive because their music (and lyrics)
are well thought out and have a lot of subtle interplay. They sound
more like Peter Gabriel-era Genesis or perhaps some mid-period Pink
Floyd in style (without copying either).
I do highly recommend them, but if you're looking for prog-metal
then they're probably not what you're looking for.
Good luck!
Steve
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:22:19 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII, moods etc..
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971222172219.0079c320@nh.ultranet.com>
I don't know about you guys but sometimes I feel like skipping certain
tracks, and other times I like to listen to all of them.
The ones I never skip:
Peruvian Skies
Hollow Years
Burning My Soul
Just Let Me Breathe
Trial Of Tears
The Ones I sometimes Skip:
NM
TAMP
Hell's Kitchen
Anna Lee
The One I always Skip:
YNM
It might be just because of my mood at time that I listen to it, or it
might be that I am searching for a specific mood. I guess I have to sort
it out...
How about everyone else? Later, J
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:02:19 +0100
From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Songs are not dated / Fans / Rantings...
Message-ID: <349EF17A.E24FE391@algonet.se>
Kevin:
>
> "JLMB" is not going to be relevant in five years. It barely is now.
> Its lyrical references are already dated.
Do you listen to DT for the lyrics? Do you listen to music for the lyrics?
You could say that AD's lyrical references are dated since there won't be
any stairs in five thousand years...
Besides, the lyrics are not necessarily there to carry a message. I see DT's
lyrics as something to accompany the music since (Zappa reference) in today's
musical indu$try you need some human voice in order for a song to be considered
by the media...
---- > From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> > > Seroussi: > > > After all, the word fan is a shortening of the word fanatic, why > > would anyone like to be a fanatic? > > Because it's fun to not always be in control :) Haven't you ever gone > bazonkers when your favorite sports team is playing against a team they > have no prayer of beating; and you're still out there cheering them on > and getting furious like a rabid dog when they screw up even though it > doesn't matter anyways? It's ok...it's fun :)yeah, we all love to change the meaning of sayings by taking them out of context...you could have quoted the sentence appearing before the statement where I clarified I don't understand why one would be a fan of artists; sports teams are ok.
I'm still awaiting rogerio's response to my original post, though.
---- > From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> > Subject: Merry Christmas
Why don't all the ~1000 subscribers to this list post their Merry Christmas to the list? Besides, being a jew, I find this phrase very offensive. ;)
Nah, I'm not in a bad mood...it's just that arash has a damn huge sig and he posts top 10 lists... (ok, I'll shut up now...)
---- > solows
solos, dammit! ;)
---- > Some snowball woman advised me to put something on the list.
I bet she also reminded you that we all love postings in html. ;)
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:05:05 -0500 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Commercial Chorus Lines; on sale! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971222230505.006b6eec@pop.pipeline.com>
>Catchy choruses make a song commercial? I thought so too before I heard >some power metal bands a few certain power metal bands <Rhapsody, G-Ray, >and Awake era DT to name a couple> These catchy choruses are what make >these my favorites... 100 miles from being commercial. Actually, what I've >heard on the radio is exactly the opposite. I haven't heard a catchy chorus >(though I've heard a bunch of poor ones) on the radio in 5 years. > >-Jeff Keifling
Yeah, but see, the choruses of groups like Gamma Ray, while they may be catchy *to us* are not catchy to the masses. What makes Gamma Ray, etc good is their use of melody in a heavy construction. Play a Gamma Ray cd to your average Joe, and see what happens. I doubt "catchy" is among the first, oh, say, 100 words he would use to describe it. Maybe what DT has done has made PERCEIVE their music as commercial, or what *I* know as commercial. I haven't listened to popular radio in at least five years, so maybe that's why what I see as a catchy chorus no longer is actually popular. Entirely possible. Doesn't mean I like it any better ;-)
Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat - Detroit Red Wings 13-3 20-9-7 vs ??? vs Boston Bruins
Kevin
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:16:03 -0700 From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com> To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>, Subject: Computer down Message-ID: <349EF4B3.B088B5F6@TransWestTaxi.com>
Pam and I will be offline for the next day or two. Windows 95 has decided it needs a vacation. I think the cure is Format "C".:-)(
-- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool </__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o for world peace O O "THE INTERNET" E-mail: cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com http://www.TransWestTaxi.com *******************************************
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:21:46 -0500 (EST) From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Commercial Message-ID: <199712222321.SAA19055@camel8.mindspring.com>
Kevin Madden: >Actually, I think "BMS" *is* commercial, albeit a not bad commercial. It is just >the type of safe heavy metal one hears on big city rock stations. "JLMB" is not >going to be relevant in five years. It barely is now. Its lyrical references are >already dated. When one refers to temporary pop phenomena, it is ultimately >dated.
Ummmmmm. I have to admit that Kevin might not be completely wrong. I think FII isn't aging all that well, in my oppinion... I was really into it in the beginning, but I think I was just craving for new DT. I still think it's a very good CD, so let's see if I will be listening to it 5 years from now like I still listen to I&W. I just think Kevin could have phrased it better. I don't think it was a sell-out album. The guys just wrote what they wanted to write - or what was the common thread between the five members. I wouldn't believe DT works in any other fashion.
Carlos Alfaro: >Is JP using any of the colored JPMS? Seems like in every pic I see, he >is using the b/w guitar... and since the 3rd(i think) version of the JPM >is b/w well I quickly dismissed my first thoughts that the pics were of >the 7 string on the awake ppv....
He used the colored 6-string in Tampa, and the black and white 7-string, which sounds better for leads IMO. I just wish they sold that exact 7-string JP uses :-) ____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\ \ /\ /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \_\/ \____ /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ \/ \ / / \ / / / / / / / / \ \ / / / / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ \/ / / \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\___\__/ / \__________________________________________/ "Kill her. That's all you have to do."
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:22:21 -0500 (EST) From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yet another Killer post! Message-ID: <199712222322.SAA09809@camel8.mindspring.com>
>>Just to vent real quick, I wish people would actually go through ALL the >>jams they've received before replying to something. > >Yeah, but sometimes if you've got a stack of jams there, it's tough to make >the call sometimes on whether a topic will be beaten to death by the time >you finish the last one. Plus, if *I* was to wait until the end, I'd forget >all the nasty comments I'd wanted to make in the first place. :) Think >about the amount of work to consolidate, take notes, make notes, form witty >replies, edit anything horribly out of date, etc. etc. etc......if I wanted >to do that much work - I'd get a second job. :)
One thing I learned the hard way - after making an ass out of myself in front of everybody - is that you have to read everything before you post. What I do is, I create the messages while I'm reading, but I don't hit the Send button until I'm all finished. How difficult is that? :-) It would avoid such bummer things as having to read that Genesis fan post more than once, if people would just read stuff before sending their own... It might be just me, but there's millions of people out there that don't like DT and I'm not interested in their oppinions...
Ivan-Assen Ivanov: >Well, I suggest Our List declares war on Their List :-) Make the bastards >pay tribute or something! Spam their list with MP3s of The Ytsejam!
Don't even say something like that. You know that there's people who would do it. I thought it was so hillarious when D-Man posted a joke about Neil Peart having cancer, and people took it seriously, and this one guy even said that Aids was the "gay cancer" and it just went on and on. It made me so sick. I can see people going on saying that Peart has Aids and he's sure because he read it in the jam... these same people would take your post seriously and start e-mailing mp3s to the Genesis list and making asses out of all of us.
Choon-Kang Walther: >Hi folks, >I apologize for putting this snowball up three times, was only ment to be >once, still working on the configurations of my mailingprogram.
The point is, even that one time would have been too much... that stuff has nothing to do with this list. Please don't post every joke you receive, it is even against the list rules.
Roger: > BTW, can you people tell me exactly (I mean time, CD position) >when Myung is playing the Stick on "New Millennium"?
I think he played it in the whole song, in the studio. Live, John played up to the last chorus, which was played with his normal fretted bass (I didn't even see him switch, must have been during some drum break or something).
This weekend I saw both the new James Bond movie and Titanic. The new Bond kicks all ass, a helluva movie, and Titanic really is one of the best movies ever. I love Jimbo Cameron, he always pulls it off, doesn't he... ____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\ \ /\ /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \_\/ \____ /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ \/ \ / / \ / / / / / / / / \ \ / / / / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ \/ / / \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\___\__/ / \__________________________________________/ "Kill her. That's all you have to do."
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:22:47 -0500 (EST) From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Recording Message-ID: <199712222322.SAA23587@camel8.mindspring.com>
My last post today, I swear!!!!
I have some studio experience, both as a musician and as a producer, but that doesn't mean I am right on what I'll say, it's just my oppinion since music and production are like any form of art, which is expression, and everybody will do it differently...
>>99% of bands that use double bass today use triggers on the bass drum. < > >This statement is 99% incorrect.
I worked with both pop and metal bands, and in both cases, triggered bass drums were used. In the case of the pop/religious band I co-produced, triggered snare was used also. Plus, in friends bands, bass drums were also triggered. I think this IS in fact used a lot, especially if you're on a budget like most indie bands or bands recording demos are. It's just so much easier to trigger it than to have to spend hours fine-tuning the microphones.
>Only bad drummers have a lazy left foot. Mike's drumming is "good" enough >to avoid having to trigger his bass drums because of a weak foot.
The bass drum on I&W IS triggered. Plus, I want you to say to Gene Hoglan's face that he has a lazy left foot. He'll just kick your ass :-) Triggers are not always a necessity, sometimes they are a choice.
>I'll give you that one. I would never want to trigger a snare drum.
Triggers have come a long way. I would say, "don't ever write anything off. In music, everything is possible, and the best choice is the one choice that fits the song best, whatever it is".
>>IMHO the fretless bass playing on FII is killer, I was wondering if JM >>plays a fretless at all in concert? > >What fretless bass?
It's also a Yamaha 6-string. Am I the only one that thinks JM makes the fretless sound kinda like a fretted bass? I thought the objective was to sound different :-)
____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\ \ /\ /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \_\/ \____ /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ \/ \ / / \ / / / / / / / / \ \ / / / / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ \/ / / \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\___\__/ / \__________________________________________/ "Kill her. That's all you have to do."
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:33:03 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3389 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971222223112.3682A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 22 Dec 1997, Htdmhd wrote:
> Does anybody have an exact release date for LTE?? John P. told me about it on
I'm sorry I don't know what LTE means.
> 10/17 in Providence. Also,does anyone know of the material on the x-mas disc? > I heard through the grapevine that there is a disc entitled "Instrumental II", > which supposedly has a demo version of ACOS.
Well, the version on "Instrumental II" is, as the name of the boot implies, absolutely instrumental. This bootleg also has a version of "Metropolis". :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:34:20 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: LATM Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971222223309.3682B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 22 Dec 1997, Edwin Voras wrote:
> Yes there is a difference in the 2 Live at the Marquee's. One has Surrounded > on it and the other has Another Day on it.
But I believe that this is the difference between the Japanese and the English/German versions of "Live at the Marquee", not between these last two.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:43:15 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Songs are not dated / Fans / Rantings... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971222223958.3682C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 22 Dec 1997, Seroussi wrote:
> I'm still awaiting rogerio's response to my original post, though.
I know you love me. :-)
> > solows > > solos, dammit! ;)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
After all, we have very similar personalities. :-) I'd say the same thing, but you said it earlier. :-)
[]s, Roger...
P.S.: Since you love my posts (c'mon, admit :-) ), I will reply, but I won't have the time to do it now (you may seem that my posts are much shorter than usual this last week, but they will return to the usual length after Christmas).
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:04:35 -0500 From: "George Szumski" <gsrockr@stratos.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fw: HOLIDAY PRESENT LIVE EVENT!!!! Message-ID: <01bd0f3e$bc0b7b60$d19a51d1@gsrockr.stratos.net>
Hey group! Perhaps we could bomb them with requests for some real music. Does the name Dream Theater ring a bell? Send any e-mail to requests@discjockey.com and lets see if we can get them to play a little Hollow Years or something.
Talk to you again one day soon, G. Best of the holidays to everyone!!!
-----Original Message----- ]From: Program Director <radio@discjockey.com> To: requests@discjockey.com <requests@discjockey.com> Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 4:20 PM Subject: HOLIDAY PRESENT LIVE EVENT!!!!
>Attention DiscJockey.Com Listener: > >DiscJockey.Com's NEXT LIVE event will be Tuesday December 23rd from 12 Noon >to 12 Midnight Eastern Time. It is called the DiscJockey.Com Holiday >Present. DiscJockey.Com's Holiday Present is celebrating the 4 major >holidays of the season: Christmas, Chanukah, Kwanzaa, and the Winter >Solstice. During DiscJockey.Com's Holiday Present, we will be giving our >listeners the "gift" of their songs that they have requested through >requests@discjockey.com and from our Survey Respondents. We will be >playing selections from the 1000's of requests we have received from around >the world!! > >Of course, we will be taking instant requests from people in our Chat Room, >and GIVING AWAY more great music. HOWEVER, you have to listen to WIN!!! > > >www.discjockey.com >MUSIC TO SURF BY >
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