YTSEJAM Digest 3396
Today's Topics:
1) DT's lyrics...
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
2) Re: Symphony X Request (NDTC)
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) Eastons
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
4) LASER'S EDGE
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
5) Angraween
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
6) Web Page
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
7) Re: Symphony X Request (NDTC)
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
8) Arkhe
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
9) Mixing down drums
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
10) FS: QR "HitNF" & Thought Industry "SfI" (NDTC)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
11) re: Angra/Jaxx
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
12) X-mas CD Question
by Gkras19 <Gkras19@aol.com>
13) Re: X-mas CD Question
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
14) Re: Angra/Jaxx
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
15) Mixing down drums.
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
16) YNM on the radio.
by ClPuritan <ClPuritan@aol.com>
17) YNM on the Radio
by ClPuritan <ClPuritan@aol.com>
18) 1997
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
19) CD Sale List
by Andy Garner <agarner@berrytaylor.demon.co.uk>
20) Merry Christmas; it's THAT time :)
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 23:05:38 +0100
From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT's lyrics...
Message-ID: <34A18732.6438B474@algonet.se>
> From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
>
> Seroussi:
> >Besides, the lyrics are not necessarily there to carry a message. I see DT's
> >lyrics as something to accompany the music since (Zappa reference) in today's
> >musical indu$try you need some human voice in order for a song to be considered
> >by the media...
>
> Man, this is complete bull. With the amount of thought that obviously goes
> into a lot of DT's lyrics, how can you say that? How can you listen to
> Scarred and not pay attention to the lyrics? Come one, some of us care.
what do you think was on DT's mind when they wrote metropolis, how they're gonna
focus on bringing through the story, or how they're gonna show off with the middle
section (no flames required, thank you very much ;)?
My point is, it seems like they don't put as much thought into the lyrics as they
put into the music; the focus of their songs is on the music, not on the message.
yes, the lyrics might be moving and thoughtful, but they're not the most important
thing about the song...
I remember a quotation saying that DT almost gave up on finding a vocalist when they
got james' audition tape...it doesn't seem to me like they were desperate to get
a vocalist and bring their lyrical message through...
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:26:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Symphony X Request (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.971224172358.16960A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
On Wed, 24 Dec 1997, MacAusland, Robert: HFX wrote:
> I've read a lot of posts on Symphony X and I'll have to admit my curiousity
> has been peaked. Before I plunk down my hard earned (by devalued :-)
> Canadian currency though, could someone tell me if there are any S' X MP3's
> out there that I could listen to as a preview?
I don't know about these guys. My friend lent me his tape of them and I
thought it was just your average prog band trying to have that DT/Fates
Warning feel. These guys try to hard and the end result is not very
original sounding. That's why I'm a bit wary these days of buying prog
before hearing it. I bought some prog CDs in the past (4 actually) where
I've been disappointed.
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:32:42 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Eastons
Message-ID: <85256577.007B5EC7.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>I have actually broken a set of these sticks... but I didn't take them up
on their offer to replace them.<<
I broke a pair also, sent them in for a replacement, and received a
different set instead. I sent 5A's to Easton, and the sent me 2B's in
return, with a note saying, that the 2B's are supposed to be a little
stronger. They forgot to mention that they feel about twice as heavy, and
that my replacement sleaves that came with the 5A's do not fit the 2B's.
Man I'm REALLY PISSED NOW. Merry X-Mas! :)
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:34:26 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LASER'S EDGE
Message-ID: <85256577.007B549D.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>Where are you lucky guys finding all this stuff? I'm lucky to find DT and
>>Shadow Gallery around here. :)
>>I'm looking for:
>>Spocks Beard
>>Symphony X
Take a look at the Laser's Edge Web Page at http://www.jersey.net/~lasercd/
They will send you a new updated catalog (I just got mine) which kicks @$$.
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:36:45 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Angraween
Message-ID: <85256577.007B4E45.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>I just recently got 2 Angra cds about a month ago. To me they dont sound
like DT at all but sound more similar to Helloween. Anyone else think
Angra is closer to Helloween then DT<<
I thought the same thing when I first heard them. But after listening to
them a little bit more, I now think that they sound even MORE like
Helloween.
I think that they are a very good band, but I don't know if I would call
them Progressive Metal. Maybe power metal or something like that.
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:39:28 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Web Page
Message-ID: <85256577.007C3CF3.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
Happy Holidays to all the Ytsejammers out there.
Charlie
Check out my web page at http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/towers/4404
and let me know what I can add to make it better. Be nice, it is only a
few days old.
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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 09:39:01 +1100
From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Symphony X Request (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199712242242.JAA02753@armstrong.apic.net>
okay, here's a couple of SX reveiws from their web page:
http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/wellerville/3/guybrush.html
SYMPHONY X "The Damnation Game"
Inside Out Music
Released back in 1995, with this album Symphony-X started to reveal the
colossal musical potential they possesed. One of the best
characteristics about this band is an incredible songwriting ability to
composite very well arranged songs with memorable melody lines and
refrains of great beauty. Compared to their latest release, also
reviewed in this issue, "The Damnation Game" offers the same clean
sound and excellent musicianship. Michael Romeo's guitars are without a
doubt the driving force for most songs, giving a well-conceived
heaviness and agressiveness. A semblance with a mix between a
progressive Malmsteen, Kansas, latest Savatage and Dream Theater could
be made to describe this very good album. Rusell Allen harmonic vocals
are simply brilliant. Lyrics, with high poetical content, is also an
aspect which has to be remarked. Cuts such as "The Edge Of Forever",
"The Haunting", "Winter's Dream or "Whispers" make one thinking about
Symphony X as one of the metal bands with a highest quality and some of
the most colorful power melodic music which can be found nowadays.
4 1/2
SYMPHONY X "The Divine Wings Of Tragedy"
Inside Out Music
This US technical metal band third and latest effort shows great
songwriting, good musicianship all around and some unique sounding
songs. There are excellent tracks like "Sea Of Lies" or "Of Sins And
Shadows" which would fit into the category of technical heavy metal a
la Stratovarius with a progressive touch on keyboards, while others
like the "The Witching Hour" and "Out Of The Ashes" have a pretty deep
neoclassical feel that might remind the listener a bit of Yngwie
Malmsteen, particulary on the chorus lines. The "magnus opus" of this
album is a twenty minutes-long impressive track which gives title to
the CD, featuring great choir arrangements and superb instrumental
guitar parts plenty of variation. Rusell Allen vocals are very solid,
with a really wide range. He's capable of singing with a strong sense
of melody and clean on memorable songs as "The Accolade" (my personal
favourite) or in the beautiful "Candleligth Fantasia" (close to
Savatage's Zack Stevens sometimes) and of sounding rawer and much more
agressive on tracks like "Pharaoh" or "The Eyes Of Medusa" for
instance. Highly recommended for lovers of technical metal and very
pulished and elaborated works.
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:40:57 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Arkhe
Message-ID: <85256577.007C7E88.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
Has anyone heard Arkhe? I have heard some good things about them, but I
thought that I should ask the experts first before purchasing their disc.
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:56:31 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mixing down drums
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971224145618.006bac20@cats.ucsc.edu>
Neat to hear all the mixing talk, since I'm about to venture towards that
territory. One possibly dumb question, tho: All this talk of weakening
the drumb by mixing down from 8 to 2 tracks is on (I assume) analog
sources, since digital is guaranteed not to lose quality when mixing down
tracks. Mostly asking since I'm getting the Akai 12-track digital recorder
soon and want to know this for recording our drummer for demo stuff.
(Yes! I'm in a real band at last! :)
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu
__\/__\/__ +----
\_||_/ | "Sometimes, your castles in the air, and the fantasies |
/__||__\ | you're seeking are the crosses you bear" |
// \ | \\ Dream Theater -- "Lines in the Sand" ----+
\| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 18:35:33 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FS: QR "HitNF" & Thought Industry "SfI" (NDTC)
Message-ID: <v01520d00b0c706bbdb06@[207.90.118.44]>
I have the following two CDs that I'm selling:
Queensryche "Hear in the Now Frontier"
Thought Industry "Songs for Insects"
$10 each, or $18 for both. Postage _included_.
email: dantemm@erinet.com if interested.
Thanks for the bandwidth,
Dan
---+ +---
Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com
Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!?
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
---+ +---
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 97 18:56:00 EST
From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
Subject: re: Angra/Jaxx
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+T,OcoA@tcx.tcco.com>
>From: Pat Daugherty
>Subject: Angra/Jaxx
>
>I just recently got 2 Angra cds about a month ago. To me
> they dont sound like DT at all but sound more similar to
>Helloween. Anyone else think Angra is closer to Hello-
>ween then DT
Definitely. I actually think they're a lot better than Helloween, which used
to be one of my favorites. Kai Hanson's involvement probably has a lot to do
with the similarity. Which two did you get? (I'm guessin' Holy Land and
Angels Cry). Reaching Horizons and Freedom Call are great EPs as well.
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 18:55:44 EST
From: Gkras19 <Gkras19@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: X-mas CD Question
Message-ID: <b854e39a.34a1a102@aol.com>
Does anybody know when we should be seeing the X-mas fanclub CD in the mail??
Has anybody gotten theirs yet? Does anybody know the release date??
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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 15:51:43 +1100
From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: X-mas CD Question
Message-ID: <199712250455.PAA14410@armstrong.apic.net>
> Does anybody know when we should be seeing the X-mas fanclub CD in the
mail??
> Has anybody gotten theirs yet? Does anybody know the release date??
As it is a fan club cd there is no 'official release', no I haven't got my
copy and I am pissed off about it and the fact the that us FC members
have not been informed about the delay, for the last two years the winter
edition of the fanzine has arrived before Christmas.
I don't think we can blame the busy period for mail either, yesterday i
received my Fish fanzine from Scotland, which took 6 days as opposed to the
normal
7 days.
graham
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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:04:06 +1100
From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Angra/Jaxx
Message-ID: <199712250507.QAA14721@armstrong.apic.net>
> Definitely. I actually think they're a lot better than Helloween, which
used
> to be one of my favorites. Kai Hanson's involvement probably has a lot
to do
> with the similarity. Which two did you get? (I'm guessin' Holy Land and
> Angels Cry). Reaching Horizons and Freedom Call are great EPs as well.
Both Angra albums were recorded at Kai's studio in Germany and Kai
appears on 'Never Understand' towards the end with a guitar solo.
I agree, when Helloween were great during the 'Keeper' era they ruled
I think that they were almost a 'progressive speed metal' band. When
Kai left the band died and IMO without him they were never the same
band. Angra I think have more talent and potential in them though.
graham
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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 00:16:19 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mixing down drums.
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971225001619.0079cd10@nh.ultranet.com>
Neat to hear all the mixing talk, since I'm about to venture towards that
territory. One possibly dumb question, tho: All this talk of weakening
the drumb by mixing down from 8 to 2 tracks is on (I assume) analog
sources, since digital is guaranteed not to lose quality when mixing down
tracks. Mostly asking since I'm getting the Akai 12-track digital recorder
soon and want to know this for recording our drummer for demo stuff.
That's not necessarily the case IMO, if you continue to break down the
tracks you can lose sound quality just like you can with analog. Make a
back up copy and try it out. Sometimes you can have luck, other times you
can't. With Digital you will have MUCH better luck with mixing it down,
not to mention you will have better luck fixing something that you doesn't
sound good. Later, J
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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 00:40:10 EST
From: ClPuritan <ClPuritan@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YNM on the radio.
Message-ID: <11745e61.34a1f1bc@aol.com>
Hey All,
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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 00:47:29 EST
From: ClPuritan <ClPuritan@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YNM on the Radio
Message-ID: <1bb4c286.34a1f373@aol.com>
Hey All,
About an hour ago I heard, YNM on WAAF out of Worcester MA. The DJ remarked
after the song that they had just played the new Dream Theater because of
audience request. A few months ago I had been emailing the station a lot and
requesting DT. I even recieved an email from a DJ stating that there was a
lot of new music out there and that they couldn't play everything. After
sending a response, I gave up my campaign. Well I guess some of us were
persistent, because now they are playing DT. Too bad they have to play YNM
instead of BMS, which is much better.
As far as the controversey over the relevance of JLMB. I think the fact that
the references to Kurt Cobain and Shannon Hoon will become dated and
meaningless illustrates the point of the song. People will be turning their
backs on Kurt Cobain and Shannon Hoon for something new. When people are
still listening to JLMB and they have no idea who KC and SH are, the songs
prophecy will have come true. Hopefully DT will endure and bands like
Nirvana and Blind Melon will be forgotten.
Merry Christmas,
Mark
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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 02:22:29 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 1997
Message-ID: <199712251022.CAA26584@gms.gmsnet.com>
Well, it's been a kick ass LIVE year... just some of the shows in
retrospect...
4 Fates shows
3 DT shows
2 Enchant shows
Marillion at the Coach House
2 Spock's Beard shows
ProgFest 97 with Arena, Spock's and others...
Tony MacAlpine
Eric Johnson
Prototype/Nevermore
2 Flotsam & Jetsam shows
2 Rush shows
Yes
Got to see Portnoy with Enchant and Fates in Fremont...
Hopefully 98 will bring us MORE LIVE PROG!!!!!
:)
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 10:39:14 +0000 From: Andy Garner <agarner@berrytaylor.demon.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD Sale List Message-ID: <i7ScxHASfjo0Ew$H@berrytaylor.demon.co.uk>
Hi Folks
I have the following CD's to sell. They belonged to my closest friend who was killed in an accident recently. Please take time to browse through the list and contact me privately if there is anything you are interested in.
Prices are 8 pounds UK and $12 US, both including postage.
Thanks
Anglagard - Buried Alive Berry, Robert - Pilgrimage To A Point Body - The Body Album Camel - Mirage Camel - Nude Carnival Of Thieves - Welcome To The Carnival Catley, Mark & Geoff Mann - Off The End Of The Pier Show Different Trains - Goodbye to the Age of Steam Dizrythmia - Same Earthstone - Seed Electronic Orange - Orange Communication ELP - Tarkus ELP - ELP ELP - Pictures at an Exhibition ELP - Love Beach ELP - Works Vol 1 (2CD) Enchant - A Blueprint of the World Fyreworks, The - Same Hackett, Steve - Time Lapse Iron Clowns - Colour Of Danger Jakko - Kingdom Of Dust Jeremy - Pilgrim's Journey Journey - Departure Kilbey, Steve - Earthed Kimara - One Reality Lands End - Pacific Coast Highway Lands End - An Older Land Kansas - Greatest Hits Geoff Mann with The Bond - Peace Offering MKII - Burning Daylight Moom - Toot Niadems Ghost - In Sheltered Winds No Man - Loveblows & Lovecries No Man - Heaven Taste No Man - Flowermix No Man - Wild Opera No Man - Dry Cleaning Ray No Name - The Secret Garden Omega - Gammapolis Ravana - Common Daze Saga - The Security Of Illusion Saunders, Lee - Promise Of Peace Tea For The Wicked - Out To Lunch Threshold = Livedelica Timelock - The Dawn Various - Third Cyclops Sampler (exclusive tracks) Wakeman with Wakeman The Official Bootleg Wetton, John - Battle Lines Wetton, John - Akustica Ziff - Stories
-- Andy Garner
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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 02:59:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Merry Christmas; it's THAT time :) Message-ID: <199712251059.AA18674@crl.crl.com>
Just dropping the usual end-of-year holiday greeting to my friends on the Jam, and a thanks to all of you who have helped to make 1997 a good year for me. As others have said several times, the enrichment gained from being here, learning about other great bands besides DT, and meeting new friends at shows makes it all worthwhile -- even though sometimes the Ytsejam can be pretty crappy. :)
It's.....well, gee, how 'bout that, it's about 6:00 on a Christmas morning. :) Hope 1998 is a great year for all of us, and (mostly for us Americans) I hope Mr. Hankey thr Christmas Poo brings you everything you wanted for Christmas. :)
What, you thought I'd go to bed before 6:00 am? Not on Christmas morning, but then again, I have no life. :)
-- +-- I know it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye.... ---+ | I would raise a shelter to the sky... (Dream Theater, | | And here beneath this star tonight I lie.... "Surrounded") | +- Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com www.crl.com/~vanyel ICQ 4151223 +
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